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Is CHRIST the only way to GOD THE FATHER John 14:6, or do you believe like some people I have come across, you can go to GOD in other ways and through other people?

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I would suggest that many of you look yourselves in the mirror and make your assurance of salvation sure. For much repenting needs to be done. You want to call that works, you sure can, because it will have to be your works that give evidence of who you are. A brother does not stab another brother in the back. Or a sister a brother, for grudges they have. You are following the line of Cain.
---MarkV. on 10/7/10


"Kathr has said alot real bad stuff to me and you were no where to be found. Where were you?" MarkV it did not seem so bad ... in fact it was not as bad as many things you have said about me.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/7/10

There is nothing WORSE than telling people they are saving themselves who have placed their FAITH in Jesus Christ. There is nothing worse than shipwrecking someone faith because they disagree with limited this or that.

Jesus took ALL SIN FOR ALL MANKIND upon Himself. That is a FACT stated many times in scripture.

Faith is NOT OF WORKS is also clearly stated!
---kathr4453 on 10/7/10


The question isn't who jumped in, where they jumped in, or how they jumped in. The question is whether someone who claims to get all facts from the Holy Spirit really does. That was blown off as waste of time, but far more has been wasted refuting the evidence.
---Linda on 10/7/10


I have never thought Jack was Kathr or vice-versa. Even if I thought they might be, making such an accusation without consulting the Spirit of God would be foolish. God and they know who they are and a false accusation only reveals to God and them that you really don't get all your facts from the Holy Ghost. That right there would be enough to keep me from making the accusation to begin with since it reflects on my own willingness or unwillingness to walk in the Spirit and involve Him in every aspect and decision of my life.
---Linda on 10/7/10


MarkV I have been looking back over this blog, because you said "Kathr has said alot real bad stuff to me and you were no where to be found

There has been some vigorous presntation of comment about the subject, but nothing more.

And yet, we see numerous personal attacks made by you, culminating in the false charge against Kathr & Jack, and also against me.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/7/10




Alan, I feel very sorry for you. From this day on, I release all respect for you. I know Kathr is not my sister, and as it looks you are not my brother either. You have picked a side. And there is sides, I know most of those in your side very well. I am sorry you took that approach. Please I don't need another answer from you. Nothing you say means anything to me as far as I'm concern.
---MarkV. on 10/7/10


MarkV "Alan, it didn't take much for you to join in". Actually, it took me a long time to jump in because I had nothing to contribute to the discussion

"I already read what jack said, he said he was not Kathr. I accept his word" Why did you not say so? You never apologise for any error or misrepresentationo that you make.

You can't just say, "Even if it not true, I'm not concerend if they are distressed by my false accusation" Or rather, you can, but you should ntot.

"Kathr has said alot real bad stuff to me and you were no where to be found. Where were you?" MarkV it did not seem so bad ... in fact it was not as bad as many things you have said about me.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/7/10


//Let me tell you something Alan, I already read what jack said, he said he was not Kathr. I accept his word. Whether he is or not I really don't care.//--- MarkV

You've accepted my word before only to turn around 2 months later and accuse me of being Kathr yet again.

You are dodging the truth of scripture that at least 4 of us (likely from different denominations) have given you by turning the discussion into the ol' "JackB and Kathr are the same person" hogwash.

Christ PURGED our sins. He took them upon himself (became our sin), died, went to prison (yet he was not left in hell) and was raised again. All that is left is the one sin that will determine a man's fate. Belief or unbelief in Christ.
---JackB on 10/7/10


Mark, why is it that everyone who speaks against your teachings you accuse of basically stalking you?

While Kathr, Alan, Linda and I probably disagree on many things, when we all come together in agreement on one thing (being from different denominations) how can you be so bold as to think that everyone else but yourself is wrong? The Bible specifically states that Christ became sin. Yet youre the only one to deny it. Noone is saying He is still sin. He has PURGED those sins. They are gone.

Are we not to contend for the faith as well? When we see you err in their doctrine and teach it to others should we sit back and watch you lead others into deception?

What kind of Christians would we be if we did that?
---JackB on 10/7/10


The ONLY way to Heaven!!! BY FAITH right from Genesis thru Revelation!

Genesis 3:15 a redeemer/Messiah/Christ is promised
Job said: I know that my redeemer/Messiah/Christ liveth.
Isaiah 53 The Lamb of God /Redeemer/Messiah/Christ again re-iterated Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way, and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all
John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world..
2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/10




Alan, it didn't take much for you to join in. You do that every chance you get. I did not see one post to correct Kathr for what she says, or Jack or for that matter anyone else on line who speaks terrible to someone else only me. You have been doing that since I opposed your views and you cannot stand that, just like Linda. How dare me to do such things to such holy and righteous people.
Let me tell you something Alan, I already read what jack said, he said he was not Kathr. I accept his word. Whether he is or not I really don't care. Kathr has said alot real bad stuff to me and you were no where to be found. Where were you? Waiting for me?
---MarkV. on 10/7/10


Only takes a second or two to ask, "Holy Spirit, is JackB really Kathr?" It took more time than that to jump to the conclusion that he was and then type out that false witness on this blog. It is never a waste of time to get your facts from the Spirit of God. It is a waste time to assume through carnal means and end up not even walking in the Spirit. I find your reasoning for not doing so nothing more than a cover up for walking in the flesh. That was a pretty interesting piecing together of fig leaves. The Holy Spirit is as involved in the small things as He is in the large things, especially as it pertains to us personally. As it were, both time AND space was wasted bearing false witness.
---Linda on 10/6/10


Mark ... I have noticed that JackB and Kathr do write in similar terminlogy, and do hold much the same views. But that does not make them the same person.

And they have denied it ... by not now accepting that they are not the same person, you are maintaining the accusation.

And I suggest that should bother you.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/6/10


//Jack, I would not waste my time in prayer trying to find out if you are Kathr. // --- MarkV

And yet you found it not a waste of time to accuse me of it.
---JackB on 10/6/10


Jack, I would not waste my time in prayer trying to find out if you are Kathr. I have more pressing things to bring before the Lord, like women I pray for who have breast cancer, children that have been taken that have not been found, my brothers and sisters who are sick on the website, church and family. No Jack, finding out who someone is not my priority. Kathr has changed names before and was found out already. What's to stop her again? So when you answered for her as if you were been talk to, not once but three times, it gave evidence it was her again. Maybe you are not, but I said it does not bother me what you both do. It is not I that is doing it. I don't have to answer to God for that.
---MarkV. on 10/6/10


Amen JackB. Well said. God does not live within the small confines of the human reasoning, no matter how good it looks on paper. Lengthy explanations, naysaying, and religious theological jargon come short of the glory of a living breathing relationship with the Father through Jesus Christ in the person of the Holy Spirit. Those who do not understand the role of the Holy Ghost is guiding us in everyday trivial affairs would be hard pressed to convince me they knew the truth when they heard it since it is the same Holy Ghost who witnesses to such. That same witness is there for both. Paul said, "God is my witness" on occasion to shut the mouths of naysayers and false witnesses who tried to say he wasn't who he said he was too.
---Linda on 10/6/10


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The Holy Spirit guides me into all truth, let's me know if someone is lying or not, tells me where my children are when they forget to call. He let's me know when any of my family is in trouble and nudges me to pray to avert the danger they are in. He told me when my dad was ready to go home to be with the Lord and reassures me that all is well. He gives me warning when I am doing something that will lead me into a dangerous situation and gives me opportunity to go another direction. He quickens my mortal body, makes Jesus real to me every day of my life, and gives me utterance when I fail for the words to speak or the prayer to lift up. It really is too bad you have put such a box around Him.
---Linda on 10/6/10


If you will listen closely, the Holy Spirit WILL prevent you from bearing false witness against someone. No man can tame the tongue, but it can be submitted to the Spirit of God who will make better use of it.
---Linda on 10/6/10


//Jack, I'm not bothered at all. Yet it bothered you. //---MarkV

Yes, Mark, it bothers me because for someone who claims to be so in tune with the real truth, you've just proven yourself to be quite delusional instead. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

//Jack, three times you answered as if you were Kathr//

So I take it you didnt pray to the Lord to ask if I am Kathr? God doesnt want us to live in deception. Ask Him Mark. He will answer. Unless you just dont want to ask because He might tell you that you are mistaken.

If you wont ask for enlightenment on such a trivial matter it, how do you expect anyone to whom you preach to honestly believe you are enlightened to anything that REALLY matters?
---JackB on 10/6/10


Jack, I'm not bothered at all. Yet it bothered you. Why did you answer for her as if I was speaking to you?
Then you said," my answer lets you know I am not in touch with the Holy Spirit"
The Holy Spirit's job in my life, is not to see if you are using another name. He is revealing the Truth of Scripture to me so that I can bring it to you, whoever you are.
You said, Jesus became sin, that would mean that God came in the flesh, and then turned to sin. A Holy God. Sorry, but He never did.
Then you said,
Because our sin was upon Him and the Father let Him die"
our sin was upon Him, but it did not turn Him into sin. He was a sinless Holy Christ when He died and rose again.
---MarkV. on 10/6/10


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MarkV, you can believe what you want, brother. Just the fact you truly believe that I am Kathr lets me know you arent as in touch with the Holy Spirit as you think. If you were you would hear Him telling you that you are wrong about us.

//I deny Jesus Christ became sin. He never became sin//---MarkV

2 Cor 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Why do you think he cried out "My God , My God, why have you forsaken me?" Because our sin was upon Him and the Father let Him die.

Pray tonight Mark and ask the Lord if I am Kathr. Please let me know the answer he gives you.
---JackB on 10/6/10


Jack, three times you answered as if you were Kathr. And Kathr has answered for you a few times also. It seems to me after reading so many of your post that you are her, what happens is that as time goes by you will expose yourself.
The first time I thought you were her, was when I did not see any post from her, I saw your post. Then for a little while her name comes up, and Jack's disappears. Now this is the third time you responded as if you were been addressed. That's ok, Kathr. I will not condemn you for it.
concerning Christ,
I deny Jesus Christ became sin. He never became sin, bread, or a rock. He took our sin as a substitute for us. but didn't become sin, He was holy sinless till death and is holy still sinless now.
---MarkV. on 10/5/10


There is a popular religious cultural belief that there are many paths to God despite what religion one may belong to.
But this is basically a salvation by good works.

However, Christianity teaches that there is only one way and that is through Jesus.

As to the judgement of those who do not believe in Christ, I believe that is not our affair. Let God be the Judge of those who have not believed on Him.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

Were these books simply blank pages?
---leej on 10/3/10


Mark, dont sweat the small stuff. I dont hold grudges brother.

However (cough),

"Can you show one place where I denied Christ?"

You didnt deny who He IS, but you denied His purpose which was to bear the sins of mankind so that they could go free.

If He didnt take our sin upon himself and give us his OWN righteousness, then our sin is still upon us and we have no savior.
We are still guilty and without hope before a righteous and just God.
---JackB on 10/3/10


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Kathr, if your purpose was for Christ, you would be putting down passages with their context to proof that what you say from Scripture is correct, but instead you concentrate on me personally. It never ends. You are obsess with me as a person, and not Christ.
You imply you can also read mind and see things that are not there when you say,
"You many times here deny the Cross, or that it was even necessary!"

Can you show one place where I denied Christ? Or where did I say He was not necessary? Your foolish and very troubled. John Calvin has troubled your mind, because he spoke the Truth when it pertain to Scripture, and his teachings contradict what you teach.
---MarkV. on 10/2/10


//Jack, even the devil believes but does not make him save. In fact there is no salvation for angels only humans. Just believing saves no one//--- MarkV

Colossian 1:15-20 makes it very clear that Christ is the image of the invisible God by whom ALL things were created and those things include thrones, dominions, principalities and powers.

It pleased the Father that in Christ all fulness should dwell and that by Him ALL things should be reconciled to himself....whether they are things in heaven or things in earth.

I have never read that Christ died for the sins of Lucifer so I will not claim that, but its obvious from this passage that the shedding of Christs blood was for more than just mankind.
---JackB on 10/1/10


Paul's devotion to Jesus was called "THE way". As SAUL. he persecuted the followers of Jesus (the group called "THE WAY") and when he became PAUL, he joined THE WAY (mentioned many times in Acts).....John 14:6 "I am THE WAY....".

2 Thessalonians 2:10 and 11
"and with ALL WICKED DECEPTION.....11 a STRONG delusion"...(the strong delusion IS NOT A FUTURE EVENT).

"I am who I am" (Exodus 3:14) explained to Ezekiel why He sent a strong delusion.

Ezekiel 14:3
"Son of man,...should I let myself be inquired of AT ALL by them?".

...there is not a "BEST" way, but God looks at the heart, not 'mistaken beliefs'. Set your heart, mind, and attitudes right.
---more_excellent_way on 10/1/10


Jack, even the devil believes but does not make him save. In fact there is no salvation for angels only humans. Just believing saves no one. In fact those at the gate said they had done many things for God, so they believed in Him, and He told them to go away, He never knews them.
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---MarkV. on 9/30/10


Exactly MarkV, that's why James tells us faith without works/obedience is dead!!!!

Yet you have not obeyed Romans 6-8 or Galatians 2:20..you don't even KNOW what it means. You many times here deny the Cross, or that it was even necessary!
---kathr4453 on 10/1/10


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the road to heaven:
(Gal 5:22-26 [NET])
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Now those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
If we live by the Spirit, let us also behave in accordance with the Spirit.
Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, being jealous of one another.
---Royll on 9/30/10


JackB: "//Even the devil believes that Christ is who He is.//-- MarkV

Jesus Christ didnt die for the sins of the devil.

Very bad point."

You missed MarkV's point. He was only confirming that Satan and all his followers recognize Christ for who he is: the son of God. What MarkV wrote didn't say anything about dying for Satan's sins. You are sacrificing comprehension for speed reading. Re-read each post very slowing, maybe you'll understand better.
---Steveng on 9/30/10


//Just believing saves no one. In fact those at the gate said they had done many things for God, so they believed in Him, and He told them to go away, He never knews them. //-- MarkV

That passage could also by about:

1. Christians who were trying to work their way to heaven by following the law (mixing law and grace for righteousness)

2. those who never truly believed but used the name of Christ to bring praise to themselves or profit from it (fake TV evangelists are a perfect example of this)

And if they "believed in Him" they have been drawn and are predestined and Christ would never reject them in the first place (according to you).

Youre contradicting yourself....yet again.
---JackB on 9/30/10


Jack, even the devil believes but does not make him save. In fact there is no salvation for angels only humans. Just believing saves no one. In fact those at the gate said they had done many things for God, so they believed in Him, and He told them to go away, He never knews them.
When you read passages look to see if the Word says they were saved, or righteous or some indicating they came to saving faith. When you see the word believe, you need to make sure if that believe comes from faith in Christ, His works on the Cross and His resurrection.
---MarkV. on 9/30/10


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//Even the devil believes that Christ is who He is.//-- MarkV

Jesus Christ didnt die for the sins of the devil.

Very bad point.
---JackB on 9/30/10


Hebrews 10:1-4

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.



Its not just blood that takes away our sin. Its the POWER in the blood of Christ. Otherwise God could have just condemned animals for our sin.
---JackB on 9/30/10


While Christ Jesus is the only way to salvation / heaven, He does not exclude those who are ignorant of Him, His Father, or His laws.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

So there will be those in heaven who have never heard of This Jesus the Christ.
---francis on 9/30/10


Steveng
I am afraid that some of the lingo is so deeply entrenched in the mindset of Christians today that it is beyond change. I agree with what you said 100% and have tried at great length in the past to demonstrate it with scriputre on these forums but to no avail.

Philippians 3:10, "That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death,"
Hebrews 2:14, "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil,"
---Bruce5656 on 9/30/10


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"The blood is not literal in meaning. It is a metaphor meaning the death of Jesus."
The above statement by ---Steveng is incorrect.(Wrong)
---mima on 9/30/10


Jesus rose from the dead THROUGH the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant.Hebrews 13:20-21

The LIFE is in the Blood!


Faith by Hearing for dummies 101:

John 4: 39And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.
40So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
41And many more believed because of his own word,
42And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/10


\\Steveng>>>YOU MAKE ME SICK. I am going to throw-up all over your unholy shoes. Ahhh.
---catherine on 9/30/10\\

Nausea and even vomiting when presented with sound doctrine is usually a manifestations of demonic activity in the person.
---Cluny on 9/30/10


Steveng>>>YOU MAKE ME SICK. I am going to throw-up all over your unholy shoes. Ahhh.
---catherine on 9/30/10


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catherine: "Oh, my friends, never diminish the cross! THE BLOOD, is what gets you to heaven. NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD."

The blood is not literal in meaning. It is a metaphor meaning the death of Jesus. The Jewish people are a very creative people. That's why they succeed in any creative field: art, movies, music, etc. Science can also be creative in many ways.

There is no BEST way to get to heaven, there is only one way: through Jesus. He is the way, the truth, and the life. But there is only one word that will get you into heaven. The one word that ALL the commandments hang upon. It is the ultimate word that Jesus spoke of: LOVE.
---Steveng on 9/29/10


Kathr, the woman at the well did recognize that Jesus had special powers but verse 29 tells us she was not sure "Could this be the Christ?" And many that heard her story also believed He must be the Messiah. The One talked about in the Scriptures and yet many didn't. But that does not mean they were saved, or that they had a repented heart. None of them are we told confessed Jesus Christ as their Savior or that they put their faith and Trust in the works of Christ or His resurrection. Or that they were people of Faith. Even the devil believes that Christ is who He is. Many times even the apostles did not believe Christ, because Jesus would tell them, "why do you not believe?" So that example is not a good one.
---MarkV. on 9/29/10


Oh, my friends, never diminish the cross! THE BLOOD, is what gets you to heaven. NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD.
---catherine on 9/29/10

OH catherine!!! God bless you!!!

Case CLOSED!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/29/10


Oh, my friends, never diminish the cross! THE BLOOD, is what gets you to heaven. NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD.
---catherine on 9/29/10


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"Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me"

Exactly Faith comes by HEARING.

MarkV, but YOU say you have to be born again first to come to Christ. Here says nothing about being born again first, but those who have HEARD and learned come to Christ. Again, faith comes by HEARING. In the OT they were TAUGHT through all the types and shadows of the law, Sacrifice of lambs etc. They were also taught through the Prophets. They were taught many things about the coming Messiah.

The woman at the well stated she HEARD.

John 4:25-43

25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things
---kathr4453 on 9/29/10


Kathr, again you did a lot of twisting and scrambling ideas to make one point. Took the passage in John and gave it a new meaning. If it as you say that God taught the Jews which means all Israel then why didn't they come to Christ? Since the passage says,
"And they shall all be taught by God "Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me"
Can you explain that? I don't think so.
Then you said,
"MarkV, You claim God saves you first to bring you TO Christ to believe what Christ has done."
When did I say that? I said that God the Holy Spirit brings you to life. Eph. 1:1.
When He brings you to life, you see, hear, and gives you a new heart towards Christ.
---MarkV. on 9/29/10


We cannot divide the trinity, they are one. One in purpose, one in attributes, one in every way. Ask me to explain this, I can't, neither can any one else. Is Jesus the only way of salvation, many already quoted the scriptures to prove this. Why do some preachers teach other ways, the Bible says that many will listen to and believe false teaching because they have itching ears. It's what they want to hear. If Christ is not the only way then my way is just as good, and I don't have to admit there is one greater than I or to whom I must submit.
---Harold on 9/27/10


Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me" Yes, Jesus is the way to God for all those who are lost. "The only Father we have is God Himself" John 8:44
---MarkV. on 9/27/10

MarkV, Jesus is talking to Israel, who were in fact TAUGHT. You however a gentile were never TAUGHT anything. AND if you happened to live in those days, the ONLY way you could know and be TAUGHT anything concerning the Messiah etc, was to become a proselyte and joined to Israel.

Jesus here is not talking to Gentiles, but JEWS who should have known better!

Jesus tells all before ascending ..the Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself but TESTIFY of me.
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10


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All through Scripture we are told that the Father is God. Jesus is God, and when you try to divide the deity you bring heretical views that deminishes the Work of the Father and of the Son.
---MarkV. on 9/27/10

MarkV, You claim God saves you first to bring you TO Christ to believe what Christ has done.

You know NOTHING about what God taught through OT Types and shadows. NO ONE could enter the Holy of Holies except the priest FOR the sin of the People. NOW Christ has entered once and for all that THROUGH HIM you may have access to the Father. Why are YOU more privileged than anyone else. Even Jesus HIMSELF approached Paul...Yet we see Paul believed in God! The Father did NOT draw Paul first to Christ!
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10


mima, that was an excellent question.

After a person says all those things, THEN I would ask, Yes, but did he/she KNOW the Lord?

Many know this doctrine or that, they can discuss this or that all the live long day, but it never proves they KNOW the Lord.

Those of us who KNOW the Lord, KNOW when someone is filled with head knowledge and no heart for the lost, or those who KNOW our calling is to have a passion for bringing lost souls to Christ!
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10


Kathr, because of your theories you twist passages to act like you know what you are saying, but it gives evidence that your purpose is not for the Truth. In the process you insinuate that the Father does not draw people to Himself. contradicting the Word altogether. Jesus Himself answered in John 6:44-45,
"Do not murmur among yourselves, No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me" Yes, Jesus is the way to God for all those who are lost. "The only Father we have is God Himself" John 8:44
---MarkV. on 9/27/10


Kathr 2 continue: Jesus also said, "I and the Father are one" and went on to say, "But if I do, though you do not believe Me, "believed the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me and I in Him"
All through Scripture we are told that the Father is God. Jesus is God, and when you try to divide the deity you bring heretical views that deminishes the Work of the Father and of the Son.
---MarkV. on 9/27/10


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Romans 11:30-32
For as ye( Gentiles AKA MarkV) in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. That God may have MERCY on ALL!!!

James 2:13
For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy, and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

So then, WE who have OBTAINED Mercy, not begged for it, Preach to those who are unbelievers the Mercy we have obtained through Jesus death and shed blood that takes away sin, that He died for all..
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10


Rob, no one can come to the Father except through His Son Jesus Christ.

Yet, we have some here that believe no one can come to Christ unless they first come by the Father...the COMPLETE opposite.

Now when Jesus was on earth it would be the Father of the Jews (Israel my First Born!! (not Gentiles) who would bring believing Jews looking for the Messiah to Jesus. But that was while Jesus was in the form of a man, and HE was indwelt with the Holy Spirit.

Today, the Holy Spirit testifies of Christ to the World, points to Christ where as then Christ points to God the Father, reconciling us to the Father.
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10


Mima, you said,
"MarkV the purpose of the question is to get those who are living to examine themselves. The dead is dead but the living is living and to my way of thinking have an opportunity to be saved."
The only way they will come to God is through God's Holy Word which brings life, the Gospel of Christ. Asking them where they are heading is not bringing the Word of God to them. It's only showing that you are saved they are not. And you don't know what their relationship is with God or who is going to heaven and who is not. Predestination has nothing whatsoever to do with that question. No one knows who the elect are. And who God will save or when He will save them.
---MarkV. on 9/27/10


//Mima, I have a question for you,
Why should you inquire if the person went to - heaven? What purpose does it serve? //-- MarkV

If we're goin to only discuss things that will serve a purpose then we'd have to stop talking about predestination as well.

What difference does it make if other Christians believe in predestination? I mean they are saved regardless of whether they believe in individual election or the election of the body of Christ. They have faith in Christ and thats all that matters right? Unless youre going to now suggest that people who dont believe exactly as you do are lost even though they have faith in Christ.

I hope youre not so foolish.
---JackB on 9/26/10


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MarkV the purpose of the question is to get those who are living to examine themselves. The dead is dead but the living is living and to my way of thinking have an opportunity to be saved. I realize of course that your believing in predestination would rule out any of those who are not of the elect.
---mima on 9/26/10


Mima, I have a question for you,
Why should you inquire if the person went to heaven? What purpose does it serve? He is dead, right? And only God knows if he went to heaven, so all you are going to get is someone's opinion, right? It's a little late to inquire if he is heading to heaven. He is dead after all. What you will get is resentment from those who loved the person. And that is the wrong time to ask those questions. Oh, you will hear he did go to heaven from some, but even they don't know either. It was just a question since you posted what you did.
---MarkV. on 9/26/10


you may be correct about pagans ,but actually the quran book 29 verse 46 speaks to the jews it says our allah and your allah are the same,or are one.it is widely accepted by scholars that islam worships the God of abraham.
---tom2 on 9/25/10


Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, NO ONE comes to the Father but by me."

Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it for me.

Jesus is the mediator between God and man. No Allah (by the way Allah is not Jehovah). Some are saying that Allah and Jehovah are the same God - NOT TRUE.

Allah is a false god, god of the moon.
Jehovah is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.
---Donna5535 on 8/30/10


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The only way that a person can get into heaven is through Jesus Christ and His mighty Blood, will get you there through His GRACE>>>You must be "born-again". Sorry, there is absolutely no other way. God made these rules before He ever created this world. After, you have received the new birth, then you have 100% all the time access to the Father because of His Blood which was shed on a cross along time ago.
---catherine on 8/30/10


Best way? There is only ONE way to enter into communion with God the Father, and that is through Jesus Christ His Son. Anything else is just sinking sand and self-deception.
---tommy3007 on 8/24/10


One can only get to heaven or to God through Jesus Christ 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus. There is no other way,one must believe Jesus is the son of God in human flesh,was crucified for our sins,rose again,alive and sits on the righthand of God having been given the power of the Godhead bodily. No belief in Jesus,no salvation.
---Darlene_1 on 8/23/10


Consider this scenario,

A man dies you inquire of his friends, do you think he went to heaven? And immediately they begin to tell you what a wonderful person he was, he was always helpful, he was very generous, he didn't drink or didn't do this or didn't do that, when truth be known they have not yet answered the question and when you ask them about this man's relationship with Jesus Christ they almost act insulted. As many of you know this scenario takes place all of the time.
---mima on 8/23/10


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You go through The Door of the sheep fold, & that Is Jesus Christ, & He has only One plan of salvation. Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20. Matt.24 v 13.

---Lawrence on 8/23/10


rob.I want you to know the truth,along with the scriptures you have been given there is another ,john 3-16,for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,that whosoever would believe on him shall not perish,but have ever lasting life. Believe me brother Jesus is the ONLY WAY.
---tom2 on 8/22/10


Rob>>>What you say is surely a sign of a false prophet. Stay away!
---catherine on 8/23/10


rob,those people want something from you,probably money.God offers salvation through his son,and only through his son.
---tom2 on 8/22/10


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Christ answers with another I AM statement. THE WAY. Christ is the only way to heaven [10:9]. THE TRUTH. Christ is the embodiment of all truth [8:32]. LIFE [1:4,3:16]. No man can approach the Father unless He does it through Christ....Yes---Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, for anyone.>>>Satan only come to steal, kill, and destroy. Christ gives life [salvation] and gives it abundantly. Note: God only listen to those who do His will and NOT to sinners [John 9:31-33].
---catherine on 8/22/10


"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'" (John 14:6)

Only Jesus in us can make us pleasing to our Father, in His love's "gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (in 1 Peter 3:4) Jesus says, "I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls," in Matthew 11:29. So, He is "gentle and lowly", making us "gentle and quiet", so pleasing to God like He is: "as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:17) And the beauty of His love is "incorruptible" (1 Peter 3:4) so evil emotions etc. can't mess with us (1 Peter 3:13), but we have His rest for our souls.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/22/10


Josef, Candice, and Tom2, why is it then I hear so many teachers/preachers on television telling people they have to go to God through them?
---Rob on 8/22/10


The Bible only mentions ONE way to heaven. That closes the matter and ends the discussion. Acts 4:12 (NASB77) "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved." That name is Christ!
---wivv on 8/22/10


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rob,it is very clear what the way is no matter what people believe.Jesus spoke plainly and said,Iam the way the truth the life ,no one comes to the father but by me,jesus also said unless you are born again of water and spirit you shall not enter into heaven.
---tom2 on 8/22/10


Jesus is the only way to the father. Church denominations do not get you there ,Jesus does.
---candice on 8/22/10


I believe it to be just as the verse is written.
"Nor is there salvation in any other [than Jesus], for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." Act 4:12 as it's witness.
"If indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious. [Come] to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious. 1Pe 2:3,4
---josef on 8/21/10


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