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Jack, I'll tell you how he can see, if God gives him eyes to see and ears to hear and a new heart that can perceive. That cannot come about by his own efforts. It has to be a supernatural act of God. You just don't see that or perceive that. I cannot teach him something false like you teach, if I did, he would believe he is saved when he is not, like many do. It has to be the true gospel. Not one base centered around man, but one centered around God.
My answer to Alan was concerning what he ask me to answer. The second part of my post was not posted. God does not make anyone sin, they sin because they want to sin. It is their nature to sin. Does God make you sin? If you say He doesn't, then you are responsible for your sins.
---MarkV. on 9/12/10


"No Ignatius, one doesn't need tradition to cannonize Scripture" (Mark V)

It does. I explained that to you in another blog.

"While you are still hung up on the works of man, you forget to give the glory to God. "

No, I give the glory to God that he used the Fathers to canonized the OT and NT. But you forget to mention that appealing to the Fathers for ANYTHING is extra biblical Tradition!

"The reason you have so many saints all over your churches to honor what they have done, not what God did through them"

We honor them BECAUSE they were used by God and are examples of living a pure life for the glory of God. Take Saint Mary of Egypt for instance.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/12/10


Mark V

#2. You forgot to mention that Jesus quoted from a extra biblical source or a unknown Scripture (John 7:38), followed Jewish Oral Holy Tradition (Oral Torah)((John 10:22-23, Moses Seat, Abraham's Bosom), Saint Paul quoted Holy Tradition (Acts 20:35), relied on Jewish Oral Holy Tradition (as God's word) (2 Tim 2:8, Gal 3:19) and Saint Jude quoted extra biblical books (that were consider Scriptures by many)(Jude 1:9, 13) and that Saint Paul told the Early Christians to follow what he taught, written and not written (2 Thes 2:15).

Why? Does it not fit with your extra biblical, anti-biblical, tradition of Sola Scriptura?

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 9/13/10


"Tradition removed the Second Commandment. " (Mark V)

Holy Tradition never did. Now, that Holy Tradition disagree with your man-made interpretation of the text is a different story.

I find it amusing that you still equate the Second Commandment (which was against Idols, not images in general) with Holy Icons found in the liturgical service of the Old Testament Judaism, and the Early Church. Many Protestants don't mind them either by the way.

It seems that you are still confuse on WHAT exactly God forbade. Mark V, you hold to many extra biblical and anti-Biblical traditions. Yet, you want to condemn the RCC or the Eastern Orthodox for not believing in Sola Scriptura. How hypocritical!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/13/10


Jack, Don't you understand every descendant of Adam is heading to hell? No one is leading anyone there. They all need Christ. I preach the gospel Truth to my son because I love him, for I know what I want, and that is for him to be saved. But I cannot make him think, believe, feel, what I feel. I pray that God will save him if it's God's will. I know whatever decision God makes on his life, is right and just. For God is never wrong on anything. When God wants to save someone, He never fails. He will find a way to bring him to Christ. In fact my son is seeking Him now, which tells me that God has already come into his life, for no one lost seeks after God. It might take him five years, or even longer, but he will confess Christ as his Savior.
---MarkV. on 9/13/10




//I have a son just like you. He ask me questions about God and I answer him and he gets all push out of shape, whin's and complains and soon he will not talk to me for a while//-MarkV

If youve taught him what you believe on election, Mark, then how else is he to see his unbelief now other than proof that God never wanted to save him in the first place? Maybe he feels he wasnt one of those "individuals elected to salvation".

Now your sons soul is in jeopardy. Will you cling to what youve been taught by the Calvinist church, believe him not "chosen" and throw away ALL hope for him? What is your heart telling you? Remember, love hopes in all things.

Your son is in my prayers. My heart goes out to you.
---JackB on 9/12/10


No Ignatius, one doesn't need tradition to cannonize Scripture, it needed the Holy Spirit to cannonize Scripture. God gave us Scripture, God's Word is Truth, not because man made it truth. While you are still hung up on the works of man, you forget to give the glory to God. That is nothing new since the RCC believes in the same man's traditions. The reason you have so many saints all over your churches to honor what they have done, not what God did through them. While in one church I went to, Jesus was in a glass coffin, displaying Him dead. Man's traditions put Him there, while the saints are alive an well answering prayers. Tradition removed the Second Commandment.
---MarkV. on 9/12/10


Kathr,

An Apostle can also be simply a messenger and ambassador (Greek "apostello": "to send forth", "to dispatch"), those in John 10:1 or those mention in Romans 16:7. It can also mean other Christians who had a very special authority [other than "The Twelve"] to passed along the "Apostolic Faith", such Saint Paul (Gal 1:1, 2:7-8, 1 Cor 15:9) and Saint Barnabas (Acts 14:4, 14).

The Twelve Apostles was a UNIQUE office. In Acts 1:16-24, we read that Saint Matthias succeeded Judas, by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. After this, the Apostles are no longer called, "the eleven" (Luke 24:9, 33), but "the twelve" (see Acts 2:14, 6:2, Rev 21:14).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/12/10


#2

Rome separated from the Eastern Churches in the Great Schism. The Non-Chalcedonian churches, among others, entered in EASTERN Schisms, not Roman schisms. The Armenian Apostolic Church is one of the ancient christian communities!

The Churches of Jerusalem (founded by Saint James) and Antioch (founded by Saints Peter/Paul), two current Eastern Orthodox churches, can be found in the Book of Acts. Other churches were started by the Holy Apostles, and constituted "the Orthodox Church" or "the Catholic Church" (not referring to the RCC) before any official Schism happened.

Read The History of the Christian Church Until the Great Schism of 1054 by Mikhail Emmanuelovich Posnov.

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 9/12/10


"THEREFORE the only documentation I WILL BELIEVE are SCRIPTURE"

Despite the fact that Jesus Christ, the Holy Apostles, and the Early Christians never believed in the man made doctrine of Sola Scriptura (they were against it), of course.

"There are many Gnostic writings and such but were never included in scripture....God's word is complete."

And who told you which books to accept as "Scripture" and which were "Gnostic" or "non Scriptura" if not for the Early Fathers, guided by the Holy Spirit, whom you condemn?

Scriptures can not be complete (cf. John 21:25), because one needs Holy Tradition when it comes to the canonization of the OT and NT!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/12/10




Ignatus,The Eastern Orthodox broke off from the RCC,and was never around in the 1st century. The first Century Churches established are those the Apostles established along with others like Barnabas.THEREFORE the only documentation I WILL BELIEVE are SCRIPTURE written in the 1st Century. There are many Gnostic writings and such but were never included in scripture. Sorry, not interested in those! God's word is complete. NO WHERE in scripture does Paul, Peter, John James Jude, etc TEACH anything about having the power and authority of turning bread into Jesus Body.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/10


Kathr,

Matt. 26:26, Mark. 14:22, Luke 22:19-20, John 6:51-66 (The Eucharistic sermon) and 1 Cor. 10:16, 11:24 all reject a pure memorial/"symbolical" understanding of the Holy Eucharist.

Besides this, I have witness from the Apostolic Fathers, the Pre-Nicene and Post Nicene Fathers, the 1st and 7th Holy Ecumenical Synods, the Ancient Liturgies, Ancient Liturgical texts of the 1st-8th centuries, as well as the testimony of all the Ancient Churches in the East, that the Divine Eucharist was INDEED treated as the Body and Blood of Christ since the 1st century!

FYI, you committed the sin. For who believe in the extra biblical, anti-biblical doctrine of Sola Scriptura but you and other Protestants?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/11/10


MarkV You don't know the answer, do you?

JackB ... JOin the Club!

Bruce.. Yes it is the "High" end of the CofE that believes in transubstantion.
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/11/10


Alan,
Re Trans.... Would that be what is refered to the "High Church of England" believes?
---Bruce5656 on 9/11/10


Alan, my friend whom I cannot discuss Scripture with, every time you call me out to answer something, you complain, and turn the subject to you. How can anyone answer you? I do not want to hurt your feelings. I want to be your friend and brother. I have a son just like you. He ask me questions about God and I answer him and he gets all push out of shape, whin's and complains and soon he will not talk to me for a while. So I have to stopped talking to him about Scripture. He doesn't like to be told he is going to hell if he does not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. He says he is good, and why will God send him to hell. He says he sins but not like many others. I ask him if God made him sin, and he says no. So he is responsible for his sins.
---MarkV. on 9/11/10


In the year 1215A.D. Pope Innocent III decreed the doctrine of transubstantiation. This is the Roman doctrine that states the priest has the ability to perform the miracle of changing the wafer into the body of Jesus Christ for all Catholics to receive as communion. Five years later in 1220A.D. Pope Honorius sanctioned the adoration and or worship of the wafer as doctrine, declaring that it has the power to change normal bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, the Creator of all that is seen and unseen. They truly believe the host (Eucharist) is in fact the TRUE body and blood of Jesus Christ Himself, and is in fact worthy of worship and adoration. Since they think this, do they believe they are above the Creator?
---kathr4453 on 9/11/10


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SATAN'S main job is to get you to go back where you came from. You don't belong here. To give-up, to quit. I do believe Satan wants to make cowards out of God's people....Thank God Jesus and His Blood is in me. A lot of fools floating around---mocking, jesting, snickering, at the Blood.....I must tell you the truth, that you don't reach a higher level of fool-hood. Hallelujah and I thank You Jesus+ Hope everyone has a great weekend, as unto the Lord, or the weekend will count for nothing. Don't live to make the devil happy, please. Live to make God happy, please. Ah Jesus.
---catherine on 9/11/10


Ignatius, please show scripture where any of the original Apostles taught in scripture that bread turns into Jesus flesh. I believe you are committing the sin here of presumptuousness...assuming something not in Scripture.

Your Church nor you are the direct discendents of the original apostles. Yet didn't you claim somewhere you were. THAT is what I was referring to. No Paul was not the Original 12. However according to Revelation 20-22, there are ONLY 12 Apostles. Paul said he was an apostle, and I believe one of the only 12 GOD CHOSE, after Judas, not who Peter and others voted on. in Acts 1.

Men don't VOTE on who is an Apostle...GOD chooses. Paul was struck down BY GOD and called to be an APOSTLE!!!
---kathr44453 on 9/11/10


When a person leaves a false religion and starts their own church worshipping the true God, that does in no way mean that their church is a branch off from the false religion that they left. When Abraham left his polytheistic parents to go serve the one true God that does not mean that Abraham's faith is a branch off from his parents faith, for they are as complete opposite as night and day or right and wrong. Thus an ex-idolater or ex-catholic that is now a Christian is no branch off from their EX, none, for the EX is just that completely EXed: as the EXodus were the Israelites EXing Egypt and are in no way a branch off of Egyptian idolatry, and an EXwife is X'd for a reason and is no branch off nor any of the Ex'ed branch remaining.
---Eloy on 9/11/10


"Cluny, all those you listed are an off shoot of the RCC. MAYBE YOU didn't know that!" (Kathr)

No. Apostolic churches such as the Syriac Apostolic Church or the Assyrian Church of the East were never part of Rome or the Roman empire for that matter, yet they fully believe in the Biblical and Ancient Apostolic Tradition of the Divine Eucharist being the Body and Blood of Christ.

"Paul, the original APOSTLE along with 11 others NEVER taught such things!"

Saint Paul was NEVER part of the original Twelve. Do you know the names of the riginal Twelve Holy Apostles and the one who succeeded Judas?

Nevertheless, they all taught it. Thou know not Scriptures nor the power of God.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/10/10


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Bruce ... The official Anglican beleif is in Consubstantiation.

But there are those Anglicans who hold most RCC doctrine, including Trans .... They also do the Mary thing.
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/10/10


Cluny,
As well, it's held by some Protestants, especially Lutherans and Anglicans.

Given the depth of your other answers, I can only assume you know the difference between Consubstantiation and Transubstantation? Isn't the Anglican belief Consubstantiation?
---Bruce5656 on 9/10/10


So this is another thing you "know" that's inaccurate.
---Cluny on 9/10/10
Cluny, all those you listed are an off shoot of the RCC. MAYBE YOU didn't know that!

Paul, the original APOSTLE along with 11 others NEVER taught such things!
---kathr4453 on 9/10/10


Pride is a major problem in the chuch body whole, and there is a lot of it evident in this convo/blog.
---Davepope on 9/10/10


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//Calvin DID NOT CHANGE with his supposed salvation. ONE fact. Salvation brings CHANGE...and it's not TO MURDER!!! It's actually to be murdered, by telling the truth. HE was the opposite of what scripture teaches about true saints! WAKE UP!!// - Kathr


I big amen to that!
---JackB on 9/10/10


Satan is an angel that God saw wickness in. God threw him from his presence never to be restored. Our attitude toward Satan should be the same as God. Throw him from your life and cleave to God.
---deborah on 9/10/10


Mark ...It is a few years now that I have been asking you to explain how if a person behaves as created, he can be justly punished by his creator for behaving in that way.

You always avoided answering that, falling back on your usual accusation that I am denying God's Sovereignty.

Now you are doing the same to JackB.

Why will you not have the courage to face that question?

On another side issue here, Cluny, not all Anglicans beleive that the bread becomes the actual body of Christ
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/10/10


\\When the RCC teach believe a wafer becomes Jesus actual flesh, we KNOW this is RCC doctrine.\\

Actually, kath4453, this is NOT Roman Catholic doctrine.

That the bread of the Eucharist becomes the body (not merely flesh) of Christ is held by ALL the pre-Reformation Apostolic Churches of the East (Orthodox, Non-Chalcedonian, and Assyrian).

As well, it's held by some Protestants, especially Lutherans and Anglicans.

So this is another thing you "know" that's inaccurate.
---Cluny on 9/10/10


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When the RCC teach believe a wafer becomes Jesus actual flesh, we KNOW this is RCC doctrine.

Those who teach sabbath keeping, we all know most probably is SDA doctrine.

THEREFORE, when one goes on and on about the ELECT, no free will, etc, we know it is calvin doctrine.

We have the Benny Hinnites, they are obvious, The Mormons are easily spotted, as well as the JW's.

Don't YOU start pointing out Ellen White's false teaching and lifestyle?

Why the double standard?

Calvin DID NOT CHANGE with his supposed salvation. ONE fact. Salvation brings CHANGE...and it's not TO MURDER!!! It's actually to be murdered, by telling the truth. HE was the opposite of what scripture teaches about true saints! WAKE UP!!
---kathr4453 on 9/10/10


//Jack, 2: Not knowing God...does not mean I am saying you are not saved// -MarkV

How do you NOT know someone that lives WITHIN you?

//If you use your own corrupt understandings you will believe no one has the Spirit but you//

I believe there are people from ALL denominations that have the Spirit. I have never claimed such things. I just dont agree with YOUR doctrine on predestination to hell. Idk how ANY child of God being filled with his LOVE could believe He is capable of such a horrible act.

//the more you answer the more you sound like Kathr. Maybe Bob was right//

If you listened to the Holy Spirit that lives within you as much as you claimed, you would know this is a lie.
---JackB on 9/10/10


//and give your own meaning to the ones you do put down// - MarkV

Tell me in what other way these verses can be interpreted

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death

Do not err, my beloved brethren


How can you claim it was part of Gods plan (I have it on record) for man to fall into sin when it says right in his word that He does NOT tempt us?
---JackB on 9/10/10


"Calvin forced the citizens of Geneva to attend church services under a heavy threat of punishment. Since Calvinism falsely teaches that God forces the elect to believe, it is no wonder that Calvin thought he could also force the citizens of Geneva to all become the elect. Not becoming one of the elect was punishable by death or expulsion from Geneva. Calvin exercised forced regeneration on the citizens of Geneva, because that is what his theology teaches." www dot biblelife dot org
---aka on 9/10/10


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Jack, the more you answer the more you sound like Kathr. Maybe Bob was right. It seems that when you cannot answer the passages of Scripture correctly and give your own meaning to the ones you do put down, and I correct your meaning by giving you the context, you go haywire on me. And Kathr did the same thing and still does when she too loses it. Another thing Jack, you cannot see the heart of another. If you use your own corrupt understandings you will believe no one has the Spirit but you. I say it again, you do not know the God of Scripture, and the reason I know is that when you give passages and meaning to those passages you compromise the deity of God. If you knew God first, you would never allow youself to do that. It's pretty simple.
---MarkV. on 9/10/10


Jack, 2: Not knowing God, His nature, character and attributes does not mean I am saying you are not saved. Many whom God has saved never make the attempt to learn all there is to know about God first. You have to have the right purpose to begin with. But when you run out of things to answer with, you abandon the topic, and turn to personal attacks, and here you went to Calvin. What kind of person he was. Even to what kind of person I am. I never mentioned Calvin or his life to you. The topic is Scripture. If you want to give your opinions of Calvin create a new blog. Again I leave you with peace.
---MarkV. on 9/10/10


//Jack, now you are resorting to attacking tactics//- MarkV

Where exactly did I attack you, Mark?

By saying that Calvin was a murderer?
You never did research him did you, Mark?

Ignoring the way a man lives his Christian life and following his teachings because they appeal to you is no different than what the Mormons are guilty of. You gotta look at the lives of people whom you follow the teachings of. The way they live shows the spirit they have inside of them.

If a member of the Klan gave me insight on certain scripture, would I be WISE to believe him simply because his doctrine tickled my ears, or a FOOL for not looking at the condition of his heart first?
---JackB on 9/10/10


Mark, it is you who quite frequently puts down other brothers and sisters in CHrist simply because they dont see things the way you do.

You make comments about them not knowing the God of the scripture, and not reading the Bible, not being learned of the Spirit, etc, etc. You have a very condescending attitude and it speaks very clearly thru your choice of words to other people here.

Dont ever think you have nothing else to learn. Thats how men become fools. I have learned many a thing here from people that I frequently dont agree with on a variety of topics.

Noone has it all figured out. The people that think they do are usually the ones with the most heretical views of God.
---JackB on 9/10/10


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Jack, now you are resorting to attacking tactics, almost the same as those that Kathr uses when she cannot answer with the word of God she answers with her mouth and once words come out they can never be taken back, and since what you are saying now have nothing whatsoever to do with the Word of God. I believe you have reached the limit and cannot hold any kind of discussion concerning Scripture anymore. So I leave you peace.
---MarkV. on 9/9/10


catherine, Satan LOST his power over death when Christ died and rose again. When adam & Eve sinned they died. Hebrews tells us

Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil,

So when you come to Christ you are given ETERNAL LIFE and death has no more power over you. Why, because Christ in you is eternal and cannot die.

However Satan still roams around seeking whom he may devour, and we must wear the FULL Armour of God to fight him. He is prince and power of this world still until Christ 2nd Coming.

Stay out of this world and his ways!
---kathr4453 on 9/9/10


Romans 4,The ONLY WORKS in opposition to salvation by faith is works of the Law. The LAW cannot save. Christ saves. Christ's death, shed blood and risen life are the ONLY means of which SIN is forever forgiven according to 1st Corinthians 15. If Christ had not risen from the dead we would still be in our sin. We're saved by HIS RISEN LIFE...so how can anyone who places their faith in Christ's finished work be accused of saving themselves?

WORKS thumbs their nose at the BLOOD of Christ.

Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace,

Hebrews 10:4
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/10


//So before you count anyone of those save you better get yourself a different Bible to help you.// - MarkV

Id rather have one without the footnotes so I can hear what the Spirit is teaching me rather than a murderer.

By their fruits ye shall know them.
---JackB on 9/9/10


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//And even if it did, which it doesn't, does not indicate they were saved.//- MarkV

Stick to your doctrine, Mark. Stop flip-flopping around. Youre starting to remind me of a Liberal Democrat.

According to scripture the only way these people...

"the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error"

...could have escaped their sinful ways is by what? If they are "totally depraved" then the ONLY way one can come OUT of that depravity is how, Mark?

Go ahead...say it...

(or will you ignore it)
---JackB on 9/9/10


Jack, first, get yourself a good Bible. My KJV or even the NIV that I don't even use, neither one has the word clean in 2 Peter 2:18. And even if it did, which it doesn't, does not indicate they were saved. The verse reads,
" For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error." The false teachers were offering people a kind of religion that they can embrace and still hold on to their fleshly desires. Peter also seems to imply that the false teachers were aim to seduce women through sensual methods. So before you count anyone of those save you better get yourself a different Bible to help you.
---MarkV. on 9/8/10


Mark

For when they (the false teachers) speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure ... those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

This verse is saying the false teachers had allured those that were clean!

While they (false teachers) promise them (those that were clean) liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:

For if after they (those that were clean) have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Theres your context!
---JackB on 9/7/10


He is the fool whose end is the lake of fire and brimstone in everlasting torments.
---Eloy on 9/6/10


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//Jack B, I believe you will never give God the glory no matter what I put down.//- MarkV

Thats because you ignore repeated blogs by me stating that I do give God the glory for my salvation.

//You probably think that way for the rest of your life, believing that man, sinful, and spiritually dead in sin at that, can saved himself. // - MarkV

Where did I say any man could save himself? Once again it is all Gods power. Its His salvation offered to all men. But a man must receive it with a repentant heart. You know this is scriptural. You can't throw away the word REPENT. That would change the entire message of the Bible.
---JackB on 9/6/10


//You have not escaped from the polutions of the Roman Catholic church. Works for salvation. Why even depend on God? He can do nothing for you. Your faith is in man not God.// - MarkV

I could follow the Law of commandments perfectly fot he rest of my life from this day forward and would STILL go to hell for the times I disobeyed them.

I am already DEAD to the Law while I am IN CHRIST. I have died with Him and am now alive with Him. The obedience that I offer God is NOT to SAVE myself but because of the LOVE that I hold for God based on what He has done for me. (Romans 12:1) "We love him, because He first loved us" (1 John 4:19)

I hope you finally see where I stand, Mark.
---JackB on 9/6/10


//When you pray to God, do not ask Him to save anyone, He cannot, His is impotent as far as you are concern// - MarkV

So God is "impotent" if He doesnt FORCE his way upon everyone else? You have such a shallow view of leadership and authority. Tyrants lack wisdom and God is VERY wise. True reverance and obedience comes from the HEART of your people. Not from them having no other choice BUT to love you in fear.

Are you also suggesting that my prayers will change Gods mind as to whom He will save when He has already made his decision before the world was even created? Do you not see you are contradicting your own system of beliefs?

I sense a battle going on within you, MarkV You arent too far gone yet.
---JackB on 9/6/10


Jack B, I believe you will never give God the glory no matter what I put down. You fight with all you got inside against God's Omnipotence. In so doing you strip Him of His deity with your implications. I cannot change your heart Jack. You probably think that way for the rest of your life, believing that man, sinful, and spiritually dead in sin at that, can saved himself. You have not escaped from the polutions of the Roman Catholic church. Works for salvation. Why even depend on God? He can do nothing for you. Your faith is in man not God." When you pray to God, do not ask Him to save anyone, He cannot, His is impotent as far as you are concern." Sorry I could not help you. Moving on.
---MarkV. on 9/6/10


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Not only can man resist the Holy Spirit, man can also blaspheme, lie to, tempt, grieve, quench, and despise the Holy Spirit.
---Linda on 9/5/10


//Jack, man cannot resist the Holy Spirit//- MarkV

See now you are blatently ignoring scripture. Man CAN resist God!

Acts 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

How in the world can you read the entire Bible and not see that Hell was made for the disobedient!?

Those who obey God do not go there.
Those who resist His will do.
It so simple even a child can understand and yet you cant seem to grasp the concept.

You seem to be an intelligent man. Therefore I can only conclude that you are simply being so stubborn that youre making yourself a fool.
---JackB on 9/5/10


Faith is FIDELITY, CONFIDENCE, ASSURANCE, DEPENDANCE, TRUST in God.
We MUST believe that He rewards those who "seek" him. (Heb 11:6)

The only way for a man to have "faith" in Jesus Christ is if that man accepts the truth that Jesus CHrist is GOD IN THE FLESH.(John 8:24)

If you wish to say God gave us the ability to have faith in Christ that is fine. That IS true.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation has appeared (given light)
to all men.

But men can reject that truth. (2 Peter 2:21)
---JackB on 9/5/10


Well, this is what I am getting from 2 Peter 2:20-21>>>These false preachers had never escaped the pollutions of the world like the true believers. According to te unbelievers pretense, they claim to have been saved. They have returned to the most despicable sins. It's a warning for believers, because, these frauds have shown themselves--that they deserve the judgment of God--which will certain comeupon them. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 9/5/10


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Jack, man cannot resist the Holy Spirit who is God if God wants to save someone. Man does refuse the gospel millions of times, and it is not because they have more power then God, but because they have no faith in Jesus Christ. They have no faith in Jesus Christ because they have not been given that faith to believe. They are unbelievers, no faith,
In 2 Peter 2:20,21 you forgot to add 18-19 which gives the context. This people"spoke words of emptiness, they allure through the lust of the flesh, through lewdness, ..while they promised them liberty, they themselves are slaves of Corruption" He was speaking about the false teachers. Teaching liberty but they were themselves slaves to sin.
---MarkV. on 9/5/10


Seeing, hearing and perceiving the word of God, does not mean a man will receive it into his heart. It simply means that IF he rejects it, he is now held accountable by God.

2 Peter 2:20,21
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, AFTER THEY HAVE KNOWN IT, TO TURN FROM THE HOLY COMMANDMENT delivered unto them.


Once again, we are back to scripture showing that men CAN and indeed DO resist the Holy Spirit.

How many more would you like, Mark?
---JackB on 9/4/10


Yes, Mark but you didnt see WHY I referenced that verse and asked you what I did. It went right over your head.

They contradict each other if you take them out of context.
---JackB on 9/4/10


Jack, I find it interesting you argue so much for several months with me, then yesterday you oppose what Shawn said with the very passage you denied before. That is why I put it down. The passage clearly teaches what I told you. Without God, man can do nothing, period. And no, I'm not the only one who believes in the Truth of Scripture, many others do to. When I read what you told Shawn, I was shocked you gave those passages.
You said to me,
""How did you come to know Christ as a "natural man" if the natural man can't understand the things of the Spirit?"

Answer, "While dead in my transpasses and sin, God made me alive to Christ, and I could see, hear, and perceive the Word of God"
---MarkV. on 9/4/10


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SATAN IS A PERSON, also, an evil spirit.
****

Satan is a person!!! I laughed so much I fell off my chair - I'm still giggling as I type this

gosh darn it does ANYBODY even READ Holy Scripture anymore or do they just regurgitate the LIES and muck given to them from the false ministers from the god of this world himself - Satan 2Corin 4:4

Satan is a created being - created as an Angel called Lucifer ...an archangel responsible for 1/3 of the angel creation - Gabriel and Michael each having 1/3

Satan rebelled his name was changed from Lucifer to Satan ...otherwise known as the father of lies ...he along with his 1/3 were CAST DOWN to earth were he reigns today until Christ returns
---Rhonda on 9/4/10


Mark, you can preach on the authority of Christ and the sovereignty of Gods will all day long, but have you noticed you ONLY do so when it fits YOUR doctrine?

Has it ever occured to you that its God sovereign will to give his creation free will?

Why is it that you keep dodging my questions? You tell me to ask and then you dont respond.

"How did you come to know Christ as a "natural man" if the natural man can't understand the things of the Spirit?"
---JackB on 9/4/10


///...you show how wrong you are in your theology. I said it was a lack of reading, but it could be a lack of the Spirit revealing the Word to you// - MarkV

Its painfully obvious that your purpose for preaching in these blogs isnt to bring people to faith in Jesus Christ but to make sure they know that you are one of Gods elect and enlightened to things that most of us cannot possibly understand.

Of all the things written in Gods word, I have yet to see where it says we MUST believe in predestined "individual" election to be saved. Why has that become your number one priority? Maybe some men are already secure in their salvation without it. I am secure in that it is Gods promise to me and He does not lie.
---JackB on 9/4/10


SATAN IS A PERSON, also, an evil spirit. He come to only Kill, Steal, and Destroy. He hates everything that God has created, especially humans, I suspect the reason for that is because we, humans, are made in God's image.
---catherine on 9/4/10


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//As far as satan been a god, he is a god only to the point that God permits him//- MarkV

Its amazing that you can make statements like this and then deny free will in other blogs.

God can permit satan to do certain things of his own free will but not man?

No - mans every action must be controlled to conform to predestination according to Gods sovereign will. But not satans apparently.

Its a double standard. We're all either puppets or we're not. You gotta pick one, Mark. Bouncing back and forth hurts your arguments.
---JackB on 9/4/10


Jack B, in trying to oppose Shawn, you show how wrong you are in your theology. I said it was a lack of reading, but it could be a lack of the Spirit revealing the Word to you. You gave 2 Cor. 4:4 as your defence to what he said, and if you look closely your whole theology goes down the drain concerning the depravity of man. "But if our Gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, "whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God, should shine on them"
As far as satan been a god, he is a god only to the point that God permits him to blind the lost through the world system. Christ has all authority.
---MarkV. on 9/4/10


Jack B 2: If Christ shine His light on the lost then and only then will they be able to see, hear, and perceive the Gospel as Truth. "For it is God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ"
God allows those who are blind to remain blind until God desires to bring light to them. Without God they can do nothing. Satan is but a tool use for the purpose of God. Without Godly influence, man left to himself will follow that system, which panders to the depravity of unbelievers and deepens their moral darkness (Matt. 13:19). Ultimately it is God who allows such blindness (John 12:40).
---MarkV. on 9/4/10


-- JackB :

Brother, God's Light is hated so much b/c the darkness does not comprehend it... and while no one is stating the Kingdom to Come is here, the Power of Christ's Light is HERE NOW shining through us in the earth which is Greater than he that is in the world.

So don't cloud & distract from this Truth with verses like 2Cor.4:4 where you presume him as ruler when it's only saying he blinded us, or with comments of then why are we persecuted.

I'm sharing this in order to strengthen the comprehension of the Brethren minds so we may prove what is that Good, Acceptable, Perfect Will of God by no longer be conformed to this weak blind thinking of the world's darkness that subjects to him as ruler of the earth.
---Shawn.M.T. on 9/4/10


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//Brethren, Christ in Matt.28:18 shared with us that now "All Power is given unto His in Heaven and in Earth... So, Why do individuals who claim to be Saved in God's Word Christ Jesus, also claim that satan is now still Ruler of the earth ? //
---Shawn.M.T. on 9/1/10

Because scripture says he is "the god of this world". (2 Cor 4:4)

Christs kingdom isnt here yet (Rev 11). Do you honestly think followers of Christ would be hated so much in Christs kingdom under HIS rule?

We are the light of the world, sent forth into the darkness (sheep amidst the wolves). That light was given to us by Christ because he lives IN us. We are sent to bring men out of darkness.
---JackB on 9/3/10


pt. 2
Satan means Adversary or opponent. Adverse means opposite.
God is LOVE/LIFE!
SELFISHNESS/DEATH is the opposite, opponent/adversary.
Every human, including Jesus, hears and is tempted by the voice of SELF(satan). Jesus heard the human voice of SELF but resisted in all points and on all occasions.
Luke 4:8
Jesus answered get thee behind me, Satan for it is written, thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Peter made a statement of SELF to Jesus in Matthew 16. "But Jesus turned, and said unto PETER, Get thee behind me, SATAN. Thou art an offence unto me for thou savourest not the things of God, OF MEN"
Notice Jesus didn't say, thou savourist the things of fallen angels.
---Legends on 9/3/10


SATAN our ultimate ENEMY is not a former angel but SELF, DEATH AND SIN!
SELF is a seed sower of fleshly thoughts that tempt us to have things OUR way. Self unknowingly falsely accuses. Ex, Rebellious human SELVES accuse angels falsely.
The end RESULT of SELF is death in all it's forms!

1Corinthian15
Since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
In Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive
But each in his own order...
Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
For He must reign until He has put all His ENEMIES under His feet.
The last ENEMY that will be abolished is DEATH.
---Legends on 9/3/10


Satan is the source of evil. 1 John 3:8 NIV
Satan is a murderer and liar John 8:44 NIV
Satan was created perfect with freedom to chose.Ez. 28:17.
Satan wanted to be equal with God. IA 14:12-14.
Satan's heart was full of pride. Ez. 28:17,
He wanted to be worshipped. Math 4:8-9
Satan is super strong when waging war.Eph 6:11
Satan is our enemy. 1 Pet. 5:8 waring against
the human race.Rev 12:12 but he is our DEFEATED ENNEMY!
---Pierre on 9/2/10


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satan rules through lies and temptation,just as he promised jesus all the kingdoms of the world if he would bow down and worship him.everyone know satan never really owned a thing,never really had any power.though to the world it may appear satan has the power to rule,his is a vain power,he owns nothing,God owns everything,he has no real power,only deception.
---tom2 on 9/2/10


\\Unfortunately he has most of you. You don't know it\\

Consider the source.

Remember, deluded people never admit they are deluded. They claim everybody else is.
---Cluny on 9/2/10


"Who or what is Satan?" The believer's adversary and accuser.
---josef on 9/2/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, Christ in Matt.28:18 shared with us that now "All Power is given unto His in Heaven and in Earth... So, Why do individuals who claim to be Saved in God's Word Christ Jesus, also claim that satan is now still Ruler of the earth ?
---Shawn.M.T. on 9/1/10


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SATAN WANTS YOU! Unfortunately he has most of you. You don't know it. But, you better know it, because, Satan wants you in hell with him. Ouch, that's HOT.
---catherine on 9/1/10


Makes no difference to me. The Bible says, my sheep knows my voice and they follow me. I am the sheep Jesus is the Shepard. I will tell my Father on you blasphemers.
---catherine on 9/1/10


Isn't he the one who is talking to you Catherine or least one of his agents? The one you had a physical and sensuous encounter with (per your story)? I am surprised that you would even ask such a question since you have been spiritually deluded by a demon.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/1/10


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