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How did you find your church home where you fellowship and how has it strengthened your walk?

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// christina on 6/24/11 ultimately I am of the body of Christ, and my permanent home is with HIM.//

Amen, it's good to hear someone put more emphasis on the spiritual Church, than on the physical building.
---michael_e on 6/29/11


Since coming to the Lord I have had a couple of church homes, temporary, but ultimately I am of the body of Christ, and my permanent home is with HIM. I've attended many churches of various denominations, and many were spiritually dead, but God in His faithfulness,(in answer to prayer and seeking) has led me to a Spirit filled, Word of God church, where I am taught, grow in the Lord, see others taught and growing in the Lord, Love is evident, as are all the fruits of the Spirit
---christina on 6/24/11


John, I don't know what happen to you at a church but you have a great bias against all churches, but not all churches are bad. I know that and I haven't even gone to all of them so I do not make that judgment as you have. Scripture speaks of how we should edify each other in the church, and how we should treat each other. When you bash all the churches you act as if you have gone to all them and because of your experience everyone should listen to you. No one has gone to all of them. So you could not possibly know that all are bad. Many teach the essentials of the Christian faith, but not every single none essential. If you are saved, you should be edifying the believers in the Truth. Not been one to destroy the gathering of believers.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/11


John-- The description I gave was 100% accurate. And I agree this type of church is uncommon, though not unheard of.

I haven't been to "thousands" of churches but I've been to many. I know your tendency to EXAGGERATE to make an impact, but the church you describe is a CARICATURE...IT does not ACCURATELY represent real churches. Everybody knows that. At least, I hope Christians who have never been to the US, know that too!

I agree that, tragically, very many churches in America are terribly shallow and focus more on entertainment than spiritual things. (But thinking Jesus was some guy who died in the cavalry...you KNOW that's not common..(if true). If you wonder why people don't always believe you...
---Donna66 on 6/20/11


Then God has performed a great miracle, because he has led me to "very rare" ones in California, Colorado, Texas and half a dozen cities.
---Donna66

OR...The Description you gave me was NOT Accurate/Truthful.

Making it the typical Evangelical/Fundi.
THE... "We are a Bible Believing(Except Christmas/Easter is OK!) Active Church... Blah Blah Blah..

SO... STOP BY AND ENJOY THE POTATO SALAD!"

PLEEEEZZZZ!

I've seen Thousands of these EVANGELICAL/FUNDI Churches NOT A ONE is anywhere near G-d.

Enjoy the PORK!
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CLUNY...I am seriously trying to get to an Orthodox Church and see for myself what it is about. I beleive there's a lot for me to learn.
---John on 6/19/11




I am not saying church should not help us, particularly those with serious problems, but isn't the true Christian lifestyle to be one of giving, not receiving.

If we attended church with a giving, serving attitude, rather than a-what can I get out of it?-attitude then we would not be disappointed.

At the church I attend I receive appreciation, friendship, understanding and more. I also have the opportunity to return such treatment. Isn't this the way it should be for Christians?
---Warwick on 6/19/11


John--//Your church sadly is the rare exception and not the norm. VERY RARE, VERY, VERY,
RARE!//
Then God has performed a great miracle, because he has led me to "very rare" ones in California, Colorado, Texas and half a dozen cities.
---Donna66 on 6/19/11


\\BUT....NO G-D THERE!!!
---John on 6/18/11\\

Speak for yourself, John.

Too bad you've never been to an ORTHODOX Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/19/11


Mike--//how do you know if a pastor's INTERPRETATION OF the bible is right, will not cause you to stumble?//

There IS a way to know. It takes a little time and effort, but unless you want to follow after some person telling you what to think and believe all the time... you will do it.

Sit down with your Bible and read it: an easy-to-read translation, if you like. Use a concordance to find key words from a pastors teaching. Then see if the Bible is saying the same thing he is.
Otherwise, you are like someone who claims to know all about the car he just bought...because of what the salesman told him.
---Donna66 on 6/19/11


Maybe I should have looked further when I was trying to find a church for myself...
---Donna66 on 6/19/11

My point exactly!

Is your church what MOST so-called "Christians" do? NO!

Your church sadly is the rare exception and not the norm. VERY RARE, VERY, VERY, RARE!

It should be a description of ALL churches.

So as the Lord said...

When I return will I find The Faith?

The answer sadly is NO.

(But there's plenty of Potato Salad left overs.)
---John on 6/19/11




John-- Wow! All MY church does, is have prayer meetings and Bible studies and worship and praise and sermons! Oh, we collect school supplies and electronics for a school in Nigeria that trains local pastors. And there are local kids, runaways, druggies, we feed (them not us) and teach...but that's just work. Not much FUN.
Maybe I should have looked further when I was trying to find a church for myself...
---Donna66 on 6/19/11


Most of these Social Clubs are very helpful. They have Camping, Lots of Potlucks, Mens Breakfast, Rock Concerts for The Young and lots of activities for the Elderly.

Nice people too! and you don't have to pay dues like other Socials Clubs(I.e. Boyscouts,GirlScouts, Senior Citizens Center, Boy and Girls Club etc.)

Some have a Cross hidden somewhere. I asked and they told me it was some guy that who died in the Cavalry, fighting for Ole Glory against those legalistic Jews. But they couldn't recall His name.

They like driving Buicks!

GOOD APPLE PIES AND POTATO SALADS!

BUT....NO G-D THERE!!!
---John on 6/18/11


thankfull! 100% found my church..it was a Miracle! A friend moved n next door & told me about it..she knew how often I long to be n church (been through so much!) it's close by & the whole church has treated me so wonderfull, I feel like I was born to serve the Lord here! Such Love & such wisdom! I am happy to clean,cut the grass,run errands,play music,help the church family,help the sick.... Paint or do whatever our church needs that I can help! My help comes from the Lord! They know they can count on me! They do not have to give me a dime! Thankyou Lord Jesus!
---ELENA on 6/18/11


I don't have a church building home.
I do belong to the Church the BoC, revealed to the Apostle Paul by the ascended Christ.
---michael_e on 8/30/10


Candice, when I moved to this city, it was hard to find a home Church. I went to many places and most of them were Arminian in their teachings. That is the way it is now. Most protestant Churches are going back to their roots, mans works for salvation. They might not have the same catechisms but teach the same old thing. Some places I went to didn't even teach the word of God and the pastor or teacher called everyone to be saved and they all went forward. By the hundreds, all speaking in gibberish tongues. It was scary, I just walked out. Others spoke about how they could think of methods to save others. Having parties, and then rewarding those who brought more then others. The Spirit was not moving these people, the pastor was.
---MarkV. on 8/21/10


StevenG "So, what you are saying is that the christian life is nothing more than customs and traditions taken from the bible"

First, a Christian life involves following the Tradition of the Apostles (2 Thes 2:15, 1 Cor 11:2, etc) and separating oneself from those who do not (2 Thes 3:6).

Second, we are told to pray without ceasing (2 Thes 5:17) and pray with thanksgiving (Philp 4:16). I pray daily for forgiveness (1 John 1:9) and for the safety of others, especially for those in civil authority (1 Tim 2:1-2). Don't you?

Third, contrary to what you are telling yourself, you DO have your own interpretation of Scriptures. You are just as guilty.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/20/10


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mike: "how do you know if a pastor's INTERPRETATION OF the bible is right, will not cause you to stumble?"

Read the bible from beginning to end. Read it several times if need be. Meditate on the words of God and Christ. As the Hole Ghost for assistance. Then, and only then, have you set a solid foundation in the faith and can tell the false prophets and false teachers from the truth.
---Steveng on 8/19/10


Ignatius: [Steveng] Yes, including yours. You are just as guilty. But you are in denial.., The only difference is that I interpret Holy Scriptures through Apostolic (Holy) Tradition."

So, what you are saying is that the christian life is nothing more than customs and traditions taken from the bible. Is anything in a christian's life the same day in and day out? How can a christian's prayer be the same every day when people's lives and circumstances change every day?

Ignatius: "...so you will never admit that you have traditions/customs."

My working life and my christian life changes every day depending upon the circumstances.
---Steveng on 8/19/10


"If a man only read, studied, and meditated only the Word of God, the bible, without INFECTING HIS MIND W/ OTHER PEOPLE'S interpretations.

how can you not get infected with other interpretation when you are told to OBEY & when you don't get infected you are ACCUSED OF disobedience.

it is the same thing

The world is full of everyone's own interpretations of the bible

how do you know if a pastor's INTERPRETATION OF the bible is right, will not cause you to stumble?
what happened in jonestown & waco tx.
---mike on 8/19/10


"If a man only read, studied, and meditated only the Word of God, the bible, without infecting his mind with other people's interpretations and had no inclination to read the plethora of books and magazines that flood the earth with each author's traditions and interpretations." (Steveng)

And you are a tradition. If you believe that you read the Bible objectively, then you are in denial.

"The world is full of everyone's own interpretations of the bible."

Yes, including yours. You are just as guilty. But you are in denial, so you will never admit that you have traditions/customs. The only difference is that I interpret Holy Scriptures through Apostolic (Holy) Tradition.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/18/10


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Steven G, you should take your own advice. Here is your advice:
"If a man only read, studied, and meditated only the Word of God, the bible, without infecting his mind with other people's interpretations"
You send people to the net to look for help on words, why is that different?
If you only read the Scriptures you would know that God is not a man. He does not run out of patience. He is not defeated. He is Almighty God. You are one of those whose mind has been infected by your own interpretations. You should study the Attributes, character and nature of God first this way you can get acquainted with the God of Scripture. You should join a good teaching church.
---MarkV. on 8/19/10


Ignatius: "Of course, you, StevenG, have your own traditions and interpretation of Scriptures."

If a man only read, studied, and meditated only the Word of God, the bible, without infecting his mind with other people's interpretations and had no inclination to read the plethora of books and magazines that flood the earth with each author's traditions and interpretations.

Where do you suppose that his traditions and interpretations originate?

The world is full of everyone's own interpretations of the bible. I'll just stick with the words of Christ. Colossians 2:8-10
---Steveng on 8/18/10


I don't like to talk "negatively" about churches. However, I was deeply hurt when my ex-wife divorced me after some church counseling. I thought that churches were supposed to HELP people, not HURT them.

Now, I attend a Lutheran church that is loving and accepting of me. The congregation openly praises the Lord in both word and song.

About Mike's "bad" experience with church. You can't let that hinder your walk with the Lord. Forgive the church, and/or people, who hurt you and move on.

The Bible requires us to forgive.
---Augie on 8/18/10


//Perhaps the problem weren't them, but you. You perhaps did not want to hear the Truth.//

sound familiar, mike?

my kid's mom was doing drugs for a year and a half and she was able to convince our bible-believing, rightly-dividing, and distinctly discerning church that something was wrong with me. when they finally acknowledged the truth, they said that she deceived them. more accurately, i think the pastor and his flock let themselves be deceived.

Matthew 7:15 says:
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ironically, I was going to them.
---aka on 8/18/10


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" Many....perform your weekly rituals - stand and sing a hymm, sit then stand and repeat your weekly prayers, sit and listen to a sermon for five minutes, stand and sing a hymm and a small prayer, and then go home. " (Steveng)

Not in Eastern Orthodoxy. Daily prayers, mediation on Holy Scriptures, the lives of the Saints, the writings of the Early Church Fathers, the spiritual councils of Holy Elders on Mount Athos (and elsewhere), among other things, are essentially part of Orthodoxy and are encourage. Although I will say that not all do it.

Being a good Christians once a week is not on the Orthodox menu.

Of course, you, StevenG, have your own traditions and interpretation of Scriptures.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/18/10


How they feel about the building, the rituals, the traditions, the ways of living, and the interpretations of the Bible of their denomination can be very helpful to some people. I have no objections to those things. If some Christians don't like them, that's okay too. Different strokes for different folks!
---ger.toshav on 8/17/10


I prayed for God to correct me so I am obedient to Him, so He could connect me with whoever He has approved to be a pastor (Hebrews 13:5). And then I started to fit in better with a Jesus-Bible church I knew. And one woman could just talk with me for a few minutes, and I would be ministered more into the pureness and beauty of the Holy Spirit's love so I would be better spiritually for serving and sharing, that Sunday. So, she's a true helpmate . . . who can help me, like that. And her husband is a leader who can see through me and tell me what I need, along with another guy in our men's midweek get-together. So, I have people who are examples for me, of how to be in love and to be real with God.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/17/10


"How did you find your church home?" In 1987 I wrote to about twenty pastors listing some of my personal concerns. About five wrote back saying I wasn't welcome at their churches. One wrote back inviting me for a chat. I went, and it was a match. We've been there ever since.
---ger.toshav on 8/17/10


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You who say they enjoy their church enjoy it not because of God, but how you feel about the building, the rituals, the traditions, the ways of living, and the interpretations of the bible of that particular denomination. Many go to their denominational church once a week and perform your weekly rituals - stand and sing a hymm, sit then stand and repeat your weekly prayers, sit and listen to a sermon for five minutes, stand and sing a hymm and a small prayer, and then go home. The true church is neither a building nor a non-profit corporation. The true church is the christians themselves - the bride of Christ, not the building. The christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational churches.
---Steveng on 8/17/10


"how can a church help when you are bombarded by accusations like 'ye lack faith', 'that is not biblical' or 'that is a sin'" (mike)

Perhaps the problem weren't them, but you. You perhaps did not want to hear the Truth.

There are times when I lack faith or commit a sin, and I thank God that I have a loving and patience parish Priest and God-Parent (I usually count his wife a "God-parent" even though technically she isn't, she do give me good advice, etc), who notice it, give spiritual wisdom and helped me when I struggle in the Faith.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/17/10


My parish Church is so wonderful. Every Divine Liturgy, I experienced God. I love the chants, scriptura readings, the litanies, incense, etc. When I Priest recite the Prayer of the Trisagion or the Cherubic Hymn, I am filled with awe for God. Only one who is Orthodox know how I feel

I love my Parish Priest. He is loving, patience, and He (and his wife) are filled with spiritual wisdom. I also thank God for my God-Parents, so saintly in their words and actions.

As many of the Saints have told us, the Church is a hospital for those who are spiritually ill and they receive medications (through the Holy Mystery of Confession and the Sacred Eucharist) to cure him or her.

I thank God everyday for my Parish.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/17/10


NO

not only that it did not help me. it add more weight, more bondage & stumbling block.

how can a church help you when you are bombarded by quotes & they expect that answers will happen in 1 day.

how can a church help when you are bombarded by accusations like 'ye lack faith', 'that is not biblical' or 'that is a sin'
---mike on 8/17/10


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I thank God for my parish church every day.

It's the healthiest spiritual environment I've ever known.
---Cluny on 8/17/10


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