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Is Repentance Needed

We have a blog concerning repentance. Is it necessary yes or no. Is the woman at the well saved in the end or still lost? Is the woman at the well story where or when is the woman's repentance?

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How did people from Adam, Abel, Seth, Noah, up to Abraham, come into a right relationship with God, faith + nothing? No way, it was faith + sacrifice. They couldnt approach God without the sacrifice. Up to the Cross even in Christs earthly ministry, did Jesus ever teach the concept of a salvation by faith and faith alone. No. They were still to adhere to the Law of Moses, also they added responsibility of repentance and water baptism, + their faith. But faith alone wasn't enough. In early Acts, it wasnt just faith and faith alone. They had to repent and be baptized, and that was a requirement. It wasnt empty words, but a requirement.
Heb. 11:4 "By faith Abel (believed God? No. He offered. He did something) offered a sacrifice...
---michael_e on 10/22/10


Amen Gordon. To think otherwise in an identity crisis brought on by identity theft.
---Deborah on 10/22/10


MarkV, Actually, those who follow CHRIST YAHUSHUA (JESUS) are called "Saints", they are not "sinners". Yes, we fall short, but, we are to strive to, sooner or later, stop and cease from participating in those sins that are willful and that beset us. We are to strive to be victorious over sin and be overcomers. We do not have a green-light from GOD to keep sinning the same old destructive, willful sins. At some point they have to stop. That includes ME, we who are a part of His Church. "Sinners" is a title for us in our old nature. Christians who are Born-Again are SAINTS. They're made new in CHRIST YAHUSHUA.
---Gordon on 10/22/10


David, Old Testament people were saved by Grace through faith in Christ (God), New Testament people are saved by Grace through faith in Christ. There is no other gospel. One Gospel. Don't confuse youself about salvation. What the law could not do, save anyone, because all man sin and come short of the glory of God, Christ did, because He kept the law and remained sinless for our behalf. It's only through His sinless works that we are saved.
---MarkV. on 10/22/10


cathrine, I enjoyed what you wrote on 10/21/2010.
Concerning repentance, one cannot repent until there has been a change, until there has been a work done by the Holy Ghost.
Gal 5:22 tells us that faith is one of the attributes of the fruit of the Spirit of God.
God, changes the tree. He makes the tree good - Matt 12:33.
Without faith it is impossible to please God - Heb 11:6.
Once God makes the tree good, and the person possesses faith, then the person realizes they are a sinner in need of a saviour. It is then that one is able to repent.
---trey on 10/22/10




David, your back to the same problems you have with sin. ---MarkV. on 10/21/10

And That problem being, your teaching are simply not supported by Jesus Christ.

Mark
There were people being saved when Paul was still Saul.
By what teachings were they being saved??
The teachings of Jesus Christ... of course.

Pretend that you are a disciple, before Paul wrote his epistles.
Now teach us what you believe, through those Gospels.
What's that......You can't?
Mark, That's my whole point!

If your teachings are not supported by Jesus Christ, are they from Christ?
---David on 10/22/10


David, your back to the same problems you have with sin. First I know you are not sinless, because I know you are a sinner. Yes, a forgiven sinner. Who now wears the imputed righteousness of Christ. That only covers your sins for the time you are alive, if the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if He does not dwell in you, nothing covers you, you are an unforgiven sinner, in need of Christ righteousness. When Jesus spoke of not sinning, what did you want Him to say? "Sin a little," or how about "don't sin to much?"
He could not ask for anything less that perfect obedience. But does He expect us to be perfect? Not at all. He knows that while in this world we will sin, and when we do He is our Advocate.
---MarkV. on 10/21/10


Are we to understand that what you are saying is that the Epistles of Paul threw Christ under the bus in his teachings?
---christan on 10/21/10

No,
What I'm saying is that the way in which Paul's letters are being taught in most Churches today, they make Paul look like he was against Christ.

One of many Examples:
Most protestant teachers, like MarkV, teach that even though they sin, they are not slaves to sin, as according to Paul's teachings.

What did Jesus teach on this matter?
(John 8:34)
Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.

Christan,
Did Jesus exclude any sinner's in the word, "Everyone"?
---David on 10/21/10


Isn't it amazing whom God chooses. We are not much in the sight of this world. But, to God we are His lovelies, loveies, His chosen ones. She was saved. Christ now begins to arouse her conscience and sense of guilt. Before anyone can be saved in this house, today, you must see your need of salvation and be convicted that you are a sinner, my friends....It is of the GREATEST HONOR, [not praises from man], it is, God, making Himself known to you. Two things which affected this Samaritan woman [1] The extent of His knowledge--Jesus, knows all things. [we ourselves cannot know all things we have done].[2] The power of His word...To tell you the truth, it amazes me, that people seems to know more about us than we know about ourselves..Ah Jesus+
---catherine on 10/21/10


//He does according to His will in the army of heaven, and the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand//---MarkV

I can use this verse to back up what I believe also. Everyone can.

Its not Gods power and authority that is at question. Its how He uses it. If He doesnt use it in the manner that you approve of, you label him as weak. Hes not weak at all. Hes just not insecure in His reign. He dispenses power and responsibility to his creations and those powers in no way threaten his rule. THAT is a strong God!

There are others ways to KNOW that we have salvation and that God will stick with us thru thick and thin rather than believing things that are directly refuted by scripture.
---JackB on 10/21/10




David, you said - "Whenever you use Jesus as a source of the Truth, they will throw Jesus under the bus with the Letters of Paul."

Are we to understand that what you are saying is that the Epistles of Paul threw Christ under the bus in his teachings? Let's get one thing very straight, the Holy Bible from Genesis to Revelation DOES NOT CONTRADICT one book from the other. It is the depraved mind of man that is in total enmity to God's Word. There's no secret codes or formulas to the understanding of the Word.

If you bother to read MarkV's last reply to Gordon, you will understand what "enmity" means. The explanation is simple and true.
---christan on 10/21/10


Gordon, you say, "MarkV, GOD is always trying to draw men to HIMSELF."
John 6:44 does not say He is trying, but that He does. He does as He pleases. "He does according to His will in the army of heaven, and the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand"
You imply man can stay His hand, and while He struggles to save He cannot because man will not allow Him to. That's not the God of Scripture. Whatever God has decreed is inexorably certain, for He is without variableness, or shadow of turning, James 1:17. Therefore we are told at the very beginning of James, which unveils to us so much of the future, of things which must shortly come to pass"
---MarkV. on 10/21/10


Gordon 2: Now to your question, God commands people to believe in Christ an Jesus ask to repent. If unregenerate people could choose Christ, then they could be subject to at least one of God's commands and they could at least do something that is pleasing to God. If that is so, then the Apostle Paul has erred here in insisting that those who are in the flesh can neither be subject to God nor please Him. Fallen man is still free to choose what he desires, but because his desires are only wicked he lacks the moral ability to come to Christ. As long as he remains in the flesh, unregenerate, he will never choose Christ. He cannot choose Christ precisely because he cannot act against his own will. He cannot choose what he does not desire.
---MarkV. on 10/21/10


David, Yeah, it's now more for the benefit of those out there who want to know the answer to the above Blog Question. Their misrepresentation of the nature of Repentance does not, neither, line up with the teachings of Sha'ul (Paul). For Sha'ul followed the Teachings of YAHUSHUA (JESUS). If anyone was to follow Sha'ul, they should do what he did, and that's follow YAHUSHUA. Sha'ul says in I CORINTHIANS 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of MASHIACH (CHRIST)."
---Gordon on 10/21/10


MarkV, GOD is always trying to draw men to HIMSELF. When a person has destroyed their own life from living their own sinful way, GOD is around to draw that person to HIMSELF. The Blessed Holy Spirit is there to offer the Gift of Faith and the ability for the person to see their own sin and their ensuing need for GOD's Forgiveness. If the person will humbly call on the LORD, declare his Repentance of his own sin and accept the Gift of GOD's Forgiveness through His Son's shed Blood, that person shall be saved. The person's awareness and acknowledgement of their sin and need of repentance all comes from GOD. But, the person must be willing to "change their mind" about their sin, and be willing to turn away from, repent of their sin.
---Gordon on 10/21/10


MarkV and James L, Does one need to repent of sin in order to be saved? The answer is YES. What did John the Baptist commonly cry out to the people?---Gordon on 10/20/10

Gordon
You are wasting your time using the Gospels as a source of reference.
Sad as it is, These folks have built their doctrines on the supposed teachings of Paul, and have completely rejected Jesus Christ as the Truth.

Whenever you use Jesus as a source of the Truth, they will throw Jesus under the bus with the Letters of Paul.
They have placed the disciple above the Master, even though Jesus gave clear warning against this.
(Matthew 10:24)
The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
---David on 10/21/10


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Gordon, before I answer your question, think carefully, that fallen man is flesh. Romans 8:7,8.
"The fleshly mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, 'nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God"
I ask, who are those who are 'in the flesh?' Paul says, "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, "if" indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you" What distinguishes those who are in the flesh from those who are not is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. People who are in the flesh have not been reborn. Unless they are first reborn, born of the Holy Spirit, they cannot be subject to the law of God.
They cannot please God.
---MarkV. on 10/21/10


MarkV and James L, Does one need to repent of sin in order to be saved? The answer is YES. What did John the Baptist commonly cry out to the people? MATTHEW 3:2. What was one of the first Commands that the Lord Himself cried out at the beginning of His Ministry on Earth? MATTHEW 4:17. What did YAHUSHUA tell the Adulteress at the end of their talk, after her accusers left? What did He tell her? JOHN 8:11. You want Scripture Verses? I'll give you Scripture Verses. But, a false doctrine will not be preached here without someone rebuking it. Salvation involves a Two-Way Relationship. YAHUSHUA paid the Blood Price for sin, but, that Blood does no one any good until they are willing to Repent of their sin, and have a changed mind regarding sin.
---Gordon on 10/20/10


And who calls on the name of the Lord? Those who believe in Him by faith.
\\MarkV on 10/19/10\\

That's the most awesome comment because that's what Romans 10:10 says "with the heart one believes and is made righteous" THEN AFTER HE'S MADE RIGHTEOUS "confession (calling on His Name) is made unto salvation"

It should be VERY clear that "salvation" in this passage is not justification. And "calling on His name" (v 13)is NOT praying TO Him, but it is confessing Him. In other words whosoever is called by His name shall be "saved".

Mima, read verse 20 "I was made manifest to those who DID NOT ask for me"
---James_L on 10/20/10


Hebrews 11:6 - "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

Hence, faith from God WILL always lead to repentance to God and believe in His Son Jesus Christ, that His death at Calvary was payment for your sins. And repentance is unto death in the flesh, everyday - for we always sin against God.

And where does this faith comes from? Answer: Ephesians 2:8,9 - "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Faith CANNOT be earned or worked out by sinful man. It MUST be given to him by God.
---christan on 10/20/10


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Gordon, I explained Scriptures to you so did James. You then say to me,
But, nevertheless, Satan, again, is able to influence one to twist the meaning of the Verse to think that it doesn't mean what it says, so, be careful, MarkV, please do not let Satan deceive you"
Gordon, I could as easily said that to you, but I have respect for you, that I would never introduce satan to our godly discussion. But you show no respect for others who kindly answer you. You are no different then those others who do the same around here when they have no answers from God. All of you speak about God and not sinning and all righteous, but the best you can do was to use satan as your defense. Don't let him into your brain, study the Word of God.
---MarkV. on 10/20/10


We know that the woman at the well changed her mind. Otherwise she wouldn't have went to the village and told the Men what she did. This changing of the mind was her act of repentance.
---mima on 10/20/10


Repentance is necessary. And there is no holy scripture nor indication that the Samaritan woman at the well repented from her current adultery nor asked Jesus Christ to forgive her and to save her.
---Eloy on 10/20/10


---catherine May I remind you what Romans 10:13, Acts 2:21, and Joel2:32 says,
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
---mima on 10/20/10


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Yes Gordon, another misunderstood Scripture. Roman 10:13: Mean, in your prayers call on God for help. Do not think that everyone who says "Lord Lord" will be saved. I can assure you with all confidence, you will die and go to HELL. Words will not save you, only the Blood will save you, powerful it is, my friends.+
---catherine on 10/19/10


Gordon,

When you read Romans 10:9-13, why don't you keep reading down to verse 20

"I was made manifest to those who DID NOT ASK for me."

Then ask yourself if you can still think man asks God to "save" him before he is justified.

You took that verse so far out of context that you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
---James_L on 10/19/10


Gordon, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be save"
Great passage. And who calls on the name of the Lord? Those who believe in Him by faith. Why do they call Him? Because they can call Him. James and I just finished telling you that the lost are unable of themselves, they are Spiritually dead to the things of God. They cannot see, hear or percieve the things of God. They have to be able to, in order for them to call on the name of the Lord. Why? They are in bondage to sin, doing the desires of their father the devil. What happens to the lost is they are reborn of the Spirit, what the Bible calls, the quickening of the heart by the Spirit. They can now see, hear, and comprehend the things of Christ.
---MarkV. on 10/19/10


MarkV, ROMANS 10:13 "For whosoever shall CALL UPON the Name of the LORD shall be saved." Salvation is a personal experience with the LORD, therefore, one does need to call upon the LORD when receiving Salvation from the LORD. I just gave you Scripture to back up what I'm saying. But, nevertheless, Satan, again, is able to influence one to twist the meaning of the Verse to think that it doesn't mean what it says, so, be careful, MarkV, please do not let Satan deceive you.
---Gordon on 10/19/10


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I agree with the comment made by---Harold on 10/19/10
---mima on 10/19/10


Gordon no, it did not begin by calling on the name of the Lord as you imply, He says, "And you He made alive who were dead in trespasses and sins" That is how it begans. Eph 2:1. And after explaining that first, that He made them alive who were dead, and where they came from when lost, He again says in Verse 4,
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved "us" the loved us are believers, "even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ, (by grace you have been saved" No where does God say, that while man was lost, he took it upon himself to call after God, or that he repented before he was brought to life.
---MarkV. on 10/19/10


Repentance is not merely being sorry for the sins you have committed, it is developing a hatred for them. This does not mean you will never sin again, you will, but it will cause you deep spiritual pain. "Repentance is necessary for salvation, but merely as a preparation of the heart and not as a price paid for the gift of life. Faith is the only condition to salvation, and it is the gift of God". Lectures in Systematic Theology, Henry C. Thiessen
Yes, repentance is necessary for salvation.
---Harold on 10/19/10


MarkV and James L, I don't get where you two think that EPHESIANS 2:2 supports the belief that Repentance of sin is not required to be saved. EPHESIANS 2:2 only goes against the very false doctrine you're espousing. A Christian, who formerly walked in accordance to the course of the world, of which the Devil is the prince, walks no more according to the course of said evil world. And, how did they start to do that? They began by calling upon the LORD and repenting of their sin, and received thereafter the Forgiveness of GOD for their sins. They AGREED WITH GOD that their sin was wrong, evil, and rebellious against GOD and they chose to accept GOD's Offer of Salvation and AGREED to turn away from their sin.
---Gordon on 10/19/10


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//Non-believers are NEVER called to turn from sin//

How do you think ANYONE is ever saved?


God has no pleasure in death (Ezekiel 33:11)

Christ tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9)

Christs sacrifice is the atonement (not just for some) but for everyone (1 John 2:2)

God wants all men to know the truth and be saved (1 Tim 2:4)

Christ is drawing all men to himself (John 12:32)

Once he is with us, he will never betray us! (Heb 13:5)(Matt 28:20)


BUT..........

Men can deny the Lord that bought them by believing lies and turning from the truth AFTER they have accepted it (2 Peter 2:1,21)

That is why we must put on the whole armor of God (Eph 6:11)
---JackB on 10/19/10


MarkV,
Great quote with Eph 2:2
Others should realize that there is nothing they can "do" to make themselves worth saving. Keep up the good work, brother

Gordon,
Read Acts 17:22-34
Paul's message is laden with the supremecy of God, and says God needs nothing a man can offer (v.25). BUT, though men have been ignorant, God now commands all men, everywhere, to REPENT (v.30). Repentance is contrasted with being ignorant of the nature of God. Verse 31 God has given assurance by the resurrection that Jesus is judge of all.

After hearing of the resurrection, some became believers. It does not say some turned from their sins. We turn from sin AFTER conversion through the inward work of the Holy Spirit.
---James_L on 10/18/10


\\Gordon\\
JamesL, Right, let's say that Repentance is to "Change our minds" about sin.

Gordon, it's not even a change of mind about sin. And it does not mean that we change our own mind, it means HAVE A change of mind, period. A change of mind comes about by conviction, not by choice. The context will tell you what to have a change of mind about.

To the non-believer, the change of mind is this - FROM relying on self or other gods TO reliance upon Christ and His atoning sacrifice as sufficient means by which we are declared acceptacle to God.

For the believer, the call to repent is related to numerous issues, most having to do with sin.

Don't confuse the two or you do damage to others
---James_L on 10/18/10


James, great answers you gave Gordon. I like where you stated'
"Non-believers are NEVER called to turn from sin, as they are SLAVES to sin and DO NOT have the ability to turn from sin."
That is so true, and one that I wish others would understand. While slaves to sin, they cannot turn another way. They are trapped and Eph. 2:2 tells us,
"In which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, (and hear this) fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others"
---MarkV. on 10/18/10


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JamesL, Right, let's say that Repentance is to "Change our minds" about sin. So, instead of loving it, instead of enjoying it and indulging in it....Instead of thinking of how wonderful the pleasure of it is....Instead of not caring whether it offends a Holy GOD or not....Instead of demanding our "rights" to do what ever we want in sin....So, we are, then, to regard sin as EVIL, DARK, DESTRUCTIVE, something that does offend GOD, and something that HE says we Saints are to (strive to, learn to) have NO PART OF. That's Repentance! GOD will not let anyone in Heaven that continues to indulge sin. HELL and the Lake of Fire are the only alternatives then. REVELATION 21:8 means what it says. It applies to both Christians and Pagans.
---Gordon on 10/18/10


Gordon is correct. I'll take it a bit furter.... Only God can change us, LITTLE BIT BY LITTLE BIT, He'll change you. We cannot change ourselves. That way God gets all the credit. God is also big on our being ourselves, very important if you are going into the ministry. Unless you have been through some stuff in this life you will not be able to understand the weak in this world. And your ministry will not be powerful. Hallelujah. Ah Jesus+
---catherine on 10/17/10


Gordon, misunderstand the word repent, and go off on a tangent isn't an answer. "Repent" in the NT is translated from a Greek word which means "HAVE A CHANGE OF MIND". It is not a theological word. If you change your mind about which shirt to wear today, you have had a change of mind and therefore have repented. Learn what the word means before you speak foolishly.

Non-believers are NEVER called to turn from sin, as they are SLAVES to sin and DO NOT have the ability to turn from sin.

What is required is to understand the CONSEQUENCES of our sin and believe that Jesus paid the full penalty on our behalf. That is the repentance (change of mind) God requires, and that is the work of the Holy Spirit.
---James_L on 10/17/10


---Donna66 your correct the woman was a misfit (outcast, perhaps prostitute) in her community.

I've been in villages were women carry water pots on their heads, and they usually come in the cool cool of the morning or late evening. They come in a gossipy group with much laughing and talking.

When she told the men of the village this man told me everything ever I did you can bet she got their attention(notice she told the men and not the women). Her repentance was shown in that she changed her mind about who Jesus was. Not just an ordinary Jew but the long sought after Christ!!!
---mima on 10/17/10


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Nothing is recorded about her repentance, but I believe she did.. while in the company of Jesus. Coming as she did to the well, alone and at an odd time of day, it appears she was somthing of a misfit in her town.

But the woman who came to the well was notably changed by the time she left. She came for an everyday necessity (water) but left her water pots behind when she returned to the city. She may have been disrespected, but something made the men listen as she said (Jhn 4:29) Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ? They left the city to find Jesus. Finding him, they begged Him to stay. And we learn that:
Jhn 4:41And many more believed because of his own word,

---Donna66 on 10/16/10


I have studied that Scripture a little. She was saved. She had to repent. It could've been a heart kind of repentance, just like the thief on the cross that was saved....In any-case, Jesus has to forgive you of all your sins, but, in my sinners prayer I actually asked God to forgive me. But, good grief, He had just flashed a vision of hell right in front of me. Told me that was where I was going to go, if didn't get forgiveness of all my sins. So, I Told Him, "Jesus, I don't want to die and go to hell please forgive me of all of my sins, past, present, and future. I wanted to cover everything, after-all, I had just received a vision of hell.
---catherine on 10/16/10


James L., You said "Repentance isn't turning from sin." THAT IS NOT TRUE. What's the point, then, of the Holy Spirit convicting us of sin? It's not only so that we'll "see our sinfulness and need for Salvation, and then take the Free Gift of Salvation, so we can all end up in Heaven." These things are true, but, not without the context of KNOWING that GOD hates sin, and HE wants it out of our lives! We are to see sin for what it is: Darkness, Evil and Rebellion. We are to see that GOD hates it. HE is repulsed by it. HE cannot even look upon it. Heaven is a sinless Place, and we, as Christians, are to LEARN to live without sin. It's a process. Some take longer than others...But, it IS to be a Goal of ours!
---Gordon on 10/16/10


mima, you are absolutely correct when you say that "repent" means to have a change of mind.

Repentance isn't turning from sin. Go back to the Greek.

It is required for justification. When we reject our on efforts to gain heaven, preferring instead to rely upon Christ an His work on our behalf, we have had the most monumental change of mind possible. But WE do not change our own mind. The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, then convinces us of God's promise that Jesus paid the whole debt.

The woman at the well had this change of mind, as is evidenced by reading the account.
---James_L on 9/21/10


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Yes. Mark I'm back again. But I don't have much time for the blogs anymore. I've started a business (an LLC) and it keeps me quite busy. I like to check back once in a while, though. Glad to see you are still here, still upholding the Truth.
---Donna66 on 8/30/10


Donna66, are you back or is it someone else using Donna66? If you are back, welcome back. I had not seen your blog name for a long time. blessings
---MarkV. on 8/30/10


Anyway, despite my REPENTING for the SIN of divorce, I always am asked to REPENT again. At many churches, prayer meetings, men's retreats, etc. that I attend.

Augie, there are some people who believe that every pain or unpleasantness in life is deserved, caused by a person's own sin. Therefore, the advice to "repent" is the only help they know how to give a person. Besides, it makes them feel soooo good and righteous to point out somebody's sin.

If you weren't divorced, they would find another reason to tell you to repent.
Actually, since you are a Christian, the Holy Spirit is able to convict you without their help, if you really do sin. Don't allow them to speak for the "accuser of the brethren".
---Donna66 on 8/29/10


Augie, Repentance unto salvation is only once. It happens when the Spirit convicts you of your rebellion against God that you did not recognized before. As Catherine said, God has to reveal that to you by the Spirit.
And on repenting again and again, it happens to all who are saved. Because in our new dispostion we do not like to sin against God, and every time we do, we feel a conviction, and we ask for forgiveness for sinning against Him. We now have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. We repent. And we will keep repenting until we die. That is who we are now, a new creation.
---MarkV. on 8/29/10


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I think if she was saved. (or better said, I know she was)
It would have been when she accepted the fact she was a sinner.
Joh 4:29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

Right before this, its almost as if hes putting her down:
Joh 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
Joh 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands, and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

But its just the truth! You are a sinner!
We all of us are. Thank God!

What think ye?
God Bless!
---TheSeg on 8/29/10


Thank you, aka
---catherine on 8/27/10


//...The woman first saw a Jew, then a prophet, and then finally the Messiah....He explains to this woman that where you worship is not important. It is the action of the heart, which God is impress by. Worship in spirit and in truth, because, God is spirit. God is a person. God is truth. [John 4:7].//
---catherine on 8/26/10

catherine,

is that you? that last post was one of the best posts that i've read since on here.
---aka on 8/27/10


125 words limit

The thief was a one time accomadation is all. All who use this as a justifacation is HeLL bound, #WHY?

You missed Jesus salvation plan. Depart from me He may say

Repent, be baptize AND filled with Holy Ghost John 3:3-5

The only verse that if you do this you will enter heaven

Look for "Prayer From Jesus"
---tom on 8/26/10


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Before anyone can be saved, he must see his need of salvation and be CONVICTED of his sin----Christ did it at the well, yes He saved the woman at the well. Jesus aroused her conscience and sense of guilt. "I that speak unto thee am He". The woman first saw a Jew, then a prophet, and then finally the Messiah....He explains to this woman that where you worship is not important. It is the action of the heart, which God is impress by. Worship in spirit and in truth, because, God is spirit. God is a person. God is truth. [John 4:7].
---catherine on 8/26/10


Luke 23:42-43 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches, To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
He called Jesus 'Lord'.
He knew Jesus was heading for a kingdom.
It appears that the thief on the cross never sinned after he met Christ.
Can any of us say the same?
Where else would he go?
---micha9344 on 8/25/10


Did the thief on the cross repent?
---micha9344 on 8/24/10

Where does the Bible say that the Thief on the cross was saved, that he was given Eternal Life?
---David on 8/25/10


David, I think I have a better idea of the verse I was thinking of than you do.
---Cluny on 8/25/10

Cluny
I was not saying that you used the wrong verse, but that we were on the same page when it comes to Faith being by works.
---David on 8/25/10


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As I've stated in other blogs, my wife divorced me after seeing a church counselor. The Bible does say that divorce -- whatever the reason(s) -- is SIN. I do believe that we need to REPENT and ask God for forgiveness of SIN.

Anyway, despite my REPENTING for the SIN of divorce, I always am asked to REPENT again. At many churches, prayer meetings, men's retreats, etc. that I attend.

Has anyone else experienced this? Where you never seem to be DONE with repenting for SIN in your past?

Doesn't the BIBLE teach that we need to REPENT of SIN "once" and we're forgiven?

Otherwise, we'd all end up doing nothing but REPENTING over-and-over until we die. I'm not sure that God wants us to do that.
---Augie on 8/25/10


//\\Belief will produce works,
but works will never produce belief.
---mima on 8/25/10\\

Wrong again, mima.

Opposing faith and works is a false dichotomy.// -cluny

Jesus did it in Matthew 7:21-23:

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
---aka on 8/25/10


The theif on the cross DID repent - He asked the Son of God to remember him, and before that told the other man on the other cross that Jesus was being punished unjustly, but they were being punished for doing wrong. This was repentance, because he relized his sin and his need for a savior.
---Leslie on 8/25/10


To---micha9344 on 8/24/10, you mentioned the perfect example of what repentance is.
The thief on the cross changed his mind and we know that changing one mine is what real repentance is. Those who believe in works want to lay the heavyweight of change(beyond just changing one's mind) on top of repentance. Thereby making it impossible for anyone to completely repent. If however changing of your mind is repentance and it is, repentance is easily accomplished.
---mima on 8/25/10


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\\Belief will produce works,
but works will never produce belief.
---mima on 8/25/10\\

Wrong again, mima.

Opposing faith and works is a false dichotomy.

**Wrong verse, same page.**

David, I think I have a better idea of the verse I was thinking of than you do.
---Cluny on 8/25/10


---David on 8/25/10 I agree with what you say and how you say it but I stand violently opposed to many words to gain God's favor are to arrive at belief.

Belief will produce works,
but works will never produce belief.
---mima on 8/25/10


Actually, I was thinking of a verse in John 6: "This is the WORK of God: To believe in Him Whom He sent."
---Cluny on 8/24/10

Wrong verse, same page.

Mima
Look back at (John 3:16).
Who does it say will gain Eternal Life?
Is it not those who "believe" in The Son of God?
If we believe, should that belief be accompanied by works?

Now let's look at this verse again.
(John 14:12)KJV
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that "believes" on me, the works that I do, shall he do also."
---David on 8/25/10


My understanding--The more we are exposed to the True Word of God-Our sins are exposed.
The Holy Sprit-(God-living Word) conficts us----our repentance provides remission from that sin.
Luke 24:39-53

Many love God with all their hearts-yet-are stuck in the word from the enemy-instead of truth.
When their opens are open to the scriptures and they see truth-repentance is made for the remission of sin. Declaring the truth(Word of God) and believng the truth-saves them from deception to the end.

If you Do Not believe in the death and Complete Resurrection of Christ-you are on the wrong path---sin unto death.
Christ resurrection proves He is Eternal-the Word does not cease-Immanuel-God-with us now in Spirit.
---char on 8/25/10


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\\And Here's that verse:\\

Actually, I was thinking of a verse in John 6: "This is the WORK of God: To believe in Him Whom He sent."
---Cluny on 8/24/10


Did the thief on the cross repent?
What was his works whereby us knowing that he repented?
Did Christ know his heart and therefore, knowing he repented before he could take any actions toward revealing his heart, forgave and accepted him?
Does not repentance occur in the heart which produces works?
Are not works the outward evidence of ones faith?
Does not new faith require repentance, a turning from what you originally believed or had faith in?
---micha9344 on 8/24/10


Yet Jesus Christ Himself said that the act of faith is itself a work. ---Cluny on 8/24/10

And Here's that verse:
(John 14:12)KJV
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do, shall he do also."



---David on 8/24/10


Yes, repentance is a MUST for salvation. The Bible says in Luke 13:3,5 - unless you repent, you will perish (die and go to Hell). The woman at the well repented after Jesus had exposed her sin of adultery. This may have been a private repentance, since it is not mentioned in the Bible - however, she did repent & the Bible is clear on this in the way she responds to Jesus.
---Leslie on 8/24/10


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\\ They must teach this, because they teach that Faith is without works. \\

Yet Jesus Christ Himself said that the act of faith is itself a work.
---Cluny on 8/24/10


mima....in v25 when the woman said: I know that Messiah (called Christ)is coming. When he comes he will explain everything to us. v26 Jesus said: "I who speak to you am He".
It was at that moment i believe the woman repented.
---JIM on 8/24/10


Mima
Most Protestant doctrines teach repentance is not necessary for Salvation. They must teach this, because they teach that Faith is without works.
They like to make the claim that Paul taught this in his letters, but is this really what Paul taught?
(2 Corinthians 7:10)KJV
"For Godly sorrow works repentance to Salvation"

What causes Godly sorrow in a believer?
Is it not, disobedience to God.
And how does one prevent feeling this Godly sorrow, this guilt over their sin?
They must turn away from sin and walk in the ways of the Lord.
This is how Godly sorrow brings one into repentance.

Repentance, is when one turns away from sin and walks in the ways of the Lord.
---David on 8/24/10


\\Is the woman at the well saved in the end or still lost? Is the woman at the well story where or when is the woman's repentance?\\

The Samaritan woman, who is named Photini in the Greek tradition or Svetlana in the Slavic (both names mean "The Enlightened One"), her husband at the time, and children were martyrs for Christ.
---Cluny on 8/23/10


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Acts 2:38
Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ (NOT titles of Father, Son, Holy Ghost) but in His name, and ye shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues) Please read the entire chapter of Acts to see what God commanded. Remember He left His church in the hands of His deciples and gave the keys of the kingdom to Peter. We must follow the Apostles doctine. And here plainly it demands repentance.
---rj on 8/23/10


Yes

The woman at the well, if she was still living
even aft Jesus raised & went up from the mount,
if she repented, it would have been here Acts 2 v 38, The Only salvation plan Jesus has given.
---Lawrence on 8/23/10


The question is poorly worded. What I'm intending to ask us where is the repentance of the woman in the woman at the well story? You can find the story in John Chapter 4 of course.
---mima on 8/23/10


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