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"Why do you attack a dead woman so? Have you ever read any of Ellen White's works? What are you afraid of? That you'll become a SDA when you know the truth?" (jerry6593)

This is rather strange coming from one who in the past have attacked the Early Church Fathers because they didn't agree with your religion. Why are you defensive when it comes to Ellen G. White? Your religion is just like Catholicism except you follow a women as your infallible leader.

Why can't you admit that your female prophetess was a false prophetess? Cluny provided proof. But in your religion, her writings are infallible & authoritative witness. Just like Mormons and their BOM.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/27/10


Trav, I suppose you go to great troubles to find something wrong with what I say.
"Foreknowledge does not make future acts certain but only assumes them to be so, and it is a contradictions of terms to say that God foreknows as certain an event which in its very nature is uncertain" --- MarkV on 12/25/09"

Actually no trouble at all.
Christ Glory is in no danger...from scriptural witnesses. Opinions unwitnessed maybe.
Fore= pre....Knowledge=something that is known.
GOD knows, prophets prove it. GOD does not assume. GOD does not have any contradictions. Reason two or more of his witnesses testify the same thing. Then you have some context amigo.
---Trav on 8/27/10


Once upon a time I had a conversation with an SDA gentleman and shared with him a few things from Orthodox history.

He was very surprised at what I said. "If what you are saying is true, what does that do to the Adventist interpretation of Bible prophecy?"

I replied, "You said it, I didn't. You can verify what I'm saying in SECULAR encyclopedias. If what I'm saying is true, are you willing to re-evaluate [note I did not say abandon] the Adventist interpretation of Bible prophecy?"

He said, "No."

Don't confuse him with facts, his mind is made up.
---Cluny on 8/27/10


\\All you do is bear false witness!\\

What did I say that was false? I have quoted her as exactly as memory serves.

\\Ancient Rome has always been known as the city of 7 hills. Only you Catholics believe that it was nine.\\

As I've told you, I'm ORTHODOX, not Roman Catholic.

But you're just like Catholics with a dead female infallible popess.

\\ Have you ever read any of Ellen White's works? What are you afraid of? That you'll become a SDA when you know the truth?\\

I wouldn't be quoting EGW if I had not read her writings.

I've studied SDA, and it's a tissue of contradictions and inconsistencies.
---Cluny on 8/27/10


cluny: "All you do is engage in ad hominem arguments."

All you do is bear false witness!

Ancient Rome has always been known as the city of 7 hills. Only you Catholics believe that it was nine.

Why do you attack a dead woman so? Have you ever read any of Ellen White's works? What are you afraid of? That you'll become a SDA when you know the truth?

Do you believe that the seventh-day Sabbath is the biblical Lord's Day (Mat 12:8), or do you believe that the Catholic Church has the power to institute Sunday as the Lord's Day?
---jerry6593 on 8/27/10




I fail to see you last point about an urgent call in the last days. In today's society, you can hardly tell who is christians.

There are too many warning about the last days and times of the end to be posted.
But in the days of judaism, God people were clearly known as God's people. Today, there are so many perversions of the gospel, it is hard for some to tell who are God's people and who are not.

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

SDA maintain the sign of Gods people
---francis on 8/27/10


"In times past God instructed people through apostles and prophets. These days He uses the testimonies of his spirit. [i.e., the ravings of EGW] There has never been a time that God instructed His people more earnestly in the path He would have them follow what He would have them do."

In other words, in the ravings of EGW, God instructs people more earnestly than in the pages of the Bible itself.

THIS is what she is claiming.

Do you see another meaning? I don't.

(Francis, the Saturday Sabbath is not the issue here, this is the LEAST of SDA's problems.)
---Cluny on 8/26/10


\\Besides, Ellen White is not a city, she didn't ascend out of pagan Rome, nor did she sit on seven hills. The Orthodox church whose false traditions you uphold is merely Catholicism with a different pope\\

1. Rome sits on NINE hills, not seven.

2. I think I know Orthodox a little bit better than you do, and we know nothing of popes (as the Bishop of Rome became) in any form.

And you have not proven that the quotes I gave you from EGW are in fact forgeries.

All you do is engage in ad hominem arguments.
---Cluny on 8/26/10


Disclaimer before we get 75 Ellen White questions:

The only doctrine which is unique to the SDA church is the sanctuary doctrine. More specificaly the teaching that Judgment takes place after one dies, takes place in the heavenly sanctuary, and is going one right now even before Jesus returns.

Many churches also keep the sabbath:
example: Seventh day BAPTIST, Seventh day church of God (pentecostal)
many churches do not eat anything unclean.

Look on this very website you will find strong teaching on the sabbath, the ten commandments, and on biblical diets which are the same as SDA

These doctrines biblical are not unique to SDA.
---FRANCIS on 8/26/10


Trav, I suppose you go to great troubles to find something wrong with what I say. Your intentions are wrong and not for the glory of Christ. I said:
"Btw Mark, I found it! No blog name..just the date.
"Foreknowledge does not make future acts certain but only assumes them to be so, and it is a contradictions of terms to say that God foreknows as certain an event which in its very nature is uncertain" --- MarkV on 12/25/09"


The "Foreknowledge" of God does not make anything certain, It sees thing as certain. If they were not certain, He could not have foreknowledge.
---MarkV. on 8/26/10




In either case, "sleep" is a euphemistic term in both the OT and NT to describe death and E G. White's false teaching concerning what happens after death is not part of Apostolic Tradition.
---Ignatius on 8/25/10
Like what?
What exactly does E G white teach about what happens when you die?
---francis on 8/26/10


Cluny: Ellen White is NOT a false prophet, but you are indeed a false witness. You try the lame argument that 666 - the number of a MAN can mean woman because the Greek 'anthropos' is used. Please note that if the prophet John had meant WOMAN, he would have used the greek 'gune', rather than 'anthropos.' Perhaps you are just gender identity challenged.

Besides, Ellen White is not a city, she didn't ascend out of pagan Rome, nor did she sit on seven hills. The Orthodox church whose false traditions you uphold is merely Catholicism with a different pope. Face it, all you have is false doctrine and a heart filled with hate.
---jerry6593 on 8/26/10


Whenever I send you a testimony of reproof or correction, you reject it as being merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the spirit of God."--EGW, Vol 5.

Is she or is she not claiming to be the mouthpiece of the Holy Spirit with these words?
-Cluny on 8/25/10

Which prophet is not the mouthpeice of God?
And is that not a major problem throught the bible, people rejecting the words of God's prophets?
Or are you forgeting that NOT EVERY PROPHET has a book in the bible named for him or her?

Where are the writings of Agabus or Deborah?
Try again, I think you can do better.
---francis on 8/26/10


"Whenever I send you a testimony of reproof or correction, you reject it as being merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the spirit of God."--EGW, Vol 5.

Is she or is she not claiming to be the mouthpiece of the Holy Spirit with these words?

How does this differ from Pio Nono's "Traditione son IO! **I** am tradition! **I** am the Church!"?

Curiously enough, they were contemporaries.
---Cluny on 8/25/10


"Sleep is a common biblial term for death. E G White did not make it up.

1 Kings 2:10 So David SLEPT with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.

1 Kings 11:43 And Solomon SLEPT with his fathers, and was buried" (francis)

Sure sounds like incest to me........

In either case, "sleep" is a euphemistic term in both the OT and NT to describe death and E G. White's false teaching concerning what happens after death is not part of Apostolic Tradition.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/25/10


\\What have YOU read that you can make such a claim?
---francis on 8/25/10\\

I myself have already given one of her false prophecies.

How many does it take to be a false prophet?
---Cluny on 8/25/10


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Btw Mark, I found it! No blog name..just the date.

"Foreknowledge does not make future acts certain but only assumes them to be so, and it is a contradictions of terms to say that God foreknows as certain an event which in its very nature is uncertain" --- MarkV on 12/25/09

Explains the stubborn attitude. After OT approved,prophets had "Knowledge", "Before",prophecied events. GOD's "foreknowledge" has been 100% on so far. As one would expect from GOD.
Deuteronomy 18:22
When a prophet speaketh in name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
---Trav on 8/25/10


---francis you have but to read her prophecies.
---mima on 8/25/10

What have YOU read that you can make such a claim?
---francis on 8/25/10


---francis you have but to read her prophecies.
---mima on 8/25/10


Ellen G. White, whose name adds up to 666, is a false prophet.
---Cluny on 8/24/10
You are either funny or Leej or just refuse to read the whole bible

For 666 to fit E G WHITE all of these must happen:

Revelation 13:12 Deadly wound which will heal

Revelation 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

(THIS ONE IS SHE EVER DID IT LOL LOL)

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. ( HEN DID E G WHITE DO THAT)
---francis on 8/25/10


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--mima on 8/25/10

Show you evidence
Do not just make statement show facts
Show how she is a false prophet
---francis on 8/25/10


"Ellen G. White is a false prophet.

The above is a proven fact.
---mima on 8/25/10


BTW, you accused me of "hate speech."

The SDA indulges in hate speech all the time.

Following the false prophet EGW, it says that worship on Sunday is the Mark of the Beast.

By the same tokens, it says that the US government is the false prophet with its nasty old Sunday blue laws.

If that's not hate speech, not only against Christians, but against the powers that be (which the Bible says are ordained of God), I don't know what is.
---Cluny on 8/25/10


\\Why should there be? The Bible also doesn't mention the Orthodox church, so it must be irrelevant\\

Who do you think put the Bible together to start with?

The Bible doesn't mention the Roman Catholic Church, either. So why did EGW fixate upon it so much?

As for Revelation 13:18, this is the passage that says that 66 is the number of a HUMAN, not simply a man, as you falsely claimed.

And I'm simply me--Cluny--nobody else.
---Cluny on 8/25/10


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Cluny: (Are you sure you're not Lee-MaryG-leej? You spew the same hate speech.)

"As far as Rev. 13:18, goes"

Who was talking about Rev 13:8

"You're misquoting the Bible." OK, here is the direct quote from the Bible:

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him ... Hereafter SHALL YE SEE the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

So, do you still contend that Jesus is a lying false prophet?

"She believed the lie of soul sleep"

So did Jesus - see John 11:11,14

"there is not ONE reference to the Orthodox Church"

Why should there be? The Bible also doesn't mention the Orthodox church, so it must be irrelevant.
---jerry6593 on 8/25/10


Jerry: It is if they are NOT cultists, is certainly is NOT if they are, for would be telling God's truth. BUT - we must be careful, for the word ' cult' is not actually Biblical.... we can use 'false teaching', but there we must first show that the teaching disagrees with Scripture
---Peter on 8/25/10


She ( ELLEN G WHITE) believed the lie of soul sleep
-Cluny on 8/24/10 \

Not " Soul sleep" but rather that death is a sleep from which everyone will some day wake up.

Sleep is a common biblial term for death. E G White did not make it up.

1 Kings 2:10 So David SLEPT with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.

1 Kings 11:43 And Solomon SLEPT with his fathers, and was buried

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that SLEPT.

Matthew 9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but SLEEPETH.

John 11:11 Our friend Lazarus sleepeth, John 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death:
---francis on 8/25/10


As far as Rev. 13:18, goes in the original inspired Greek version (and no translation can claim the same for itself), the word is not ANIR, which means gender specific male, but is ANTHROPOS, which means a human being of either sex, so the Beast could well be a woman.

Ellen G. White, whose name adds up to 666, is a false prophet.

She believed the lie of soul sleep (or rather, soul extinction). I'll bet she got a big surprised when SHE died! I pray it was a pleasant one.

Finally, there is not ONE reference to the Orthodox Church in any of her lying testimonies to the churches. Why is that? Could it be that she simply wasn't aware of it?
---Cluny on 8/24/10


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\\cluny: Jesus and Paul also referred to "some present" that would be alive at the 2nd coming - 2000 years later.\\

WRONG!

You're misquoting the Bible.

Jesus said, "Some of those standing here will not taste death until they see the Kingdom of God come with power."

The Kingdom of God came with power on Pentecost some 2000 years ago. And Judas (one of those standing there) had died by then.

EGW is still a false prophet.
---Cluny on 8/24/10


cluny: Jesus and Paul also referred to "some present" that would be alive at the 2nd coming - 2000 years later. Do you call Jesus and Paul false prophets? Perhaps you understanding is faulty, and there will be a special resurrection of a few just before Jesus returns. Otherwise, you believe that Jesus and Paul are false prophets.

For future reference, the number 666 is the number of a MAN - not a woman like Ellen White. You do know the difference don't you?
---jerry6593 on 8/24/10


\\Again you show your lack of biblical knowledge. Do you call anyone who prophesires a FALSE PROPHET who says that some will be alive at the 2nd coming?\\

She didn't say, simply "some."

EGW's prophecy delivered to her by the impostor she called "my angel" included the words "of those present".

That means she was told (or is herself saying) that SOME of those present would be alive when Jesus returned.

In other words, she prophecied FALSELY (assuming there are are no babies of 150 years or so born at the conference who are still alive.

EGW (whose name adds up to 666) is a false prophet.

Period.
---Cluny on 8/24/10


Cluny: "some would be alive to be translated when Jesus returns"

Again you show your lack of biblical knowledge. Do you call anyone who prophesires a FALSE PROPHET who says that some will be alive at the 2nd coming? How about Jesus and Paul - 2000 years in the future.

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him [the high priest], Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

1Th 4:17 Then WE [not THEY] which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:

Are you willing to call Jesus and Paul FALSE PROPHETS?
---jerry6593 on 8/24/10


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BTW, regarding false doctrines of Roman Catholic Church, I've posted a thread on the biggest one, namely Filioquism, which almost all Protestants are infected with, with the exception of those who are Sabellians or Arians in their Christology.

But then, those last two don't believe in the real Jesus, anyway.
---Cluny on 8/23/10


\\cluny: "How do you deal with the false prophecies of Ellen G. White?"

There aren't any. How do you deal with the false doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church?\\

First off, I'm not Roman Catholic and have said repeated that I am not.

One of EGW's false prophecies was in the 1850's at an Adventist conference. "My angel told me that of those present, some would be food for worms, some subject of the 7 last plagues, and some would be alive to be translated when Jesus returns."

Assuming there were babies born there at that very moment, the youngest would be around 150 years old.
---Cluny on 8/23/10


cluny: "How do you deal with the false prophecies of Ellen G. White?"

There aren't any. How do you deal with the false doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church?
---jerry6593 on 8/22/10


\\I'm a SDA because I follow the Bible rather than any man-made tradition.\\

How do you deal with the false prophecies of Ellen G. White?
---Cluny on 8/20/10


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Gordon: Peace! I was not reacting to your calling me a cultist, but rather the concept that many on this site seem to believe that denigrating the people of other denominations somehow makes them superior in God's eyes. Yes, I'm a SDA because I follow the Bible rather than any man-made tradition. And, although I have serious disagreement with some of the doctrines of most other denominations, I have great respect for the sincerity of the people within them. My church is one of the few that recognizes that God has His flock in many fields. That is why you'll see me defend Catholics, JWs, LDSs, etc. whenever someone calls them cultists. Not their doctrines, but the people.
---jerry6593 on 8/19/10


Jerry6593, As I said before, my comment was not aimed at any particular person visiting this Blog Site. I certainly, then, was not referring to you. Nor was I "agreeing" with anyone who MAY have been aiming at you. I simply made my comment after reading the Blog Question above. And, so, I still stand by what I said. It seems that you did not understand my comment correctly. So, I'll repeat part of it....IF someone claims to be a "christian" but, are indeed REALLY a cultist, then, they should be exposed. If you're not a cultist, then it does not apply to you. I gather that you're 7th Day Adventist? If so, you are not a cultist. You're an observer of GOD's true Sabbath.
---Gordon on 8/18/10


Gordon: Is it possible that YOU are a cultist without realizing it? How would you know? What standard would you use to determine your cultishness? If you indeed worship the true God of the Bible, and love Him with all your heart, do you think it pleases Him when others call you a cultist? I don't!
---jerry6593 on 8/18/10


They apostles didnt just preach the good news. They exposed false teachings.

The fall of man was a necessary part in the plan. Yet God in no way compelled man to fall. He simply withheld that undeserved constraining grace with which Adam would infallibly not have fallen, which grace He was under no obligation to bestow --- MarkV 12/23/09

A man has 100 kids and starves them all until they became deathly ill. He has food enough to save all 100 of them from dying, but only chooses to save 10.

Would this man be seen as a loving father who saved 10 of his children or as a devil who let 90 of his children starve to death so that the 10 would love him more for not letting them die also?
---JackB on 8/17/10


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Btw Mark, I found it! No blog name..just the date.

"Foreknowledge does not make future acts certain but only assumes them to be so, and it is a contradictions of terms to say that God foreknows as certain an event which in its very nature is uncertain" --- MarkV on 12/25/09
---JackB on 8/17/10


Jerry6593, What did I say that was untrue? Did you actually read ALL that I said? I said.....If a Christian is NOT REALLY a cultist, then, yes, it is a sin to call them a "cultist", because that would be "bearing false witness against a neighbour." If they ARE a cultist, while claiming to be a "christian", then, they must be exposed for the sake of weaker believers, and for the sake of the truth. I wasn't targeting any particular person on this Blog Site. I simply answered the Blog Question. But, YES, to answer your question, then, Jerry....if I know of one who claims they are a christian, but, are really a cultist, I would blow their cover. Yeah, I would.:-)
---Gordon on 8/17/10


anon: "And what do you call a group of people who hold grudges, don't forgive others, think they're always right and don't even read their bibles. Can you guess?"

There are wheat and tares in EVERY denomination. Call a particular church heirarchy cultist if you like, but not the precious souls for whom Christ died.
---jerry6593 on 8/17/10


What do you call a so called religious group of people who idolize and worship a man who wears a white robe with either a beanie on his head or a large hat when saying Mass?

What do you say about a group of people who don't eat meat on Friday's during lent yet live in fornication with their boyfriend and think nothing of it? And go around point out other people's sins.

We're getting close, stay with me, okay?

And what do you call a group of people who hold grudges, don't forgive others, think they're always right and don't even read their bibles. Can you guess? CATHOLICISM!!!! is a CULT...there I said it......now put hot pepper on my tongue and maybe even some horseradish....lol.
Catholicism is a CULT all the way!!!
---anon on 8/16/10


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Gordon: "The true cults and cultists do need to be exposed."

And just who is the great exposer .... You? Do you have the ability to read the thoughts and intents of the hearts of others?

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is ...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Would you condemn those whom God is trying to save? By all means speak the truth, but do it in love (Eph 4:15).
---jerry6593 on 8/15/10


It's a sin to call other Christians "cultists" if they are NOT really cultists, even if many believe they are. It is NOT a sin to call a "christian" a cultist if they, indeed, really are. The true cults and cultists do need to be exposed.
---Gordon on 8/14/10


"Cluny YOU CATHOLIC church, endorses my SDA church as the sole bible ONLYT teaching church." (francis)

Why would Cluny care what the Roman Catholic Church teach if Cluny is not a Catholic? Why do many keep spreading the lie that Cluny is a member of the Roman Catholic Church?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/14/10


aka: Although you and I frequently disagree, I'm 100% with you on this one. I further believe that when we judge another's motives, character, heart, mind, etc. that we cannot see, rather than their acts which we can see, we usurp the sole prerogative of God as our judge - a blasphemous act! Like Satan, those who think to judge the minds of others say of themselves "I shall be like the Most High"!

francis: Your scriptural reasoning is powerful, but it would be more forceful if you would spell- and grammar-check your posts.

Cluny: Are childish antics the best you can do? You are better than that!
---jerry6593 on 8/14/10


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Cluny YOU CATHOLIC church, endorses my SDA church as the sole bible ONLYT teaching church. And you say what?

THE CATHOLIC EXTENSION MAGAZINE
180 Wabash Avenue, Chicago, Illinois

Dear Sir:

(2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ, to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to the Sunday. We frankly say, "Yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws,

With best wishes,
Peter R. Tramer. Editor
---francis on 8/13/10


You don't actually think you are part of that "we," do you?
Cluny on 8/13/10
you sure are funny!

THE CATHOLIC EXTENSION MAGAZINE
180 Wabash Avenue,
Dear Sir:

(1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

With best wishes,
Peter R. Tramer. Editor
---francis on 8/13/10


You don't actually think you are part of that "we," do you?
---Cluny on 8/13/10

you are funny!
LOL Actually YOU think I am the ONLY ONE:

THE CATHOLIC EXTENSION MAGAZINE
180 Wabash Avenue,
Chicago, Illinois


(1)
(2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith.

(3). of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventists are the only group that reason correctly and are consistent with their teachings.

With best wishes,
Peter R. Tramer. Editor

---francis on 8/13/10


WE: Revelation 14:12 The saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

WE, Romans 3:31 yea, we establish the law.

WE: Matthew 5:19 whosoever shall do ( THE COMMANDMENTS) and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

WE: Revelation 12:17 The remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

WE: Romans 2:13 the doers of the law shall be justified.


WE: Acts 5:32 them that obey him.

WE: Hebrews 5:9all them that obey him,

WE: Psalms 1:2 delight is in the law of the LORD, and in his law doth he meditate day and night
---francis on 8/13/10


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\\We are disciples of christ choosen to make disciples for christ.\\

Who's WE, Kemo Sabe?

You don't actually think you are part of that "we," do you?
---Cluny on 8/13/10


How can this matter be explained in 125 words to someone who doesn't even understand Christianity yet?
Cluny on 8/12/10

Like this: Christians are followers of Christ, and not followers of christians. We are disciples of christ choosen to make disciples for christ. We believe that we are saved from eternal death by the grace of God through faith, and that there is nothing we can do to earn our salvation. We obey God and have faith in what Jesus did on the cross. Jesus, who is also God, died for our sins, and in return gave to us his perfect sinless life. Our god is the God who created heaven and earth. We belive that the bible in the word of God and that God never changes his laws or his love. His son died because he loves everyone.
---francis on 8/13/10


//Is it a sin to call other Christians "cultists"?//

It is error to label anybody anything. It is not wrong to identify a belief that is not in line with Scripture.

My question is: is it a sin to keep picking apart others beliefs and never reveal the belief system that you belong to? (you - in general not jerry6953)
---aka on 8/12/10


\\Can you explain to me the difference, and the similarities? Or are you just going to keep on with the jokes?
---francis on 8/12/10\\

There are books written on the subject. How can this matter be explained in 125 words to someone who doesn't even understand Christianity yet?

As for your mockery of me, all you are doing is putting me in the best company in the world. (But of course, you can't actually deal with the issues I raise, so you just try to laugh them away.)

Keep on blessing me.
---Cluny on 8/12/10


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Can you explain to me the difference, and the similarities? Or are you just going to keep on with the jokes?
---francis on 8/12/10


\\Orthodix catholic as opposed to Roman, or eastern ? How does that differ from RCC?
---francis on 8/12/10\\

If you don't understand the difference between the Gospel of Christ and your inauthentic do-it-yourself half-way Karite Judaism, you won't understand the difference between Orthodoxy and the denominational churches, including your own.
---Cluny on 8/12/10


Mockery is one form of ad hominem attack when the user cannot actually answer the issues that are raised.
---Cluny on 8/11/10

Again with the jokes?
What issues? By the way what denomination / church name do you belong to?
What exactly does orthodox mean in that case?
Orthodix catholic as opposed to Roman, or eastern ? How does that differ from RCC?
---francis on 8/12/10


Now that you know this, you know the right thing to do (and not do) and you will be sinning the next time you call someone a "cultist"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/11/10


Get off my toes! :P
---JackB on 8/11/10


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\\I've done it all the time, francis, but you seem to resent it.
---Cluny on 8/11/10

getting funnier every post
---FRANCIS on 8/11/10\\

Mockery is one form of ad hominem attack when the user cannot actually answer the issues that are raised.
---Cluny on 8/11/10


Yes, if they are true Christians. Sure is.
---catherine on 8/11/10


I would say yes Jerry it is a sin or at least in error because cultists aren't Christians.

There is liberty in Christ Jesus and bondage in cults. The two have no common ground in truth and can't co-exist.
---larry on 8/11/10


Must I keep taking you back to James 4:17?

James 4:17 "Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin".

Paul says in Titus 3:1 "to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men". Calling someone a "cultist" definitely is maligning them and not showing them any consideration.

Now that you know this, you know the right thing to do (and not do) and you will be sinning the next time you call someone a "cultist".
---Mark_Eaton on 8/11/10


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There is no problem calling a cult what it is. We need to tell anyone who is involved in a cult such as Mormonism that they are following a false prophet who is teaching false doctrine. Although a lot of them will not listen, some will and they will turn to Jesus Christ for their salvation instead of a cult. This is why I am serving the Lord today. Someone told me that the Mormon doctrine I had been taught as a child was wrong and that Jesus could set me free. Praise the Lord!
---KarenD on 8/11/10


I've done it all the time, francis, but you seem to resent it.
---Cluny on 8/11/10

getting funnier every post
---FRANCIS on 8/11/10


It is a sin to judge people or a group of people...why not just IGNORE them?

I ignore cults. Don't give them any creedence.

How do you know if "other Christians" are cultists? Maybe they are just in error? Maybe they are just believing the wrong thing, does that make them a cultist?

IGNORE THEM!!!! I worked with a girl who is a Jehovah Witness and she'd tell me there's minor in our differences in the Trinity and Jesus is not God. I just began to IGNORE her. I let her go her own way once I stated, well I don't believe that, I believe Jesus is God, the Son of God, etc.,
---Donna5535 on 8/11/10


\\I dunno, bible does not use the word CULT just false teachers and prophets
It may be a sin NOT to call a false prophet a false prophet and a false teacher a false teacher
---francis on 8/11/10\\

I've done it all the time, francis, but you seem to resent it.
---Cluny on 8/11/10


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Any discovery of sin and/or error in doctrinal teaching should be confronted. The individual followers should be treated gently and with love, in an effort to point them to the TRUE way. Confrontation of cults is not wrong, harsh confrontation of the individual cultists is not the way to show them Jesus Christ.
---tommy3007 on 8/11/10


SIN? SIN SIN

I dunno, bible does not use the word CULT just false teachers and prophets
It may be a sin NOT to call a false prophet a false prophet and a false teacher a false teacher
---francis on 8/11/10


Not per se, but it's not especially virtuous, either.

It certainly doesn't open doors, does it?
---Cluny on 8/11/10


Yes.A true cult as far as ones to avoid are ones like the David Koresh or Jim Jones one. the ones keeping you isolated from anyone & everyone, living in a small compund group area. Let God be the judge. Just because you donot agree with their teaching style does not make them a cult.
If they have the gospel teachings , teaching Jesus is the only way, THE ONLY Begotton son of God, king of kings, etc...
leave them alone. pt 2 countinue....
---candice on 8/11/10


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pt 2:I use to be with a Southen baptist church & Church of Christ & I heard gossip/rilvary with them just because you didn't go to the same church as them.If you're abaptist, but not a southern then they scorn you... if you're a CoC member,but go to a libral "music" playing congregation you're in the "wrong one".
Honestly? Focus on the foundation of God through his son Jesus. Leave the man made traditional church doctrine or bylaws aside.God knows who is his child & who isn't NOT based on denominations.
---candice on 8/11/10


It's not a sin to express an opinion. But it is to make a false accusation.
---ger.toshav on 8/11/10


A Christian is not a cultist, just as there is no such thing as a Christian idolater, for Christians follow Christ and not some other false way. "Sin-supporting" and "saint-dissing" is blasphemy, just as it is wrong to misjudge Christ to be Satan, so it is equally wrong to misjudge his children and wrongly say that all people are sinners, even the born-again and sanctified saints of God.
---Eloy on 8/11/10


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