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Muslim Mosque By Ground Zero

What do you think about a muslim mosque being built next to ground zero? I am amazed that it could even be considered.
Jim

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Cluny and strongax, Sure I can. I have the complete liberty to use the courts. And I deal in facts, not feelings.
---Eloy on 8/23/10


\\strongax, freedom is not license for slander and sedition. On this blog the guilty have lied and said that the Good Christian President is a muslim and sympathizes with the murdering muslims on 911 and that he should be impeached, that qualifies for a law suit against the offenders.
\\

You don't actually think you could enter such a suit, do you, Eloy? You'd have to prove how you'd been personally harmed by such remarks.

\\where Americans were killed by muslims, that that does not mean that he thinks that they should.\\

He has also said he refuses to comment about the propriety of building it.

No one is denying their right under the Constitution to build it.
---Cluny on 8/23/10


Eloy:

I agree with you that Barack Obama is not a Muslim (and is American and not Kenyan), and that others have been slandering him by saying so. I have said so repeated only on these blogs.

Slander and libel are serious issues (as well as being prohibited by the Ten Commandments, "thou shalt not bear false witness"). However, whenever it's a matter of "he said"/"she said", it usually becomes a matter for courts to decide, and in the case of slander and libel, it's a civil matter, not a criminal matter like sedition or treason.
---StrongAxe on 8/23/10


Axey: Although only the US Congress has the athority to make a formal declaration of war, this has happened only four times in our history. All of our wars since WWII (Korea, Viet Nam, Gulf War, Iraq, Afganistan) have lacked this declaration, yet we fight them with the de facto approval of the Congress by their authorization of funding. We have funded a War on Cancer, why not a War on Terror?
---jerry6593 on 8/23/10


strongax, freedom is not license for slander and sedition. On this blog the guilty have lied and said that the Good Christian President is a muslim and sympathizes with the murdering muslims on 911 and that he should be impeached, that qualifies for a law suit against the offenders.
---Eloy on 8/22/10




President Barak Obama said that just because the muslim's have the liberty to build a mosque, that building a muslim mosque close to the world trade center, where Americans were killed by muslims, that that does not mean that he thinks that they should.
---Eloy on 8/22/10


Slander, defamation and sedition, is not legal opinion, nor is it legal nor is it upheld by the constitution.
---Eloy on 8/22/10


Eloy:

Saying someone should be impeached is a legal opinion (whose validity would be determined either at a trial itself, or during the pre-trial process itself, i.e. congress refusing to take such spurious charges seriously).

As far as your suing the person making such accusations - even if such a suit would be warranted, you personally would not have legal standing to make such a lawsuit unless you were the injured party (i.e. the president) or you could prove that your own personal interests were directly affected (which is unlikely). So Obama could sue him, but you or I couldn't.
---StrongAxe on 8/22/10


strongax, expressing dislike is not the same thing as bearing false witness and saying a person is a muslim and sympathizes with the muslims who murdered people in the world trade center, and that he should be impeached, indeed not only is this slander, but also it is sedition mounting to insurrection, and it is also slander against the Americans. Perhaps I will find out whom it is that is bad-mouthing the President and take out a law suit myself against them. The public words are witnessed on this site for all, and for the courts for evidence. I am more than ready to defend the Christian President and the Christians in this country, and sue every slanderer for defamation and get a precedent started to hold them accountable for this offense.
---Eloy on 8/22/10


Eloy:

Regarding hatred and slander: Freedom of belief and speech and expression are considered paramont in the United States. There are already laws against slander and libel (which are civil crimes), which have civil monetary penalties. Deporting someone for such a crime (especially a citizen) goes way beyond what the constitution would require (let alone allow).

It would also be troubling if criticism of the president could be considered tantamount to treason - one could stretch that to the Communist extreme of saying "if you vote against the president, you're a traitor". We even had a taste of that in 2001-2002 when anyone even slightly critical of Bush's "war on terror" was called a traitor.
---StrongAxe on 8/22/10




MarkV "They want a new system of life, they should go to the United Kingdom and live there, where they can embarrase a socialist system"

Fortunately, our present government is seeking to move back from State intervention and control, so hopefully we will in due course have less of the utter wastefulness that socialism brings

Socialism is good in theory, but it doesn't work in practice.

But interestingly with regard to the banking system, the socialsit government removed regulation, letting the bankers have full reign to their greed, and this led to our current economic woes.
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/22/10


jerry6593:

Under the U.S. Constitution, the President has no authority to declare war. Only Congress does. And no such declaration has ever been made against "terror".


Eloy:

You are absolutely right: Galatians 5:22-23:
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
Patience (i.e. longsuffering) is one of the fruits of the Spirit. So those who have no patience need to cultivate more spiritual fruit in their lives.
---StrongAxe on 8/22/10


Jerry, I have to agree with you with what you have said. I agree with John and a few others and completely disagree with Eloy. He wants those who disagree to leave the country. How nice of him. Just because someone disagrees with him they are not saved, now he tells everyone who doesn't like what the president is doing to leave the country. What about everyone who believes in what the president is doing leave the country? How about that? They want a new system of life, they should go to the United Kingdom and live there, where they can embarrase a socialist system. Or how about to an Abrab country and see how they do things there if they love that system of living. I will pick up a collection for their tickets.
---MarkV. on 8/22/10


Eloy: We haven't had a "good president of America" since Ronald Reagan. Obama is the worst president ever.

Cluny: Like I said, the NY Imam who wants to desecrate ground zero with his hate center was paid by Obama to travel to the middle east to meet with his Hamas buddies. And yes, we are still at war with Muslim Terrorists. Get a clue, will you. This joker is not on our side.
---jerry6593 on 8/21/10


\\Obama should be impeached for treason ... for aiding and abetting the enemy (Muslim terrorists) in the time of war.\\

But the USA is not at war with Islam as such.

Which mahometan terrorists has Obama aided and abetted?

Give their names, please.
---Cluny on 8/21/10


strongax, But not many complainers have the patience to wait 2 years and 2 months to vote again, for many complainers cannot even wait an hour. And even if they do vote again for another candidate of their own choice, they most likely will continue their complaining because that is their nature, unhappy and ungrateful creatures.
---Eloy on 8/21/10


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jerry6593, I really think that those whom express hatred for and speak slander against the good President of America should be fined for their first offense, and then the second offense they should be deported out of America with no license permitted to ever re-enter.
---Eloy on 8/21/10


Axey: I agree. Obama should be impeached for treason ... for aiding and abetting the enemy (Muslim terrorists) in the time of war. The NY Imam whom Obama sponsors has ties to Hamas, a terrorist organization. Pres. Bush declared war on terror. Until the terrorists surrender and sign a peace treaty, we are still at war. It's easy to see which side Obama is on.
---jerry6593 on 8/21/10


Cluny:

Exactly. Impeachment invokes a trial before the senate. Much like a court-martial, conviction isn't a foregone conclusion (although such actions aren't generally brought unless the infractions are severe, and those bringing such actions believe that they have a reasonable chance of success).

And yes, once you have elected someone to federal office, you're pretty much stuck with them for their term, except by extreme measures (impeachment, assassination, coup, etc.). Or you could just ask nicely (or not so nicely) for them to resign.
---StrongAxe on 8/20/10


\\Impeachment is a mechanism for removing an official from office for treason and high crimes. It is not a mechanism for "buyer's remorse" - that is, removing somebody after you decide no longer like him.\\

Technically, impeachment is the charge that an elected officer has committed crimes worthy of removal from office.

We have had two presidents impeached. They were tried on the impeachments, but not convicted.

The mechanism for "buyer's remorse" is the recall, and many state and local governments have provisions for this, but there is none for federal office.
---Cluny on 8/20/10


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And your point is...........
Cluny

The point is you indentify peoples true allegance and believes by the company they honor. You go to an Orthodox Church we assume you are Orthodox.
Can you also be there for other reason? Maybe, but highly doubtful.

I prefer to keep both my eyes open, because "birds of the same feather stick together" (Nazi, Moslem, or Othodox)

Or do you prefer these addicts...
SEE NO EVIL
HEAR NO EVIL
SPEAK NO EVIL
---John on 8/20/10


I only hope and pray Americans will not be taken in. Not everyone who says, "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of God". But, only those people who will do the will of my Father". Out great God>>>JESUS CHRIST said it. And He said it so well. Thank you. Have a good weekend A++
---catherine on 8/20/10


JOHN:

Impeachment is a mechanism for removing an official from office for treason and high crimes. It is not a mechanism for "buyer's remorse" - that is, removing somebody after you decide no longer like him.

Even if the President had done something as distasteful as making his inaugural interview with the KKK or the Nazi party, that would not be grounds for impeachment, unless he broke some specific U.S. law to do so.

Of course, while an official's distasteful actions may not be grounds for impeachment, they can certainly dissuade people from relecting him. So feel free to be patient for two years and two months, and then exercise your civil rights at the polls.
---StrongAxe on 8/20/10


\\No Cluny he can speak to whom ever he wishes.

----snip-----

Of course there would!
---JOHN on 8/20/10\\

And your point is...........

Speaking to mahometans is not a "high crime and misdemeanor" under the Constitution warranting impeachment, trial, and conviction.

Nor is your scenario involving Klan and Nazis.

Stupid, yes. Illegal, no.
---Cluny on 8/20/10


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No Cluny he can speak to whom ever he wishes.

Just as the Moslems can build their mosque where they want (within the laws)

But if a White president made his inaugural interview with the KKK and the Nazi party.

Will there be any doubts about who he allies with. Would their be an uproar for impeachment?

Of course there would!
---JOHN on 8/20/10


Catherine, A-men. People always complaining, but they do nothing to help alleviate their complaints. To the complainers, Do you have any helpful suggestions for our President to help our country? if so, write him a letter and tell him. If not, that shut the lip, and cointinue to thank our God that the preferred candidate won the electorial position. And if you really are that unhappy here, leave. Go to some other country and there perhaps all your complaining will be heard by someone, but as long as you are here either participate in the state of the union's well-being, or stop complaining, or else call: 1-800-who-cares.
---Eloy on 8/20/10


What's next? Will we be hearing that President Obama is one of the Learned Elders of Zion? As Hitler wrote, if you repeat a lie long enough, it will be believed...
---ger.toshav on 8/20/10


Those towers were taken down in the name of Islam.They represented everything Islam hates. Now, they want to build a mosque on the very site?!

This sounds very familiar.

They took down the temple in Jerusalem and then built a mosque on it's site.

People wake upo and see what the enemy is doing.

I don't have problem with them practicing their right to religion or them building a new mosque. Just not there. That is an insult to those who died there.
---ginger on 8/20/10


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".... DO YOU REALLY DOUBT WHO HE ALLIES WITH???"
JOHN on 8/19/10
I know that he said in a televised speech that he would not side with anyone against the Muslims. He proved that with his stand against a police department and officer doing their duty and now the issue in New York.
He is faithful just not to the USA.
---Elder on 8/20/10


John:

The Kenya birth certificate has been shown to be a crude forgery.
1) Kenya used different forms at that time
2) Form referred to not-yet-formed political divisions (like coins dated "5 B.C.")
3) Kenya had no officials matching names on the form.
4) Form is a doctored copy of an actual birth certifiate of a man currently living in Australia, and the names DO match Australian officials.

All U.S. legal authorities involved have agreed the Hawaii certificate is genuine. Anyone who wished to challenge this, and had ACTUAL evidence, could have done so. But so far, nobody has. So why don't you do what actual U.S. Law requires, and just accept the decisions of courts and authorities involved, and give it a rest?
---StrongAxe on 8/20/10


\\His first public interview(Traditionally was suppose to be with one of the American Networks) was to Al Jerzzer in the Middle East.\\

Where did you get this useful tidbit, John?

Are you saying he was NOT supposed to speak to Al Jezzer?
---Cluny on 8/20/10


I do not understand why Americans votes in a man to office the highest in the land, then cry about it. Well, he's this, or well, maybe he's that. How come you didn't ask these questions before you elected him to office? Now, it's too late. Perhaps a lot of damage has been done to our nation. Why do you vote because he looks good, talks good, makes great speeches. And we just know he is going to do good toward us. Why don't Americans judge a man by other criteria, like does the living God live in him, because if God lives in him then God will help us. Ah Jesus.
---catherine on 8/20/10


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His first public interview(Traditionally was suppose to be with one of the American Networks) was to Al Jerzzer in the Middle East. He first spoke to the Muslim world in the Middle East even before he spoke to America. DO YOU REALLY DOUBT WHO HE ALLIES WITH???

OBAMA(AKA: BARRY SOETORO) WAS BORN IN KENYA, IS A "MOSLEM" CITIZEN OF INDONESIA, AND IS IN THE USA ILLEGALLY!!!
---JOHN on 8/19/10


NurseRobert, part 2 of 2: "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission." Qur'an 9:29. "But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted, And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning." Qur'an 22:19-22.
---Eloy on 8/20/10


President Barak Obama professes to be Christian, and was baptized in the early 1990s at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. "It is a precept of my Christian faith that my redemption comes through Christ, but I am also a big believer in the Golden Rule, which I think is an essential pillar not only of my faith but of my values and my ideals and my experience here on Earth. Barak says, "what was intellectual and what was emotional joined, and the belief in the redemptive power of Jesus Christ, that he died for our sins, that through him we could achieve eternal lifebut also that, through good works we could find order and meaning here on Earth and transcend our limits and our flaws and our foiblesI found that powerful."
---Eloy on 8/20/10


President Barak Obama professes to be Christian, and was baptized in the early 1990s at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. "It is a precept of my Christian faith that my redemption comes through Christ, but I am also a big believer in the Golden Rule, which I think is an essential pillar not only of my faith but of my values and my ideals and my experience here on Earth. Barak says, "what was intellectual and what was emotional joined, and the belief in the redemptive power of Jesus Christ, that he died for our sins, that through him we could achieve eternal life but also that, through good works we could find order and meaning here on Earth and transcend our limits and our flaws and our foibles- I found that powerful."
---Eloy on 8/20/10


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\\Have you seen him making the hajj to Mecca?
.. Muslims consider DC, New York, Chicago and other places as Mecca, so yea I have.\\

As I've said, Muslims consider MECCA to be their Mecca. How they they fulfill the religious exercises of the pilgrimage, such as going around the Kaaba, in cities (such as Chi, DC, or NY) where there IS no such structure?

You might want to look up "Mecca" in a good encyclopedia.

As for the rest, you admit you have no evidence.

I'm not going to deny the possibility that Obama is our first post-Christian president, but there's no hard evidence he's a Muslim.
---Cluny on 8/19/10


As for Obama being a Christian: He may consider himself a Christian. But I recall the report of his comment during the campaign against people clinging to their faith and their guns.

Of the good people I know whose works show Christian faith -- none of them would speak so against faith.

As to the question of whether Obama's claim of being a Christian is merely shallow or downright deceptive (he is, after all, a politician and practiced at claiming to be what he thinks the voters want to hear) I'm not sure we can know. But in practical terms how much difference is there? He mocks people of deep faith. And tries to set the government up to replace God in many categories.
---Lorin_Lund on 8/19/10


Just Indisputable Facts: It is documented
that, as a boy in Indonesia, Obama learned
everything about Islam in practice! If I
could get my hands on the Full Original news
videotape NBC has in its archives, I could
prove to everyone that when President Obama
gave his speech to the Muslims in Egypt he
plainly said, in both English and Arabic, he
is a fellow Muslim, who was raised to be a
devout Muslim as a child! I said NBC simply
because the whole world knows all of NBC's
news reporters and its owner are Democrats.
I would Love to hang him with their rope,
But they might Refuse to provide the proof!
---Leslie on 8/19/10


Amid all the phone calls that he has been receiving, about whether or not he is a Muslim, he has proclaimed that he is Christian. While this is an complement of our faith, he is only, as so many are doing now days, wearing the Christian label. It takes a lot more more than that to be a true born-again Christian. "He does not wear his religion upon his sleeve", so the media said. Anyone, who truly has the living God living in them, well, it will show. Especially, if the person in question is trying to lead our country. I do not mean that one must go around preaching all day long, carrying their Bibles under their arms. But, there has to be evidence, besides just saying, "I am a Christian. Isn't everybody, now a days?
---catherine on 8/19/10


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To answer these silly questions,
Have you seen Obama praying 5 times a day towards Mecca--and in Arabic?
Have you seen him avoid alcoholic beverages? (As a matter of fact, he has been seen publicly drinking them.)
..Not all Muslims do this
Have you seen him avoid eating pork?
.. Never seen him eat so he must not, huh?
He owns a dog (and a black one), which is forbidden in mahometanism.
..No he doesn't. His children do.
Have you seen him making the hajj to Mecca?
.. Muslims consider DC, New York, Chicago and other places as Mecca, so yea I have.
His school records and book said he was. So what happened to change his mind and when?
I've also seen his attitude towards the Muslim agenda.
---Elder on 8/19/10


cluny...if it quacks like a duck....it is probably a duck.
---JIM on 8/19/10


I have prayed to God that it never happens. People act crazy these days. This nation is all about freedom, yet they are too afraid to speak out and voice their real feelings and opinions and work for what they beleive. Any protest they make, they think they have to gauze it up like cotton candy. This nation is a Christian nation, not a Moslem nation, not a Buddhist nation, nor of any pagan religion. This nation was founded on the Christian religion and on Christin principles. Furthermore, Washington, Jefferson and Madison, for example professed a belief in God and Jesus Christ. God will judge this nation.
---Betty on 8/19/10


It has nothing to do with "freedom of religion". 3,000 people died that day at the hand of the Muslim extremest. God has already said to me and I quote Him, "it makes me ill". When God gets ill, WATCH OUT! The Muslims are just throwing their religion in our faces.....For God's people>>>you in noway never do God's holy name wrong. In no way, shape, or form. You obey God. It does not mean to be as the hypocrites, "Well, hello brother. God loves you. Pleeeease. Sometimes I feel God's anger inside of me. As I have already explained on another blog.
---catherine on 8/19/10


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//Once again Muslims thumb their nose at others feelings showing plainly they care little or nothing about anyone who isn't Muslim.//

Our govt is thumbing their nose at us. this would not happen if it were not by design.
---aka on 8/19/10


\\(I'm of the opinion that the present president is a Moslem)\\

Where is your evidence, mima?

Have you seen Obama praying 5 times a day towards Mecca--and in Arabic?

Have you seen him avoid alcoholic beverages? (As a matter of fact, he has been seen publicly drinking them.)

Have you seen him avoid eating pork?

He owns a dog (and a black one), which is forbidden in mahometanism.

Have you seen him making the hajj to Mecca?

How about fasting during Ramadan?

Do you have ANY solid evidence at all? If you do, give it.

Otherwise, opinions are like the gluteus maximus. Everybody's got one, and they are all full of the same stuff.
---Cluny on 8/19/10


I don't think it should be built out of respect for all those who lost loved ones in 9/11. It will always be a reminder of the pain of that day. Once again Muslims thumb their nose at others feelings showing plainly they care little or nothing about anyone who isn't Muslim. A religion which teaches its followers to convet Christians or kill them can't be expected to be full of compassion when they aren't taught equality between people.
---Darlene_1 on 8/19/10


Placing a mosque by Ground Zero is almost as thoughtless as placing a Catholic convent in Auschwitz. The convent was placed there, but later removed after much protest...
---ger.toshav on 8/18/10


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atheist, Sinners lack discernement and misjudge, desiring Christians to be door mats for them to wipe their feet on, saying, "I destroyed your property, I murdered your family, now love me in return." Nope, God is not mocked: for whatsoever you sow you will surely reap. The Bible says, Be slow to anger, Not Do not be angry. Unjustifiable hate is sin, but righteous hatred with just cause is righteous judgment. If a wicked person murders your family, it is sin to approve of them, and say, "Murderer, I love you for this, come and kill more of us and I will have more love and forgiveness for you." God forbid! For if you pick up the sword, then you will also perish by the sword: and what you sow is what you will surely reap.
---Eloy on 8/19/10


atheist, Sinners lack discernment and misjudge, desiring Christians to be door mats for them to wipe their feet on, saying, "I destroyed your property, I murdered your family, now love me in return." Nope, God is not mocked: for whatsoever you sow you will surely reap. The Bible says, Be slow to anger, Not Do not be angry. Unjustifiable hate is sin, but righteous hatred with just cause is righteous judgment. If a wicked person murders your family, it is sin to approve of them, and say, "Murderer, I love you for this, come and kill more of us and I will have more love and forgiveness for you." God forbid! For if you pick up the sword, then you will also perish by the sword: and what you sow is what you will surely reap.
---Eloy on 8/19/10


NurseRobert, part 1 of 2: Christianity in the New Testament promotes love, to love the stranger, and to love our enemies: but the Koran is the complete opposite and advocates the killing of infidels: "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land." Qur'an 5:33. "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." Qur'an 9:5.
---Eloy on 8/19/10


Pastor Jim it is NOT the governments responsibility to rebuild a church.
---NurseRobert on 8/18/10
Except for Moslems and their Emons who Obama's Regime would gladly pay for his plane trip to the Middle East.

Interesting you quote the 1st amendment when it applies to your causes. An Amendment your Marxist regime disdains along with the 2nd amendment. An amendment that the Obama admin try all it could to eliminate in the case of the free speech of any right wing talk show hosts.

Tell me Nurse where is the 1st amendment of the 3000 people who were silenced by these very same Moslems who are erecting a Victory Memorial to their deaths!!!

Can you"Speak" Christianing in Moslem countries and live???
---John on 8/19/10


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The most surprising thing for us where we live is the amount of churches being sold to sikhs and are turned into temples. This is happening at an alarming rate.

I served on jury service serveral years ago and listened as the judge told a muslim woman that herHoly Quran was a holy book wrapped in a protective clothbag for her and ''rightly to be respected'' while the Holy Bible was clearly displayed on the desks without an ounce of recognition of the Law surrounding it's never mind giving it any type of protective covering, YET We judge each case by Christian values?
---Carla on 8/19/10


i have a friend who grew up in Egypt. He is Coptic. When the Muslims come to a Christian-based church, the Muslims get their praise on by killing the whole congregation. otherwise, Muslims do not attend. it is protected by the govt (who are Muslim), so it is 'legal'.
---aka on 8/19/10


I think it serves to show Obama for the Muslim he is. Maybe one day we'll actually get to see his birth certificate.
---jerry6593 on 8/19/10


I also don't understand WHY they want to build a community center/mosque so close to ground zero.
---Augie on 8/18/10

Simple. The Moslem community wants to "mark" that area as being claimed for: the fairy tale kingdom, cult, false religion, etc. of Islam.

Moslems attempt to build on important sites. They expand their religion through population growth. Their goal is to spread out, and eventually conquer, the Earth.

One of my favorite examples is the country of Turkey. Back in the Apostle Paul's time, Turkey was called Asia Minor. It was the center of Christianity. The Moslem population increased and Turkey is now an Islamic stronghold. Today, it is illegal to even preach Christianity.
---Sag on 8/19/10


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Sag, would you like Moslems to come to your church, start chanting their heads off and try to convert your church?
---NurseRobert on 8/18/10

Moslems live by the Koran, which commands them to "spread the word by the sword". Well, the 9/11 attacks didn't seem to make many converts.

I have had to deal with Moslems "washing their hands, feet, and heads" in public restrooms. And praying/chanting on public sidewalks.

If Moslems want to come to my church, they are welcome. However, Moslems believe in "population growth" and conquering areas. I have never met a Moslem that openly preached to me about converting to Islam. I doubt that Moslems would ever come to my church.
---Sag on 8/18/10


If they want to build a mosque, that is their perfect, legal, RIGHT. That doesn't make it "pleasing to God". Quite the opposite.

I feel sorry for all the people who are going to be "brain washed" into thinking/believing all the lies about Islam, Mohammed, Allah, etc.

Most of us know what will happen to folks who don't acknowledge God. I know from witnessing that Moslems somehow think that they are "immune" from going to hell for failing to believe in GOD.

I don't understand Moslems' foolish thinking there. I also don't understand WHY they want to build a community center/mosque so close to ground zero.

---Augie on 8/18/10


Cluny.. Saudi Arabia doesnt have a constitution that guarantees freedom of religion so your analogy doenst hold water.

Eloy, which of the people who worshipped at this mosque murdered someone? Do you have info the rest of us dont?

Lawrence, your comment is so ridiculous it doesnt deserve a response.

Mima, where is your proof he is a Moslem?

Sag, would you like Moslems to come to your church, start chanting their heads off and try to convert your church?

Pastor Jim it is NOT the governments responsibility to rebuild a church.

All you good Americans should read the 1st Amendment.
---NurseRobert on 8/18/10


I am woundering what kind of a response this will get from the readers. If it is built, would someone blow it up? What would the muslim community do? Imagine the muslims standing and watching 3,000 people die, some jumping to their death, having some 300 imans running into the mosque up the stairs with fire extinguishers to save some lives and then the building comes tumbling down on the. They would be crying and then on TV they show that there are some people standing, shouting and cheering that the mosque is taken down...Wonder what would happen???
Jim
---Jim on 8/18/10


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To even consider building a mosque anywhere in NYC is an insult to those killed, injured or helped in the clean-up/restoration of the damaged buildings.
---wivv on 8/18/10


Cuny, for goodness sakes no one hates anyone. We, Christians want to be treated with fairness. As Mima pointed out, we do worship the one true God. It just seems to me as if the Muslims are getting more respect than God or His true people. We are only speaking up, which is our God-given right.
---catherine on 8/18/10


\\NOTE: NYC refused to REBUILD the Orthodox Church that was destroyed in 911
---John on 8/18/10\\

Actually, John, the land that St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church stood upon before 9/11 was swapped for a site a block or two away.

There is the money to rebuild it, provided mostly by the parishioners with donations from other interested persons.

However, I will admit that St. Nicholas seems to be hitting all sorts of obstacles--while the mosque is being fast tracked.
---Cluny on 8/18/10


All of this support for the muslim mosque didn't work in the state of Virginia. A Christian Ministry wanted to build a ministry in an abandoned shopping mall. The state stopped it.
It is up to the New York state government to stop this if they want. It would normally be done when the public is against something like this.
This issue is deeper than the public sees.
---Elder on 8/18/10


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Actually the proposed mosque (in truth, not a mosque but a community center with chapel attached) is two good New York blocks AWAY from Ground Zero, with tall buildings between the proposed site and the former site of the twin towers.

However, as one TV commentator said, nobody is denying the constitutional right to build there. It's perfectly legal.

But by the same token, it's generally not against the law to be an obnoxious weenie, either.

But just because something is legal doesn't mean it SHOULD be done, or is in the best taste, etc.
---Cluny on 8/18/10


Seems like most of you have your Christian hate on. So much for the prince of peace...
---atheist on 8/18/10

Righteous Hate is not evil. So don't attempt to Neuter us with you Satanic Liberal Religion accusations!

This is NOT a Mosque, but a Monument of conquest honoring the attack of 911 that killed 3000 and devastated their families! It is a Moslem decree to build Mosque on areas they conquered (i.e. The rock of Dome on the Temple Mount).
NOTE: They refused to even discuss it. There are over 300 Mosques in NYC and this area has NO Muslim residence to service.

NOTE: Moslems BAN nonMoslems from the cities of Mecca and Jeddah. (HATE???)

NOTE: NYC refused to REBUILD the Orthodox Church that was destroyed in 911
---John on 8/18/10


Because many of you remain brainwashed or have lost your mind, in the future, you will not have to lose your head or life for the sake of Christ.

On Earth, the underworld has been trying to undermine Jesus since the time of Eden. Two kingdoms have been battling for thousands of years, and you are still stuck on nationalism of 200 years.

We keep saying that we are a "christian" nation. Of all the scriptures that are insribed in the walls of govt buildings in DC, how many quote Christ or the Apostles?

I have news for you...this is not a Jesus Christ the Messiah fearing nation. It is a "God" fearing nation and we all see how many different ways "God" and "Jesus" are defined on here.
---aka on 8/18/10


From what I've heard on the news, the Museum Mosque WILL be built. It's legal because we live in a FREE country and there is FREEDOM of religion.

I'd like to visit the new Mosque once it is completed. Hope I'm welcome. Once I get in, I'll just pray and sing my heart out.

This will PROVE whether or not there is really FREEDOM of religion. If I can FREELY practice my Christianity. My goal would be to "convert" some Moslems to Christianity.

The Bible says to do just that in Matthew 28:19 --

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

What a great opportunity to "spread the gospel"!
---Sag on 8/18/10


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The muslam, hindu, the atheist etc, we love these people, it's against God for what they are doing.
---Lawrence on 8/18/10


Seems like most of you have your Christian hate on. So much for the prince of peace...
---atheist on 8/18/10


Islam is a cancer on the world. Their God is not our God. Historically the Islamic religion has always spread by the sword.
This building is to be an affront to Christianity not accidentally but with intent. A study of Islam will bring a person to the point of intolerance. Because we lacked strong leadership that will take strong decisive action (I'm of the opinion that the present president is a Moslem) Islam will continue to rub the rest of the world the wrong way. I see no area of agreement with Islam and I believe God is displeased with our lack of action against Islam. Perfect opportunity for action was given to us when terror struck us on 9/11!!!
---mima on 8/18/10


I am glad that someone brought this up! Our government is preaching freedom of religion, yet for God's true people they make laws to hurt His people. All I can say about this, is, for our government to completely lay off God's people, when we are out and about preaching and praying and witnessing, you know, obeying God. We wouldn't want to go down as an hypocritical nation, now, would we?
---catherine on 8/18/10


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If pres Obama had his way, there would be a mus - mosque right dead center there where the tr - centers were. No doubt that he would be with there with the m - leaders dancing around it showing his ungodly arrogance all night.
---Lawrence on 8/18/10


It is inconsiderate mockery, they have committed mass murder, and then they have the audacity to build a trophy next to their crime. They should be sued in court for all the horrendous property damage and losses of life, and now for defamation. It would be like me killing all your family and destroying your house and then building my own house next to yours which I have obilterated.
---Eloy on 8/18/10


If you want to see how tolerant and understanding mahometanism is, try building a Christian cathedral in Mecca.
---Cluny on 8/18/10


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