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Faith Of Jesus Christ

The apostle Paul over six times uses the expression" the FAITH of Jesus Christ". What is the faith of Jesus Christ? And is it important for Christians to understand what the faith of Jesus Christ is?

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What some of our trinitarian friends apparently don't know about the history of the doctrine they attempt to defend.

The Athanasian Creed (381ce) for the first time described the three-in-one trinity. In part it says:

"He that will be saved let him think upon the trinity."

But is also says:

"Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly."

Get thee to a confessional!
---scott on 8/9/11


"EVEN the Catholics DO NOT believe that they and they alone are the vehicle for God's salvation." Marc

Sorry, but you are mistaken. Please see the posts below.

Thanks for another opportunity to clarify.
---scott on 8/9/11


"These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called "Churches" in the proper sense." Pope Benedict XVI

"Catholic Church only true church, Vatican says".

"The Vatican issued a document Tuesday restating its belief that the Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ."

"The 16-page document was prepared by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, a doctrinal watchdog that Pope Benedict used to head."

CBC News World, Tuesday, July 10, 2007
---scott on 8/9/11


"There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved." Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.

"We declare...and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff." Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.

"None...existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics...can have a share in life eternal...they will go into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her, ...No one...be saved, unless he remain within the bosom...of the Catholic Church. Pope Eugene IV, Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.
---scott on 8/8/11


Scott, the disagreement regards whether the WTS considers itself God's sole representative on earth. The quote supplied by Marc, which you ignore says: ''After cleansing those belonging to this house Jehovah poured out his spirit upon them and assigned them the responsibility of serving as HIS SOLE VISIBLE CHANNEL, THROUGH WHOM ALONE SPIRITUAL INSTRUCTION WAS TO COME....[you] must recognise and accept this appointment of the ''faithful and discreet slave'' and BE SUBMISSIVE TO IT.'' (Watchtower, 10/1/67, p. 590)

The Watchtower quote plainly says the WTS considers itself God's sole representative on earth.

The Anglican quote said nothing like this.

Stop avoiding the facts.
---Warwick on 8/8/11




"You're will not admit that.." Marc (2)

While ithe Watchtower has the highest circulation of any magazine in the world and has championed God's Kingdom since 1879, keep in mind that it's writers have said:

"We have not the gift of prophecy." (January 1883, page 425)

"Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible." (December 15, 1896, page 306)

[Though some have Jehovahs spirit that] "does not mean those now serving as Jehovahs witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes." (May 15, 1947, page 157)

Continued
---scott on 8/8/11


"You're will not admit that.."(1)

Admit what? What I have said in response is in harmony with:

"Jehovahs Witnesses think that they have found the true religion. If they did not think so, they would change their beliefs. Like adherents of many religious faiths, Jehovahs Witnesses hope to be saved. However, they also believe that it is not their job to judge who will be saved. Ultimately, God is the Judge. He decides. Isaiah 33:22...

...Jehovahs Witnesses believe that God saves only those who exercise faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus and closely follow Jesus teachings. Acts 4:10-12." Watchtower 2008, 11/1, pg 28

Thanks for the opportunity to clear this up for you.
---scott on 8/8/11


"You're will not admit that.." Marc (3)

"The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic." (WT August 15, 1950, page 263)

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. (Prov. 4:18)" WT February 15, 1981, page 19.

Salvation comes through faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
The Watchtower magazine is...well...a magazine that does it's best to champion scriptural truth about Jesus Christ and Jehovah God and the Kingdom.
---scott on 8/8/11


char, Thank you for your posts. I started to copy/paste some, with an amen, then saw there was more, and more...I hope to be back soon with comments, maybe questions.
---chria9396 on 8/8/11


//You can add the Orthodox church which also believes they are the only true church, as someone on this blog site often suggests.// ---willa5568 on 8/7/11

no...as i recall that person states that his organization predates second generation denominational churches, and that his church comes directly from one of the original churches set up outside of Israel.

there is a difference.
---aka on 8/7/11




The Anglican church says it has the one true faith, that passed down by the apostles. However they do not say they alone posess this.

Conversely the WTS says It ALONE is God's representative on earth.

As a nonAnglican I have been invited to preach in Anglican churches. As I have asked a few times before would I (as a nonJW) be invited to preach in a Kingdom Hall?

Your evasion in answering this question tells us all what the truth is!
---Warwick on 8/7/11


Scott,

If only evasiveness could be a saleable commodity.

The Anglicans, Baptists etc, indeed EVEN the Catholics DO NOT believe that they and they alone are the vehicle for God's salvation. The Watchtower does.

You're will not admit that because you would be seen as just another elitist cult.

Why are you afraid to confess that The Watchtower alone is God's salvatory vehicle today?
---Marc on 8/7/11


"Shouldn't anyone who thinks that his church is not teaching the truth of the Bible change churches?" jerry6593

Hah. Yes. That's the irony of Marc's issue with this (as I've already pointed out). Obviously he believes his 'church' teaches the truth and mine does not. Big surprise to anyone following along.

Does anyone really think that Jehovah's WItnesses would be knocking on doors, preaching and conducting thousands of bible studies all around the world if they thought someone else's church or faith was superior?

That's just silly.
---scott on 8/7/11


Scott,

You can add the Orthodox church which also believes they are the only true church, as someone on this blog site often suggests.
---willa5568 on 8/7/11


Uhhh, just a thought, but shouldn't anyone who thinks that his church is not teaching the truth of the Bible change churches?
---jerry6593 on 8/7/11


Scott,

You're obviously embarrassed by,
''Jehovah's using only one organisation today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we MUST identify that organisation and serve God as part of it.'' (The Watchtower, 2/15/83, p. 12)

Scott, do you believe that salvation is only possible through The Watchtower?
---Marc on 8/7/11


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"Fast one" Warwick

I've done enough of your homework for you. Research for yourself whether the Anglican Church believes that they have the 'true faith'...or prove otherwise. Next you'll argue that the Catholic church does not believe that they have the true faith.

This should be interesting.
---scott on 8/7/11


Scott, methinks you attempt to pull a fast one. I do not see how your quote has the Anglican church saying it is God's sole agent on earth.

However as has been shown, the WTS plainly claims that it is the one true church, God's sole representative on earth.

Would I be invited to preach in a Kingdom Hall?
---Warwick on 8/6/11


The Anglican Church

Apostolic succession is sometimes seen as one of the essential elements in constituting the one true church, ensuring it has inherited the spiritual, ecclesiastical and sacramental authority.

This is the position of those Anglicans who uphold the branch theory that,

"Though the Church may have fallen into schism within itself and its several provinces or groups of provinces be out of communion with each other, each may yet be a branch of the one Church of Christ, provided that it continues to hold the faith of the original undivided Church and to maintain the apostolic succession of its bishops."
The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, Oxford University Press
---scott on 8/6/11


Scott, as a once member of the Anglican Church, and a friend of Anglicans, including ministers, I know they do not believe "they alone and individually have the true faith."

I have also preached in a number of Anglican churches. Can I preach at a Kingdom Hall?
---Warwick on 8/6/11


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Again, typical evasive Scott.

It's not about denominationalism, another disingenuous red-herring tactic you over and over again throw up to remove the spotlight from your organisation's belief.

Why don't you affirm, publicly, The Watchtower's stated belief that they, and they alone, are God's voice on earth and that salvation cannot be found in any other organisation?

Are you ashamed of your own beliefs or do you want no one to know this?
---Marc on 8/5/11


Y'hovah gave His Living Word.If one [does not believe] He died and [rose from the dead] Authority and power is depleted.All power and Authority is in the Name given to mankind by which they have salvation.God is Salvation-Y'shua
Conquered death-Satan knows it.Either believe God's Word or not.
Phil2:10All that have been taught by God received His Word... foretold
Is 9:67,Jn 5:46-47
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me, for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Is 45:23
[I have sworn by Myself, the Word is gone out of My Mouth] in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Heb 11:8
One God-different dimension
---char on 8/5/11


"MUST identify that organisation and serve God as part of it...don't you think statements like that seem ever so slightly, ahh, exclusive and, well, ahh, CULTISH?" Marc

But you've still not answered the simple question.

SInce the Catholic Church, The Anglican Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church (regardless of their theology) teach that they alone and individually have the true faith, are they not (by your definition) "ahh, exclusive and well, ahh, cultish?"
---scott on 8/5/11


//Our future depends on what path we follow//
Christ gave us an apostle to follow.
1 Cor. 11:1
"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of christ"
and a gospel to believe in.
1Cor 15:1-4
---michael_e on 8/4/11


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If you believe God teaches confirming His Word -You have faith In Him. 1 Cor 2
If you believe God sent His Word In flesh.Jn1:1
You have faith in Him.
If you know His Word cuts dividing Tradition and deception from Truth
You have faith In Him.
Rev 1:16,9:11,19:15

God sent His Word in flesh as He stated He would confirm His Word and perform it.
Is 55:11,Is 7:14,Heb 2[ALL].

Our future depends on what path we follow.
If one follows the True Word of God [Y'shua], it will be Y'hvh one will stand in front of who will judge the word one confessed. Rom10:9-10.
There is No other word, not mine, organizaton, words of man-
No other god, no archangel...
Y'Hvh declares He Is Savior In the Name of

Y'shua
---char on 8/4/11


Scott,

Specious argument.

Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Baptists, etc share common beliefs JWs don't uphold: Christ is God, the Holy Spirit is God and a Person, Christ resurrected bodily, taking a transfusion won't stop salvation, works do not save etc.

I'm not going to judge a person's heart as I can't reasonably know but I do know because JWs believe salvation only comes through Watchtower, they must contribute and work toward salvation, they do not know now that they have eternal life (in effect negating God's Promise), they have a false idea of God, think more of the words of men than God's, that it will prove difficult to be with God eternally as Jesus promised.
---Marc on 8/3/11


Scott, I do not question your salvation now or if you will be saved later. I don't know what is in store for you. What I question is the teachings. For salvation is by grace through faith to anyone God decides to give that Grace to. Even to Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and everyone else. We don't know who He is going to save. One thing is for sure, a person needs to believe in the Son of God by faith. And that only comes by revelation by the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 8/4/11


"Exclusive and cultish"

I'm amused that you fail to see the irony in your comments about an organization that believes that they have the truth.

Do you not believe that you (and those in agreement with you) have "the truth" as opposed to other 'mislead' and 'heretical' groups? Do you not feel that your belief system will result in salvation and, unless I adopt your views, salvation is not in my future?

Further, are the Anglican Church, the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, etc., cults because they believe they have the one true faith?

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify this for you.
---scott on 8/3/11


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Scott,

You are disingenuous. Why do you refuse tackling the quotes from your own literature that show salvation is only possible for JWs alone and salvation can only come through The Watchtower and yet stir up trouble about exactly how many JWs have died through not accepting transfusions? Statements like, ''Jehovah's using only one organisation today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we MUST identify that organisation and serve God as part of it.'' (The Watchtower, 2/15/83, p. 12)

Scott, don't you think statements like that seem ever so slightly, ahh, exclusive and, well, ahh, CULTISH?
---Marc on 8/3/11


Scott, let me be clear. I don't hate the Jehovah Witnesses. I never said they killed my sister. It was my sisters decision. But her decision was moved by what she was told and they are held responsible before God. I know for a fact that her time had come. Because God never makes mistakes. The instrument for her death was the words of the Witnesses. The same way that Jesus death came, by the evil works of Judas and others. He was the instrument that brought the beginning of His death. Anyone who accepts the Bible as the word of God should be absolutely certain that the crucifixion of Chrst was foreordained. Jesus mentioned His death about three times.
---Mark_V. on 8/3/11


Scott 2: this does not remove the actions of the witnesses. God did not make them say what they did.
In the case of Christ,
"For of a truth in the city against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didnst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gather together, to do whatsoever Thy hand and They counsel foreordained to come to pass" Acts 4:27,28.
Him being delivered up by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, " ye by the hands of lawless men did crucify and slay" Acts 2:23.
Im angry at them but not hateful. For I understand that our time will come. Their actions brought the death of my sister, and they will be responsible.
---Mark_V. on 8/3/11


Scott, Marc does not display hatred of JW's, only disgust towards an unbalanced orgainzation which considers itself God's sole mouth-piece on earth.

This organization issues commands, supposedly from God's word, but later reverses these commands-whose mind changed?

Marc shows sadness for those who suffer under this unbalanced autorcacy.

MarkV attests his family member refused a blood transfusion after a visit from WTS heavies, and died. It is all about fear.

You deceitfully claimed the WTS never described organ transplants as "Cannibalism" however I showed they did. But no acceptance of this truth has come from you.
---Warwick on 8/2/11


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Thanks,MarkV
It is the Word of God that Saves, but our acknowlegement of our lack of understanding it that Humbles us. With that humbled confession we seek, ask and believe [He will teach and confirm it].

Y'hvah instructs for His Word to be written down.
Y'hvah in [complete truth] provided the [complete Word to be written].
Gen 1:1 Bereshiyt Elohiym[Powers] Bara [formed] [e-t]
In beginning God formed [aleph-tav]
[et] is spelled [a-t aleph-tav] and is an untranslatable word. It is used to indicate that [a direct object is next]...

Parallelism and dual purpose
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Stated and confirmed within both Testements written.
---char on 8/2/11


"That's disingenuous of you." Marc

Really? You claim (7/28/11) that [JWs' stand on blood has] "led to the deaths of 1000's, if not millions, of babies."

And I'm disingenuous?

I'm still waiting for your proof of that wild and irresponsible claim. I won't hold my breath.

Your "research" can obviously not be trusted. And your views are (perhaps) irreparably skewed by your hatred of Jehovah's Witnesses. Sadly, that has undermined any credibility you may otherwise have because it is bereft of the slightest thread of objectivity.
---scott on 8/2/11


Hos4:6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Jms 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him.Jn 14:16 I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you [for ever],

1Cor 2[ALL]
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
---char on 8/2/11


Sister Char, very good explanations you gave. Great studying. I have not got there concerning the languages. I can interpret in English and Spanish only. Words are changed also in Spanish.
---Mark_V. on 8/2/11


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Scott,

That's disingenuous of you. I didn't apologise for posting a wrong quote - I apologised for the incorrect DATE. The quote was accurate and proves that you have to come to The Watchtower for salvation as there is no other group today which can give you that - unless you can provide everyone here with the names of a few other groups where someone can be saved.
---Marc on 8/1/11


''What is God's will for Christians TODAY [NB not ALWAYS as Jesus implied]? It is for them to do preaching work.'' Marc

"Not always as Jesus implied" Marc

Which Jesus are you referring to? This one?

"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." Matt 24:14

"And Jesus...spoke to them, saying...Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing..." Matt 28:18-20

"YOU will be witnesses of me...to the most distant part of the earth." Acts 1:8

"Go on telling them, The kingdom of God has come near to you.'" Luke 10:9
---scott on 8/1/11


Greek writing style:
1.King James version of 1611 when purchased contained a letter addressing the translation to the reader referencing the challenge of translating one language to another and encourages [the reader] to cross reference.
2. Greek word placement. Word placement is different with Greek then English. Faith of Jesus Christ, or Jesus Christ of Faith in context defines the same meaning, understood by Grecian readers,[Faith in the Word of God], speaking to the reference of Who Christ is within Mankind..Faith [In] the Word [within us].
3. When taking the Greek and translating to hebrew the word puns are evident, and is thought the writings, [origin] to be written in hebraic.
Faith of Jesus Christ-[KJV]
Rom3:22,Gal2:16
---char on 8/1/11


Marc,

Let me know which of those 'articles' you actually have in front of you and I'm happy to discuss them.

I'll wait. Take your time.

You recently apologized for incorrectly posting one of these quotes...

...apology accepted.
---scott on 8/1/11


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Faith of Jesus Christ KJV.
This could also address the witness.

We witness Jesus walk as an example for the believer--[those who believe In the Word of God] to walk [In the light].

This speaks to the Word of God in Flesh and the [experience] knowing the confirmation is by God.

Y'hovah confirming His Word
...Holy Spirit, Y'hovah Saving...

Praise God for His mercy and Grace to Him we humble for His wisdom.
---char on 8/1/11


Eph 2:16 ina dikaiwqwmen ek pistewV [cristou] kai ouk ex ergwn [nomou]

1.Cristou is objective genitive
2.Nomou is objective genitive.

The Law does not do the work but the believer does,
Christ is not the one Believing but the believer is.
Christ is the law--fulfiled
The law is what the believer believes and obeys.

so that [we would be made righteous out of (the) faith of Christ and not out of (the) works of (the) law)

A posed thought- Humbled.

Shalom
---char on 8/1/11


Micha, I have the Old King James of 1611, I also have the NKJ version copyright 1979, by Tomas Nelson, the NIV copywrite 1985 by Zondervan Corp. The Life Application Study Bible by Tyndale House Publisher, inc. None of this have "the faith of Christ" All have faith in Christ. I believe what you say it Truth, since many Bibles are from different translators, and also believe the translators put "of Christ" since faith comes from God, and Jesus Christ is God. Which would better explain that faith comes from God. What do you think?
---Mark_V. on 8/1/11


Scott,

According to Watchtower, a prophet's someone who foretells. And the prophets ''are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses.'' (Watchtower, 4/1/72, p. 197)

''The best method of proof's to put a prophecy to the test of time...The Bible invites such a test. (Isa. 45:11) [i.e. ''Ask me about things that are coming'']...The Bible itself establishes rules for testing a prophecy...(1) It must be spoken in Jehovah's name, (2) it must come to pass'' (Watchtower, 3/1/65, p. 151)

''True prophets speak in the name of God, but merely claiming to represent him is not enough. What true prophets foretell comes to pass.'' (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp.. 133-4)

Have they falsely prophesied in the name of Jehovah? YES!
---Marc on 8/1/11


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Galatians 3:22,
"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe." K.J.V.
---mima on 8/1/11


Scott,

The Watchtower: ''What is God's will for Christians TODAY [NB not ALWAYS as Jesus implied]? It is for them to do preaching work.'' ('The truth that leads to Eternal Life', p. 185)

The Bible: 'Then they said to him, ''What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?''
'Jesus answered and said to them,''This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he sent.'''

Paul: ''But to him who does not work but believes on him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.'' (Romans 4:5)

The JWs believe you must work. Jesus and Paul say BELIEVE in what God has ALREADY done.
---Marc on 8/1/11


MarkV apparently you have the wrong versions
KJV
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
---michael_e on 8/1/11


Rom 3:22 ...faith of Jesus Christ... KJV, YLT, DBY, WEB
Gal 2:16 ...faith of Jesus Christ...faith of Christ... KJV, YLT, DBY, WEB
Gal 3:22 ...faith of Jesus Christ... KJV, YLT, DBY, WEB
Rev 14:12 ...faith of Jesus... KJV, NKJV, RSV, ASV, YLT, DBY, WEB, HNV(faith of Yeshua)
All have Greek grammatical differences.
---micha9344 on 8/1/11


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Mima, I don't know what Bible version you have but none of my four Bibles have "the faith "of" Jesus Christ"
They all have "faith "in" Jesus Christ"
Please let us know what kind it is so we can stay away from it. peace.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/11


Peter states:
2Pe 3:13 ,2Pe 3:14 2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother
[Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you,]

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Salvation and the restoration of righteousness to the creation is the central theme throughout the the two Testaments as taught by Paul [as apostle] to the gentiles and by the twelve apostles to the jews.
---char on 7/31/11


The "faith of Jesus" is just more Pauline dribble that should be ignored.
---barb on 7/31/11

more barbiline drivel...

2Pe 3:15-18

we have seen your ad hominem attacks, but where is your scripture?
---aka on 7/31/11


The faith of Jesus Christ, is based on the Gospel revealed only to Paul for the body of Christ
1 Cor. 15: 1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 7/31/11


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Why do we think Jesus would need faith? Doesn't He know who His Father is? Does He not trust His Father with all of His heart, soul and mind? Jesus knows the truth and has no need for faith which is after all only hope. We need to learn to trust God with all our needs and to pray for his will to be done in our lives, keeping our eyes always on the Father and Son and letting the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth.

The "faith of Jesus" is just more Pauline dribble that should be ignored.
---barb on 7/31/11


Heb 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of [things not seen].

John 1:1-14 [In the beginnning was the Word...the [Word became flesh..]
Y'hvh gave His Word-- with mankind it is not completed
This is the Faith of Jesus Christ.

Mankinds Walk with the Creator as Father and Savior unto eternal life.
This then is God giving birth through us. [The Kingdom of Heaven is a synonym for God].

Matt 6:10
10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Matthew 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, [the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.]
---char on 7/31/11


//Eastern Thought vs. western]//.
Jn 5:39
39Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Y'hvh [Living Word In Flesh] stood before them...yet they did not [know]Him.
Spoken/Written and Living Word of Y'hvh [in flesh].
Matt 22:31
31But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,[I am] the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Jn 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was,

[I Am].

The Word of God defines Him down to each letter.-Faith in The Word of God-Y'shua
Ex3:14
---char on 7/31/11


char,

I have been reading your posts and for the most part do not disagree. But I was wondering what your point is in reference to the question?
---willa5568 on 7/31/11


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Experiencing God-is being [Taught by Him 2Cor2]- worshipping in Spirit and Truth [Complete Action].

Israelite salvation is based and drawn from the event of the Exdous from Egypt. Ex 24:7 [Israels response to Gods giving of Law]
Instead of thinking from cause to effect, they reason from effect to cause Micah 1:10-15(Ex 20:2, Deut 5:6, Is 40:3).
The point?
The [Holy]Spirit is God-The Word of God is His Word [proceeding out] of His Mouth.
There is only One God---He is Spirit-He gave One Word [His].
Completeness is In Him-only.

Any other-word- Does Not Have Eternal Power.
Faith of Y'sha- who is the anointed Word of God given to Man to walk[In].
Repentance unto [Remission]-Life completely---

Eternal.
---char on 7/30/11


"The Sovereign Lord has opened my ears, and I have not been rebellious."
---char on 7/30/11

Amen, char on 7/30/11

when i think about it, everything [wisdom and knowledge] is from the Lord despite my supposed intelligence and analytical skills.

I look back and see my rebellion even though i did not think it was rebellion.

Pro 1:22 "How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple?

my feeble discernment now is from my experience and it is not nearly enough. I need His discernment.

The only way that i can make it day-to-day is through His discernment, wisdom, and knowledge.

Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, fools despise wisdom and instruction.
---aka on 7/30/11


1Cor 2 [all]
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Jn 6[ALL]
vs 45
is [written] in the prophets, [And they shall be all taught of God]. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me].
1Jn2:25-29,1Jn5:6-7,
1jn5 [all]
Believe in the Name of the Son of God
Why?
It is Emmanuel-God with us
Y'sha-God As Savior.
YHWH- In One.

Jn 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was,

[I am].
---char on 7/30/11


Spirit of "Hebrew thought", constructed differently[Eastern Thought vs. western].
God is Spirit-when we have wisdom it is His.
Knowing something in the ancient Hebrew, was not just observing and analyzing something/someone. Knowing is the result of experience, (Ps. 95:10), and the personal commitment one had with that person.
Same with [intelligence]. It was [not] the ability to analyze,[it was a gift, given]- the ability to receive and ability to listen,[the experience which comes first]. Hebrew-the seat of intelligence was thought to reside in the ears.

Is 50:5:
Adonai Yahweh patach li ozen vaanoki lo mariyti achor lo nesugoti

"The Sovereign Lord has opened my ears, and I have not been rebellious."
---char on 7/30/11


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Willa, very true "faith in the Son of God,"
In the context Paul was upset at Peter. Peter would eat with Gentiles, but when man came (Jews) pretending to be of James, he separated himself from the Gentiles. Paul told Peter why he compel Gentiles to live as Jews. And told Peter that man is not justified by the works of the Law but by faith in Jesus Christ, for the works of the law no flesh shall be saved. Paul tells Peter of His own self, ""For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ: it is no longer I that live but Christ lives in me, and the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God"
---Mark_V. on 7/29/11


...as you hold on to the faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ.>James 2:1

point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, nourished by the words of the faith and the good teaching that you have followed>1Timothy 4:6

Galatians 2:16 uses the faith in the KJV, but there is a difference here compared with the others. In this case there is no definite article(the)in the Greek as there is in the others. So those that translate it the faith of confuse what is being said and it should read faith in. So it would be by faith in Jesus Christ.

In the other cases it speaks of a faith apart from all others, the gospel and teachings of Jesus and the Apostles
---willa5568 on 7/29/11


Scott, your correct. When reading the whole of Scripture we should know that the Spirit is the One who testifies of Christ. He reveals Christ to the believers hearts and minds. Old Testament saints could not possibly believe in the coming Messiah, the Son of God, unless the Spirit revealed it to their hearts and minds. Even the New T. reveals to us that the Spirit in the prophets gave them discernment and wisdom ( 1 Peter 1:11). John the Baptist, the Spirit moved in him.
The Spirit was also said to be in Daniel ( Dan. 4:8: 5:11-14) and in (Numbers 27:18) we are told He was in Joshua. Even Pharaoh who was not saved recognized the indwelling of the Spirit in Joseph (Gen. 41:38). There is no "maybe's" there is only Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/11


"My understanding is in the OT only Prophets and KINGS were anointed with the Holy Spirit." kathr4453

"Jehovah continued to speak to Moses, saying: See, I do call by name Bezalel the son of Uri the son of Hur of the tribe of Judah. And I shall fill him with the spirit of God in wisdom and in understanding and in knowledge and in every kind of craftsmanship..." Ex 31:1-11, 35:30-35

"Jehovah said to Moses: Gather for me seventy men of the older men of Israel....and I shall have to take away some of the spirit that is upon you and place it upon them, and they will have to help you in carrying the load of the people that you may not carry it, just you alone." Nu 11:11-17, 24-30
---scott on 7/28/11


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Paul uses the term,so the logical step to take would be read Paul's epistles, because he explains it very well.

Rom. 3:22 Galatians 2:16 Galatians 3:22
---michael_e on 8/29/10


---JackB you raise a very interesting question. And I believe the answer lies in the fact that the Holy Spirit was not in David as he is in you and every believer but rather he accompanied David.

And here is scripture for my thought,

" Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came UPON David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah." First Samuel 16:13
---mima on 8/27/10


JackB, my understanding is in the OT only Prophets and KINGS were anointed with the Holy Spirit. The comforter, The Holy Spirit, was sent when Christ went to the Father. The PROMISE of the Holy Spirit was prophesied and anxiously waited for. Hebrews 11 ends that OT saints died without the PROMISE. Not the Promise of Salvation, but the indwelling Spirit. Here's the amazing thing....what they went through by just their faith in the coming promise of Christ puts US to shame..so it seems to say..

Mark_Eaton...NO ONE would be waiting in line. That's why these maga churches do so well...NO CROSS!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/27/10


///In the OT no one could even live this verse...because the Spirit of the Life of Christ was not in anyone until He rose from the dead---kathr4453 on 8/24/10///

Ive always wondered... if the Holy Spirit/Ghost and Spirit of Christ are the same, how then did David get access to Him (Psalm 51:11,12).

Thoughts?
---JackB on 8/27/10


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Galatians 2:20
---kathr4453 on 8/24/10

One of my top ten favorite verses!

I use this verse whenever I talk with someone who comes from the "Abundant Life" church or ministry and tries to tell me all the blessings I have a right to.

According to this verse, I am a DEAD man. And unless I miss it, a dead man has NO rights. So all these blessings I have a right to are null and void when I died to Christ.

An oh, by the way, your Abundant Life church should be named the "Crucified Life" church according to Scripture.

How many people would stand in line to go to a church with that name?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/27/10


///In the OT no one could even live this verse...because the Spirit of the Life of Christ was not in anyone until He rose from the dead---kathr4453 on 8/24/10///


A BIG AMEN.
Blessings...
---char on 8/27/10


Galatians 2:20
20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Now when I look at this very important verse I see that I must live by HIS very Life in Me. My sanctification.

In the OT no one could even live this verse...because the Spirit of the Life of Christ was not in anyone until He rose from the dead.

This scripure belongs to the CHURCH, as we are conformed to HIS DEATH thereby only then to live by HIS Resurrection power...Phil 3 agrees!
---kathr4453 on 8/24/10


Our faith in Christ gives us access to His salvation which was made possible by His faith, which was to do the will of the Father.

I think of it like God sending us someone to do FOR us, what we could not do for ourselves.

The extension of this great love changes the way we see our Creator. We no longer see Him as the dictator who wants to burn us in hell for our sins, but a loving Father who would rather forgive and forget our sin, for He delights in mercy and forgiveness.

Some here of course would argue and say He would rather predestine men to an eternal fiery death according to his own good pleasure. These people are a testament to the longsuffering of God.
---JackB on 8/21/10


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God is supported by His Word-any one who confesses the True Word of God-is supporting it.


Faith is support-we act on our belief.
Faith in truth-alone-will save.
Faith of Jesus is the support given by the Word-unto salvation.
Jesus will know you-you will know Jesus.
---char on 8/21/10


Examples where the faith of Christ is used.
"Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe." Notice our justification and our righteousness is by the" faiuth of the Lord Jesus Christ".
---mima on 8/20/10


"What is the faith of Jesus Christ?" It is that which assured and assures the salvation of the faithful, and the promised righteousness, sanctification, justification, protection, preservation, deliverance and redemption associated with that salvation.
---Josef on 8/20/10


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