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Could you provide me with a list of doctrines a person must accept in order to be saved?

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Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized (with water or with the Spirit?)shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
---micha9344 on 9/20/10


Ruben, 1 Peter 3:21 proclaims they had been rescued in spite of the water not because of the water. Water was the means that God used for judgment, not the means for salvation. I told you water cannot save you, but it can kill you by drowning you. Look at the words, "through water" not "by water"
The water Jesus talked about was spiritual water, or spiritual cleansing and by the Spirit. You should know that by now. Mark 16:16 those that believe, or those who are saved by faith, they are to be baptize as a committment of their faith.
---Bob on 9/20/10


Ruben, Jesus did not have to be born again of the Spirit. He was God. The water to be born again is spiritual water, not literal water. Literal water baptism is a work done by us submitting to the commands of Christ, that symbolizes our committment to Him. Literal water is good to drink, take a bath, and be a symbol for our committment to Christ, but it cannot clean your heart.
---Bob on 9/20/10

Peter says " eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you,"(1 Peter 3:21)

Jesus himself says 3:5 "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

Bible says He who believes and is baptized will be saved (Mk. 16:16).
---Ruben on 9/20/10


Ruben, Jesus did not have to be born again of the Spirit. He was God. The water to be born again is spiritual water, not literal water. Literal water baptism is a work done by us submitting to the commands of Christ, that symbolizes our committment to Him. Literal water is good to drink, take a bath, and be a symbol for our committment to Christ, but it cannot clean your heart.
---Bob on 9/20/10


Where is Jesus in the Greek originals? Find me one word that says Jesus in the Greek New Testament.

The letter J is not in the Hebrew originals.

Letter ''J'' as in 'Jesus' is not found anywhere in the Greek New Testament.

It is also not in Ierome's Latin Bible, nor Iohn Wickliffe's translation of the Latin Vulgate.

Jesus is lacking in Erasmus', Robert Estienne's, and Theodore Beza's Greek New Testament (including the parallel Latin translation).

Jesus is nowhere in the early English Bible translations. William Tyndale's Bible translation/Myles Couerdale Bible 1535/Thomas Matthew Bible 1537/and the 1560 Geneva Bible spell accurately according to the Greek NT (with the parallel Latin column), Iesus Christ.
---Kev on 9/19/10




Seems that accepting the Doctrine of the Resurrection of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ is mentioned several times in the NT as a requirement for salvation: it's not optional.
---Cluny on 9/17/10


You must be born of the water and the spirt before you can enetr heaven st john 3:5
Acts 10:45 , and Act 19:1-6 will tell you that you need to be baptized of water in the name of Jesus, and recieve the holy spirit. Jesus said it, Paul and Peter repeated what Jesus said. there is no way around it. Go get baptized and recieve the holy spirt.
---batieste on 9/17/10


Bob* Ruben, you did not answer the question I asked you, When did God sprinkle you with water?

He did no such thung.

Bob* The water cleansing in Scripture is spiritual.

And literal..

Bob *You are talking about literal water.

So does the Bible,

John 1:29-34, Jesus is baptized, in water.

"And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him."

Did God pour water on him or did Philip?
---Ruben on 9/17/10


There is only one Gospel that we are under now and we are saved by that Gospel we are being saved. Everybody that reads the King James have it wrong.

There is no doctrine just one Gospel and the is the Gospel of Grace.
---Royal on 9/17/10


Ruben, you did not answer the question I asked you, When did God sprinkle you with water? I mean literal water? The water cleansing in Scripture is spiritual. You are talking about literal water. If I remember correctly in the RCC the priest sprinkles you with literal water.
---Bob on 9/17/10




Ruben, when did God sprinkled water upon you? Was it not a person who sprinkled water on you? with real water? what God does is spiritual and what men does is of the flesh.
---Bob on 9/17/10

And God use men to do his work:

"After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea, and there he tarried with them, and baptized"(JHN 3:22)

"Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
---Ruben on 9/17/10


'Jesus showed us how heaven would be opened to us so that the Holy Spirit would descend upon us,through baptism.'-Ruben on 9/17/10
-Baptism then Holy Spirit?
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
-Holy Spirit then baptism?
---micha9344 on 9/17/10


Ruben what is your view concerning why Jesus was baptized?
---mima on 9/16/10


Scripture tell us:

Jesus was baptized in order "fulfill all righteousness" (Matthew 3:15) Also "to give knowledge of salvation to his people in the forgiveness of their sins" (Luke 1:77). Jesus showed us how heaven would be opened to us so that the Holy Spirit would descend upon us,through baptism.
---Ruben on 9/17/10


Ruben, sorry but Jesus does not speak about water saving anyone in John 3:35,
"The Father loves the Son, and has given all things unto His hands"
---MarkV. on 9/16/10

John 3:3-5
---Ruben on 9/17/10


Ruben, when did God sprinkled water upon you? Was it not a person who sprinkled water on you? with real water? what God does is spiritual and what men does is of the flesh.
---Bob on 9/17/10


Ruben what is your view concerning why Jesus was baptized?
---mima on 9/16/10


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Ruben, sorry but Jesus does not speak about water saving anyone in John 3:35,
"The Father loves the Son, and has given all things unto His hands"
---MarkV. on 9/16/10


Ruben, Did you not read the whole context? Verse 18 says,
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit." Who made us alive? The Holy Spirit. Hello? Water will not save you,

Mark it water and the Spirit as Jesus says Jhn 3:35

MarkV* Here, water was the agent of God's judgment not the means of salvation.

Mark ,As the waters of the flood cleared out the sin and iniquity of the world during Noahs time, the waters of baptism clear the conscience, through the power of the resurrection. That's why Peter can say baptism does now save you.

---Ruben on 9/15/10


To be saved, go to Romans 10:9-10, there it is in a nutshell.
---Leslie on 9/13/10


Ruben, Did you not read the whole context? You do what most people do here. Give a passage without context, you gave 1 Peter 3:20 but forgot the other verses. Verse 18 says,
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit." Who made us alive? The Holy Spirit. Hello? Water will not save you, but it can sure drown you as it did the other people.
After explaining that point very clear, he goes on to tell about Noah's day. "saved through water" here they had been rescued in spite of the water not because of the water. Here, water was the agent of God's judgment not the means of salvation.
---MarkV. on 9/11/10


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Ruben, 1 Peter 3:21,22, is not speaking of water Baptism, but rather a figurative immersion into union with Christ. Something the Holy Spirit does to all who believe by faith in Christ. And an antitype is an earthly expression of a spiritual reality. It indicates a symbol, picture or patern of some spiritual truth.
---MarkV. on 9/4/10

Mark,

Read it again:
Peter writes eight persons were saved through water, in 1 Pet. 3:20.

Peter concludes baptism does now save you. Not Baptism does not save you

Water saved eight persons and Baptism now saves you...
---Ruben on 9/10/10


The word "Catholic" is from the Greek language and means "Universal."
There is "universal salvation offered to all.---Elder on 8/24/10

I agree with your meaning of the word. There is a void, searching for and finding scriptural context to support "universal".
One of the irony's and dangers of "universal" thinking is this word "Catholic" does represent a large denomination who would that we all be one group. Theirs.
Several "universal" drivers are pushing today for acceptance...universally. One world government is common term now. Or one universal world.
---Trav on 9/7/10


Ruben, 1 Peter 3:21,22, is not speaking of water Baptism, but rather a figurative immersion into union with Christ. Something the Holy Spirit does to all who believe by faith in Christ. And an antitype is an earthly expression of a spiritual reality. It indicates a symbol, picture or patern of some spiritual truth. Not a work that man does. That would be a flesh reality.
real sprinkled water only tickles you, It cannot even clean your hair. The water cannot remove your sins. If you really believed that why would you believe in Purgatory if your sins had been washed? Why would you have all those catechisms to remove sins and make you save? you would have to get into the water everyday since you are a sinner everyday.
---MarkV. on 9/4/10


Ruben 2:
The "washing with pure water" does not refer to Christian Baptism, but to the Holy Spirit's purifying one's life by means of the Word of God. This is purely a New Covenant picture. The Old Covenant Picture, the one you gave in Eze. .
---MarkV. on 9/3/10


Mark, the scripture verse of Ezek is a future event:

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. "

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh."
---Ruben on 9/3/10


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Trav, may the Lord be with you and bring you peace and happiness ...
---ger.toshav on 8/22/10

My cup runneth over now, but blessing/prayers accepted, thanks.

....where are you? You vanished. Did posting meaning of your blog name below embarrass you off?

Comment note: ger.toshav, resident alien living among Jews.
Noted:talmud, gil
student:
There are those who go beyond this step and approach a Jewish court and, in exchange for entering Jewish society, they vow to observe their commandments and be ethical monotheists. Such a person is called a Ger Toshav. By pledging he will fulfill obligation to be an ethical monotheist he enters Jewish society.
---Trav on 8/23/10
---Trav on 9/3/10


"Husbands love your wives, just as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water, "by the Word."
---MarkV. on 9/3/10

Mark,

Baptism is a washing of water, it is the only "washing of water" taught by the word.

Titus 3:5
"..not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.."

" eight souls were saved by water... Baptism doth also NOW save us" (1 Peter 3:21, KJV).
---Ruben on 9/3/10


Ruben 2:
The "washing with pure water" does not refer to Christian Baptism, but to the Holy Spirit's purifying one's life by means of the Word of God. This is purely a New Covenant picture. The Old Covenant Picture, the one you gave in Eze. blood was sprinkled as a sign of cleansing, and the priest were continually washing themselves and the sacred vessels in basins of clear water. Since this not the pure cleansing, because the blood of Christ is for all time, they had to do it over and over again.
---MarkV. on 9/3/10


Ruben, thanks again for your answer. Lets go to Hebrews 10:22. Where we read that pure water will cleanse them. By giving that passage you are assuming that the passage is talking about literal water, and what the priest does at your baptism. And that through that water, or sprinkling of water, you become born again. Well let me say that the passages are not talking about literal water Ruben. If you go to Eph. 5:25, 26, you will find what kind of water Jesus was talking about.
"Husbands love your wives, just as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water, "by the Word."
---MarkV. on 9/3/10


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Hello Ruben, How are you born again of water? Does water change you? Or, does water bring you to life?
---MarkV. on 9/2/10

Hi Mark,

Paul says in Heb 10:22 "Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water."
And he is referring to Ezek 36:25-27 ""Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. "

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh."
---Ruben on 9/2/10


Hello again Ruben, thank you for your comments, they come from someone who is born of water and Spirit. How are you born again of water? Does water change you? Or, does water bring you to life? Please educate me on that, because as you say I speak lies, and to proof I do, you have to show how water changes you. Teach me Ruben so that I know what it is you are talking about. I'm willing to listen to your teachings.
---MarkV. on 9/2/10


MarkV.* Steven rem, so very true what you say. Ruben argues that everyone is alive, I believe he doesn't realize that all descendants of Adam are spiritually dead, and that God has to make them alive before they can understand anything that is spiritual.

Oh, that's right is 'only' the elect he makes alive.

MarkV.*The catholic religion does not teach born of the Spirit.

They teach what Jesus said 'Born of water and the Spirirt" Jhn v3:5

MarkV*they teach the same, the reason Ignatius and Cluny defend the RCC.

They do not defend the RCC per se but the Anti-Catholic lies that people like you claim!
---Ruben on 9/1/10


Steven rem, so very true what you say. Ruben argues that everyone is alive, I believe he doesn't realize that all descendants of Adam are spiritually dead, and that God has to make them alive before they can understand anything that is spiritual. The catholic religion does not teach born of the Spirit. They believe they come alive by doing different works of catechisms. It is not a Spiritual birth, it is a man's work.
Then you hear that the Catholic Church and the Eastern orthodox are two lungs, that need each other, they are already the same person, nothing change with the exception of the Head of the RCC the pope and a few small matters, other then that, they teach the same, the reason Ignatius and Cluny defend the RCC.
---MarkV. on 9/1/10


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as you can see not "MANY" believers on this thread

Rom 6:17 But thanks be to our God that you were the slaves of sin, but you have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.

2Jn 1:9 Everyone transgressing and not abiding in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house, nor speak a greeting to him.
2Jn 1:11 For he who speaks a greeting to him is partaker of his evil deeds.

you can't know Christ or God apart from doctrine AN the coctrine one NEEDS to KNOW is the person and work of Christ...etc
---steven_rem7000 on 8/31/10


To Cluny
What do you think the clergy of the church means when they teach to pray to Father for the sake of the Son to receive Holly Spirit? Does it sound to you that the laity is receiving such instruction as unity in Trinity or as three different individuals? I've talked to many and unfortunately three individuals come up in the their mind, thou on their tongues sometimes, I hear confession to One God. That is my experience, please it should not be taken personally. God Bless.
---simon on 8/30/10


0! All you need is God and His Mighty, Powerful, Holy, Blood.
---catherine on 8/30/10


There is no LIST of Doctrines that Save anyone.

JESUS SAVES!
---kathr4453 on 8/27/10


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trey* My thought is that if you believe you have to perform a work, or accept Christ as your personal savior in order to obtain eternal salvation then you haven't accepted Jesus Christ, and his finished work of salvation.

Do you or do not have to accept Jesus Christ?

trey* John tells us that we love Christ because he first loved us.
We were dead in trespasses and in sin. A dead man cannot act. Christ makes us alive and then we want to follow him. We want to serve him. Until he makes us alive we have no desire to follow him.

Then everyone is alive, because we are all dead in sin.
---Ruben on 8/26/10


Trey, very good points you give. There is no other way but by God. Only He can change a heart, and bring light to those that are in darkness. Without the light, they remain in darkness. Nothing can get them out, not even their own efforts.
---MarkV. on 8/25/10


There is none.
---catherine on 8/24/10


Jesus Christ saves....What doctrines you believe will not save anyone.
---duane on 8/24/10


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Doctrines we must accept???
My thought is that if you believe you have to perform a work, or accept Christ as your personal savior in order to obtain eternal salvation then you haven't accepted Jesus Christ, and his finished work of salvation.
I do read this however:
Eph1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
John tells us that we love Christ because he first loved us.
We were dead in trespasses and in sin. A dead man cannot act. Christ makes us alive and then we want to follow him. We want to serve him. Until he makes us alive we have no desire to follow him.
---trey on 8/24/10


"[Pope John II]The Catholic Church and the Orthodoxy Church are two lungs and need each other to survive."(Ruben)

Wasn't that concerning the Eastern Catholics, not the Orthodox? Either case, we Eastern Orthodox Christians do not share the same belief.

"We can just pray that one day they will unite and be one again...."

Ruben, this is one of the things we can agree upon. I too pray that we will be united again, but Orthodoxy insists that Rome must repent of her errors before any reunification occurs.

In any case, I respect Latin/Eastern Catholics and can't stand Anti-Catholic remarks. Bless you Ruben! Agape!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/24/10


\\So I think the Apostle and the Nicene creed both had Rome in mind!
---Ruben on 8/24/10\\

And this is one of the points that Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism disagree on.
---Cluny on 8/24/10

Unfortunately yes, but I recall one of Pope John Paul II saying. The Catholic Church and the Orthodoxy Church are two lungs and need each other to survive.

We can just pray that one day they will unite and be one again....
---Ruben on 8/24/10


\\but the most fundamental institutional doctrines problem lies in the fact that they make two out of one Lord (that is Divine and human) and make three individuals out of one God (meaning Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).\\

Who is "THEY" in this context?

Certainly not the Orthodox or Roman Catholics, or even historical confessional Protestants (to their credit).

BTW, the proper terminology in these doctrines is that one and the same Lord Jesus Christ has two NATURES (Divine and Human) in one and the same Person.

And the Holy Trinity is one God in three Persons (which doesn't have the same meaning as in ordinary speech) of the same Ousia/Substantia/essence or substance.
---Cluny on 8/24/10


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"...the East and the West were united and the Early church Fathers recognized that Peter is the rock" (Ruben)

That is debatable. Even if one affirm that this indeed was the consensus teaching of the Fathers, this say nothing about Rome nor Roman Papacy (as understood by modern day Catholics).

You were trying to put a definition on the phrase "The Catholic Church" (i.e.. it is called "Catholic" because the Eastern Churches was in union with Rome, and only a unity with Rome and her teachings guarantees one local church' "catholicity") that the Fathers were not aware of. Will you freely admit your error?

The Fathers did not think Rome and her Popes could never err.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/24/10


Perhaps, or it may have meant all the Churches, whether in the East or West, that was united in dogmas and practices (with the Bishops/Presbyters presiding), with differences only in language/culture/liturgy. This is the "Catholic Church", at least that is how the Fathers understood it.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/23/10

Yes Ignatius the East and the West were united and the Early church Fathers recognized that Peter is the rock of whom Christ spoke when he said, "You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church."

Which of the two today still make that claim ?
---Ruben on 8/24/10


"....the Nicene creed both had Rome in mind!" (Ruben)

Yes, but they also had in mind all the Eastern Churches, whom they were members of.

For Saint Ignatius of Antioch, the local Church centered on the bishop to celebrate the Eucharist is the "the Catholic Church" (Letter to the Smyrneans 8) and it is indeed the full manifestation of the Body of Christ. At the same time, that Church is in relation with other catholic churches, not only for practical reasons but also because neighboring bishops have to be involved for the consecration of her Bishop. They are united in love, Apostolic Tradition and practices.

That is how other Fathers thought as well.

What is the problem?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/24/10


It is not that important which doctrine predates which, but what the quality of the doctrinal message is!
I do not know if many of you had acknowledge this, but the most fundamental institutional doctrines problem lies in the fact that they make two out of one Lord (that is Divine and human) and make three individuals out of one God (meaning Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). That is what needs to be reconciled first and for most for the doctrine to be proper, and few more smaller matters. That is why I've pointed out Athanasian Creed, since it does that, and not because its is old or newer.
God Bless.
---simon on 8/24/10


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\\So I think the Apostle and the Nicene creed both had Rome in mind!
---Ruben on 8/24/10\\

And this is one of the points that Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism disagree on.
---Cluny on 8/24/10


Actually, the Apostles' Creed predates the various ecclesiastical schisms and Christological controversies. It never meant Rome.

The Nicene Creed, which also predates them, didn't mean "Rome" or anything connected with it in its use of Catholic.
---Cluny on 8/23/10

Ignatius of Antioch is known to be the first to use the word 'Catholic' in 110AD

wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).

"You [the church at Rome] have envied no one, but others you have taught. (ibid., 3:1).

So I think the Apostle and the Nicene creed both had Rome in mind!
---Ruben on 8/24/10


//When we follow-we end up the same place.//
char
Simply Awesome!


//I in you-you in me etc...// char

sounds like a Beatles song...

"I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together."

LOL!
---aka on 8/24/10


Unfortunately the list of doctrines is extremely short. The space here does not allow for doctrinal analysis, so allow me to suggest one and only, totally acceptable (but check it yourself and see it how it feels). Google for ATHANASIAN CREED. It is old, but right on! God Bless.
---simon on 8/24/10


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There is only one true doctrine.
The teaching of the Word of God-by God himself-(Holy Spirit)
1Jn2:26-29 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you...
1Tim 4,6
The doctrine of Jesus Christ.
Son of God-
Word in Flesh-
Dead and resurrection-repentance to remission.
God is Savior-Saviors Word became flesh-to whomsoever believe-returned back to the Father completed.

When we follow-we end up the same place.

With the Father-completed and whole.
I in you-you in me etc...
John 14-15-16-17
Body
---char on 8/24/10


The word "Catholic" is from the Greek language and means "Universal." The word Universal means something affecting or done by all people or things or a particular group.
It means the same thing in the Nicene creed. The body of born again believers/Christians is universal. This refers to those that are saved from many places and areas. There is "universal salvation offered to all. All that are saved are saved the same way.
In the Nicene Creed the word "catholic" has nothing to do with Rome or the false doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. Again it has to do with the particular group of people that are born again by the blood of Christ.
---Elder on 8/24/10


\\It may not meant "Roman Catholic" but it could have meant those "Catholic Churches" in union with Rome\\

Actually, the Apostles' Creed predates the various ecclesiastical schisms and Christological controversies. It never meant Rome.

The Nicene Creed, which also predates them, didn't mean "Rome" or anything connected with it in its use of Catholic.
---Cluny on 8/23/10


"It may not meant "Roman Catholic" but it could have meant those "Catholic Churches" in union with Rome..." (Ruben)

Perhaps, or it may have meant all the Churches, whether in the East or West, that was united in dogmas and practices (with the Bishops/Presbyters presiding), with differences only in language/culture/liturgy. This is the "Catholic Church", at least that is how the Fathers understood it.

"Roman Catholic Church is not the only Catholic Church in union with the Rome."

What about the Eastern Catholics? Are they not in union with Rome?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/23/10


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(The Apostles' Doctrine)read the book of Acts, Acts chapter 2 the 1st message of salvation - when the people around heard they were pricked in thier heart saying What shall we do to be saved? Answer Acts 2:38 Repent (turn away from old ways or sin). Be Baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins. And U shall ... the Holy Ghost (other tongues). This promise is unto U & 2 all that the Lord thy God shall call. This tract that offers much more on salvation available at Word Aflame Press 8855 Dunn Road, Hazelwood, MO 63042-2299 The Apostles Doctrine #1567220975. & also explains any confusion concerning there being 3 Gods or 1. The bible teaches 1 God. One Lord, One Faith,One Baptism.
---rj on 8/23/10


The Man - made relig - org's churches beginning with the trin rcc & her daughters trin churches Rev.17 v's 4 - 6, body of believers. Including the Man - made god muslam, buddha, hindu etc, in other words ' ALL IN THE FAMILY. ' Are here Matt.15 v 9, & came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.


I Thank God that The One God Jesus name Church
of The Living God according to Acts 2 v 38 is NO part of it.
---Lawrence on 8/23/10


\\I would suggest 1 Cor 15:1-8 and the Apostles Creed (minus the Catholic church).\\

"Catholic" in the classical creeds never meant "Roman Catholic."
---Cluny on 8/23/10


It may not meant "Roman Catholic" but it could have meant those "Catholic Churches" in union with Rome...Roman Catholic Church is not the only Catholic Church in union with the Rome.
---Ruben on 8/23/10


I agree with Cluny ... The Apostles Creed

He's right, the reference to Catholic Church is the the whole company of beleivers, and not restricted to any single denomination.

One element does worry me though, is the "resurrection of the body" Since our bodies may have been consumed by fire, or lost at sea and eaten up, I can't think that the reference is to our present bodies. We'll be given a new one ... and it may not be physical in the way our present ones are physical?
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/23/10


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\\I would suggest 1 Cor 15:1-8 and the Apostles Creed (minus the Catholic church).\\

"Catholic" in the classical creeds never meant "Roman Catholic."
---Cluny on 8/23/10


I would suggest 1 Cor 15:1-8 and the Apostles Creed (minus the Catholic church).

Beyond this, is mostly divisions among denominations.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/22/10


ROMANS 10,17 SO THEN FAITH cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of GOD,
( Hearing the word of GOD puts you in a good position of being save,BUT being save that GOD good pleasure to do, if thats his plans for you.)
---RICHARD on 8/22/10


Doctrine of Jesus Christ.
Luke 24:39-53
"Behold My hands and My feet, that it is Myself: handle Me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have"
Vs 45
Then opened He thier understanding that they might understand the Scriptures, And said unto them "thus is is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day, And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His Name amoung all nations, beginning at Yerusalem...
Gods' Word is His strenght 'right hand'
His Word is eternal.Christ resurrection-proves he is eternal-believing Gods' Word gives eternal life. Yehovah Savior-beside him is no other-He did it all-He gets all the glory.Is 45,43,45,49
---char on 8/22/10


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According to (Hebrews 5:9) KJV,
Jesus Christ is the author of Eternal Salvation unto all them that obey him.
Could it be that simple?
Yes!

Your obedience to the commands of Jesus Christ are called Faith, it is your obedience that shows you have Faith in him.
That Faith is credited unto you as Righteousness, just as Abrahams acts of Faith in God (His obedience to God) were credited unto him as Righteousness.
This is why Paul uses Abraham to explain Gods Grace.

Paul's letters are to expound on the teachings of Jesus Christ, where as many doctrines cause Paul's letters to eliminate the teachings of Jesus Christ.
---David on 8/22/10


a list
yes, they are called the 10 commandments. However, at our very best, we cannot accomplish this perfectly in this life time, and therein is no salvation for mankind. So, everybody do the list that JackB gave on 8/20/10...thus salvation...

I say:
1) repent,
2) lather* , and
3) repeat ...until the day that you die.
(*Sanctification requires re-thinking and renewing.)

//Jesus...works for salvation, but Paul...//

To be honest, it makes me uncomfortable sometimes. However, Jesus said that if the seed was planted and properly nurtured, fruit would abound...to those that can hear. Paul lists the fruit to Jews and Gentiles who could become a new creature in Jesus Christ...if they onlt could hear and do.
---aka on 8/21/10


---JackB on 8/20/10- the more I read of your posts the more I find myself agreeing with you.
---mima on 8/21/10


It appears that Jesus required certain works for salvation, but Paul did not. Why is that?
---ger.toshav on 8/20/10


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And the lawyer replied saying.....And Jesus replied with," do this and ye shall live."
---earl on 8/20/10


The simplest and only Gospel that applies today, revealed to Paul by the ascended Christ.

Ephes.3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

l Cor. 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you THE GOSPEL which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2: By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 4 and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 8/20/10


You must believe that:

1. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh (John 8:24, John 1:10,14)

2. Its necessary to repent of your sins, this doesnt mean to be perfect. It means to have a change of heart. (Luke 13:5, 17:3)

3. Christ died, and was risen from the dead. Our sin was put on Him. (Romans 10:9)
(Isaiah 53:6)

4. Have faith in Gods promises in Jesus Christ. This is why God declares us righteous. Not because we are sinless, but because of our faith in HIS goodness. He wants our trust! We are given eternal life because of what God has done for us. Not because we've earned it. (John 1:12, Hebrews 11:6 Romans 4:20-22)
---JackB on 8/20/10


Repent, Repent and Repent!!! For the Kingdom of God is at Hand.

Both John the Baptist and Jesus said this.

Acts 2:38 - Repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, etc.,

Believe - believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, that he is the Son of God and the Messiah and that God raised him from the dead and you shall be saved (Romans).
---Donna5535 on 8/20/10


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-- Ger.Toshav :

Brother, We have many members in the One Body of Christ, and all members have not the same office, so instead of seeking a list of doctrine... Seek instead an ever growing relationship with the Comforter who shall comes to dwell within you after Receiving Christ into your Heart.

The Comforter is the Spirit of Truth which will Guide you into All Truth. God's Holy Spirit shall Reveal to you the Way of the Kingdom of God and keep you in Remembrance of the Saving Life which is in Christ!!!

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied






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---ShawnM.T. on 8/20/10


YHWH chose you prior to creation because he New that during your life time you loved him as a father and Christ as your brother. That is what being in the family of God is about.

You my do many thing in response to YHWH adopting you but that is simply a mater of respect and thankfulness and a precondition for nothing.
---Friendly_Blogger on 8/20/10


ger.toshav....it doesn't get any plainer than this: just as moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so the son of man must be lifted up, that whosoever believes may have eternal life.
---JIM on 8/20/10


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