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Is The Blood Of Jesus Divine

How would you answer these questions concerning the blood of Jesus Christ?

A. Was the blood of Jesus human or divine blood?
B. How important is the blood?
C. Is the blood of Jesus preserved beyond His death?
D. Can the blood of Jesus be applied to people today?

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HYPOCRITES, HYPOCRITES! I am not suffering at the moment, which is where meekness come in to play. I dare you hypocrites, you don't even know the living God. So what gives you the right to correct me? Speak up!
---catherine on 10/25/10


Catherine,
Why are yall always wanting Scriptures--you never look them up!

Generaly when someone is challenging you or anyone else to support what you are saying with scriputre is because they believe you cannot. Not that you cannot look it up but that it is not there to be found.

In such cases the burdon of proof lies with the person making the claim.

1 Peter 3:15, "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

There is not much meekness in your answers.
---Bruce5656 on 10/25/10


\\Why are yall always wanting Scriptures--you never look them up!\\

You yourself said that you "don't need no Scriptures," catherine, so you have no room to talk!
---Cluny on 10/24/10


Why are yall always wanting Scriptures--you never look them up! Opinions, we are allowed, but, not always opinions. It is not an requirement. God didn't give us this law....Besides all that, it takes up your word quoter. No, I suspect that wicked people only want to complain. If in doubt in what we write, Pull out your Bible dictionaries, concordances, commentaries. Don't you be lazy.
---catherine on 10/24/10


MarkV don't point that finger you will have many more pointing back at you ...across several topics I notice you preach never sharing scripture

when I don't type out the verse I have quoted from it ...however I have learned my lesson espeically with you

you twist distort dismiss and create more chaos with your opinions

so now I am learning to post scripture more so you can REJECT Holy Scripture knowing its not my personal opinion

peace
---Rhonda on 10/24/10




Rhonda, when you respond as you do to others, without Scripture to proof your point, you are only giving your opinions and what you think of others. Personal. Instead of working for Christ, you assult and claim that those who do not agree with you, are the antichrist, pagans, or whatever answer you can find. Discussing Scripture should be your first priority. That is why I said to get down from your throne, I did not mean the throne of God, for that is never possible. You and I discussed life very well, I thought you could do that when discussing Scripture, Am I wrong or can you discuss Scripture?
---MarkV. on 10/24/10


I know for a fact, that only God could have done what He did on the cross....Any human being with an ounce of brain would know this. Well, God calls them, and I quote Him, "Brain Dead".
---catherine on 10/24/10


Isaiah 42:8 I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Deuteronomy 10:17 For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Psalms 136:3 O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
1 Timothy 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords,
Revelation 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
---micha9344 on 10/23/10


Micha9344- It remains true that Isaiah 9:6 does not teach God's Son is 'El Shaddai', (AlmightyGod).

I accept that Jehovah (YHWH) can and is also given the title 'El Gib-bohr' at Isaiah 10:21 for a specific reason. Isaiah chapter 10 shows how Jehovah exercised His own Might in using the Assyrians to execute judgment upon Israel but how He would defend Jerusalem. God's name in the form of YHWH appears at 10:20, 23, showing it is Jehovah under discussion.

Isaiah 9:6 however, specifically refers to "a son" and "the Prince of Peace". A Prince is naturally a son, and is obviously a prophetic reference to God's Son- Jesus Christ. Jehovah the Creator is not "a son" or "a Prince", but 'El Shaddai'.
---David8318 on 10/23/10


Amen David8318 on 10/22/10 and other posts responding to Adetunji

MarkV post on 10/19/10: Why not come down from your throne and reason with everyone?
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reason with Holy Scripture? so YOU are here to preach your idea's and reason with people to BELIEVE YOU and ultimately REJECT Holy Scripture

I answer with Holy Scripture if people respond I provide more ...although I am very lazy not always providing passages ...here I did and YOU are offended - understand you are not offended by me THESE ARE GOD WORDS not mine

here I'm told I'm going to hell unsaved some sort of clay in a cult among other things and now I can ADD sitting on a throne ...all in "christian-love"
---Rhonda on 10/23/10




Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, [even] the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God(Gibbowr El).
Jer 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God(Gibbowr El), the LORD of hosts, [is] his name,
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God(Gibbowr El), The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
---micha9344 on 10/22/10


[1] Yes, the Blood was pure, spotless, unblemished>>>divine. [2] The Blood of Jesus Christ, is everything. You cannot make it to heaven without it. It is the Blood which cleanses you of all sins when you are saved, and there-after. Still, we must on a continuous bases, ask God to forgive us through His mighty, powerful, Blood, because, we still sin. We still have this sinful nature, you know. [3] Of course. The Blood is preserved beyond His death. [4] Of course. When He comes a calling. Tell Him that you do not want to die and go to hell. God will do the rest. Just follow His leading.
---catherine on 10/22/10


Adetunji- Isaiah 9:6 does not say about Jesus that 'he is God', as you claim. Jehovah inspired Isaiah to write prophetically regarding His 'son' that he would be called "Mighty God". In the Hebrew, Isaiah used the word- 'El Gib-bohr', meaning 'Mighty God'. This is completely different to the title given Jehovah God (Jesus' Father) initially at Gen.17:1, where the word 'El Shaddai' is used meaning 'AlmightyGod'.

Jehovah is 'El Shaddai'. His Son is 'El Gib-bohr'.

Never is God's Son referred to as 'El Shaddai'. Rather, Jesus became 'the Christ'. It is completely unscriptural to say 'El Shaddai' became the 'Messiah'. Can you understand why it was important for God's Son and not 'El Shaddai' to become the 'Messiah'? Jo.1:29.
---David8318 on 10/22/10


Adetunji- Not too sure what you mean by, 'HE put some at higher level than others(though born the same way).' I agree God used some humans in a special way- Abraham, Moses and Elijah for example. Moses however recognised his speech limitations & how he would present himself to Pharaoh. Moses would thus disagree with those claiming he was of a 'higher level'. But what do you mean, 'higher level'? Higher in what respect and in relation to what?

Moses and Elijah are equal to everyone else because they were born in the natural way and were imperfect, sinful individuals who all suffered the same end as everyone- old age and death. Jesus on the other hand, whilst experiencing a natural birth is vastly different because he was without sin.
---David8318 on 10/22/10


I agree with what---aka on 10/21/10 says.
---mima on 10/22/10


animal sacrifice (skins to cover Adam and Eve's sin) ... temporal solution.

spiritual sacrifice (body of Christ to cover all of our sin) ... permanent solution.

forever...we praise you Lord Jesus Christ.
---aka on 10/21/10


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RHONDA: Christ in the flesh is IMMANUEL= God with man(2 things together). Do not limit yourself to the scripture that says HE is man, combine those with the scripture that says HE IS GOD,(1) Isa.9:6 "..:and His name shall be...The everlasting Father,".(2)Jn.3:34, HE is the full-measure of the Holy Spirit(3) Jn.5:23, HE told the Jews, "Honour me as you honour the Father". Can a person like you and I teach, "Honour me as you honour God?". Meditate on these words before you answer.
---Adetunji on 10/21/10


Rhonda & David8318: Even among human-beings that God/Jesus created, HE put some at higher level than others(though born the same way). Consider (1)MOSES and ELIJAH, the 2 olive trees by the golden lampstand Zech.4:3, 11-14, Matt.17:3, Rev.11:3-12.(2)Father Abraham Luke 16:22-31. SO being born in a natural way does not mean ALL MEN are equal, not to talk of The Lord's Christ HIMSELF.
---Adetunji on 10/21/10


Rhonda, here is the problem you have, if someone gives you their thoughts and Scripture you then answer with,
"Scripture STATES HE was made like US - yet you LIE and claim He wasn't and Holy Scripture says you are antichrist 2John 1:7"
Those kind of words make you an antichrist, becuase you are not acting like Christ. Why not just give your answer and scripture to make your point? Why do you have to say such things to people who answer? That was the reason I said on another post, that it is not about attacking someone, but answering someone with the Truth. Your answers are godless in nature. Why not come down from your throne and reason with everyone?
---MarkV. on 10/19/10


Adetunji- Are you confusing Jesus' conception with his natural birth? I would agree that his conception was super-natural, but his birth would have been in the natural way, wouldn't it? The only 'super-natural' event associated with Jesus' birth according to scripture was the appearance of the angel to the shepherds who announced the birth of Jesus to them. Luke 2:8-14.

Jesus was a man, but not like us (He.4:15). Jesus was a man like Adam, the only perfect man after Adam, which is why Jesus' sacrifice has redemptive value (He.9:12). Paul described Jesus as 'the last Adam' comparing Jesus to 'the first Adam'. Jesus has purchased the offspring of the 'first Adam', me and you. Jesus is our repurchaser. 1 Cor.15:45.
---David8318 on 10/18/10


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'See John 1, which says that the Logos, Who is God, was "made flesh.'- Cluny 10/17/10.

This is Cluny's false reasoning. John 1:1 says the Word 'was with God...and was a god'.

Cluny wants to re-write what John wrote. Cluny wants John 1:1 to say 'ho theos en ho logos', thus identifying the Word as the God of verse 1. But much to Cluny's dismay, John 1:1 doesn't say that at all. Cluny doesn't understand the 2 different ways 'theos' appears in John 1:1.

John 1:1 simply says, 'theos en ho logos'. The anarthrous noun occurs before the verb. Thus, 'the Word' is described as 'a god'. The 'Word' is not identified as 'the God' it is with.

Thus it is not 'the God' but 'the Word' who became flesh.'
---David8318 on 10/17/10


you cannot limit the Lord Jesus to a man like you and I.
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another LIE from philosophical ideas by deceived men found nowhere in Holy Scripture

if this were truth than Holy Scripture LIED and death of Christ was a hoax - if not a "man like a hu-man" but really some "other being"

and claiming Christ as a "god" then He could not die - no death no salvation

EXCEPT Holy Scripture was clear Christ was physical mortal flesh and blood man Lev 17:11, Heb 2:14,16,17, John 1:11

Scripture STATES HE was made like US - yet you LIE and claim He wasn't and Holy Scripture says you are antichrist 2John 1:7

Further Christ did not rise from life HE rose from DEATH Rom 14:9
---Rhonda on 10/17/10


David8318: I disagree with you. Jesus' birth is not natural but SUPER-natural. Born not from the fluid of a man and we cannot proof that HE came from the human-eggs in Mary, you cannot limit the Lord Jesus to a man like you and I.
---Adetunji on 10/17/10


\\Despite what Cluny states, Christ is not 'God incarnate'.\\

See John 1, which says that the Logos, Who is God, was "made flesh."

In case you didn't know, "incarnate" means "made flesh."

You can believe what you want to believe.

I'll believe the Bible.
---Cluny on 10/17/10


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Jesus Blood was divine. There cannot be but one Savior===GOD! Personal Creator and Lord of the universe, the Redeemer of His people. GOD, payed a heavy price. How He, God, suffered. Go with me to John 1:13: meaning+The spiritual birth is blood not on basis of lineage or Jewish heritage, Not the will of flesh or carnal desires, It is not the will of man or human in its origin.... This birth is supernatual...Go with me again, Once more, pleasee to John 1:14>>"And the word became flesh, and dwelt among us" ....Some names for you: Jesus' proper name derives from the Hebrew word Joshua, meaning "Yahweh" saves or salvation is from Yahweh. Yahweh is a name for God...Immanuel, Anointed Savior, also a name for God.
---catherine on 10/17/10


A. Was the blood of Jesus human or divine blood? HUMAN. HIS MOTHER WAS MARY, A HUMAN

B. How important is the blood? 100% WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF HIS BLOOD, NO REMOSSIONS FOR SINS.

C. Is the blood of Jesus preserved beyond His death? NO, HE ENTERED THE SANCTUARY BY HIS BLOOD, NOT WITH HIS BLOOD

D. Can the blood of Jesus be applied to people today? HIS BLOOD/ MEANING IS DEATH. YES OF COURSE
---francis on 10/17/10


Despite what Cluny states, Christ is not 'God incarnate'. This is not a Bible teaching. Jesus was born in the natural way through a human mother, and grew up to become an adult.

'Incarnation' teaches that a god can simply incarnate himself as a human without the need to be born in the natural way. Trinitarians like to use this non-Biblical term as it allows them to believe (and teach) Jesus is both God and man at the same time. To believe God Almighty can be both spirit and human at the same time is absurd and unscriptural- John 4:24.

Peter said Jesus was, 'put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.' 1 Pe.3:18. God can never be 'flesh'. Jesus was/is not AlmightyGod, but the 'Son of God'- John 1:34.
---David8318 on 10/17/10


Amen Rhonda!!!!!!!

That is the true word of God,Sister!!!
---ginger on 10/15/10


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In other words, Rhonda, you deny that Jesus Christ rose from the dead in His physical body.
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deliberately twisting what I wrote in YOUR mind

Holy Scritpture is clear Christ was resurrected from the dead ...ONLY counterfeit christianity DENIES Christ was resurrected

duped into belief Christ was resurrected to eternal life in His physical body YET His physical body remained on earth

quite a stretch to believe such nonsense seeing THAT IDEA is not in Holy Scripture

remember (big hint) His PHSYSICAL body was no longer in grave - transformed to a spiritual body Rom 8:11, 1Cor 15:49-53

or do you believe Holy Scripture lied? Psalm 16:10, Luke 24:3-7
---Rhonda on 10/12/10


\\Human blood - Christ was a physical mortal man - HE would have died had he sinned
\\

But Jesus is MORE than a physical mortal man. He's God incarnate.

\\the body of Christ was resurrected to eternal life - in other words - there was no physical body left once The Father in Heaven resurrected Christ as the first fruits of many sons of God
---Rhonda on 10/7/10\\

In other words, Rhonda, you deny that Jesus Christ rose from the dead in His physical body.

And if, in addition to denying the Resurrection, you don't believe that Jesus is God and Man in one person, then you don't believe in the real Jesus and are still in your sins.
---Cluny on 10/12/10


Human blood - Christ was a physical mortal man - HE would have died had he sinned

the blood is symbolic washing away PAST sins

impossible to perserve his blood - unless some cult believes they have it in a test tube somewhere in an unground vault

the body of Christ was resurrected to eternal life - in other words - there was no physical body left once The Father in Heaven resurrected Christ as the first fruits of many sons of God
---Rhonda on 10/7/10


"The blood of Jesus is human yet it is pure enough to cleanse the sin of all mankind thru all ages." The above statements flails to take into consideration that all humans are conceived in iniquity and are therefore sinful. This truth is plainly set forth in Psalm 51:5," Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."
Mary did not conceived Jesus in the natural manner of mankind. Jesus was supernaturally( miraculously) implanted in the Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit.
---mima on 10/6/10


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The blood of Jesus has become our PASSOVER blood that is never dried. It is applicable for life.
---Adetunji on 10/5/10


B. How important is the blood

MATTHEW 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament which is shed for many FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.
(With out the blood there no forgiveness for sin)
---RICHARD on 10/3/10


The blood of Jesus is human yet it is pure enough to cleanse the sin of all mankind thru all ages. Scripture declares - "We have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins." Thank Yahweh we have a God who loves mankind enough to die in our place as a punishment for sin. Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.
---Jim on 10/1/10


---Ebenezer are you by chance Jewish?
---mima on 10/1/10


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Did Jesus rise from the dead in an only human body?
---Cluny on 9/30/10
Actually Jesus rose from the dead in a glorified body.
NOT like ours at all actually.

He had the holes to prove he was jesus but no blood.
That was shed at the cross for sins.
Blood and water was what came out and spilled onto the ground.

So, again, no, Jesus was NOT like us after he rose from the Dead. He was glorified!
We live in fleshly bodies that will die and decay and return to where it came from ...dust. God will give us new glorified bodies like he did Jesus.
---ginger on 9/30/10


\\The blood of Jesus is human blood and has no divine force in it.\\

Did Jesus rise from the dead in an only human body?
---Cluny on 9/30/10


The blood of Jesus is human blood and has no divine force in it. The chemical composition in our blood is the same blood that is in Jesus Christ. 'Saved by the blood' as taught in the Bible refers to the spiritual death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

The salvation work of Christ on the cross was executed before there was any physical shedding of Jesus' blood, when the Roman soldier discovering Jesus was already dead, pierced a spear/sword at Jesus rib side for blood to ooze from His body.

The (Jesus) blood as quoted in the Bible always refers to he efficaciuos substitutionary work of Christ on the cross.
---Ebenezer on 9/30/10


\\WITHOUT THE BLOOD YOU'LL GO TO HELL!
---catherine on 9/30/10\\

Christ's blood in isolation from the rest of His Divine-Human person does not save us.

We don't worship Christ bit by bit, piece by piece, or organ by organ.

We worship and believe in the ENTIRE Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ Who saves us.
---Cluny on 9/30/10


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WITHOUT THE BLOOD YOU'LL GO TO HELL!
---catherine on 9/30/10


Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts, I [am] the first, and I [am] the last, and beside me [there is] no God.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Psa 50:1 The mighty God, [even] the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, [even] the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
---micha9344 on 9/29/10


Cluny is close in his rendering of John 1:1 when he says, 'God was the Word'. Cluny would be more accurate saying, 'god was the Word'. What's the difference? Far from being 2 'Word's' (logos), there are 2 ways in which 'theos' appears at John 1:1. There is 'ho theos' with the definite article ('ho'), and 'theos' without. With the def.article 'ho theos' ('the God') refers to AlmightyGod, with whom 'the Word was with'.

The part Cluny quotes does not say, 'ho theos en ho logos', which would identify 'the Word' as 'the God' as Cluny suggests. Rather, it says, 'theos en ho logos'. An anarthrous predicate noun occurs before the verb. Thus, 'theos' doesn't identify 'the Word' as the 'God' it is with, but describes 'the Word', as 'a god'.
---David8318 on 9/29/10


\\I prefer the translations which read, 'The Word became flesh' (NIV). Jesus 'became' flesh, in the sense of being born as a human-being through a human mother and growing up through childhood.\\

Just what do you think "incarnation" means?

That's EXACTLY what the theological term is saying.
---Cluny on 9/28/10


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Through His Blood, we are:

- redeemed and forgiven (Ephesians 1:7),
- cleansed (1 John 1:7 ),
- justified (Romans 5:9), and
- sanctified (Hebrews 13:12)

A body cannot stay alive if it has no blood. Likewise, and equally as important, blood cannot be contained if there is no body.

The Body of Christ needs the Blood of Jesus to live, and the Blood of Jesus is contained in the Body of Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Since Jesus Christ was human and is God, the Blood is both divine and human.
---aka on 9/27/10


\\Cluny is forced to insert '(who was God)' mid sentence because he and everyone else knows John 1:14 doesn't say what Cluny would like it to say about 'the Word'\\

Earlier in the same chapter, first verse in fact, it says "The Word was God"--or actually, in Greek "God was the Word."

All I did was to insert a reminder about the identity of the Word.

Or do you think there are two different "Words/Logoi" in this chapter--one that was God and another that was made flesh?
---Cluny on 9/27/10


Cluny illustrates how the scriptures are distorted when viewed through the corrupting influence of the trinity doctrine.

Cluny is forced to insert '(who was God)' mid sentence because he and everyone else knows John 1:14 doesn't say what Cluny would like it to say about 'the Word'.

I prefer the translations which read, 'The Word became flesh' (NIV). Jesus 'became' flesh, in the sense of being born as a human-being through a human mother and growing up through childhood.

This is vastly different to Cluny's idea of incarnation: 'was made flesh'. Why, if Jesus can incarnate himself would he need to be born in the natural way and grow up to become a man? This defeats the idea of incarnation, proving the theory is unscriptural.
---David8318 on 9/27/10


\\Catherine- I agree! Incarnation is not a Biblical word but a 'theological' word promoted by man to explain the man-made trinity doctrine....Jesus was not incarnated, the Bible doesn't teach this. \\

Wrong on all counts.

John 1 says, "The Word [Who was God] WAS MADE FLESH."

That's what "Incarnation" means--was made flesh.

Would you like to try again?
---Cluny on 9/26/10


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Catherine- I agree! Incarnation is not a Biblical word but a 'theological' word promoted by man to explain the man-made trinity doctrine.

Your statement- 'Incarnation- A theological term for the coming of God's Son...', highlights your confusion. Jesus was not incarnated, the Bible doesn't teach this. God sent his son to be born as a human being. You are also at odds with your fellow trinitarians who teach Jesus is God incarnate. You however believe Jesus was the 'incarnation... of God's Son'. So which one is it? Is Jesus 'God incarnate' or an 'incarnation of God's son'?

The scriptures you cite show Jesus did come in the flesh, AND DIED. AlmightyGod Jehovah is eternal & cannot die. Jesus is thus not 'God incarnate'.
---David8318 on 9/26/10


Ignorance is not blissfulness. Ignorance of the things of God will get you a one-way ticket to hell, my friend. I am going to answer your questions and then I am going to address David's comments: [A] Yes, Jesus' Blood was divine, [B] The only way that you can get to heaven, [C] Yes, [D] Yes...... DAVID, man, you are missing the mark. You better stop this....Incarnation---A theological term for the coming of God's Son into the world as a human-being. [Romans 8:3, Eph. 2:15, and Col. 1:22>>>"Yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him "holy and blameless and beyond reproach".
---catherine on 9/26/10


Jesus' blood was human. Jesus was a human being when on earth. The idea that Jesus was divine when on earth is promoted by those who erroneously believe in the trinity and that therefore, Jesus was God in the flesh, or God incarnate.

'Incarnate' is not used in the Bible. It is not used because Jesus was not God incarnate. Jesus was a human being- a man. If Jesus was God 'incarnate', why would 'God' need to be born in the natural way through the womb of a woman? This in itself contradicts the very idea of 'incarnation'. Why not simply 'incarnate' himself as a man?

Thus, 'God incarnate' is not a Bible teaching. The value of Jesus blood has been presented to God and he has obtained 'an everlasting deliverance for us.'- Heb.9:12.
---David8318 on 9/26/10


[1] The Blood of Jesus was divine. [2] The Blood is everything. [3] Oh, yes it is preserved beyond His death. When He saved me, I had the great favour of actually feeling His Blood move up me. [4] If you die without the Blood of Jesus you shall go to hell. No matter your beliefs here.
---catherine on 8/30/10


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Cluny,
We do not worship the flesh of Christ including his blood. We worship Him for who he IS. Contextual meaning of "blood" are the same as those for "death" or "sacrifice". The terms are all interchangable for Paul.

If he in fact was the son of Mary (from her seed) then his flesh is just as human as yours and mine. This in no way detracts from his dual nature as the Son of God/Son of Man. However, it was in his role as Son of Man that he redeemed mankind. He was the perfect representative of the human race as was Adam. The whole point of the miraculous conception was so that Jesus the MAN could be born with out sin. As such, he was the only one qualified to die for the sins of others.
---Bruce5656 on 8/27/10


\\Jesus was fully human \\

Jesus IS fully human...... but not just.

He is also fully divine.

He is both from the first instant of His incarnation in the womb of the Virgin Mary.

Each nature retains its proper properties.

So, His blood is BOTH.

But you cannot isolate the Blood of Christ from the rest of Him. That is an error.

We worship the WHOLE Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, not just bits and pieces of Him.
---Cluny on 8/26/10


Mima,

Jesus was fully human
or
a theophony (God appearing in the form of a man) (as when he appeared to Abraham for example.)

If a theophony could do the job there was no need of a "human birth". He could have come to earth in the form of an adult.

If he was a theophony, then Mary was simply a surrogate and Gen 3:15 is a lie.

If he was human, born of Mary's seed, his blood was human.

The sacrifical death of the perfect (hum)man is our redemption. References to the "blood" are exactly the same in Paul's writings as references to the "sacrifice" or "the cross".

Jesus is the second Adam. Not a pretender to humanity, but fully human.
---Bruce5656 on 8/26/10


Mima,
I would like to be clear that I believe that Jesus is God in the flesh.

Mary was his mother in every natural sense. The miracle is the means of her ovum being fertilized (a divine act of creation of the male genetic material necessary for conception).

Paul used various euphamisims to refer to his sacrifice including:
1 Cor 1:17, "cross of Christ." He calls the cross the power of God v18
Ephesians 2:16, "reconcile...by the cross"
Heb 10:12 refereces the "sacrifice"
Or even simply "died" as in Rom 5:6
Many more examples could be used to demonstrate that all of these expressions referenced the sacrificial death of the perfect MAN, Jesus by which we may be saved.
---Bruce5656 on 8/26/10


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God asked me one day, "How many Christians did I think there are"? I said "well, they are saying millions all over the world". God asked me again, "How many would you say that I have actually chosen". Of course, I didn't know....But, I tell you one thing, it sure is not in the millions. I really wish God's preachers would get a grip in this.
---catherine on 8/23/10

Caterine,

Are you sure it wasn't a scripture verse you were reading:

"he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? "

And then you read a few more verses:

"He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? " ( Matthew 16:14-19)
---Ruben on 8/24/10


\\God asked me one day, "How many Christians did I think there are"? I said "well, they are saying millions all over the world". God asked me again, "How many would you say that I have actually chosen"\\

Jesus said, "Whoever comes to Me I will in no way cast out.'

catherine says that the entity she calls "god," says that some who come WILL be cast out (if not most).

Further proof that the entity she hears from is a demonic religious spirit.
---Cluny on 8/24/10


Hebrews 9:14

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

What mere man's blood or blood of animals can do such a thing? Blood doesnt have the power to remove guilt and evil works.

Christs blood was divine. There is POWER in His blood. (wonder working power!)
---JackB on 8/24/10


If the blood of Jesus Christ was human blood then human blood according to the Bible accomplished following,

1. Acts 20:28 - "church of God purchased with His own blood"
2. Eph. 1:7 - "we have redemption through His blood"
3. I Pet. 1:9 - "redeemed...with precious blood"
4. Rev. 5:9 - "purchased for God with His blood, men from every tribe"


After reviewing this to you still thank Jesus' blood was human blood?
---mima on 8/24/10


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---Leslie I liked your posts today.
---mima on 8/24/10


---Leslie I liked your posts today.
---mima on 8/24/10


Steveng and Josef: Amen. Well said!!
---Bruce5656 on 8/24/10


A = the blood of Jesus is divine blood
B = the blood is so important, because it is part of the covenant that God has with us as His children - if only most Christians would study about the blood covenant in Eastern cultures, then they would get how serious and important the blood is.
C = Yes, the blood of Jesus was perserved beyond His death
D = Yes, the blood of Jesus can and must be applied to people today (for protection, healing, deliverance, and salvation). Without the blood of Jesus, you are not truly saved or have your sins erased.
---Leslie on 8/24/10


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to temporarily cover Adam and Eve with animal skins, animal bloodshed was needed.

to cover humans permanently, Human Bloodshed was needed.

Romans 3:24-26

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,

26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
---aka on 8/24/10


I met someone who claimed to be a millionaire. He didn't have a cent. So what people claim is not necessary true. Some, who post here, claim to be Saved but their fruits show something different than their testimony states.
Then the RCC claims "the shortest and surest way to heaven is through the holy Eucharist." This is the wafer god theology.
"The Blood is applied through, by, in, and at the Eucharistic Sacrifice." Well, as some say so well here, show me Book, Chapter and Verse that teaches this......
---Elder on 8/24/10


"Here is a little testimony for Cuny. God asked me one day......." (catherine)

I spoke to God this wonderful night, and He told me that He has never spoken to you, but He said that many demonic forces are talking to you pretending that they are Him. He told me to tell you that you need to go to church and celebrate the Divine Liturgy and stop staying home and missing your blessing.

He is not happy with you Catherine!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/23/10


Blood in the scripture represents life. The blood of the Lord, the Divine being represents Divine Life, thus the only source of life.
His blood or life is the way for us to live.
God Bless.
---simon on 8/24/10


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Steve I wonder about the blood being a metaphor. In OT times it was real blood which was shed (and untold litres of it) to gain forgiveness. And Jesus' blood was definetly shed for us.
---Warwick on 8/24/10


"How would you answer these questions concerning the blood of Jesus Christ?"
"A. Was the blood of Jesus human or divine blood?" Human.
Yet "precious...as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."
B. How important is the blood? Very. Without the shedding of His blood, as The Anointed Saviour, there would have been for man, no final remission of sin.
C. Is the blood of Jesus preserved beyond His death? Literally, No.
As a metaphor for His atoning sacrifice for man, Yes.
D. Can the blood of Jesus be applied to people today? Metaphorically, yes. Literally, No.
---Josef on 8/24/10


Here is a little testimony for Cuny. God asked me one day, "How many Christians did I think there are"? I said "well, they are saying millions all over the world". God asked me again, "How many would you say that I have actually chosen". Of course, I didn't know....But, I tell you one thing, it sure is not in the millions. I really wish God's preachers would get a grip in this.
---catherine on 8/23/10


\\Lets face it, for goodness sakes. If God were saving very many people this world would be much, much, much, much, much, much, better place\\

Let's face it, for goodness's sake, catherine.

One half to two-thirds of American claim to be born-again.

What do you think of that?
---Cluny on 8/23/10


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Behind every metaphor in the bible is a truth. The phrase "the blood of Jesus" is nothing more than a metaphor of his death. A person who has studied poetry, or even Shakespeare, would understand most, if not all, metaphors in the bible (only after reading within context). Students within the past thirty years have not studied poetry like they used to before the 1950s. The Jewish people were always creative as you can tell as you read through the bible. That's why most of them succeed in the creative fields. They also succeed in the technical fields when they could see relationships between two seemingly different ideas.
---Steveng on 8/23/10


Lets face it, for goodness sakes. If God were saving very many people this world would be much, much, much, much, much, much, better place. Any fool could see this, if they stopped and think. Ahh....The Blood of Jesus>>>Divine....How important is the Blood? Without it, you are damned. You be must saved through His Blood. I am talking of true salvation, here....Yes, His Blood is eternal. This last question, I more or less have answered up at the top of page. But, the answer to your question>>>The Blood of Jesus, ahhh never goes out of style. Never old-fashion.
---catherine on 8/23/10


Why should the Blood of Christ be isolated from the rest of His human nature?

Answer that question, first, mima. Because this is the assumption that underlies your questions.

The Blood is applied through, by, in, and at the Eucharistic Sacrifice.
---Cluny on 8/23/10


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