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Government Wants Chip In Hands

If this Government insists on planting a chip in your hand, would you allow it to be done?

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strongax, you continue to speak falsehood because there is no light in you. And what you incorrectly call arrogance, God calls righteous obedience.
---Eloy on 9/4/10


GOD HAS HIS SIGN FOR HIS PEOPLE:
Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them


THE BEAST HAS HIS SIGN FOR HIS PEOPLE:
Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,
Daniel 7:25 And he think to CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS

Satan does not need a CHIP to identify his people. His people are those who are WITHOUT THE SIGN OF GOD!
---francis on 9/3/10


Eloy:

I quote scriptures. Those who read my posts can then interpret them as they will - they don't need my imperfect commentary, because scripture can speak for itself without my help. I don't claim to be perfect. None of us can.

You, however, claim to always speak the truth, and never admit to error - implying perfect and incapable of error. Even the Apostles themselves weren't that arrogant.
---StrongAxe on 9/3/10


strongax, lie is lie, and truth is truth, but truth always prevails over lie. When I speak the truth and rightly call a lie a lie, and one whom speaks a lie a lie speaker, that is truth. Some acknowledge this fact and care not, and many refuse to accept the truth inspite of the clear evidence, which is called denial of the truth, then they go on to accept the delusion. Eventhough flesh is offended by the truth I preach, I will not sugar coat and water down the truth: for that is one problem in many churches today, they have spouted pablum and sweet-talked the people by telling them only sweet things and things the people desire to hear, rather than the medicine of the straight truth that brings realization and causes repentance onto salvation.
---Eloy on 9/3/10


I have shown you the common sin of how you are taking verses out of their context and misapplying them in order to support sin. The condemn condemn themselves: and I care enough to tell you the truth: "I say to you, That every idle word, which if a person will speak, they will yield account of it at Judgment day. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
---Eloy on 9/3/10




Eloy:

You are constantly condemning others for being sinners and unsaved and heretics and liars, and placing yourself in judgment over them - while at the same time calling attention to how holy and righteous and obedient you are.

There was a group of people in Jesus's day who did the same. It wasn't the Apostles. It was the Pharisees.
---StrongAxe on 9/2/10


Eloy:

"Lie" is such a strong (and unjustified) word, especially since everything I quoted was directly from scripture.

OK, if you won't accept generic exhortations, how about specific examples?

Paul publicly rebuked Peter when he ate only with Jewish believers rather than with Gentile ones. (Galatians 2:11-13)

Jesus told Peter "Get thee behind me, Satan" (Matthew 16:23, Mark 8:33, Luke 4:8) when he presumed to tell Jesus what to do.

Would you classify Peter with "insolent and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision, who subvert whole houses: who teach jewish fables, and commandments of men that turn away from the truth for dishonest gains sake."?
---StrongAxe on 9/2/10


aka, The manifested lives of us saints prove Christ dwells in us, and the manifested life of a sinner proves that Christ does not dwell in them. The obedient whom talk-the-talk AND WALK-THE-WALK, as I daily manifest, are forever Christ's, inspite of what any dissing sinner thinks or says.
---Eloy on 9/2/10


strongax, you lie. The o.t. does not rebuke N.T. Christians, and the N.T. verses you cited does not say one thing about a Christian rebuking a Christian. You cited Titus 1:13, which Paul specifically instructs Titus Only to rebuke "Many insolent and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision, who subvert whole houses: who teach jewish fables, and commandments of men that turn away from the truth for dishonest gains sake." Titus 1:1,4,10,11,14. And you cited Reveleation 3:19, which is Jesus Christ Himself speaking to the messenger of the Laodicean church, As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." Revelation 3:14,19.
---Eloy on 9/2/10


Catherine,

Some of you people are in BIG TROUBLE. You had better straightened up and fly right. ---catherine on 9/1/10

Some of you are crediting to Satan what God does, of which there can be of NO FORGIVENESS. And you are in BIG TROUBLE! ---catherine on 9/1/10

What is the sense in straightening up and flying right if there is no forgiveness?

If you study that Scripture... ---catherine on 9/1/10

THAT Scripture? I realize THAT scripture is foreign to you, but it says the only unpardonable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
---aka on 9/2/10




Eloy,

//I could right now easily post the names of each and every poster and truthfully report which ones are truly saved Christians, and which ones are not.// Eloy

I am pretty sure that Jesus said that He will reject many who do many great wonders in His Name. Salvation is an end result of spiritual fruit produced. Just because one claims Jesus does not mean that Jesus will claim them.
---aka on 9/2/10


While reading over the posts in this blog, the responses and attacks on one another compare to group therapy sessions. Perhaps ChristenNet should have a section where folks can just spew out all that is within them about themselves and others, a place where one can also tell another that they deem them not a real Christian, etc. etc. etc. For it gets boring to read these attacks on one another HERE rather than answer the QUESTION posted! And to answer the blog question asked, I pray that if on that day I am approached to accept a chip onto my body, I pray that I will be strong enough not to accept it.
---Lin on 9/2/10


You are wrong. If you study that Scripture, you would see that I am correct. And I stand by what I say. Some of you people are in BIG TROUBLE. You had better straightened up and fly right.
---catherine on 9/1/10


It is not Christian to insult a Christian. Those of us who are truly saints from Christ also know full well those that are not from Christ ...
---Eloy on 9/1/10

Such a very interesting post, Eloy. In a few simple words you have deemed yourself better than anyone here. How many times have you come back and insulted someone who has insulted you? How many times have you cast the first stone? Can you be honest with yourself and with the rest of us "heathens"?
---NurseRobert on 9/1/10


catherine:

You said: Some of you are crediting to Satan what God does, of which there can be of NO FORGIVENESS. And you are in BIG TROUBLE!

Sometimes yes, sometimes no: (see Luke 12:10, blasphemy against the Son shall be forgiven).

Also, one must examine the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23, Ephesians 5:9), if they involve cynicism and arrogance rather than gentleness and meekness, one must question just what kind of Spirit is involved:



Eloy:

You said: It is not Christian to insult a Christian. I agree. However, it is proper to (civilly) rebuke a Christian who is behaving in a non-Christian manner. (Leviticus 19:17, Proverbs 27:5, Titus 1:13, Reveleation 3:19, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 9/1/10


You don't think it's the USA, do you?
Cluny on 9/1/10

NO.
There are three division in the world:
First world Those influenced by USA
Second world Those influenced by Russia
Third world Those who are neutral

But all nations are incluenced by Rome. IF they were not once conquered by Rom, the are influenced by Rome ( namely the RCC)
---francis on 9/1/10


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One could look at the United Kingdom - in Queen Victoria's day, they used to say "The sun never sets on the British Empire", because the U.K. had colonies all over the world. This is no longer true.
---StrongAxe on 9/1/10


"Some of you are crediting to Satan what God does, of which there can be of NO FORGIVENESS. And you are in BIG TROUBLE!" (catherine)

That is our point. We are not in "big trouble" because based upon your past posts, the identity that is talking to you and which you had a physical and sexual encounter with is NOT God!

Your demon told you about sinning one day "Not that I am aware of" (8/28/10 in the Testimony blog). Scriptures states, however, that if we say we have not sinned then the Truth is NOT in us (1 John 1:10).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/1/10


Some of you are crediting to Satan what God does, of which there can be of NO FORGIVENESS. And you are in BIG TROUBLE!
---catherine on 9/1/10


\\Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Russia did not " devour" the whole earth.
Only One of these kingdoms has influenced the whole earth and Russia is not one of them.\\

You don't think it's the USA, do you?
---Cluny on 9/1/10


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strongax, When a person insults Catherine, she speaks back to the insulter in the same derogatory manner. It is not Christian to insult a Christian. Those of us who are truly saints from Christ also know full well those that are not from Christ, for the antiChristian is in direct oppostion to the Christian. I could right now easily post the names of each and every poster and truthfully report which ones are truly saved Christians, and which ones are not. I preach to the lost and tell them that they need to get saved, yet many of them in their antiChrist flesh have not hearkened to me, for their words are still manifested to be without Christ. Praise Jesus, lift him up rather than tear down his body.
---Eloy on 9/1/10


Cluny, your words are not godly, for you accuse that Catherine has familiar spirits and is deluded by demons, provide the evidence for your accusations.
---Eloy on 9/1/10


"You stupid people you do not know more than I do. " (Catherine)

Well, you have a familiar/divining spirit who could do your bidding. You dropped out of Bible college based upon the advice of your demon. That is too bad. You would have learn something. In another blog, you related a story in which in your demon, during a sexual moment, told you that you haven't sin one day. If you would have known Scriptures, you would have rebuked that demon (1 John 1:8-10) during your "loving moment/snuggling".

"Well, I am sorry, but, God did promise to make me highly-intelligent. "

Based upon your past posts, God is either a liar or your demon is.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/1/10


Eloy:

Catherine said:
1) In Who is the Earth Beast?, on 8/28/10: I don't need no Scripture
2) In How Will God Judge People, on 8/29/10: Are these people trying to bring me down? Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha. WHAT FOOLS!
3) Here, on 8/30/10: You stupid people you do not know more than I do
4) Here, on 8/31/10: Well, I am sorry, but, God did promise to make me highly-intelligent

(2+3) despite the prohibition from doing so in Matthew 5:22.
(4) despite 1 Corinthians 13:2

Several of us here are concerned that, despite her honest zeal, she is walking down the path to spiritual delusion (1) and self-righteous pride (2-4), two very dangerous things.
---StrongAxe on 9/1/10


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Cluny yes I did see your " russia has...
comment. I could not post the whole passage it is more than 125 word, so here is a little more:

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Russia did not " devour" the whole earth.
Only One of these kingdoms has influenced the whole earth and Russia is not one of them.
---Francis on 9/1/10


\\Karen, perhaps the Bible college she was attending was basic and not meeting Catherine's needs, and the church she was attending may be stuck in non-growth mode also and not ministering to the parishoners as commanded.\\

It is clear from catherine's own posts that she is deluded by demons.

\\ So let Christine read her Holy Bible and continue to learn from the Lord.\\

She's said twice now that she doesn't need it.
---Cluny on 8/31/10


Hungry or not hungry, I dare this government to just try it, implanting a chip in my hand. I go where I please too, well, where God pleases me to go. I belong to God, now. And God alone I shall obey. GOT IT?
---catherine on 8/31/10


No, noone needs to have a chip put in their hand, unless their hungry...I jest.
---Eloy on 8/31/10


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Karen, perhaps the Bible college she was attending was basic and not meeting Catherine's needs, and the church she was attending may be stuck in non-growth mode also and not ministering to the parishoners as commanded. Most of us know of churches that have had their candelstick removed by God, and have grown cold, and even become synagogues of satan preaaching antiBible and antiChristian doctrines. There are many schools and churches that have fallen from grace, for whatever reason, greed for money, instructors whom are unsaved, etc. So let Christine read her Holy Bible and continue to learn from the Lord. She knows what her life was without Jesus, and now what it is with Jesus, so offer her your words of encouragement and prayers.
---Eloy on 8/31/10


\\Well, I am sorry, but, God did promise to make me highly-intelligent\\

Well, your god clearly hasn't come through on his promise yet.

But the Devil is a liar.
---Cluny on 8/31/10


Well, I am sorry, but, God did promise to make me highly-intelligent. What are you gonna do? How are you doing Cluny?
---catherine on 8/31/10


\\You stupid people you do not know more than I do. \\

Well, you claim you know more than we do.

Is there any intrinsic difference?
---Cluny on 8/31/10


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You stupid people you do not know more than I do. You don't know more than God. I follow my Savior let it be in a prison, in a palace, or on a ship.
---catherine on 8/30/10


\\ She dropped out of Bible College and stopped attending church because "God" told her that she knew more than those institutions.
---KarenD on 8/30/10\\

I'd be curious to hear the Bible college's side of the story!
---Cluny on 8/30/10


Eloy....You obviously haven't been posting gon here long enough to realize all the things that Catherine thinks God has told her to do. She dropped out of Bible College and stopped attending church because "God" told her that she knew more than those institutions.
---KarenD on 8/30/10


"
Well, cuny don't know what's up or what's down. Heaven is up. Hell is down. Now, you know, something. cuny." (Catherine)

Yes, and the spirits you talk to at night are not from Heaven. These familiar spirits that you literally talk to is not God, and Jesus told me so. These spirits told you NOT to go to any church, but stay home. That is the DEVIL talking to you!

Please Catherine, for your soul's sake, seek a Orthodox parish to get deliver from those familiar spirits before it is too late. You don't want to end up like Emily Rose, do you?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/29/10


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Little children, stop making up debris to throw on Catherine, she knows that Jesus is her Savior, she reads the New Testament of the Holy Bible and she is following Jesus. But as for all of you dissers whom think you are hearing Jesus' voice to minister to Catherine, you are greatly deceived, for you must first embrace Christ before you can rightly share Christ with others. I support Catherine in her exhortations for people to repent from their sins and instead to follow Christ. And your familiar spirits do not encourage people to obey the gospel, but Christ's Spirit does.
---Eloy on 8/29/10


Well, cuny don't know what's up or what's down. Heaven is up. Hell is down. Now, you know, something. cuny.
---catherine on 8/28/10


catherine...Cluny is right. You're not listening to the right voice.
---KarenD on 8/28/10


\\That's not funny!
---catherine on 8/28/10\\

You're right, catherine.

Converse with demons and familiar spirits is NEVER funny.

You're playing bingo with your soul, and Jesus told me to tell you that.
---Cluny on 8/28/10


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" That's not funny!
---catherine"

The Truth is never funny. I am praying for you Catherine. Those demonic forces needs to go in Jesus name.

In Orthodoxy (the service is found in the Book of Needs), there is a service for deliverance from unclean spirits, there are also other individual prayers for this along with a prayer for an 'unclean' dwelling. Do you have a Orthodox parish in your area?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/28/10


That's not funny!
---catherine on 8/28/10


"Catherine is following after ghosts! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha." (Catherine)

Keep laughing! When a Orthodox priest needs to come to your house to perform a exorcism, you won't be laughing!

God told me to tell you that you need to STOP talking to familiar spirits. He has informed me that he has never talked to you. Whoever you talk to at night is not God Catherine!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/28/10


Catherine asked : "IF this Government insists on planting a chip in your hand, would you allow it to be done?" There she is not suggesting that the Government has planned it.
But then she said "They are already doing it in cars. Also, in Briton, I think it is"
What's wrong eith chips in cars? Seemsa jollly good idea to me.
I don't know ehre catherine has the idea that in Britain we are having chips in our hands. Even if we did, how would this be the mark of the Beast which is 666?
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/28/10


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\\Catherine is following after ghosts! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha.
---catherine on 8/28/10\\

At least you admit it finally, catherine.

You have given no evidence that any of them are holy, either.

That's the first step towards your deliverance and salvation.
---Cluny on 8/28/10


Catherine is following after ghosts! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha.
---catherine on 8/28/10


Eloy, you're dissing again.

catherine and you are both under the influence of religious spirits pretending to be God.
---Cluny on 8/28/10


Cluny, you misjudge and impose that Catherine is following a ghost, but instead she is following Christ and the New Testament scriptures. She speaks rightly when she exhorts, "Wake up and get right with God, else you be condemned."
---Eloy on 8/28/10


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KarenD 8/26 and AKA 8/27/10, I concur completely.
Rather than looking for, and trying to avoid "a chip", one should search within to discern where ones love, thoughts, allegiances, loyalties, and focus resides, as well as what motivates ones actions. These will determine whether or not one will 'accept' the mark. The mark will not be forced upon anyone. A sensually based mentality, focused on the externals, will joyously receive it, and act accordingly.
---joseph on 8/28/10


\\When a nobody like myself is in heaven, and you are not. Funny, yes!
---catherine on 8/27/10\\

Do you actually think you're going to be in heaven if you keep on following a familiar spirit instead of God, catherine?
---Cluny on 8/27/10


\\Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS:
---francis on 8/27/10\\

Russian Old Believers/Old Ritualilsts and secatarians believe this applied to Peter the Great and Patriarch Nikon in the 16-17th centuries.

Patriarch Nikon issued a reform of the Russian Orthodox service books and Peter the Great began dating not from the Creation of the world, as Russian Christians had traditionally used, but the now usual BC/AD chronology.

Did you know that, francis?
---Cluny on 8/27/10


You had better study about 666 in Revelation. You are gonna look mighty funny "the Great Judgment day", my friend. When a nobody like myself is in heaven, and you are not. Funny, yes!
---catherine on 8/27/10


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Where do you get this nonsense Catherine?
---atheist on 8/27/10


there is a difference between an implanted chip & the mark of the beast. the mark of the beast is the number of a man. the chip is another technology to make money by big corporations.
---bill on 8/27/10


YES I would
God has always known his people by a spiritual sign.
A chip cannot duplicate the sign of God or the mark of the beast

SIGN OF GOD: Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

MARK OF BEAST:
Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS:
---francis on 8/27/10


\\Christians will never have to make this decision. The reason being the "rapture" will take place before we are forced to make this decision\\

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture. Those who are expecting it will be among the first to be deceived by the Antichrist.

**YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE. My God is going to do something great soon. You'll see.
---catherine on 8/27/10**

What you call "god" doesn't even have power over pigs, catherine.
---Cluny on 8/27/10


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Christians will never have to make this decision. The reason being the "rapture" will take place before we are forced to make this decision.
---mima on 8/27/10


This is a big IF........

Why do we bother talking about things that are not happening now.......

Sounds like some people are just too worried, and that is not good for Christians
---peter on 8/27/10


YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE. My God is going to do something great soon. You'll see.
---catherine on 8/27/10


\\God has already instructed me on what to do!\\

Not the REAL God.
---Cluny on 8/26/10


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Only if it is "Kettle Brand" chips...I jest.
---Eloy on 8/27/10


This is good!

I totally agree w/ you! Also, EXCELLENT question! If I may, very humbly add, it's not just freedom in America, and how would one defined it, it's freedom period! B/c, quite frankly, if you're not in Christ, you're bound anyway, though you may not know it.
I said that to say this, if you're searching for "freedom" in this wonderful country God has blessed us to live in, you will be searching, researching, and constantly adjusting to the constant changes of what freedom is in America.
However, "Whom the Son sets free is free indeed..." Regardless of where you are or what country you live in.
Other than this, as far as freedom in America, the only place may indeed be found in your head....
---Tamara on 8/27/10


i agree with karenD. the mark is a symbol of allegiance. the forehead shows agreement in thought and the hand shows the work that we do for the beast. the right hand is symbolic of giving honor.

a microchip can be removed as it can be implanted. the works that you do and give honor to and the thought patterns that drive you are your mark.
---aka on 8/27/10


Well, I just do not think that this constitutes paranoia. But, I shall tell you what does....At the airports, if you dare say the B WORD, everybody runs and the airports are shut down, and perhaps everyone must fall to the ground and don't move until we deem you fit to get up and continue on with your journey. Now, that's paranoia. There is a Scripture where God says, "Wicked men run when no one is chasing them". When even good men are under scrutiny, meaning God's people. Now, that's paranoia, serious, too.
---catherine on 8/26/10


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Well, this chip thing can not be any good, cause, God has already instructed me on what to do! And here it is. He said for me "NOT TO ALLOW IT". I will obey God. Thank you, Mr. Government....I am willing to die first.
---catherine on 8/26/10


\\Well, they are talking about this [ news 700 club] the media.\\

Consider the source. I've learned to ignore ANYTHING from the 700 Club or Pat Robertson.

Were he to come to my door saying, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son...." I'd disbelieve him had I not already read it for myself.
---Cluny on 8/26/10


Paranoia setting in again. What people fail to take into account is the actual deception tactics that the Anti-christ will be able to use. A chip that we all have heard about will be too much of a known thing. Also, putting a chip on a person does not make them belong to the anti-christ. Swearing allegiance to the anti-christ will do that. The government has no way of knowing where each one of us is at any given time. If it were so, Jaycee would have been found years ago.
---KarenD on 8/26/10


When this thing really take a hold, it will be the beginning of those numbers 666. That Bible warns us of.
---catherine on 8/26/10


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The truth is, Americans have, for many years, given up any notion of privacy or individual freedom. Almost every detail of every individual is known, or monitored or can be known in a short time.

Your bank account, how far you traveled today, what kind of car you drive and how you paid or are paying for it, who your friends are, where you are right now, who you spoke to last night or the items of clothing or food you purchase last week. All of that and anything else you may consider private is already known or can be known in a few minutes.

The question might be: what is the meaning of freedom today in America?
---Janze on 8/26/10


Well, I'd prefer that this NOT be done. However, the Government already tracks people by their Social Security Number. It is on things from: tax records, medical records, motor vehicle registrations, etc.

Also, this wouldn't be much different than all the "giving numbers" that are used by countless churches, ministries, non-profit organizations, etc.

To me, a chip in my hand would just be ANOTHER way of tracking people. The difference is that this new way would be Electronic, instead of Manual.
---Sag on 8/26/10


What is the chip going to be used for? To buy and sell food? or to track us everywhere we go? We have a GPS tracker for that..lol.

Is it the mark of the beast? What is it going to be used for?

I will not take any chip whatsoever. I'll die first! In Jesus name I mean that.
---anon on 8/26/10


Give the evidence that this is actually being contemplated, catherine, and it's not just one of your paranoid dream sequences.
---Cluny on 8/26/10


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NO.

That is either in the hand or forehead.
If it's the mark of the beast & you do, you Are a Rejected from God. Why because it Is satans mark then you Are even more belonging to him, satan.

---Lawrence on 8/26/10


Well, they are talking about this [ news 700 club] the media. So, I ask God about this, when I turned off the TV. Understand, They are already doing it in cars. Also, in Briton, I think it is. So I asked God what am I suppose to do, if they want to put a chip in my hand? He said "don't allow it". He said, "There is not much that you can do about the cars. Now, understand this. I pretty much knew the answer, before I asked God. But, I need His strength, to do what I must do, what is right, and I get this from God, by praying. Note: If you know anything, you know a lot of this stuff is Bible prophecy. Ah Jesus Ah.
---catherine on 8/26/10


No. This gives up our freedom. Besides I already have 1 tracker & that is God. I do not need another one.
---candice on 8/26/10


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