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Should We Eat All Things

Romans 14:2 "For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs." Who do you think this person might apply to?

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One thing is sure, not everyone is going to heaven:

Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
---francis on 9/9/10


frances - the passages in
Matthew 15:20, Mark 7:2, Mark 7:5
is NOT about eating with unwashed hands, but that what comes from the heart that defiles one, not what goes into the stomach.

So if I eat a pork chop, it does NOT make one unclean.

"Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do." 1 Cor. 8:8

Circumcision as you probably do NOT know was the entrance rite into Judaism. If you became circumcised THEN you were obligated to observe ALL the laws of Judaism including the Levitical food laws and the keeping of the Jewish Sabbath.

There is NOT NOT a single NT verse that even implies Christian are bound by food restrictions.
---leej on 9/9/10


Matthew 15:20, Mark 7:2, Mark 7:5

There is not one word in this passages about clean or unclean meats, the whole context is UNWASHEN hands. SO obviously someone has added to god's word. Not even 1/3 mention unclean.

Acts 15:1, Acts 15:5, Acts 15:24, Acts 21:21, Galatians 5:2, Galatians 5:3, Galatians 6:12, Galatians 6:13, Colossians 2:11

NINE (9) bible verses about circumcision. not one word or mention about sabbath. Yet people add sabbath to these texts.

You know in the bible if one story is tolkd more than 2 times, the words are usually different. yet NINE times we have doctrines about/ against circulcision and not 1/10 says one thing about sabbath.

What exactly does that tell you?
---francis on 9/9/10


the more i read some comments, the more i can see lack of all understanding.

The NT emphasis is that God hath made them ONE.

The OT emphasis ONE LAW for jew and none jew

Both OT and NT emphasis: One God, one LAW, and that God is not partial to any race or persons.

Only one who lacks understanding would ever make a statement that says Jews can do one thing while none jews may do another.
That statemenet is contrary to any biblical understanding.
This begs the question: What of the proselytes, did they also eat what they wished seeing they were none Hebrews/ jews?
---francis on 9/9/10


Romans 14: For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not, and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him

Matthew 15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Mark 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

Mark 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Anyone see UNCLEAN MEATS here?
I see HERBS and UNWASHEN HANDS what do you see?
---francis on 9/9/10




I never understand why some on this blog answer questions with good insight and instruction, but then spoil it by ending with a personal attack comment. If one is trying to correct or discuss, why be like heathens and attack your brother or sister in the process? It is so unneccessary!
---Lin on 9/9/10


frances - Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Acts 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

Those who have studied the scripture would realize that Peter was a Jew and continued to follow Jewish laws. However, when the issue came up of whether Gentile converts has to observe laws that were strictly Jewish, the decision was that they need not observe circumcision or obey the law of Moses. See Acts 15:5,28

The Word of God is clearly against your contention, why not simply admit it? You cannnot win against those who know the Word of God.
---leej on 9/8/10


frances - If Christians are not to eat certain food, then there has to be a valid judgment on those who disobey. However Scripture could not be more plain in that we cannot pass judgment in questions regarding food or drink.

Col 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

Furthermore it is plain that food has virtually NO bearing on our spiritual well being.

1Co 8:8 Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.

You would not find this in scripture if there were food restrictions on the Christian.
---leej on 9/8/10


frances - seriously

Those who beleive they cannot eat certain foods are declared to be weak in their faith.

Romans 14: 1-3 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not, and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

And I note you absolutely refuse to respond to the fact that neither the Apostles nor their immediate successors taught any food restrictions.

Obviously the reason is that you are totally ignorant of early church history.

Suggest your get better mentors as all your arugments are untenable.
---leej on 9/8/10


Seriously:
1: Malachi 3:6, Acts 10:34 Think about the character of God: God doe snot change, and God is no respector of persons.

2: Ezekiel 18:25 Think about the judgment of God. WOuld God send some to hell for eating swine and not others?

3: Hebrews 9:16 The New covenant starts with the death of jesus.

1: God cannot change his laws
2: Judgment of God is equal
3: The new covenanthas not even started when this alleged statement about eating anything was made.

So you guys must have surely missunderstood, or have actively allowed yourseoves to be deceived about the character and judgment of Jesus.
---francis on 9/8/10




Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Acts 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

HMM seem like peter either forgot that he could eat anything, or JESUS DID NOT SAY he could eat anything.

or maybe only none jews could eat anything

I wonder if the proselytes started eating pork?
---francis on 9/8/10


micha9344 --- I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.--further supporting what comes from the heart is what defiles, not what is eaten.

Apparently our modern day legalists simply refuse to believe what Jesus clearly stated that whatever goes into the stomach does NOT defile one but what comes out of the heart.

And apparently our modern day legalists refuse to accept the decision of the Jerusalem council Acts 15 when the Spirit of Jesus stated that the Gentiles need not be circumcised or come under Jewish laws to be genuine Christians. Will frances read Acts 15:24, doubtful!!!!!
---leej on 9/8/10


Luke 8:33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.

You mean Jesus destroyed all this GOOD FOOD?
---francis on 9/8/10


francis//Now considering what Jesus just said here, do you really think he repealed the commands of his father: that we should not eat anything unclean?

Christians are NOT required to be physically circumcised in accordance to OT laws.

God deals with His creation in terms of covenants, there is NOTHING in the New Covenant that even speaks of food restrictions.

If you think the 613 laws found within the Old Covenant (OT) are applicable to the Christian then you clearly have no understanding of what a covenant even is.

there will be those Christ will say depart from me I never knew you, depart from me you who do evil. At the top of the list will probably be the modern day legalists who preach dietary laws.
---leej on 9/8/10


Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in heaven.

Now considering what Jesus just said here, do you really think he repealed the commands of his father: that we should not eat anything unclean?

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Has it ever been the will of God that anyone whould eat unclean foods?
The word of God MUST be an agent of change, even change of diet.
---francis on 9/8/10


How will a person not get to Heaven?
A: Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
OR
B: Matthew 25:41-43 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.--further supporting what comes from the heart is what defiles, not what is eaten.
---micha9344 on 9/8/10


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Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
---francis on 9/8/10


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Acts 21:21 Galatians 5:2 Galatians 5:3 Acts 15:1 Acts 15:5 Acts 15:24

SIX, count them :6 passages about circumcision.
Not one of them say anything about eating unclean meats.
Let the BIBLE speak for itself.
---francis on 9/8/10


Not everyone is going to heaven

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
---francis on 9/8/10


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//If these texts are truely understood and believed, then there is no way anyone wold think Jesus said itis OK to eat unclean animals:

It is very clear that the Jerusalem council Acts 15 did not require Gentile Christians to follow laws that were strictly Jewish in nature - such things as the Levitical food laws, and the Jewish Sabbath.

If Christians were requried to abstain from certain food then we must certainly would have seen it taught and taught and taught and taught in the early church, but we do not.

We Christians will stick to what Jesus said when He said foods do not defile us but only what comes from the heart.
---leej on 9/8/10


If these texts are truely understood and believed, then there is no way anyone wold think Jesus said itis OK to eat unclean animals:

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines

Psalms 138:2 for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not,

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie,

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
---francis on 9/8/10


clyde on 9/7/10
Well them, riddle me this:

In the entire passage in both Matthew and mark do you see any word such as unclean meats?

Matthew 15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with UNWASHEN HANDS defileth not a man.

Mark 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with UNWASHEN, HANDS, they found fault.

According to the context in both mark and matthew are we not talking about UNWASHEN HANDS?

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

Would not eating unclean meat be a divers and strange doctrine?
---francis on 9/8/10


frankly, it is doubtful if anyone can help poor frances until his teaching demon can be exorcised.
---clyde on 9/7/10


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francis -..Same book, same author.
Why do we warn people against man being with man, but not man eating swine?

Because you are imagine yourself to be Jewish, thinking that laws given to the Jewish people are applicable to you.

However,if you were to rightfully handled the word of truth, you would see that there are no food restrictions given to Christians under the New Covenant. Read Romans 14.

You need to fire you mentors as it is obvious they are ignorant both of the Bible and its Author.

Poor blinded soul when will you ever see?
---leej on 9/7/10


Leviticus 11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you, ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Same book, same author.
Why do we warn people against man being with man, but not man eating swine?

It is only judging with one and not the other?
---francis on 9/7/10


Adetunji - there is virtually NO evidence whatsoever that ritually unclean foods are any more harmful to ones body than other foods if properly prepared.

In any case, it is very clear that there is NOTHING in the Bible that restricts Christians from eating any things that is edible.

And you ignore the fact that the early church - the Apostles & their immediate successors DID NOT teach food restrictions.

(Of course, you probably are totally unaware of early church history chosen to believe your uneducated mentors who have only their religion to offer you).
---leej on 9/7/10


It is a fact that some foods have better nutritional then others do, and I believe that a diet high in fiber and low in fat and sodium and sugar is healthier than eating foods low in fiber and high in fat and sodium and sugar. But we are not to be wrongly dissing people for eating meat. Meat-eater, Eat to God and be thankful: Veg-eater, Eat to God and be thankful.
---Eloy on 9/7/10


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Leej: >> //The only rational and logical conclusion is that Christians can eat whatever foods they desire...// God is NOT A JOKER, foods declared UNCLEAN are poisons of various degrees/sorts, the negative-effects of which science has not known. Jesus (Matt.15:11) did not say eating POISON is OK. God who created those unclean animals/birds declared them unclean. Science was blind until few 1000 years after God spoke that (1) Eating fat is bad (2) cells of tape-worm survives being boiled in the pig-fat, develop to full-tape-worm in man. (3) Are you sure strange-diseases = unclean-food? (4) When did science discover AIDS virus in chimpanzees? GOD forbade for its consumption. God is saving us from some problems by all UNCLEAN declarations.
---Adetunji on 9/7/10


Lee: "all your arguments are not from His word but from ... Ellen White."

FYI, These quotes were from the Bible, not EGW:

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Your reading skills aren't improving with age, are they?


"Jerry dear we are only trying to help..."

I can almost feel the love!
---jerry6593 on 9/7/10


What is lost in this blog is the nature and character of God.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Clearly we have all read in other passages of the bible, that to eat certain meats is an abomination, and defiles.

If God is ONE then clearly we are missunderstanding Jesus, if we think he is saying that contrary to what has been said before unclean meats do not defile.


Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar,
---francis on 9/7/10


Adetunji -// The question asked the Lord Jesus Christ here{vs15:2} was about traditional-wash of hands NOT about eating things called UNCLEAN. The Lord Jesus Christ by this verse did NOT declare unclean foods clean.

It is very clear that Jesus taught that what does defiles one is what comes from the heart, NOT what goes into the stomach.

Clearly, if dietary laws were applicable to the Christian we would have seen it taught and taught and taught by the Apostles and their successor BUT WE DO NOT.

The only rational and logical conclusion is that Christians can eat whatever foods they desire, there are no restrictions mandated by Scripture.
---leej on 9/6/10


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Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These [are] the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that [are] on the earth.
Lev 22:2 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, that they separate themselves from the holy things of the children of Israel
Context, francis: context, context, context...
Lev 11-to Ben Israel, Lev 22 to Ben Aaron.
To Ben Adam-Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat.
To Ben Noah-Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.
God doesn't change, but people do.
---micha9344 on 9/6/10


It is plain, the verse is comparing the person who eats indisciminately vesus the vegetarian who eats only herbs, and the verse also says that the vegetarian is weak in thinking that eating meat is somehow wrong or not as meritorious as eating vegies only. The truth is eating meat is equally godly as eating vegies. The human mouth has a set of canine teeth which is created to not only be herbavorous but also to tear meat and be carnivorous or omnivorous. And also the good man killed the fatted calf for the prodigal, and the Lord Jesus eats lamb, and he does not forbid the eating of meat.
---Eloy on 9/6/10


\\Leviticus 11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth,\\

I will point out that the Hebrew word rendered "abominable" here--TOEVAH--never meant "sin in itself" but more "nasty! Nice Jews don't do this!"
---Cluny on 9/6/10


frances - your biggest failure is to rightfully handle the word of God.

You simply do NOT recognize that God made a New Covenant with the Jews that included the Gentiles.

AND in accordance to the Jerusalem council Acts 15 HE DID NOT mandate obedience to any of the dietary laws or even the Sabbath or other laws that were strictly Jewish in nature.

If you believe in all the OT laws, then go get yourself circumcised by the Rabbi, observe the national feasts and Sabbaths. You might even try wearing one of those Jewish top hats and blow on a scofar!

You can continue to toot your horn but no one is going to be converted to your untenable position.
---leej on 9/6/10


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The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are ONE. They agree as ONE, and do not cancel out each other but testify of each other

Leviticus 11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.
Leviticus 22:8 That which dieth of itself, or is torn [with beasts], he shall not eat to defile himself therewith: I [am] the LORD.

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
---FRANCIS on 9/6/10


Francis - //how do you get unclean meats from unwashed hands?

What Jesus was saying Mt 15 & Mk 7 is whatever (food, dirt, etc.)that goes into the stomach does NOT defile but whatever comes from the heart.

Thus whatever food you eat is not what defiles you. So if you eat oysters ( favorite dish of Ellen White), fish w/o scales, pork, horse meat, etc. it goes into the stomach and is discharged.

This interpretation follows what the Spirit of Jesus told me in Romans 14 and elsewhere.

Furthermore, if Levitical dietary laws were mandated for Christians, it would have been taught by the Apostles and their immediate successors, but it was NOT.

Your problem is you twist scripture to fit your religious beliefs.
---leej on 9/6/10


2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith, prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Matthew 15:20 These are the things which DEFILE a man: but to eat with UNWASHEN HANDS DEFILETH not a man.
Mark 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with DEFILED, that is to say, with UNWASHEN, HANDS they found fault.

The disciples were eating BREAD (not shrimp, pork, or catfish) with *UNWASHEN* hands,
How do you get eating unclean meats from unwashen hands?

Jesus never said that you can eat anything, he said to eat with UNWASHEN HANDS doe snot defile.
how do you get unclean meats from unwashen hands?
---francis on 9/6/10


Yes we may eat anything that God put here for us to eat. No limitations. There is no problem with being a vegetarian, until they begin condemning those who are not like them. The key is to not judge one another or feel somehow "better" then others.
---jody on 9/6/10


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This statement by Lee is so true, a little raw, but very direct.
" Haven't you ever noticed that all your arguments are not from His word but from that olde albatross you have around your neck called Ellen White."
---mima on 9/6/10


Matthew 15:20 These are the things which DEFILE a man: but to eat with UNWASHEN HANDS DEFILETH not a man.
Mark 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with DEFILED, that is to say, with UNWASHEN, HANDS they found fault.
Mark 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with UNWASHEN HANDS?

1: According to this context, the word DEFILE means:
A:UNWASHEN HANDS
B:UNCLEAN MEATS

2: According to the context the disciples were eating:
A:WITH UNWASHED HANDS
B:FRIED PORK CHOPS

3: According to the context Jesus said:
A:Eating unclean meats will not defile you
B:Eating with UNWASHEN hands will not defile you
---francis on 9/6/10


Jerry -

You fight against the scriptures - not me. Haven't you ever noticed that all your arguments are not from His word but from that olde albatross you have around your neck called Ellen White.

Col. 2:20-22 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not, taste not, handle not, Which all are to perish with the using,) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Jerry dear we are only trying to help pull you out of the tarry pits of religion.
---leej on 9/6/10


I know many take these verse to mean that we can eat anything even that foridden by scripture.

But most who accept that then go on and condemn and put down those who do not agree with them. Does not this verse says that those who put down others because they do not eat are in the wrong?
---Samuel on 9/6/10


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cluny & leej-Lee-MaryG:

You fight against the scriptures - not me. Haven't you ever noticed that all your arguments are always about what you can get away with, and never about how you can please God?
---jerry6593 on 9/6/10


//Matt.15:11...Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. // I believe defileth here means MAKE A SINNER. The emphasis of the Lord Jesus here is that eating without washing hands ceremonially [as the Jewish practice then] do not make a man sinner. The question asked the Lord Jesus Christ here{vs15:2} was about traditional-wash of hands NOT about eating things called UNCLEAN. The Lord Jesus Christ by this verse did NOT declare unclean foods clean.
---Adetunji on 9/6/10


It's about those who are weak in the faith versus the strong in the faith. God has received the weak in the faith, and so should we. Paul is not condemning any food....What a great man of God. And how could those devils do what they did to Paul?
---catherine on 9/5/10


Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Would Jerry please tell us if people prior to the time of Moses ate ritually clean as well as unclean foods.

Or perhaps he will tell us that God changed His mind and instituted the Levitical food restrictions.

Sorry Jerry but your doctrine on foods will not fly at all.Suggest you find a denomination that teaches the word of God instead of the junk E. White taught.
---leej on 9/5/10


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Jerry, do you think God is honored by saying He made things that were unclean and sinful to eat?
---Cluny on 9/5/10


jerry -//Do you honestly believe God is honored by bringing an unclean thing into His temple?

You are totally correct we should not harm our bodies. But there is virtually NOTHING in the Bible that states ritually unclean foods harm our bodies.

Jesus stated all foods are clean (Mk. 7:19) and even the Spirit of Jesus says the same thing.

Ro 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

If Christians were not to partake of ritually unclean foods, then why did not the Apostles & their immediate successor teach such beliefs? (O' they did not have Ellen White to guide them!!!!)
---leej on 9/5/10


1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Do you honestly believe that God is honored by bringing an unclean thing into His temple?
---jerry6593 on 9/5/10


Adetunji //May the Lord help us to understand HIM better.

AMEN! In some cases Jesus was very blunt leaving us with little choice in interpretations.

Mk. 7:18-19 And he said to them, Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled? (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

We can easily see that there are those who have sunk deep into the pits of religion similar to what we see of alcoholics with their excessive drinking. Doubtful if they will ever get free!
---leej on 9/4/10


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God/Jesus words, Apostle-Peter, Paul words do not oppose themselves but the understanding of men opposes themselves. When God said, do not eat blood, fat, unclean animals, birds etc, HE means these things are HARMFUL to you do not eat them. A-Paul said, do not judge based on food and holyday, teaches not to CONDEMN TO HELL because of food and holydays. Eating and keeping holydays do not lead to hell or Paradise but are helpful to earthly-man. A leper is declared UNCLEAN to be separated and curb spreading leprosy, not condemned as s/he can be cleansed and restored. The Lord Jesus emphasis on LOVE do not oppose Gods instruction to mean embracing an unhealed LEPER. May the Lord help us to understand HIM better.
---Adetunji on 9/4/10


If Jesus said all food are clean, then I will take His word for it.

Mark 7:19f And he said, What comes out of a person is what defiles him.For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.

But some Christians think that they are Jewish also and thus must observe the Levitical food laws (Lev. 11), however, it is very clear that neither the Apostles nor their successors taught anything about clean or uncleans foods.
---leej on 9/3/10


There is an order God recognizes even in cleanliness regarding food. It is a degree of perfection God recognizes. Evidently for practical reasons: health is one. But this absolute perfection was prescribed for Jews which obviously only Jesus fulfilled. But now clearly Jesus himself said that the priority is to watch what comes out of our hearts: adultery, unclean thoughts etc. than what goes in. Hence we are free to eat anything. Hence a person still finicky about food is called 'weak' by Paul. Again watching a clean heart is more important than just regulated food. But keeping restrictions on food is certainly not wrong. The compulsion behind it is to be watched. It must be confidence not fear.
---hop on 9/3/10


Well I do not eat unclean food first because I have not great desire to eat vulture, rats and other garbage eating animals. Second I do not eat unclean food for the same reason that I do not put bad gas into my car.

Will eating unclean food cause a person to be lost. No. Can it put them in the grave sooner. Yes.
---Samuel on 9/3/10


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Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink.. Which are a shadow of things to come,
Hebrews 9:9-11 Which was a figure for the time then present,

Hebrews 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks,.. until the time of reformation.
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come,

Surely we are not talking about diet here,
But rather meat offerigs and drink offerings doen in the sanctuary which were are shadow of Jesus christ.
---francis on 9/3/10


Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks,
REFERENCE TEXTS:
Leviticus 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
Numbers 29:6 Beside the burnt offering of the month, and his meat offering, and the daily burnt offering, and his meat offering, and their drink offerings, according unto their manner, for a sweet savour, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD.
---francis on 9/3/10


Let no man therefore judge you in meat( OFFERINGS), or in drink (OFFERINGS), or in respect of an holyday , or of the new moon, or of the sabbath dayS:Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

Look at HEBREWS
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a SHADOW of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

THE OT REFERENCE TEXT
Leviticus 23:37 These [are] the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim [to be] holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
---francis on 8/19/10


As AKA has alluded to, this discussion is not about what "food" to eat or not to eat, the discussion is about the people. This is also not a discourse on the question "if eating all things is sin", or "if eating only herbs leads to righteousness".

Rather, it is a discussion on how we are to treat each other when differences in opinion/belief/faith occur.

As I preach to the choir, we must pay attention to this issue, especially here in this place where vast differences are. Our response should be one of love and mentoring, not rebuke and chastisement. The world should know we are His by our love one for another. But, do we really practice this precept? Do we only give it "lip service"?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/18/10


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Col 2:14-17

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
---JackB on 8/17/10


Col 2:14-17

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday
(holiday), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.


Ever notice how many Christians here do JUST what this verse says for us NOT to do? They condemn themselves with their own words.
---JackB on 8/17/10


It is really, really hard these days to find any meat offered to idols.
---ger.toshav on 8/17/10


This is a discussion of those who eat certain things vs those who do not. Reference is made to foods that were offered
to idols and were thus ceremonially unclean It is NOT talking about clean and unclean meats in Leveticus.
The point of the dscussion is that no food is "clean" or "impure" just because it has been offered to idols first because an idool is nothng in the world.
In the case of eating this meat let God be Judge as to its appropiatness !
When talking about the "clean" and "impure"
meats of Leveticus we are still not supposed to eat "garbage can"like animals.
---Pierre on 8/17/10


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Cluny,if I offended you when I said I had to decide if the verse meant weak in faith or body due to diet,I am sorry,but perhaps you took it too pesonal. Of course faith has nothing to do with physical disabilities and that certainly is one. My son has gout,kidney stones,and is diabetic and must avoid sugar products and watch his carbs intake,you know what gout has to avoid in food but he also has to avoid milk products they help form the kidney stones. It isn't easy to deal with those types of problems like you and my son have. Having to not eat cetain foods is really hard since one must have food to live and therefore we often feel somewhat cheated when we have to do without.
---Darlene_1 on 8/16/10


Romans 14:2 "For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs."

The historical context is in a background where meat was being sold in the marketplace, and some of it was possibly sacrificed to idols. Some christians would not eat this meat for fear that it being offered to idols might be unclean.

Corinthians 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

1 Corinthians 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not..

Only that which is sanctified by the word of God should we eat, and we must give thanks for it.

1 Timothy 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
---francis on 8/17/10


A lot of people make a "religion" out of what to eat!
The sign in the Cafe said "Special today- chicken tongues"
"Would you like the special today, sir"? the cook asked.
"No, I never eat anything that comes out of a chicken's mouth!...Do you have any eggs?"
---1st_cliff on 8/16/10


Aka, well said!
---ger.toshav on 8/16/10


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Well, with my gout, there are certain things I should not eat. Oats (including oatmeal and Cheerios), too many other whole grains, beans, and chicken livers are among them.

Faith has nothing to do with it.
---Cluny on 8/16/10


mima, when you are not street preaching, take a nap or read in context. At least, tell us the purpose the at edifies the believer. :

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

---aka on 8/16/10


I personally don't eat pork or anything listed as unclean in scripture. The reason I don't is simple... God knew before he sent Messiah what Messiah's mission would accomplish. If the mission meant an end to Torah, God knowing ahead of time would not have called Torah "everlasting" when he gave it. God doesn't change and he isn't the author of confusion... so everlasting means everlasting in my view. We can sit here and make a list of the many aspects of Torah that we know are still for today. (not making idols, serving only God, not stealing, etc.) Did the nailing of Torah to the cross only rid us of SOME commands? Where do we draw the line and who gets to pick and choose?
Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 8/16/10


mi ma, I eat pork, what does that make me? LOL

I eat all things! Just not worms and bugs or frog legs or the lining of a cow's stomach which is called tripe (my mother eats that).

Bless the food and eat!!!!

People under legalism probably don't eat pork, but I can't resist, so am I in sin?
---Donna5535 on 8/16/10


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Mima oh my goodness,I was so surprised when you asked "Who do you think the person might be?"concerning the one who is weak and ate herbs,at what popped into my head,a Vegetarian. I had never thought of that before. I would have to go on and decide if it means they are weak in faith,for the Bible says 1 Timothy 4:3,5 -meats,which God has created to be received with thanksgiving,of them which believe and know the truth. For it is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer.,or would they be weak in body due to their diet.
---Darlene_1 on 8/16/10


Herbs are vegatables. it is referring to those that can not eat meat for whatever reason.
---Candice on 8/16/10


One instance might be a Muslim or Jew converting to Christianity, who shouldn't be pressured to eat pork.
---ger.toshav on 8/16/10


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