unsure how a physical battle is reduced to "worship" ...those who take the mark of the beast will fight Christ at His return
1/3 of the Bible is prophecy of which most of it has not happened yet
---Rhonda on 11/3/10|
This statement,"The battle of Armageddon is all about worship, it is not a real war. It is all about who u are going to follow, Jesus or The Antichrist."
---Grantham on 11/3/10
Is a complete rejection of the Bible teaching about Armageddon!
---mima on 11/3/10|
The battle of Armageddon is all about worship, it is not a real war. It is all about who u are going to follow, Jesus or The Antichrist.
---Grantham on 11/3/10|
The last battle is mentioned by many prophets.
For example Zechariah 12-14, Ezekiel 38-39,
Revelation 16:13-21 & 19:11-21.
Eze 39:8 "Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD, this is the day whereof I have spoken."
---Jeffrey on 11/1/10|
there is no battle of Armageddon
Rev 16:16 is ONLY time Armageddon mentioned
Armageddon is from Hebrew words HAR (meaning mountain or hills) and MEGIDDO ...it will be the meeting place of those who will fight Christ outside of Jerusalem Acts 1:11-12, Rev 17:14 Joel 3:9-14, Zech 14:1-4 ...these deceived people will make war with Christ
THE BATTLE is described in Matt 24:22, Rev 16:14 it is The Battle of the Great Day of God Almighty
---Rhonda on 10/23/10|
Armageddon today is the preaching of the Gospel. It is now pointing to spiritual warfare as Paul teaches in Ephesians 6:11,12 -
"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Do not be deceive by those who tell you it will be physically fought out somewhere in the middle-east.
---christan on 10/20/10|
The battle of Armageddon in the OT was a physical and bloody war between God's people and His enemies. Between good and evil. As we are now in post NT, Christ clearly tells us that this physical war is no more when He told Pilate in John 18:35,
"My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews, but now My kingdom is not from here."
---christan on 10/18/10|
The site of the final battle of this age in which God intervenes to destroy the armies of Satan and to cast Satan into the bottomless pit, Halleujah...The most likely location: is the valley between Mount Carmel and the valley of jezreel. This was the crossroads of two ancient trade routes and thus was a strategic military site and the scene of many ancient battles [Revelation 16:16].
---catherine on 10/18/10|
Richard, great subject. the word "die" in Eze. 18:20 is "Muth" which means to die, to kill, slay, bring to death, or have one executed. The Scriptures present death as unnatural, as something which God did not want to happen, but which came about as the result of sin (Gen.3:3). God takes no pleasure in it. A Holy God must separate Himself from anything which is not in harmony with His character. Therefore when our first parents sinned, they had to leave paradise. They were no longer permitted to eat from the Tree of Life. Separation from God is spiritual death. God also brought physical death but that did not happen instantanously. Jesus came to bring spiritual life, and to taste death for everyone (Heb. 2:9).
---MarkV. on 9/8/10|
MARK I think you called Me DAVID
BACK to subject at hand,
I use annihilated because it was a Enlish definition. I guest YOUR using ABADDOWN the Hebrew which ruin a word use define the word. RUIN - definition - Destroy - down fall, decay - decomposed - disintegrate - deteriorate -to wear away, YOUR pretty much in the same place your gone.Now You say ruin is the unsave state of being ok. I'am all ears ,I'am always - but you have to back your self up with verses.
EZEKIEL 18,20 The soul that sins shall die -
It only takes one sin, and your soul has die or will be dead when your body dies.
THE word here DIE I think in Hebrew is DAMAN mean, silent - destroy
---RICHARD on 9/7/10|
The Battle of Armageddon is the FINAL world war in which the Anti-Christ, and all those that follow him will be FORCED to bow to Jesus Christ and proclaim Him as Lord, and will be ultimatly destroyed in the Lake of Fire (Hell) FOREVER. It is a war of ALL the nations and people groups of the world will fight either for Jesus Christ or for the Anti-Christ (the ultimate good vs. evil), and good (Jesus Christ) and those that follow Him WILL be the victor. This battle will take place in Israel, at the place called Meggido. I have been to Israel and saw this place, and you can tell how a war will take place there, since it is so big.
---Leslie on 9/7/10|
David, you gave Matthew 10:28 not 27, it says,
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"
First part, man cannot kill the soul when he kills man physically. Second, God is able to kill the soul in hell. It does not teach that He does, only that He is able to.
That shows the power that God has. But nowhere does it say that those in hell are annihilated.
Ezek. 18:20, "The soul that sins shall die" Talking about spiritual death. Since they continuessly alive sinning all the time. They don't die physcially for sinning right away, but die spiritually instantly because of sin.
---MarkV. on 9/7/10|
MATTHEW 10:27 AND fear not them which KILL the body,But are not able to kill the soul, but rather fear him which is able to DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL.
( DESTROY IN HEBREW IS MACHAH - which means Wipeout - obliterated - exteminate )
ONCE a person get save they get a new soul everlasting life - on last day they get a new body - The unsave have there bodys thrown for the grave on the ground on the last day - and there soul has die . EZEKIEL 18,20 What form are they going to have if body and soul are obliterated, there gone for good,and this is eternal, all a person got is soul and body.
---RICHARD on 9/5/10|
Richard, You think everlasting destruction in 2 Thess 1:8,9 is annihilation. But in this case it says, everlasting, and something that is everlasting is not annihilation. Paul explained the duration and extent of what is elsewhere in Scripture called "hell." First, it is forever, thus it is not a reversible experience, Second, destruction here means "ruin" and does not involve annihilation, but rather a new state of conscious being which is significantly worse than the first (Rev. 20:14,15) This is described as the absence of God's presence and glory (Matt. 8:12, 22:13, 25:30, Luke 16:24-26). Matt. 25:46 says,
"And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life"
---MarkV. on 9/4/10|
2 THESSALONIANS 1:8 In flaming fire Taking vengence on them that know not GOD,and that obey not the gospel of our LORD JESUS CHRIST,
1,9 Who shall be PUNISHED with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the persence of the LORD,and of from the glory of his power.
( DESTRUCTION - The condition of being destroy -annihilition - The state of being Annihilated - extinction - total destruction)
ECCLESIASTES 9:5 FOR the living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything neither have any more reward,for the memory is forgotten.
---RICHARD on 9/3/10|
"But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,"
In this parable the beggar was the only character in any of Jesus parables ever given a name. Because the person had a name many have speculated that this was no imaginary tale, but an actual incident that really took place. Either way, Christ employs it in the same fashion as all His parables, to teach a lesson. In these case for the benefit of the Pharisees.
---MarkV. on 9/2/10|
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Whether Luke 16:19-31 is a parable or a real account makes no difference, since parables simply illustrate a story that is probable in real life (read all the parables of Jesus Christ).
The whole argument that Luke 16:19-31 is a parable and thus shouldn't be use to prove the afterlife doesn't hold water.
---Ignatius on 9/1/10|
Simon, I was addressing Richard and his belief that Luke 16 is a parable.
When Christ spoke in parables he used very vague descriptions of the people in his parables (master, king, servant, son, father, etc etc) ... not personal names as if they were REAL people.
---JackB on 8/31/10|
JackB, my friend, where did you see me say that haven and hell are not real? They are. I do not know much of JW at all, so perhaps you have a point there. But the point you might be missing in what I've tried to share with you, is rather very simple. Book of Revelation is the spiritual judgment of the churches, both Protestant and Catholic, and not the story to be manifested in physical realm. This Book is of utmost importance, as I've stated before, and thus to be understood properly rather then expect it contents to be physically manifested. God Bless.
---simon on 8/30/10|
Richard, I have no clue what you are talking about. Are you speaking about other subjects? What do they have to do with what I responded to? Are you responding to where I said that Jack B was correct? That there is a hell? I would be more that happy to answer if I knew what your point was. Debating the Word of God is awesome, I do not mind.
---MarkV. on 8/30/10|
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MARK V - I have ponder before on what your saying with ISIAIH 26:14 --- They shall not live - ( To live is you had to be alive) Now I know thinking this way is not popular in some circles.But let's think about this, you have a child that dieds unsave , now according to that theory.GOD is going to put this child in tourment for enternity.Their is no place in the bible I know of that a unsave person that died has conciseness out side of luke 16:23 - and thats a parable
PSALM 37:35 I have seen the wicked in great power ---------
37,36 -Yet he passed away,and lo he was not: yea I sought him,but could not be found
REVELATION 21:4 ----- THE former things are passed away
( passed away - cease - end - die )
---RICHARD on 8/29/10|
Richard, I disagree with you and your interpetations of the verses you gave. Jack B is correct in his answers. There is a hell and many are heading that way already. You gave:
1. Isa. 26:14- These passage is talking about those who rule over Israel. Israel's history was replete with periods of foreign domination by the likes of Egypt and Assyria. These foreign overlords are to be a thing of the past, they are not to appear again on the earthly scene.
2. Gen. 6:7- These is speaking of the people whose heart was only evil continually, God promised to destroy them. This is physical death.
3. Psa. 92:7-Again these people are destroyed forever never to appear in the world scene, physical death. Nothing about the after life or judgment day.
---MarkV. on 8/29/10|
ISAIAH 26:14 THEY ARE DEAD,they shall not live,they are deceased,they shall not rise,therefore hast visited them and destroyed them,and made all their memory to perish.
JACKB - BY people saying that hell is a place were people will be forever torture, THIS is saying there is a contradiction in the BIBLE,And that can not be.NOW alot of people in the churches and the secular world believe this. You have to fine harmony between verses,IF not, you do not have truth,
GENESIS 6:7 AND the LORD said, I will DESTROY Man whom -------------
PSALMS 92:7 WHEN the wicked spring as the grass,and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish,it is that they shall be DESTROYED FOR EVER.
---RICHARD on 8/28/10|
...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: (parable?)
...to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (parable?)
...and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the SMOKE of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, (parable?)
...and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (parable?)
...that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected... whose end is to be burned.
---JackB on 8/28/10|
LUKE 16,19-37 IS a parable - That a earthly story with spiritual meaning : The water in the story is the gospel.And it will not help a person that died.
PSALM 31:17 --- LET the wicked be ashamed,and let them be silent in the grave.
---RICHARD on 8/28/10|
Simon, thinking like that is what causes people like Jehovah's Witness not to take the words "hell" and "fire" literally as well, even though Christ told a story making sure we understand it BURNS and those there will beg for even a single drop of water for comfort.
---JackB on 8/28/10|
SIMON HAS got this one right - Armageddon -and The tripulation period is a spiritual War.
MATTHEW 24:37 But as days the of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the SON of man.
24:38 FOR as the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking,marrying and given in marriage,until THE DAY that that NOE entered into the ark.
( IT's business a usual on planted earth when CHRIST returns.)
---RICHARD on 8/27/10|
"simon...A lot of people think like you do. And so many nore will end up in hell." (catherine)
I asked God one day "Should we take the book of Revelation literally and as a blueprint for the end times?". Do you know what he told me? "Modern Fundamentalists do, but I do not".
---Ignatius on 8/27/10|
Did some died and made you God? You're entitled to your opinion, but "let the judgment be mine" said the Lord, our God.
---simon on 8/27/10|
simon...A lot of people think like you do. And so many nore will end up in hell.
---catherine on 8/26/10|
I'm not sure if it will please or upset you to know that there will not be such a battle in the physical world, period!
Everything in the book of Revelations is the spiritual account of things taken place in the spiritual realm, therefore to take that book LITERALLY is a mistake, thou the book is of colossal importance, if understood properly. Thus, and for example, one should not expect the third of the stars falling, literally, but rather inquire into the spiritual meaning of stars and numeral 3 or 3rd, meaning the same.
---simon on 8/26/10|
---josef is correct-------------
---mima on 8/26/10|
"What and where is the battle of Armageddon."
What? The battle between the armies of the kings of the earth and the King of kings before start of His millennia reign. "Together they will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will defeat them.." Rev. 17:14 (NLT)
Where? in the valley of 'Megiddon' Fig. ("Place of crowds and great slaughter) "Located on the southern rim of the plain of Esdraelon 11 miles from Nazareth"
When? When the LORD returns. "Then I saw the beast gathering the kings of the earth and their armies in order to fight against the one sitting on the horse and his army." Rev.19:19 (NLT)
It will not be much of a battle, they will be slain with a word. Rev.19:21
---josef on 8/25/10|
What is the battle of Armageddon?
According to the Bible it is the fnal and decisive struggle which climaxes the age-long war btween Christ and Satan.
It involves the entire world because the good and bad people are scattered among all natons of the earth. Armageddon represents the all-out effort of Satan to destroy the people who dare to obey God in the face of threatened torture and death. Armageddon is the climax of a 6000 year program by Satan to destroy Gd's peole and keep them from being saved.
---Pierre on 8/25/10|
I guess they will have a lot of debates on this one to. Anyways, Scholars disagree on the exact location of this place, but, the most likely place will be in the valley between Mount Carmel and the city of Jezreel.
---catherine on 8/25/10|