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Trav:

Again, you miss the point. Regardless which Tribes of Israel were still around 2000 years ago, and/or are still around today, and regardless of whether you call them Israel or Jews or Hebrews or anything else, the Law was written to them - NOT to us Christians. We are NOT bound by the Law. In fact, Paul called those who tried to make Christians keep the Law "Judaizers", and reproved them for doing so.
---StrongAxe on 8/27/10


A text without the context is a pretext.

\\Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger ( NONE JEWS) that sojourneth among you. \\

You're ripping verses from their context, francis.

The context here is talking about eating the Passover.

Numbers 15:16 is talking about offering sacrifices.

Or do you think the Bible was all written in individual discrete verses?
---Cluny on 8/27/10


francis:

And yet you ignore the very important predicates in all three verses that you quoted:
that sojourneth among you.
that sojourneth with you.
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain

Yes, gentiles who physically lived IN ISRAEL under the jurisdiction of the Jews were also under the Law. But this did not apply to gentiles OUTSIDE of Israel, and therefore not under Jewish jurisdiction.

We have exactly the same thing in the United States. U.S. Citizens are subject to U.S. law (whether at home or abroad). Aliens residing in the U.S. are subject to U.S. law, as are visitors to the United States, but aliens in other countries are not.
---StrongAxe on 8/27/10


You are both splitting hairs that miss the point.

Trav: Whether or not the Law was written to all Israel, or to the Jews (which, although not all Israel, was used as a term for Israel), the point is that it applies to them but does NOT apply to us.
---StrrongAxe on 8/27/10

Well, it is understood as all in the OTestament/covenant. They certainly were divorced for breaking. The Judeans/Benjamin representing the southern house retained the Marriage name Israel. The Nth house lost their name....but, are still the people.
They are found in the joining of Eze Sticks ....and the New Covenant Heb8:8./Jer 31:31.
Francis looks for connection and you avoid it.
---Trav on 8/27/10


The Law was written to Jews, under the covenant of Moses.
StrongAxe on 8/26/10

Actualy the bible says otherwise:

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger ( NONE JEWS) that sojourneth among you.

Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger ( NONE JEWS) that sojourneth with you.

Isaiah 56:7 Even them( NONE JEWS) will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

And what Law did the prostyltes ( NONE JEWS)follow?
---francis on 8/27/10




\\Slaughtering a lamb, and circumcision are BOTH BLOOD covenants. Once the blood of Jesus is shed we are to use his blood for all blood covenants.\\

And there's only ONE way we have access to this blood, and I've given it, but most people here won't abide sound doctrine.
---Cluny on 8/27/10


You are both splitting hairs that miss the point.

Trav: Whether or not the Law was written to all Israel, or to the Jews (which, although not all Israel, was used as a term for Israel), the point is that it applies to them but does NOT apply to us.

francis: Even if one chooses to replace the lamb sacrificed at Passover with Jesus, that still doesn't change the Law. Do you slaughter Jesus every year? Do you sprinkle Jesus's blood on your doorposts? Do you roast his flesh and eat it at your passover meal? Do you eve HAVE a passover meal? If not, then you are not obeying the instructions in the Law, and if you believe that all Christians are required to obey the whole Law, the you are condemned by your own belief.
---StrrongAxe on 8/27/10


Context is paramount in understanding anything that is written. The Law was written to Jews, ..---StrongAxe on 8/26/10

A correct statement on context. You are one necessary component shy for context. Law was written both times to All Israel. Judah/Benj equals one component. The remainder of Israel equals one composed of 10 collective national components.
In this particular post... New Covenant Laws are contextually to both houses. 12 components.
Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put MY LAWS into their mind, WRITE them in their hearts: I will be to them a God, they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 8/27/10


Do you slaughter a lamb each spring and sprinkle its blood on your doorposts?
StrongAxe on 8/26/10

This is a very good statement.
I would very much like to use it properly.

Slaughtering a lamb, and circumcision are BOTH BLOOD covenants. Once the blood of Jesus is shed we are to use his blood for all blood covenants.

CO=ompare animal sacrifice and circumcison to the rainbow and the sabbath covenants.
Some are blood covenants fulfilled by the blood of Christ, while two are none blood covenats.

What has been done away with is the sanctuary ( as pointed out in heabrews) which was the place of blood covenants.
---francis on 8/27/10


Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to CIRCUMCISE [their] children, neither to walk after the customs.

As you can see, this was limited to CIRCUMCISION, do you see anything about sabbath here? or anywhere else for that matter?

What about abstaining from blood. It that not very jewish? would it not be judaizing to ask them to abstain from blood or things strangled?
---francis on 8/27/10




\\Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:\\

leej, I've asked francis once already what apostle gave him the commandment to trouble people and subvert their souls with his neo-judaizing sect, but he never answered me.
---Cluny on 8/27/10


francis -//What else does the same law say?

the Old Covenant law says one had to be physically circumcised to be part of God's covenant.

True or False?

Ge 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people, he hath broken my covenant.

But what it required for believers under the New Covenant?

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

And now you know why Christians are not commanded to observe the old Jewish Sabbath under the New Covenant!
---leej on 8/26/10


There were issues with the early church. -a few examples:

1. the Judaiziers taught one could be made righteous by observance of Mosaic laws -You observe days (Sabbath) and months and seasons and years! Gal. 4:10

2. Some wanted to go back to Judaism in observing the Jewish Sababth.

Hebr 4:8f if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. .... For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

3. Jews believed Gentiles needed to be circumcised AND obey the laws of Moses.

Acts 15:5 ... the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, AND to command them to keep the law of Moses.
.
---leej on 8/26/10


francis -2 Timothy 3:16 All SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

And that is one good reason we use the scripture as a reproof to your contention that Christians are under the old Mosaic law.


When are you going to leave religion for Jesus?
---leej on 8/26/10


francis - YOU BLAME THE CATHOLIC CHURCH but Cluny (and others) have tried in vain to tell you, is that the Eastern Church(es) never observed the Jewish Sabbath AND were NEVER part of the Roman Catholic church.

Please address this issue as clearly your mentors have totally ignored the fact that there are other denominations that had their origin even prior to the establishment of the Roman Catholic church, which btw had no real powers until after the defeat of the Roman Empire in the West.

Are you even aware that after the Roman Empire in the West was defeated that the set of government was at Constantinople?

Please, O' pretty Please, find yourself a decent book on church history!!!!
---leej on 8/26/10


francis:

Do you slaughter a lamb each spring and sprinkle its blood on your doorposts? If not, you violate the command to keep Passover. Of course, as Christians we are no longer bound by the Law, but if you believe we must keep the whole Law, you break the Law if you don't do it.

Yes all scripture is given for instruction, but that doesn't mean we should obey everything written in it. God commanded Noah to build an ark, and he commanded Abraham to sacrifice his firstborn, but that doesn't mean we should.

Context is paramount in understanding anything that is written. The Law was written to Jews, under the covenant of Moses. We are no longer under that old covenant of Law, but we are under a new covenant of Grace.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/10


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There were a LOT of issues with the early church.
Here are a few examples:
1: A young man was sleeping with his step mother. 1 Corinthians 5:1
2: Some christians were being circumcized for salvation. Galations
3: Some people were teaching not to keep the commandments 1 John 2:5

All of these were dealt with and corrected with scripture.
Those of you who choose not to keep the sabbath, this can only be corrected by scripture, not by any historical document. We as christians do not go by history, or tradilition of men.

2 Timothy 3:16 All SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---francis on 8/26/10


Because, you do not take the time to study Scripture, you, my friend, do not qualify to judge a monkey! Please, bite the dust.
---catherine on 8/26/10


catherine, i would like you to think about this text when you say we are not to judge:

Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die, and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul.

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
---francis on 8/26/10


While working on the farm where I grew up, Sunday all too often became a work day in light of threatening weather or inability to get into the fields to plant or harvest.

Roman Emporer Constantine in attempting to standardize the day of rest in the empire, specifically excused those whose trades would be adversely affected.

Fortuately Scripture is very clear that Christians are not under laws that are strictly Jewish such as circumcision, dietary laws and Sabbath observnaces. The Jerusalem council (Acts 15) should have settle that issue, however the Judaizers (even today) continued to promote obedience to Mosaic laws.
---leej on 8/26/10


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frances//The arguments...are firmly grounded on the word of God,..leave no escape for the conscientious Protestant except the abandonment of Sunday worship and the return to Saturday, ...unwilling to abandon the tradition of the Catholic Church, ...

In going back to the 'elementary principles of the world' (Gal.4:9) which would enslave us, would leave us with no escape from the legalisim as advocated by modern day Judaiziers.

YOU BLAME THE CATHOLIC CHURCH but Cluny (and others) have tried in vain to tell you, is that the Eastern Church(es) never observed the Jewish Sabbath AND were NEVER part of the Roman Catholic church.

Why are you so determined to stay ignorant?
---leej on 8/26/10


We have two obediences: [1] the word of God and [2] God directly. When I was, a ways back, hanging out clothes on the line, it was on a Sunday, I got the bright idea I was going to cut the grass, too. That's when God spoke, and said, "Keep it holy and rest. However, we are not to judge other people in this. Only righteous judging allowed. Does the living God live in you? Later, God also said to me, "Do only what's necessary"
---catherine on 8/26/10


The arguments...are firmly grounded on the word of God,..leave no escape for the conscientious Protestant except the abandonment of Sunday worship and the return to Saturday, commanded by their teacher, the Bible, or, unwilling to abandon the tradition of the Catholic Church, which enjoins the keeping of Sunday, and which they have accepted in direct opposition to their teacher, the Bible, consistently accept her (the Catholic Church) in all her teachings. Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicism and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible. James Cardinal Gibbons, in Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.
---francis on 8/26/10


I have repeatedly offered $1 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Saturday holy. There is no such law in the New Covenant. It is a law of the unholy Seventh Day Adventist Church alone. The Bible says, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. The Seventh Day Adventist Church says: No. By my judgement I accuse those Christians that love and follow the Lord and command them to obey the laws of Moses including the Jewish Sabbath.And lo! The entire Christian world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the Lord Jesus Christ who in His grace saves those who would believe.
---leej on 8/26/10


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\\321 AD Constantine decrees Sunday as offical Roman-Christian day of rest \\

And yet, the historical evidence by ancient Christian writers is that Christians gathered in the wee hours of the morning of the day after the Jewish Sabbath to celebrate the Eucharist, then they went on about their ordinary business--unless they got caught and arrested.
---Cluny on 8/26/10


I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. The Catholic Church says: No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church. father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, February 18, 1884, printed in History of the Sabbath, p. 802.

(PASTOR E. A. ENNIS IS OFFERING $10,000)
---francis on 8/26/10


---StrongAxe
Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The (Roman Catholic) Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days. John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies, 1936 edition, vol. 1, p. 51.
---francis on 8/26/10


StrongAxe on 8/26/10

Fair request.

.. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify. James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 edition), p. 72-73 (16th Edition, p 111, 88th Edition, p. 89).

Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day? I answer no!
Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons. James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Md. (1877-1921), in a signed letter.
---francis on 8/26/10


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Chronology of Christianity (1AD-Present)

321 AD Constantine decrees Sunday as offical Roman-Christian day of rest
On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest,... (Source: History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3 (5th ed., New York: Scribner, 1902), p. 380, note 1.

325 AD Council of Nicaea, called by Constantine against Arianism

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day, and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

364 AD Council of Laodicea decrees death for Christians who keep 7th day Sabbath
---francis on 8/26/10


francis:

Neither A Catholic magazine, nor its editor, are authorities on Catholic Church doctrine. Can you cite any actual authoritative Catholic source, such as an encyclical, a cathecism, or even a press release by an actual Church official?
---StrongAxe on 8/26/10


THE CATHOLIC EXTENSION MAGAZINE
180 Wabash Avenue, Chicago, Illinois

Dear Sir:

(2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ, to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to the Sunday. We frankly say, "Yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws,.. and a thousand other laws."


With best wishes,
Peter R. Tramer. Editor
---francis on 8/26/10


Grantham:

Can you cite just which Roman Catholic records actually say that they changed the Sabbath to Sunday? I have never heard of them.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/10


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\\the sabbath is to REMEMBER THE CREATOR CREATING not a law.
---mike on 8/25/10\\

On what day are we NOT to remember the Creator?

Read Ecclesiastes 12:1.

**Sunday was changed from saterday-sabbath by the Roman Cathetic church to show that they have the power to do so. You can find it in there records.
---Grantham on 8/25/10**

That's a myth started by SDA. It's not true.

Pre-reformation apostolic churches that never had anything to do with Rome have always had their main Eucharist on Sunday.
---Cluny on 8/26/10


francis -//What else does the same law say?

the Old Covenant law says one had to be physically circumcised to be part of God's covenant.

True or False?

Ge 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people, he hath broken my covenant.

But what it required for believers under the New Covenant?

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

And now you know why Christians are not commanded to observe the old Jewish Sabbath under the New Covenant!
---leej on 8/25/10


the sabbath is to REMEMBER THE CREATOR CREATING not a law.
---mike on 8/25/10


francis:

While Cluny and LeeJ seem to make similar points (and may even use similar language), if you read them carefully, they are NOT the same. I have also been falsely accused of being the same person as Cluny on one or two occasions. I do tend to agree with much that he says (but definitely not all).

I have also known Cluny personally for almost a decade, and he is much more sarcastic (i.e. he doesn't suffer fools lightly) than either I am or LeeJ appears to be :)
---StrongAxe on 8/25/10


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Sunday was changed from saterday-sabbath by the Roman Cathetic church to show that they have the power to do so. You can find it in there records.
---Grantham on 8/25/10


Who may I ask, was Sunday made Holy for?
---mima on 8/25/10
Good question!

let me add: and WHO is able to make anything Holy, and sanctified?

answer with sripture though
---francis on 8/25/10


many christians say "Do not add to the word of God."
So who added SUNDAY as a holy day or a " christian sabbath," or as a day of gathering to worship?

For those who choose Sunday Over Sabbath, are you not adding to the word of God?

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

How many agree that Sunday as a day of worship was ADDED by man, and cannot be found in the bible?
---francis on 8/25/10


2. That Jews do not have services throughout the week? They do, francis.
---Cluny on 8/25/10

No one denies that jews worshiped during six workng days.

While all may not gather during the six working days ALL together on sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made, and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted [thither].
---francis on 8/25/10


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Who may I ask, was Sunday made Holy for?
---mima on 8/25/10


Romans 7 8-25

Sin deceives.
The good that we should do, we do not, not because of the Law, but because of the sin nature which is in us.
In our minds we do desire to keep the commandments, but our sin nature causes us to sin.
The law is holy and good, the Law is spiritual, but we are carnal.
If not for the law we would not know what sin was. We would not know that Lust was a sin except the law said do not covet.

What else does the same law say?

1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
---francis on 8/25/10


1. That the Sabbath commandment was not about worship but an enforced rest?

Cluny on 8/25/10

Let the BIBLE answer this question:

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Ezekiel 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD, The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days, but on the sabbath it shall be opened,

Ezekiel 46:2 And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch.. and he shall worship ..
Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.
---francis on 8/25/10


\You shuld NOT be allowed to be CLUNY and LEEJ at the same time\\

But I'm not LeeJ.
---Cluny on 8/25/10

I can testify.....Cluny is not LeeJ. LeeJ, would never let some of the communication between Cluny an I, rest.
2. Cluny does not, rely/live by a plethora doctrinal commentary's.
3. Cluny, cannot let a pertinent, misspelling live for many post. (A good thing). (Ann-ointed drives him crazzzzy,dissing deserves a verbal beating:)

LeeJ, was here some months ago,as another Lee positioning, as a male, left in a huff and came back as Professor of Theology LeeJ. Which she may be.
---Trav on 8/25/10


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\\You shuld NOT be allowed to be CLUNY and LEEJ at the same time\\

But I'm not LeeJ.

Just another example of where you're wrong, francis.

BTW--which one are you denying:

1. That the Sabbath commandment was not about worship but an enforced rest? If you deny it, read it for yourself.

2. That Jews do not have services throughout the week? They do, francis.
---Cluny on 8/25/10


GOD Himself did not make Sunday "Holy", and there is NO SCRIPTURE to indicate that He did. There is more Scripture to back up the 7th Day Sabbath, then for anything on Sunday being a "holy week-day of GOD". This is one thing that I don't get about the Sunday Saints who so TENACIOUSLY hold onto Sunday, and disregard GOD's Choice of a Sabbath Day (as in EXODUS 20:8-11).
---Gordon on 8/25/10


The Sabbath commandment was NEVER about worship, but rather a forced rest from labor that extended even to one's slaves and farm animals.
Cluny on 8/24/10

ONE NAME per blogger
You shuld NOT be allowed to be CLUNY and LEEJ at the same time

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---francis on 8/25/10


Romans 7:4-6

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


We are dead as far as the LAW is concerned. That being said our righteousness comes from Gods gift. Not from our obedience in fear. Obedience should now be done out of LOVE for what God has done for us.
---JackB on 8/25/10


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According to SDA scholar Samuele Bacchiocchi 'From Sabbath to Sunday', the early Gentile church by the end of the 1st century no longer observed the Sabbath. It was observed by Jewish Christians who held to the Mosaic traditions. No other peoples observed it.

Saturday was considered a workday by most of the Roman Empire while Sunday was a day observed by pagan religions. Since early Gentile Christians were largely from lower economic and social classes, it would have been totally impractical to mandate Sabbath observance to Gentile converts.

This was one of the issues settled at the Jerusalem council Acts 15. However Judaizers continued to believe Gentiles needed to be circumcised and become Jewish in order to be legitimate.
---leej on 8/25/10


. The Sabbath commandment was NEVER about worship, but rather a forced rest from labor that extended even to one's slaves and farm animals.
Cluny on 8/24/10

No one is more wrong than Cluny except LEEJ

Ezekiel 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD, The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days, but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Ezekiel 46:2 And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of [that] gate without,..ad he shall worship..
Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.
---francis on 8/25/10


\\Maybe there were religious people who made Sunday their day of rest and worship. \\

Two things:

1. The Sabbath commandment was NEVER about worship, but rather a forced rest from labor that extended even to one's slaves and farm animals.

2. In the Temples and later in the Synagogues--as they are in Conservative and traditional ones to this day--services are held not just on the Sabbath, but TWICE DAILY.
---Cluny on 8/24/10


Maybe there were religious people who made Sunday their day of rest and worship. Then, later, Christians could have adopted Sunday because it is the day of Christ's resurrection, and their observing the first day for Jesus would make it holy. So, it doesn't matter who started the idea. Even though there have been Jews who have betrayed God while doing certain religious activities, this does not mean those activities are wrong.

Also, how about money? Who started money? Look at how wrong people are in how they handle money. But Christians can use it right. Look at how we started, and see how God changed us for His use and enjoyment (c: We have "the Spirit of adoption" (Romans 8:15). Love can adopt and then use for good.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/24/10


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StrongAxe on 8/24/10 Romans 14:5

What this verse says is that anyone who wants to observe passover, or pentecost, or any of the feast days is free ot do so.

paul is not sayng that christians should not keep the sabbath. THREE times n his writings he has pointed christians to the sabbath.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Same law says keep the sabbath, not to do so is SIN. Sin is trangression of THE LAW not Some of the law also see James 2 8-11

As to Colossians 2:16-17
I have a detailed explaination on a blog called "SDA EXPLAIN.."
---francis on 8/24/10


some people do not believe that the righteous will witness the distruction of the wisked by fore. I point you to revelation 20-21


Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are.. as the sand of the sea.

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
---francis on 8/24/10


francis:

Romans 14:5
"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

Colossians 2:16-17
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ."
---StrongAxe on 8/24/10


Why is it when given new testament scripture people go to the old as though the 2 contradict one another.

The New Testament is a fulfillment of the Old Testament.

Hebrews 8:7,13

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Hebrews is a very powerful book. It clears us a lot of common misconceptions about Christ and the new covenant.
---JackB on 8/24/10


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If Christians had continued to keep the day that God blessed in Eden - in memory of the creation and in honour of the Creator - perhaps the theory of evolution would not have hit the world as it did? :)
---Ann on 8/24/10


\\This statement,"In any case, Sola Scriptura is NOT and never has been a rule the Orthodox Church plays by." Reminded me of the following,

When the one great scorer comes to write against your name, he writes not that you won or lost, but how you played the game.
---mima on 8/24/10\\

mima, if Sola Scriptura binds the Church, what did she do for the first 60 years or so after Christ?

According to Acts 2, the Church functioned in all her fullness before ONE WORD of the NT was written down.

mima, if Sola Scriptura binds the Church, what did she do for the first 60 years or so after Christ?
---Cluny on 8/24/10


francis, still using Isa 66:22,23 out of context for your false doctrine and ignoring the following verse I see.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
-Carcases of the unjust in heaven? Please!!!
---micha9344 on 8/24/10


Colossians 2:16,17

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
---JackB on 8/24/10

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth,
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,

If you have a verse that says that the weekly sabbath is a shadow show it. Otherwise explain why on earth a shadow such as the sabbath is still celebrate din heaven.
---francis on 8/24/10


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This statement,"In any case, Sola Scriptura is NOT and never has been a rule the Orthodox Church plays by." Reminded me of the following,

When the one great scorer comes to write against your name, he writes not that you won or lost, but how you played the game.
---mima on 8/24/10


---Cluny on 8/24/10

God said everything was GOOD i did not see that every day is Holy.
Now if you have such a text just print it
---francis on 8/24/10


Colossians 2:16,17

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
---JackB on 8/24/10


The Holy Lord is even our sabbath & rest. It's every day, thanksgiving to God, serving God is every day as long as your living.
Lawrence on 8/23/10

The Lord's day and the Sabbath: Don't confused the two! "The Lord's day" is the day that Jesus was raised from the dead, the first day of the week.
catherine on 8/24/10

Statements such as these should scare any sincere christian. because there is absolutly no bible verses for these, and it causes many to sin by doing their own will on the Holy Sabbath day.

Those of you who consider yourself BIBLE ONLY christians MUST insist on scripture for these statements.
---francis on 8/24/10


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Man made Sunday holy, NOT God. The Sabbath according to God is Friday night (6pm) to Saturday night (6pm). Sunday is dedicated to the pegan sun god, NOT to the one true God.
---Leslie on 8/24/10


\\where on earth did you find such a text that says God has blessed, Hallowed, and sanctified every day?
---francis on 8/24/10\\

If you read Genesis, you'll learn that He Himself made days.

Now, what does God do that is NOT holy?

In any case, Sola Scriptura is NOT and never has been a rule the Orthodox Church plays by.

OTOH, the only ones who went around quoting Scripture to Jesus were Pharisees and demons.

Have you noticed that, francis?
---Cluny on 8/24/10


All of our days are holy, because which one did the Lord NOT make?

You can believe and spread your half-baked Karite Judaism, francis, but it's not Christianity.
---Cluny on 8/23/10

TEXT
where on earth did you find such a text that says God has blessed, Hallowed, and sanctified every day?
---francis on 8/24/10


Well, I am learning some stuff>>>"The Lord's day and the Sabbath: Don't confused the two! "The Lord's day" is the day that Jesus was raised from the dead, the first day of the week. The early church assembled for worship and religious instructions on the first day of the week. "The Sabbath>>this is the day that the Jewish rests, 7th. day God rested. Don't judge anyone for esteeming one day from another. Also, I find, that we are to observe these days out of the fear of God. In other words, obey Him, in them, as you obey Him in everything else. Note: Only place in the Bible that says the "Lord's day" is in, Revelation 1:10>>"John>>>"I was in the spirit on the Lord's day". Thank You Jesus+
---catherine on 8/24/10


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Who made Sunday holy?

This is a question that all of us should ask or pastor, priest or church leader.
make an appointment with him or her and ask for the bible verses which make Sunday a special or Holy day to christians.

Why do this: Because Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

That same law that makes coveting a sin also makes it a sin not to keep the sabbath day holy, or a sin to murder, or take God's name in vain.

If you are a christian and not keeping the sabbath, you MUST find some biblical proof for this. You must know if you have made and error.

Good luck.
---francis on 8/24/10


MATTHEW 28:1 IN the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn on the first day of the week,--------
( worshiping Sundays came from this verse.)
---RICHARD on 8/23/10


\\While WE are not called to be unholy on any day, God only made ONE out of seven days Holy.\\

All of our days are holy, because which one did the Lord NOT make?

You can believe and spread your half-baked Karite Judaism, francis, but it's not Christianity.
---Cluny on 8/23/10


God made the sabbath day a day of rest,we are commanded to rest on that day.so the answer is God.
---tom2 on 8/23/10


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The Holy Lord is even our sabbath & rest. It's every day, thanksgiving to God, serving God is every day as long as your living.
---Lawrence on 8/23/10


Constitne did. the churches changed over to Sunday over time. Jesus always celebrated the sabbath day on Saturdays. the disciples met on the Sabbath day(saturday ) as well as other days of the week, but the primary day of rest is on Saturdays.
---candice on 8/23/10


While WE are not called to be unholy on any day, God only made ONE out of seven days Holy.

Make a difference betwene THE PEOPLE being holy, and TH DAY being Holy


God made the 7th day holy
Man does what he wants

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my HOLY DAY, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that [are] upon the face of the earth.
---francis on 8/23/10


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