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Am I Saved By Belief

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but how do I know if I believe enough to be saved?

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Richard, the word is a double edged sword.

REVELATION 22:18 ----prophecy of this book,IF any man shall ADD unto these thing,GOD shall add unto him the plagues----

Are you really gonna tell me that Calvinist dont change scripture?

For God so loved the world.... (nah lets go with us , the Elect)

That he might taste death for every man ... (well not EVERY man, just us, the chosen)

The sins of the whole world ... (hmmm well it must mean all of us, the ELECT world, not the entire world)

Careful that sword doesnt cut you when you try to use it on me.
---JackB on 8/11/10


What's the difference between faith by works and the works Paul wrote about. Homer on 8/11/10

Homer
The difference is found in what God told Abraham to do, and what he told The Children of Abraham what NOT TO DO.
If you do not kill, lie or steal, must you do anything to keep these commandments?
If you kept these commandments, would they create a Faith in God like Abraham's?
Notice it was that which God gave Abraham to do, which created his Faith in God.

Thus the meaning of the following verse:
(James 2:17-18)
"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works".
---David on 8/12/10


Jack B, He is long suffering, which means that God has an immense capacity for patience before He breaks forth in Judgment (v. 15, Joel 2:13, Luke 15:20, Rom. 9:22). God endures endless blasphemies against His name, along with rebellion, murders, and the ongoing breaking of His law, waiting patiently while He is calling and redeeming His own. It is not impotence or slackness that delays final judgment, it is patience, not willing that any of His own perish. You have to see things through God's perspective, His eyes, you are seeing things through the eyes of man, that is why your vision is blur.
---MarkV. on 8/12/10


If those in 2 Peter 3:9 are predestined by God to salvation before they have left the womb (having done neither evil or good) then theres no chance they will perish anyway! Gods total sovereignty wouldnt allow that right? (Perseverance of the Saints)

These men also CANT reject Gods call according to TULIP. (Irresistable Grace)

So then why is God LONGSUFFERING towards them, Mark?

The saved sinner is HIDDEN in Christ. We are DEAD to the Law (crucified with Christ) and we now are alive by the Spirit of Christ (because He is risen) Is God longsuffering towards Christ now? The way you twist the scripture it makes no sense.
---JackB on 8/11/10


"Seek and ye shall find."

Either you believe his word or you don't.
It's that simple.
---larry on 8/11/10




JACK-B YOU have to take in account the WHOLE BIBLE and what it says,and election is part of Bible.
REVELATION 22:18 ----prophecy of this book,IF any man shall ADD unto these thing,GOD shall add unto him the plagues----
REVELATION 22:19 AND If any man TAKE AWAY from the words of this book of prophecy.GOD shall take away his part out of the book of life.
HOMER -IT does get confusing.Were sitting in a day of Falling away ( false Gospels )which makes it even harder - 2 THESSALONIAN 2:3,
FOR me if any one says I have to do anything to get myself save I wouldn't walk, I would Run away from that.
---RICHARD on 8/11/10


Do not only be hearers of the word, but doers. It is written that faith without works is dead faith.
---Steveng on 8/11/10


But you cannot tell whether they will rebel against God and what they will do when they grow up\

It almost sounds like youre saying they have free will.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it

NOT at all what predestination/election (according to Calvin/Augustine) teaches. If God has preselected who will go to Heaven and who will go to Hell before we are even born, then it does NOT matter what we teach our children! Nor does it matter what we as Christians do! And that my friend is NOT at all what scripture teaches us.

Did you ever read up on Augustine, Mark?
You think he got all his beliefs from the Bible?
---Jackb on 8/11/10


The New Covenant is made with those who live by Faith in Jesus Christ and not by works.
---David on 8/11/10

David, for the first time, I actually enjoyed reading Romans. Thankyou for your explaination. After reading Romans I have one more question if you don't mind. What's the difference between faith by works and the works Paul wrote about."Not by works but by faith"
---Homer on 8/11/10


Jack B, I believe it was not God speaking to you, you were listening to your own voice. God makes no mistakes with His Word. You gave Rom.10:5-13 "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart' that is the word of faith which we preach."
The Word of faith is the way of God, The Word of God, the Gospel of Christ. Deut. 30:11-14 clearly says that the message of salvation is plain if they only would hear. So it is in Romans. That is the message of the gospel. If they have eyes to see and ears to hear the Word of faith, they will accept the Word as Truth and believe.
Next you again gave 2 Peter 3:9, God says He keeps His promise. And is not willing that any of us,(believers) and the elect should parish.
---MarkV. on 8/11/10




How do you explain Paul's teaching on works with what you believe?
---Homer on 8/10/10

When Paul wrote about the Law/works, it was directed at the Jewish believer, those who were under the Law.
How do I know this?
Homer, the Gentiles were NEVER under the Law.

In Romans, Paul was giving the Jews a comparison between the covenant God made with Abraham and the one that God made with Moses and the descendants of Abraham.

God made a covenant with Abraham, because Abraham lived by Faith in God.
Gods covenant was made with the children of Abraham, only because of the promise he made to Abraham (Genesis 17:7).
The New Covenant is made with those who live by Faith in Jesus Christ and not by works.
---David on 8/11/10


***Read (Matthew 7:21)
Homer, when if you have Faith in someone, if you believe in them, you will do what they tell you to do.
---David on 8/10/10***

Okay David, point well taken. You don't leave a guy much room for argument when you quote Jesus all the time.If I disagree then you cause me to disagree with Jesus.Very clever!
I can see what you are saying, but how do you explain Paul's teaching on works with what you believe?
---Homer on 8/10/10


Mark go back to previous arguments about how I believe God knows all things. I dont intend to argue that again.

You keep contradicting your own beliefs (TULIP) and you dont even see it. 2 Peter 3:9 is only the saved? Wait then theres a chance the "saved" will "perish" as this verse says?

If God calls predestined men and that call cannot be rejected by man then it matters not what sin or what good we do in this world. Repentance from sin is no longer needed because it wasnt our good or bad that made God choose us.

Let us do evil that good may come? Sound familiar? Nope the Bible says those people who think this way are justly damned!
---JackB on 8/10/10


There also is one other matter that the Lord showed me last night in scripture. I find the timing of this simply amazing.

Romans 10:5-13 makes reference to scripture in Deuteronomy 30:11-14.

There is something very significant here because it shows us that just as man had the ability to follow the 10 commandments, so also does man have the ability to show faith.

Deut 30:14 and Romans 10:8 BOTH tell us that it is in our mouth and heart. Its not something supernatural that comes from outside of us.

God does increase our faith however after we receive Christ. He also gives us different gifts when the Holy Spirit comes to live in us.

The faith OF Christ saves us when we exercise our faith IN Christ (Gal 3:16)
---JackB on 8/10/10


Mary, there is not enough room to answer what you put together to proof your point, but I can answer a few for you. John 16:8 has two meaning that the Holy Spirit does when convicting the world of sin. First, the word "convict" This word has to meanings
1. is the judicial act of conviction with a view toward sentencing ( a court room term, conviction of sin).
2. is the act of convincing. Here the second idea is best, since the purpose of the Holy Spirit is not condemnation but conviction of the need for the Savior. The singular word "sin" indicates that a specific sin is in view, that of not believing in Jesus as Messiah and Son of God. This is the only sin, ultimately, that damns people to hell (8:24).
---MarkV. on 8/10/10


Mary 2: "Righteousness" Here the Holy Spirit's purpose is to shatter the pretensions of self-righteousness (hypocrisy). Exposing the darkness of the heart (3:19-21, 7:7, 15:22, 24). While jesus was on the earth, He performed this task especially toward the shallowness and emptiness of Judaism. With Jesus gone to the Father, the Holy Spirit continues His convicting role.
"Judgment" The judgment here in the context is that of the world under Satan's control. Its judgments are blind, faulty, and evil as evidence in their virdict on Christ. So the Spirit convicts men of their false judgment of Christ. While Christ death looked like Satan's victory, it actually was Satan's destruction (Col. 2:15, Heb. 2:14).
---MarkV. on 8/10/10


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Why do you say that this is faith when it was clearly works?---Homer on 8/9/10

(Hebrews 11:17-19)
God made Abraham a promise, that his descendants would come from his son Isaac.
Abraham knew that if he killed Isaac, in order for God to keep this promise, God would have to bring Isaac back to life.

In (Genesis 12:11-12) Abraham didn't even trust God with his own life, but in the end, Abraham ended up trusting God with the life of his only Son Isaac.
That took a great deal of faith, and you can clearly see by Abraham's example that his trust in God was not instant.

Read (Matthew 7:21)
Homer, when if you have Faith in someone, if you believe in them, you will do what they tell you to do.
---David on 8/10/10


" John 16:8-10

And when he (The Comforter) is come he will reprove the world of sin and of righteousness and of judgment

Of sin because they believe not on me

Of righteousness because I go to my Father and ye see me no more

Of judgment because the prince of this world is judged

WORLD (kosmos): adorning, world

The same word used in John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2

Can it be any more clear that God thru the Holy Ghost convicts everyone and waits patiently for a response?
---JackB on 8/9/10"

Exactly what I was implying when I responded the way I did. This doesn't mean no man will resist, but it for sure means all will be convicted.
---Mary on 8/9/10


Jack B, you gave 2 Tim. 1:4, and it says nothing of the Holy Ghost, then you said,
" and that no man perish but all come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). This does not apply only to the elect. Heres why."
The context of 2 Peter 3:9 is talking about those already saved (us) verse 9, "the beloveth," the one's he is writing to, but also talking about the Elect. Been elect does not mean they are saved yet. In fact many have not even been born. He will grant them repentance, by convicting them of sin, and also change their hearts of stone, and they will get on their knees and accept the sacrifice of Christ for their sins by faith. The Spirit never fails. "Lost man love darkness rather then light."
---MarkV. on 8/9/10


Jack B, 2: you also said,
God allowed satan to cause great pain to Job (but NOT take his life) because they were in a dispute over Jobs faithfulness."
God is Omniscient, who knows all things, why would God want to know if Job had faith? He didn't know you suggest? God does not have to prove anything to anyone, He is God. You need to read the attributes, character, and nature of God first in order to answer correctly. From where you are coming from the god you believe in knows nothing, cannot do anything, and is defeated by man. And begs for your mercy on him by been so kind and chosing him if you want. That is your god. A man just like you.
---MarkV. on 8/9/10


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Yes, I agree. And if it is God's will that none should perish but that all would come to repentance, then none shall perish and all will come to repentance, because God's will always triumphs.
---ger.toshav on 8/9/10


You have your belief, now DO your belief.

Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," "comfort," and "encourag" because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational "churches."
---Steveng on 8/9/10


John 16:8-10

And when he (The Comforter) is come he will reprove the world of sin and of righteousness and of judgment

Of sin because they believe not on me

Of righteousness because I go to my Father and ye see me no more

Of judgment because the prince of this world is judged


WORLD (kosmos): adorning, world

The same word used in John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2

Can it be any more clear that God thru the Holy Ghost convicts everyone and waits patiently for a response?
---JackB on 8/9/10


Men resist the Holy Ghost. Men have ALWAYS resisted Gods will.

Unless youre suggesting that God forced us into sin so that He could punish us in everlasting fire. Is that LOVE?

If you still think God doesnt allow supplication thru prayer to alter SOME of his plans then you havent read how God added 15 years to Hezekiah's life because of a tearful prayer to the Lord asking Him to remember Hezekiah's faithfulness.

God allowed satan to cause great pain to Job (but NOT take his life) because they were in a dispute over Jobs faithfulness.

Our God is all-powerful, but He is also meek and lowly. Being meek doesnt make Him weak! It makes Him more worthy of our praise. His tender mercies are over ALL his works.
---JackB on 8/9/10


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If it is God's will that none should perish but that all would come to repentance and the Holy Ghost is the one who administrates the will of God, then surely He does His job completely and makes sure every unbeliever has been convicted of unbelief and every believer is convicted of righteousness. I just don't see the Holy Ghost failing in the job He was sent to do. He is one with God.
---Mary on 8/9/10


Oh, this is a good question. I didn't really believe until after Jesus saved me. That is when this belief thing really kicks in, my friends.
---catherine on 8/9/10


The Spirit does not convict every single individual of sin, only those that God wants to grant repentance to- MarkV

Scripture, Mark. Otherwise thats opinion.

The Holy Ghost has already said that it is Gods will that all men come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved (2 Tim 1:4) and that no man perish but all come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). This does not apply only to the elect. Heres why.

God is patiently waiting for his "elect" to come to repentance? You just said they CANT repent unless He grants it! They are "dead" just like everyone else! And once God offers grace they cannot resist it! So what is God waiting on? Himself? Or maybe for THEM to repent because He has already called.
---JackB on 8/9/10


There's a difference between

"Believe that" which is beleiving that God exists, that Jesus lived.

and

"Believe in" which means trusting in Jesus' offer of the gift of salvation, and actually accepting that gift
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/9/10


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jerry......"JIM: "The devils also believe and tremble" is a quote from the Bible. Are you arguing against the Bible?

two different types of belief. Come on jerry..Do the demons have belief for their salvation?? ....i don't think so.
---JIM on 8/9/10


Jack B, your bias against God granting you the ability to repent, and come to know the Truth is keeping you from seeing the whole picture. The Spirit does not convict every single individual of sin, only those that God wants to grant repentance to. For repentance comes from God just like faith to believe in Christ does.
"...God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" 2 Tim. 2:25,26).

"For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you sould not only believe in Him but also suffer for His sake" (Phil. 1:29).
---MarkV. on 8/9/10


Heb 11:17-19 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten [son], Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God [was] able to raise [him] up, even from the dead, from whence also he received him in a figure.
Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
Heb 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
-His faith in God's promises caused him to act in obedience.
---micha9344 on 8/9/10


***Now in (Genesis 21), God commands Abraham to kill his only son Isaac, Abraham in complete obedience to God, prepares to do as God commands.
This took Great Faith on the part Abraham, and shows just how much his faith in God had grown. ---David on 8/8/10***

David this is not an example of faith.
This is obedience. God commanded Abraham and he did it. Why do you say that this is faith when was clearly works?
---Homer on 8/9/10


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MarkV: "The only way an unbeliever will believe that he is evil sinner is for the Holy Spirit to convict him of sin."

AMEN!
---jerry6593 on 8/9/10


One Lord one faith & one baptism.
Lord God - Lord Jesus, One Lord.
One faith - One Church faith, Acts 2 v 38 The same as The Early Church.
One Water baptism & One Holy Ghost baptism.

If you deny one you just as well deny it All.
---Lawrence on 8/8/10


Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
-When did the apostles get water baptized?
-Did they need to especially with the word 'but' and Acts 1:5?
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
-What? Receive the Holy Ghost before being baptized with water? As if it wasn't necessary?
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
-Which baptism is the one? Water or the Holy Spirit?
---micha9344 on 8/8/10


micha
It don't take me long to see why the Man - made trin relig - org's churches beginning with the rcc & her daughters churches Are from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 14, the apostate churches. 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 has Man - made salvation plans & churches.
They take faith & believe scriptures & make salvation doctrines out of them. I thank God it's Not so. They use such scriptures to do this here, John 10 v 1, trying to Steal their way into heaven.

Surprise, it will Not happen.

There Is only One God, He has Only One salvation plan Acts 2 v 38, with One Church.
---Lawrence on 8/8/10


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Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Read John and believe.---Read 1 John and know.
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him.
Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do [his commandments]: his praise endureth for ever.
Gain wisdom, understanding, and discernment.
---micha9344 on 8/7/10


Homer, do you remember when Jesus talked about the mustard seed?

Well, he says if we have even faith the size of a mustard seed in HIM, we can say to the mountain be moved and it will be.

So, if you have even that little bit of faith, and you are following after Christ(picking up your cross), you are saved.
---miche3754 on 8/8/10


Homer
Read the Story of Abram/Abraham (Genesis 12-25)
When you read the story, notice that Abraham's faith in God was greater toward the end of his life, than it was at the beginning.
In (Genesis 12:1-3) God tells Abraham to leave his homeland, and if he does, God will Bless him.
Abraham believed God and he left his homeland, but..how great was Abrahams Faith at that time?
If go down a few verses to (12:11-12) you can see that Abrahams Faith in God was weak during this period of his life.

Now in (Genesis 21), God commands Abraham to kill his only son Isaac, Abraham in complete obedience to God, prepares to do as God commands.
This took Great Faith on the part Abraham, and shows just how much his faith in God had grown.
---David on 8/8/10


The only way an unbeliever will believe that he is evil sinner is for the Holy Spirit to convict him of sin. Otherwise he will never believe he is a sinner or for matter, that he is heading to hell - MarkV

No disagreement there.

And since God is willing that all men come to repentance and be saved, He convicts all men of their sin.

Unfortunately not all men respond that way God desires them to.

2 Peter 2:20-22
---JackB on 8/8/10


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Homer put the word of Jesus Christ into practice, and then you will know the Truth.
---David on 8/7/10

I think I am already doing this. David what am I missing?
Also I enjoyed your posts.
---Homer on 8/7/10


Jack B believes,
"I dont believe its that simple.
I believe a man must first agree with God that we are evil sinners and deserve Hell."

The only way an unbeliever will believe that he is evil sinner is for the Holy Spirit to convict him of sin. Otherwise he will never believe he is a sinner or for matter, that he is heading to hell.
---MarkV. on 8/7/10


Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 19:17 but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,
---francis on 8/7/10


conviction by the spirit,in others words repenting to God. jesus said he is the only way,belief in who he is ,what he did,and repenting ,and calling on him is what is required.
---tom2 on 8/7/10


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JIM: "The devils also believe and tremble" is a quote from the Bible. Are you arguing against the Bible?
---jerry6593 on 8/7/10


So many different beliefs, I just don't know what to do.
Should I try them all?
---Homer on 8/5/10

Doctrines are nothing but words, lest those words are put into practice.
How will you know which doctrine is the Truth, unless you test those doctrines.
Even Jesus Christ's word is without Power, unless his words are put into Practice.

(Matthew 7:24 & 26)
"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand."

Homer put the word of Jesus Christ into practice, and then you will know the Truth.
---David on 8/7/10


***Belief is a work that we do, and we can't be save by any of our own works
---RICHARD on 8/6/10***

Richard this is where I get so confused about the teachings in my church. They also teach that our works has nothing to do with me being saved. Can I be saved if I do not repent? Before I was baptized I was told if I wanted to be saved I needed to repent and be baptized then after I was saved I was told that I didn't need to do anything to be saved. Can you see why I am so confused?
---Homer on 8/7/10


Belief is a work that we do, and we can't be save by any of our own works
After one becomes save, they do good works like believing
JAMES 2:20 For as the body without.the spirit is dead,so faith without works is dead.
---RICHARD on 8/6/10


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I dont believe its that simple.

I believe a man must first agree with God that we are evil sinners and deserve Hell.

Then we must believe in his love for us and his willingness to forgive us in Christ if we seek His mercy and grace.

Repentance doesnt mean perfection, but it does mean a willingness to allow God to change our heart about the way we live our lives. And a man must repent.

Accepting Gods gift of eternal life and thinking we can sin our lives away because we are safe now is called "mocking God" and its something scripture says we will not get away with.

But rest assured that as long as our hearts stay repentant, the Lord will never give up on us. Remember the prodigal son.
---JackB on 8/6/10


keep reading , pray and obey what he says - you,ll know
---lolita on 8/6/10


Homer
Jesus said to build your house upon the Rock.
What is your house, and what is the Rock?
The House that Jesus refers to is your relationship with God, and the Rock, is the TRUTH.

A relationship built on truth develops into a strong relationship that will weather the worst of storms.
A relationship that is not built on Truth, will not last, whether it be with God or Man.
Build you relationship with God, on the Truth, on that which was taught by Jesus Christ.

Your Trust in the Lord will develop through that relationship.
---David on 8/6/10


All the answers that I have seen here are about the same.

We are saved by Grace so your belief is sufficent so save you.

We are then to live in Love to GOD and others. That is the result of being saved.

So trust and love GOD results in doing right not perfect. JESUS died for our sins. Love GOD and follow Him.
---Samuel on 8/6/10


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come on now jerry. The devils also believe.
Do the devils believe that Christ died for their sins and that through Him and Him alone they can obtain eternal life.....Please...
That is what our belief is in. Christ died for us humans...not devils.....
Please do not muddy up the fact that salvation is absolutely free to those who put there faith in Christ.
---JIM on 8/6/10


Cluny:

That's right. And right along with it:
1 John 4:18
"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

(And even the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is covered by the friendly words "Don't Panic!" :)
---StrongAxe on 8/6/10


\\If Jesus were to come today, would he take you?
It scares me all the time and with do many different beliefs, I just don't know what to do.\\

There's a refrain that runs through all the Gospels:

Fear not!

These or similar words (such as, "Don't be afraid") frequently fall from Christ's lips.
---Cluny on 8/5/10


It would seem, according to the Apostle Paul anyway, that there is nothing at all to do to gain salvation (Rom.5:18, 1.Tim.4:10), but that in order to inherit the Kingdom of God, there are requirements for our behavior (Gal.5:19-21).
---ger.toshav on 8/5/10


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-- Homer :

Brother, The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we are the Saved Children of God. Rom.8:16
---Shawn.M.T. on 8/6/10


Homer
The key to your answer is in the word "Trust".
When you are in a relationship with someone, do you Trust that person in an instant?
No, trust is something that must be developed in relationship.

Peter also claimed to believe that Jesus was the Son of God, and he denied Jesus 3x's.
At the time of those denials, Peter, who was witness to many of the Miracles of Christ, obviously did not have enough belief.
But, I am told that Peter eventually gave his life for for his belief in Christ.

Trust in the Lord is not "Instant" Homer, it is a developed relationship, that when developed will bring you the same trust in the Lord Peter came to know.




---David on 8/6/10


Jim
Yes salvation is a gift. The devil has obstacles in the way, & then you have to here. Luke 16 v 16.
And then there is still obstacles from then on. Matt.24 v 13.
---Lawrence on 8/6/10


Homer: No, belief is not enough for salvation. (Jas 2:19 the devils also believe, and tremble.) It's not over 'til it's over. You're not saved 'til you're saved - 'til Jesus comes to take you to heaven.

Your question should not be "do I believe enough to be saved", but rather "do I believe enough to obey and follow Jesus wherever He leads?" He'll give you all the power (grace) you need to get there. Trust in Him only.
---jerry6593 on 8/6/10


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Lawrence....you are adding things on top of what Christ has already accomplished for you. If you have to do work to obtain the gift, than it is not a gift. The work comes from receiving the gift, not to get it.
---JIM on 8/5/10


\\Being baptized Is a work,\\

If you baptized yourself, it might be a work.

But you don't baptize yourself, now do you?

However, isn't the act of saving faith itself a good work? YOU are the one who has to do the believing.
---Cluny on 8/5/10


In order to answer this question is look at Acts 8:37-38 "37-And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38-And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him."

The eunuch said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God" and to Philip this thing unqualified the eunuch to be baptized. Simple believe qualifies one for heaven.
---mima on 8/5/10


Thankyou for all your answers and your help.
So many different answers that it is very hard to decide on who is right and who is wrong. I have been baptized and confessed my sin and still there is this nagging question I heard a preacher once ask,
If Jesus were to come today, would he take you?
It scares me all the time and with do many different beliefs, I just don't know what to do.
Should I try them all?
---Homer on 8/5/10


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The thief on the cross next to Jesus was saved through his belief. It was the same for all Christians. We are saved by grace.

Unlike the thief, many believers live for years after being saved and no doubt do wrong things along the way, but they are not lost if they continue to look to Jesus for their salvation.

Some however reject God's salvation by turning back to works claiming that salvation is lost if you slip up once to often. This is one of the biggest hurdles to belief. As Galatians 3 says "Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh?"
---Haz27 on 8/5/10


Jim,
that is why I told them to 1rst confess Jesus is Lord, THEN baptisim. Jesus told nicodemus when he asked him how we can be born again Jesus said "unless one is born from water & the spirit you can't enter God's kingdom." So you see baptisim should be done.
---candice on 8/5/10


Yes Donna you are correct. First we are saved by Grace from GOD. Our belief or trust in GOD is the way that Grace saves us.

But Grace saves us from Living in sin. Think of it as a marriage. You love your spouse. So you do not want to run around on him or her. You want to make them happy and love your spouse family.

GOD condemns fornication which is sleeping around as an action of an unsaved person. Look the word up in the Bible. We are saved to follow GOD in which what we please is in line with loving GOD and His will. We are to aim to live in perfect love even while knowing we are not prefect.
---Samuel on 8/5/10


Donna....you can do nothing outside of Christ that will achieve salvation. The works we do after we are saved are what we will be judged on when we stand in front of the Lord Jesus Christ, not the works done when we were unbelievers. Salvation is a free gift. Free to who all will put their faith in Jesus alone.
---JIM on 8/5/10


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Jim
Godly Works Is a part of obtaining salvation.
Being baptized Is a work, going to Church services Is a work, Bible reading & praying with some fasting Is a work, witnessing Is a work, even staying from the devil & his worldly pleasures Is a work, Matt.24 v 13 Is a work.
You won't get to heaven without it.

The devils salvation plans easy believism, no works salvation, the sinners prayer etc Are All lies & came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 8/5/10


Lawrence....works do not get you salvation. Works are done because of salvation.
---JIM on 8/5/10


I'm wondering the same thing. Even if we confess Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah, and believe upon Him, don't we have to live a life of 1) Obeying God's word and forgiving those who have wronged us? 2) stop sinning, i.e., if we're living with someone we're not married to, don't we have to "turn away/repent" from that sin?

Don't we have to do God's will to be saved? or just say that we believe Jesus is the Son of God, and that's it? I'm asking because I want to learn - I have a friend at work who sleeps with every man she meets (and I mean they are many) and she wrote to me last week and said, "What are you talking about? I'm going to heaven. Yet she's deep into living her life by Astrology and Astrology ONLY.
---Donna5535 on 8/5/10


Candice...baptisim has nothing to do with the act of being saved. You see Candice, the moment you believe(put your faith in) Christ...it's at that monent that you are saved.
---JIM on 8/5/10


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Hi, Homer . . . we need belief that is with trusting and obeying, and how we believe that the way Jesus loves and lived is right and therefore we are seeking to live this way, too.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/5/10


All you have to do is confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, then get baptized. that's it. It is by Gods grace we are saved. There are no hoops to jump through, & if anyone offers these so called hoops, they are in the wrong. We need to live our lives daily in scripture & not by wordly influences.
---Candice on 8/5/10


Faith to believe is a start, then there's Godly Works, James 2 v 20 ( Vain man represents those that thinks works has nothing to do with salvation. ) Godly Works, Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20. Living a clean & Holy life before God. Matt.24 v 13.

Stay away from the devil & his worldly pleasures, 1st.John 2 v's 15 - 16.
---Lawrence on 8/5/10


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