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Have you ever been to a Church(es) which have there TEACHING/PREACHING and FOUNDATION based on what is written in Colossians 2:8?

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Ignatius: "And as I have told before in another blog (in which you never respond)..,"

I respond when the Holy Spirit moves me.

Ignatius: "...if you believe you do not have your own rituals, traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible, then you are in denial!"

The christian lifestyle is anything but rituals and traditions. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," "comfort," "encourag" to learn what a christian life is all about. My life is mostly spontaneous and not the same day after day - different people having different problems.
---Steveng on 8/30/10


Ignatius: "...if you believe you do not have your own rituals, traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible, then you are in denial!"

As for "ways of living" and "interpretations" there is only one one way of living and only one interpretation - the Words of Christ only. The christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle especially during these end times when the harvest is plenty and the workers are few. (again, do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," "comfort," and "encourag")

As for interpretations: only DO what Christ preached and you can't go wrong. Colossians 2:8-10
---Steveng on 8/30/10


"You are in as much of a denial than all the other people who join denominaional churches - each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible." (StevenG)

And as I have told before in another blog (in which you never respond), if you believe you do not have your own rituals, traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible, then you are in denial!

You can't get around this simple fact! You can fool yourself into believing anything different, but the facts are there.

Don't attack Cluny or any other member here for the same thing you are guilty of. At least Cluny is in a PRE-DENOMINATIONAL Church!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/30/10


Cluny: "That's why I'm Orthodox... In the Orthodox Church, the worship is offered according to the Biblical model..."

You are in as much of a denial than all the other people who join denominaional churches - each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible. They, too, think the way you do believing that they are biblically based. All say the same thing you are saying about your denominaional church. Does your church have a building (filled with earthly treasures: paintings, statues, and other iconic images)? Does your church's services follow a rigid ritual? Is your church "controlled" by the government?
---Steveng on 8/29/10


Since I have been saved, ten years, now. I have had the privilege of going to church and listening to only ONE SAVED PREACHER. I visited several. ONE SAVED PREACHER. In the whole bunch.
---catherine on 8/29/10




\\NEVER HAVE!
Churches today are just Social clubs that "teach the traditions of men as doctrines of G-d".\\

Quite right, John.

That's why I'm Orthodox.

All Western Churches, including the ones you go to, teach traditions and precepts of men.

In the Orthodox Church, as I said before, the worship is offered according to the Biblical model as is pleasing to God, and the pure saving word is preached without fear or favor.
---Cluny on 8/29/10


For the record-
God alone knows the heart of each soul He has created.When we gather together acknowledging in agreement that He exist and Praise Him for His grace in mercy and the Love He has for us-THAT is Beautiful!.
When hearing what is stated concerning the Word of God-listen-wait for Him to confirm whether it is His truth.
His Love for us is so much greater-Let the Word divide truth-in love.
My intention is not to judge-any Church and to encourage fellowship of the brethren.If the only agreemnet you could find is the acknowledgment of His existence-Praise Him-don't let your joy be stolen.
What ever the agreement is-find it.
Phil 2(all)
If [there] be therefore any consolation in Christ.....
Be ye likeminded...
---char on 8/29/10


NEVER HAVE!
Churches today are just Social clubs that "teach the traditions of men as doctrines of G-d".

From the RCC to the latest fad rock/roll Ricky Warren cool Starbuck carrying Beugoiese Clubs. They all have traditions and defend them even in the face of G-d. Damnation awaits them!!!

From the Pagan RCC/Orthos to the "Save by (30 second sinners prayer ticket) grace. now lets eat the fatted Ox of Potluck. They are ALL have manmade apostasies which they defend even against G-d Himself.

AND>>>>G-D WILL NOT BE MOCKED!

Enjoy your "Fellowship" Potluck where you hear deep spiritual teachings such as...MMMM!! Emma that sure is good apple Pie.. Hey Bob did you get the house yet...

AMEN!
---John on 8/28/10


Amen.--Steveng on 8/26/10
No work of man is good enough for their salvation.Only In Christ are we made righteous-If we know He is God-we know why He is called good-what one might consider a sacrifice-isn't when all desire is for Him-everything has less value.He won't need to question why we call Him Good-only God is good-and follow because we trust Our Father as a Child.We trust He provided everything we need to know Him---Himself.His Word-Him teaching-Him confirming(Holy Spirit).Not one to be considered Good-accept God.(Mk10:17)Only Believing In Christ-Through Christ is our salvation.Love God-Through Him-Love one another because God is Love.He works through us-He alone gets the Glory,Rom7:6,Cor 2,Gal 5:22
---char on 8/28/10


David, yeah, especailly when it is written that without works, faith is dead. This is where a christians grows his or her own vine. It is also written that a multitude of sins will be forgiven when a christian brings a person into the Kingdom of God.
---Steveng on 8/27/10




Not every one who says, "Lord, Lord," shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that does the will of the Father who is in heaven.---Steveng on 8/26/10

Sadly Steven, most believer's do not believe that it is necessary to "Do" the will of God to get into Heaven.
---David on 8/27/10


All christian churches claim to be biblically based, but are you personally?

Not every one who says, "Lord, Lord," shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that does the will of the Father who is in heaven. Many will say in the end times, "Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?"

Also, Matthew 25:33-46

Do not let your denominational church or your government do what you are to do personally.
---Steveng on 8/26/10


\\ We are seeing a revival in the church with people getting saved and baptized.\\

You don't try to revive a living, breathing, heathy body, do you?
---Cluny on 8/26/10


Every Sunday and Wednesday I attended a church that is Biblically based. The church picks up vans full of underprivileged kids and adults of all races, including from group homes for the mentally ill. We have many volunteers who teach classes and drive the vehicles. We serve a small meal after Wednesday classes for everybody that is there. The church has a food pantry and serves two meals a day in summer when kids aren't able to eat. We are seeing a revival in the church with people getting saved and baptized. We are seeing ex-felons come to the Lord and be witnesses to this town. People are amazed at what God is doing. When you give the glory to God, no one person becomes the "idol" to the church.
---KarenD on 8/26/10


\\Church needs to put God, our Savior, Jesus Christ in the center and for front.\\

The REAL Church, does, catherine. You've just not been to a real church yet. I guess your religious spirit is preventing you.

In the Real Church (Orthodox) the worship is offered as is pleasing to God according to the true Biblical model, and the full Word of God is preached without fear or favor or human respect.
---Cluny on 8/24/10


I never have heard those Scriptures preached. Church needs to put God, our Savior, Jesus Christ in the center and for front. The whole experience of going to church should be in celebration. Celebrating that Jesus was raised from the dead and, now, He has made us alive in Him. All believers should forever rejoice in this. When life is rough remind yourselves, "At least I am saved".
---catherine on 8/24/10


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Christians ARE the church - not a building, a denomination, or a non-profit corporation (of which all are denominations). The christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle - not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational "churhces." Jesus is returning to marry his church - not a building, a denomination, or a non-profit corporation.

Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," each other," "comfort," and "encourag."
---Steveng on 8/23/10


Eloy, we disagree on most things, but I agree with what you wrote on 8/23/10 and I commend you for it.
---Rob on 8/23/10


Eloy:

A few times, I listened to some woman on television that would blather on about some things, and supplement them with readings from the Bible and from Ellen G. White. I was struck by the contrast - the Biblical quotations sounded clear and authoritative, while the White quotes sounded completely different - wishy-washy and not clear at all.

Christian Science is neither Christian, nor is it Science.
---StrongAxe on 8/23/10


Rob, One of the main points for congregating together as a Christian Church is to hear the Word from God, if not then the preacher is squandering away everybodies time. Taking scriptures out of context, and committing idolatry, are two different kinds of sins. And preaching philosophies of the world rather than preaching Christ is another type of sin. The scripture is clear: we must put Christ and his righteous first, which is love the Lord our God with all our heart and life and conscience and might, for this is the first and great commandment: and the second is like it, we must love our neighbors as we love ourselves, for this is the second great commandment. And all the Law and the Prophets hang upon these teo commandments.
---Eloy on 8/23/10


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Few churches even have a foundation.

1 Cor.10.According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
---michael_e on 8/23/10


Eloy, what are your thoughts concerning teachers/preachers who use very little Bible, if they use any at all?

What about those who when they use scrupture, they take it out of the true context which it is written, Romans 1:25?

Are they not doing what is written in Colossians 2:8?
---Rob on 8/23/10


"Beware else any person captivate you through philosophy and vain deceit, according to the tradition of men after the rudiments of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:8. Yes, I visited a christian science church one time which had their philosophy, but they had no Jesus Christ in their church.
---Eloy on 8/22/10


"Every church in existence has been influenced to some degree by exposure to Western philosophy, usually beginning with St. Augustine. " (ger.toshav)

Not true. While it is true that Saint Augustine the Blessed views on Ancestral Sin, predestination, Filoguism, among others things, shaped Western Christianity, the same can not be said about Eastern Christianity. We still considered many of his views heretical.

Saint Augustine the Blessed is just one theologian among the many in Orthodoxy, and although His writings are filled with genius, he is not infallible.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/22/10


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\\Every church in existence has been influenced to some degree by exposure to Western philosophy, usually beginning with St. Augustine. You can't escape it. So just do the best you can with what you've got....
---ger.toshav on 8/21/10\\

Out of curiosity, ger.toshav, how much of St. Augustine have you actually read?

In the Orthodox Churches and the East generally, he is not the universal solvent he became in the West, but is simply one writer among many, and not as influential as most.
---Cluny on 8/22/10


That's all most Protestantism is: traditions and precepts of men.

And not even very old ones, but usually the pet ideas of the pastor.
---Cluny on 8/22/10


YES! Most of them are within the mainstream churches, mega churches.So I avoid them at all costs. there are some other churches I have been to that teach from the bible itself & doesn't add on their own opinions. Those are good to stick with.
---Candice on 8/22/10


Yes, in all the Protestant churches I have been to in the past.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/21/10


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Every church in existence has been influenced to some degree by exposure to Western philosophy, usually beginning with St. Augustine. You can't escape it. So just do the best you can with what you've got....
---ger.toshav on 8/21/10


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