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Is Satan The Ruler Of Earth

Christ in Matthew 28:18 shared with us that now "All Power is given unto His in Heaven and in Earth. So, Why do individuals who claim to be Saved in God's Word Christ Jesus, also claim that Satan is now still Ruler of the earth?

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Sorry Mark ... having wholeheartedly suported you on another blog, I'm back here toi challenge you.

You say " I do not believe man saves himself"

MarkV ... NO-ONE here has ever suggested that we can save ourselves
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/19/10


Ginger, I listen to Jack that's why I answer. I do not believe man saves himself or has the ability to change his own heart, or open his own eyes, understand the word of God without God giving him that ability. They love darkness rather then light. Jesus said, only His sheep hear His voice. The lost do not hear His voice or love Him. They need to be born again of the Spirit, and that's a work of God. From beginning to end, it is all the work of God.
God is always rightous. Does He make people sin? They sin because they love to sin. They have a sin nature. From the time their born you have to teach them to do good, for to do bad they already know. Every single decendant of Adam is heading to hell. They know not God and don't want to know Him.
---Mark_V. on 9/19/10


Jack, you said,
Christs sacrifice made it possible for all men to be saved since He died for all men. However, that doesnt mean that ALL will accept what He has done for them when they hear the gospel."
YOu are right in what you say, His sacrifice was sufficient for all people to be save. It does not need the help from man to make it sufficient. And again you are right, it is sufficient to only those who have faith in the works of Christ. It doesn't mean that all will accept the gospel, that too is correct. The one's that do not receive faith will reject it. For faith comes from hearing, hearing the word of God, and many hear it and do not get faith.
---Mark_V. on 9/19/10


Universalism or limited-
No not either one actually.
Thats because all men have been given and invitation (Christ dying for the sins of all mankind) but most don't rsvp.
They turn it down flat beacuse they love the dark better than the light.
God is a righteous judge. The Bible says so.
So, men are judged according to what they do. If They are created by God to be sent to hell (dont pass go dont get the chance to accept eternal salvation) then thats not righteous judgement because they are doing exactly what God created them to do there fore they actually are in obedience. That is just bogus, Mark, and you know it.
God isnt the author of sin, MarkV. The bible says that too.

You should really listen to JackB, he's right.
---ginger on 9/18/10


//I don't see how you could not, since many are going to hell. So it has to be limited//-MarkV

Its simple. If you prepare a banquet for everyone in town and theres food for everyone and yet some people dont show up, is it because there wasnt enough food? Or because they simply didnt accept the invitation?

Did you ever read Luke 14:16 and Matt 22? I never heard back from you on those 2 parables.

//If it is not limited, you believe in Universal salvation// - MarkV

So it Calvinism or Univeralism now? No in between?

Christs sacrifice made it possible for all men to be saved since He died for all men. However, that doesnt mean that ALL will accept what He has done for them when they hear the gospel.
---JackB on 9/18/10




Acts 1:24

And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen


So are you saying we should omit the "which knowest the hearts of all men"? Wouldnt that totally change the meaning of the scripture?

Maybe thats the idea...

It seems to work well with other scripture that just dont fit Calvinist doctrine.
---JackB on 9/18/10


Brother Shawn, might I add ( Liked your post :-))
Good question too by the way.

We are to know our enemy and put on the whole armor of God so we may resist his wiles.


By the way, I think maybe you should have simplified your blog questions and made it a little easier for younger Christians to chew on, Lol!
---ginger on 9/18/10


Jack, you said,
"I do not (because of scripture directly refuting it) believe in Limited Atonement. Nor will I ever."
I don't see how you could not, since many are going to hell. So it has to be limited. If it is not limited, you believe in Universal salvation.
You said,
"You would rather believe He offers to only a select few of whom you fall into the group with."
What about you? are you not saved? If you are, you too fall into that group. Instead of complaining you should thank our Holy merciful God for saving you too. You were no better then anyone who is lost. Yet He opened your eyes to the Truth, gave you faith. Why do you think we thank Him for saving us.
---Mark_V. on 9/18/10


Jack 2:
You said,
"Have you ever asked yourself why God loves you, Mark, and wants to save you, but not the man across the street who is no more guilty of sin than you are?"
Yes, I do wonder. But I don't let it stop me from believing that what God does is always righteous. Who am I to question Almighty God? Maybe God will quicken his heart at a later time. I do not know.
You said:
Could it be the condition of a man's heart that God looks at, like when he chose a disciple to replace Judas? (Acts 1:24)"
You are speculating. "Could it be" that the lost heart is for God. Scripture declares no one is good, no one understands, no one righteous, no one seeks after God."
---Mark_V. on 9/18/10


As Ive always said,Mark, we only disagree where you believe God doesnt offer the ability to repent and believe to all men. You would rather believe He offers to only a select few of whom you fall into the group with. The doctrine is rooted in self-centered love. The inability to accept the fact that 1 person is no more loved by God than another.

I do not (because of scripture directly refuting it) believe in Limited Atonement. Nor will I ever.

Have you ever asked yourself why God loves you, Mark, and wants to save you, but not the man across the street who is no more guilty of sin than you are?

Could it be the condition of a man's heart that God looks at, like when he chose a disciple to replace Judas? (Acts 1:24)
---JackB on 9/17/10




//"God may perhaps grant," meaning He might not to some// - MarkV

Can you not see that a personal opinion on this ONE verse has caused you to deny multiple scripture stating the exact opposite?

When that happens , its wise to assume you have that ONE verse interpreted incorrectly.

2 Tim 20- is telling us HOW to be an example and how to teach men so that they may come to repentance and deliver themselves out of the snare of the devil. Its not the first place the Bible has taught us HOW to teach the gospel. The approach we use "makes the difference" (Jude 1:22). In other words, it can determine if a man repents and believes the gospel.
---JackB on 9/17/10


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-- Royal :

Brother, No one is claiming or denying that there isn't a false god of this world. He goes by many names and would love to keep the mind of man under the illusion that he rules this world... Which is what the Blog Question is addressing.

The Brethren are to no longer to be conformed nor subject to this world's blind thinking which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts of its false god as ruler of the earth.

We're to put off these concerns and be renewed in the spirit of our minds which after God is created in Righteousness & True Holiness under All Power given unto Christ in Heaven and in Earth, so we may prove what is that Good, Acceptable, Perfect Will of God !!!



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---ShawnM.T. on 9/17/10


Kathr, if you speak truth now, why don't you repent? You have started this division, not with Scripture but with those words that come out of your mouth. The only way you will have harmony is for you to change your purpose.
---MarkV. on 9/17/10


Yes Satan is the god of this world.
(2Cor 4:3 [NET])
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing,

(2Cor 4:4 [NET])
among whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of those who do not believe so they would not see the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God.

(2Cor 4:5 [NET])
For we do not proclaim ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your slaves for Jesus sake.

(2Cor 4:6 [NET])
For God, who said Let light shine out of darkness, is the one who shined in our hearts to give us the light of the glorious knowledge of God in the face of Christ.
---Royal on 9/17/10


2 Timothy 2:24-26
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

Paul already warned that new Christians should not be pastors because Satan can puff them up.

Here Paul is not talking about the Gospel of salvation, but behavior.

Many think they know it all, leading to contentions...must repent to bring back harmony in the body.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/10


Jack, sorry but we are not under the control of Satan, the lost are. That is why they cannot come to Christ. The very reason you stated. The lost Jack are under the control of satan, doing the desires of their father, the enemy, not the believers.
Again you make my case when you said,
"The Holy Spirit gives a man the truth and the ability to repent and believe in the provision made for us. We have a way out of our sinful, twisted state."
That's right, without God, they stay under the control of satan as you stated, God gives those he saves the Truth and the ability to repent by convicting them of sin, and they will believe by faith the provisions made for him.
---MarkV. on 9/17/10


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Jack 2, the more you talk the more truth you now speak. You also said,
" I know you dont like to hear it, but its definately scriptural that men have the power to resist Gods love."
God grants repentance to some unbelievers not all of them,
"...God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will"
"God may perhaps grant," meaning He might not to some, if He wanted to grant that to all, He would not have said, "may perhaps grant". All who repent come to Christ because God inables them to escape from the snare of the devil.
All others resist the message of the Spirit.
---MarkV. on 9/17/10


MarkV. on 9/17/10
"God loves the world (John 3:16)
Christ tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9)
Christ is the atonement not just for us, but for the whole world (1 John 2:2)
He wants all men to know the truth and be saved (1 Tim 2:4)
His grace has appeared to all men (Titus 2:11)"


These scriptures mean that the door is OPEN to all men because Christ opened it. He is the WAY.
It is now up to man to walk through the door which is Christ.

That is a choice that is presented when God convicts them of their sins.
They can repent or or not.
---ginger on 9/17/10


//Are you now changing your theology and implying that all will be save?//- MarkV

No. God gives his creations the power to choose. Man chose sin. We are now under the control of satan, held captive at his will.

The Holy Spirit gives a man the truth and the ability to repent and believe in the provision made for us. We have a way out of our sinful, twisted state. I know you dont like to hear it, but its definately scriptural that men have the power to resist Gods love.

The core message of the Bible is that God is loving and gracious enough to do away with man's sins and restore us. What lands a man in hell is his pride. Rejecting that truth because of his love for sin or his refusal to believe he needs a Savior.
---JackB on 9/17/10


I cant seem to find it now, but a blogger here suggested that satan is the "god of the worlds ways". That is exactly what I was tryin to say. Thank you for the help.

Satans ways are the ones we have chosen and that is why he is this worlds god. Even Christ said those without Him were children of the devil and that he was our Father.

Its not to suggest that satan is more powerful than Christ, but simply that he has control over those who do not repent but choose to follow his ways instead!

We cannot serve 2 masters as Christ said.
---JackB on 9/17/10


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Kathr 2:

MarkV. on 9/17/10


MarkV, to say that God was made 100% man is to give one the impression He was no longer God. There is only ONE begotten son.

You also seem to think there was an eternal God JR. who became God Jr. in the flesh. This is wrong also.

GOD was made flesh.

John 1 clearly states WHO became Flesh..1st Timothy 3:16 . Why do you object it was the WORD? The WORD is the person of the Trinity.

In Rev, when He returns, scripture says, And His name is THE WORD OF GOD!!!

Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/10


Kathr 2: Ans #2 Please post:


MarkV. on 9/17/10


MarkV, to say that God was made 100% man is to give one the impression He was no longer God. There is only ONE begotten son.

You also seem to think there was an eternal God JR. who who became God Jr in teh flesh. This is wrong also.

GOD was made flesh.

John 1 clearly states WHO became Flesh..1st Timothy 3:16 Why do you object it was the WORD? The WORD is the person of the Trinity.

In Rev, when He returns He it says there too, And His name is THE WORD OF GOD!!!

Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/10


MarkV, I don't believe he is bound, and if you don't then you are not 100% Calvinist. Augustine began that doctrine, and Calvin and many reformers follow his teaching. I'm glad you can think outside Calvinism for this.

However, why do you spend your time here casting a stumbling block in the way of those who are sharing the truth of the Gospel? Every time the Gospel is presented, you find some stupid issue to destroy the flow, joy and power of the scriptures? You grab verses and want to re-define. Scripture does not need you to re-define it's meaning.
This is EXACTLY what Satan did in the garden...he re-defined, by saying...well, God REALLY meant this or that!
---kathr4453 on 9/17/10


GOD is still the owner of this Earth. GOD owns the "thousand cattles on a hill", etc. What Satan IS is the "ruler of this world SYSTEM". It's like when Christians speak of not living in "worldliness". Their not speaking of the planet Earth, and the Creation thereon. They are referring to the "world system" of the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. Satan rules the system behind the scenes of this World that promote everything of sinful, temporary pleasure. The lust of power, money, illicit sex, illegal drugs, abortion, etc. The proud attitudes. The major part of the media which are guided by "leftist thinking", etc. GOD owns the Earth, despite it being marred by sin.
---Gordon on 9/17/10


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Kathr, the name "antichrist" is mention only in two books. 1 John, and 2 John. You mentioned before that we believe that the antichrist is bound. But I showed you we believe he is not, so all that talk about the reformers and me are completely false.

2 John 9 say's,
"Whoever trangresses and does not abide in the Doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son."
John had just finished talking about many decievers in v.7, who do not confess Jesus Christ coming in the flesh, these is an antichrist. In order for Christ the Son to come in the flesh, He had to have already existed from eternity. You said He became the Son at His birth.
---MarkV. on 9/17/10


1st John says, Jesus not only died for our sin BUT also the sin of the whole world. Jesus tasted death for ALL MEN, however in that Jesus did not at that time GIVE LIFE to all men. One must receive Christ to be the recipient of His Gift of eternal life. JackBs scriptures in no way teach universalism.

JackB, great scriptures. Scripture teaches scripture and you have placed many here to understand the Gospel. Isnt it wonderful when we preach the Gospel that we can tell others Christ died for them too, not just the elect!

MarkV just can't think outside the Tulip Garden....



###Thanks alan for clarifying!
---kathr4453 on 9/17/10


Kathr 2: You also made a comment that Christ became 100% flesh and fully God. That tells me after hearing your prior words about the Son, that at one time, His birth, He became both. Flesh and fully God. He was always fully God.
And concerning me answering you the way I did, was only because a person gets tired of hearing you say, MarkV is a Mormon, Markv teaches doctrines of the devil, Markv believes the devil is bound, His mother is Calvin, and a whole lot of other condemning words to me. You have even attacked my family with your responses on my testimony, for no good reason but to slander me. So I am tired of treating you like a believer and maybe, I will answer you the same way Eloy does others. Maybe you understand that better.
---MarkV. on 9/17/10


Kathr .... I think on the "Why So Many Denominations" blog you misunderstood what Rod$Him was saying in his posts.

Rather than attacking you and me, he was pointing out the error of someone else's remarks and ways!
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/17/10


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Jack, in fact I've learned alot of things I didn't know before. I listen to what others say, But when I answer I study very hard before I answer. Always to make sure what I answer is correct and always try to give Scripture and reason why I write what I do. And always for the glory of God. I do not speak of things that I do not study on. I try not to give only opinion answers to questions in life, sense not everyone's conditions or experiences are the same as another, I do give my experience on what happen to me, but try my best not to since my opposers will look for loop-holes in my answers for no good reason. Devorce and political issues cause a lot of hate. But so does Scripture doctrines from those who have not studied.
---MarkV. on 9/17/10


Jack 1: I try to leave you peace so you don't get into more problems, but you even reject that. Then you say I do not answer you passages to proof that's why I do not want to answer you.
You gave,
"God loves the world (John 3:16)
Christ tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9)
Christ is the atonement not just for us, but for the whole world (1 John 2:2)
He wants all men to know the truth and be saved (1 Tim 2:4)
His grace has appeared to all men (Titus 2:11)"

You group this passages without context to proof what? Are you now changing your theology and implying that all will be save? That is called "Universalism"
Taking those passages at face value, they indicate a Universal salvation.
---MarkV. on 9/17/10


Amillennialism is the view that there will be no future reign of Christ on the earth for a thousand years.Instead, the thousand year reign of Christ mentioned six times in Revelation 20 is being fulfilled during the present age. According to amillennialists, the "thousand years" is not a literal thousand years but is figurative for "a very long period of indeterminate length." Thus the millennium of Revelation 20:1-6 describes the conditions of the present age between the two comings of Christ. During this period Satan is bound (Rev. 20:1-3) and Christ's Kingdom is being fulfilled (Rev. 20:4-6).

Eschatology and Interpretive Frameworks: Amillennialism Highlighted at The Evangelical Calvinist.
---kathr4453 on 9/16/10


Mark, being condescending to me doesnt automatically make you right.

This is the 7th time you have "left me in peace" because you didnt like scripture that I gave. Instead of looking at what the scripture says and thinking about it, you perform the grown up version of plugging your ears, closing your eyes and turning away from it. Then you try to label the poster as a heretic or just plain lost.

I also notice that you often make reference to waiting to answer questions from others as though you have all the answers and are simply waiting for the rest to learn from you.

Are you beyond asking for understanding, Mark? Do you not feel you have anything else to learn?
---JackB on 9/16/10


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This is what scripture says: NOT at all what MarkV said.


1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

However no where does it say that those who do not believe that eternal son became the begotten son are anti-christ trying to seduduce you!

---kathr4453 on 9/16/10


anyone who say's that the Son of God is not eternal are people who seduce believers away from the eternal Son of God.
"This antichrist are trying to seduce us away from Jesus Christ" 1 John 2:26.
---MarkV. on 9/16/10


Not only is the Son of God eternal, so is the Son of Man and the Son of David!!! Was the Son of man and the son of David, Christ's other titles also exist in eternity past???

However, 1st John states those who deny Christ came in teh FLESH are antichrist.
---kathr4453 on 9/16/10


Jack, you have been given enough Truth already. I don't believe anymore Truth will set you in the right direction. You love the direction you are in, and no amount of Scripture can help you. I leave you peace and move on to other questions.
---MarkV. on 9/16/10


//The reason I love Him is because He first loved me. Without that love I would never love Him. When a person is lost, they don't have a love for Christ. They are unable to love Him, unless God first loves them. // - MarkV

Exactly, Mark!
If its proof to you that God loves you because Christ died for you, then given the truths of scripture we can only conclude that God loves ALL men:

God loves the world (John 3:16)
Christ tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9)
Christ is the atonement not just for us, but for the whole world (1 John 2:2)
He wants all men to know the truth and be saved (1 Tim 2:4)
His grace has appeared to all men (Titus 2:11)
---JackB on 9/16/10


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//They are unable to love Him, unless God first loves them. // - MarkV

It sounds more accurate to say that

They are unable to love Him, unless THEY KNOW God first loved them. That is why we MUST believe the gospel.

You cant love someone that you think hates you and wants to destroy you. This is what satan wants to us to keep believing. That is why we fear death. That is what Christ defeated when he died in our place. (Heb 2:14,15) Satan has no hold on us now.
---JackB on 9/16/10


Jack, you again made my point. In fact everytime you answer you proof my point. I know myself I have a true love for Christ. If I didn't I would not be saved. You should reread what you posted. The reason I love Him is because He first loved me. Without that love I would never love Him. When a person is lost, they don't have a love for Christ. They are unable to love Him, unless God first loves them. God makes Himself known to us through the Holy Spirit. And gives us that love, that makes us able to love Him. If you could plant all that in your heart, you would know the Truth of your salvation. You speak it when you answer, why don't you believe it?
---MarkV. on 9/16/10


Kathr, where do you come out with all that garbish you just posted? You said,
"Can anyone see the dangers of this doctrine? Has Satan really been bouned? They dont believe in a literal anti-christ COMING whom Satan GIVES power, since they believe satan is bound."

The danger is listening to you. And I pray to God that no one will believe you. Show where in the Reform doctrine, anyone said that satan is bound. You do alot of talking and provide no proof. We believe that the anti-christ is here, and anyone who say's that the Son of God is not eternal are people who seduce believers away from the eternal Son of God.
"This antichrist are trying to seduce us away from Jesus Christ" 1 John 2:26.
---MarkV. on 9/16/10


Just look around you and see if governance, trading, employment, schooling, politics & housing etc are being done in a Godly manner or ungodly way.(1) God gave the rulership of the earth to MAN Gen.1:26-28. (2)God sent Satan to the earth as a 1st-level of punishment Ezek.28:17, Rev.12:9. (3) Satan declared that the glory of the earth/world has been delivered to him Luke4:6, by whom, MAN of course!
---Adetunji on 9/16/10


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Amillennialism also teaches that the binding of Satan described in Revelation has already occurred, he has been prevented from "deceiving the nations".

Critics also believe that caesaropapism caused millennialism to be eliminated from Christianity from the 4th century onwards.
caesaropapism stems from the confusion of the Byzantine Empire with the Kingdom of God and the zeal of the Byzantines "to establish here on earth God's government in heaven." Augustine, Calvin and many reformers followed this false doctrine.

Can anyone see the dangers of this doctrine? Has Satan really been bouned? They dont believe in a literal anti-christ COMING whom Satan GIVES power, since they believe satan is bound.
---kathr4453 on 9/15/10


//"I am saved by God through His Word. How do I know I am save?
I know because I have a true love for Christ, those who are lost don't have it.// --- MarkV

Its impossible to love someone we do not know. And scripture states that we love Him BECAUSE He first loved us. How do we know of Gods love for us? We believe the gospel of Jesus Christ when it is presented to us. When we do, we gain a love for God. The Spirit of truth brings it into us.

If a man wanting to know Christ is proof that He is being drawn by God, who are we to judge if that man is saved or lost based on his interpretation of scripture?

We arent supposed to cause our brother to stumble in his faith.
---JackB on 9/15/10


Kathr, again you go away from the topics of Scripture to bring more condemnation. You said:
" The Problem here, its RELIGION, that keeps getting up-dated with time, relying on MAN's teaching, not the indwelling Holy Spirit who brings us into truth and we Grow individually in the Grace and Knowledge of Him"
The problem is, the Holy Spirit is not bringing you into the Truth, because you are not growing in the knowledge of Him. You are growing in the knowledge of the other. Your other problem is your hate for others. You threw Mormons, Witnesses, and most of all RCC under the bus, and forgot to throw yourself under the bus. The Elect come from all corners of the World, and only God knows who they are.
---MarkV. on 9/15/10


Calvinism is ammillenial, which means they reject all the "end-time" prophecy. Problem!!!
Calvinism (also called Reformed tradition, the Reformed faith, or Reformed theology) is a theological system and an approach to the Christian life The Reformed tradition was advanced by several theologians such as Martin Bucer, Heinrich Bullinger, Peter Martyr Vermigli, and Huldrych Zwingli. The Problem here, its RELIGION, that keeps getting up-dated with time, relying on MAN's teaching, not the indwelling Holy Spirit who brings us into truth and we Grow individually in the Grace and Knowledge of HIM.
But because they reject end times prophecy, THAT is where Satan is going to lead them on the wrong path right into his hands!!
---kathr4453 on 9/15/10


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-- JackB :

Brother, Once again... While no one is talking about the Kingdom to Come being here, the Power of Christ's Light is here NOW shining through us in the earth which is Greater than he that is in the world.

I'm sharing this to strengthen the Brethren into proving what is that Good, Acceptable, Perfect Will of God, by no longer being conformed to this world's blind thinking of subjecting itself to satan as a greater ruler in the earth.

So, Don't cloud & distract from this Truth with comments of why some men hate God's Image or why is there kidnappings & molestations. JackB, They're blind, and that's actually what 2Cor.4:4 is saying... the minds of unbelievers has been blinded, not that satan rules!!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 9/15/10


Jack, I will answer your question even though I believe you are looking for mistakes or holes in my answers. But I do not contradict Scripture. I am not saved by my own doctrine, I have no doctrine of my own that can save me.

"I am saved by God through His Word. How do I know I am save?
I know because I have a true love for Christ, those who are lost don't have it. I also know I am chosen because His Spirit witnesses to my spirit that I am a child of God."


True Scriptural doctrines bring you Truth, and that Truth is Christ. Bad doctrines bring you nothing.
---MarkV. on 9/15/10


Today, many pastors complain that the Church is lukewarm or cold (and seem to never come out of it). North America was a hot Christian nation in the 1600s. Why? or how? Because they did not ignore William Tyndale and most certainly did not despise Iohn Calvin as many Churches do today.

KJV-Onlyism is very oppressive. Because they refuse to read William Tyndale's Bible translation, which if they would, they would realize that William Tyndale taught no differently than Iohn Calvin. The Geneva Bible has been persecuted. And, that's persecuting William Tyndale (subtly).

Listen to what William Tyndale wrote in the Obedience of a Christian man...
---Kev on 9/14/10


''Christ is the cause why I loue thee, why I am ready to do the uttermost of my power for thee, and why I pray for thee. And as long as the cause abideth, so long lasteth the effect even as it is always day, so long as the sun shineth. Do therefore the worst thou canst vnto me: take away my goods: take away my good name: yet as long as Christ remaineth in mine heart, so long I loue thee not a whit the less and so long art thou as dear unto me as mine own soul, and so long am I ready to do thee good for thine evil, and so long I pray for thee with all mine heart. For Christ desireth it of me and hath deserved it of me. Thine unkindness compared unto his kindness is nothing at all, yea it is swallowed up, as a little smoke of a mighty wind ''
---Kev on 9/14/10


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MarkV, how do you know you are saved according to your own doctrine?

How do you know God picked you to be one of the elect?
---JackB on 9/14/10


Kathr, if you talked Truth I would know you are for God. But you talk trash and evil when you speak,

"The evil seed of Calvinism planted in peoples minds that God is the author of evil thereby calling evil good, will be deluded to believe all these lies when the anti-christ comes, with all who believe in dominionism: JW's Mormons, RCC"

Your theology is corrupt. You call others like me Mormons and J.W's when it is you who strips not only God of His Sovereign right to Rule, and call Satan ruler, but also strip Christ of His deity. The words that come out of your mouth are evil, You said, calling evil good, I don't call your evil good, your evil is evil. that's why you cannot debate a topic of Scripture.
---MarkV. on 9/14/10


Jack 2: I sure don't know where you come out with your theologies, but you also have another one wrong, that one is about me. You said,
"Mark, the reason why you never understand my position is because you have a very shallow view of anyone in a position of power and authority. Dictatorship rules your thinking. I can only assume it is because of how you were raised.'
Here we go with your opinions. You don't see me seating down here and thinking you were brought up wrong, and you were mistreated while young, are that maybe you don't have a father. What I do think is that you don't study the topics at hand, and have been taught wrong. All I do is give you the Truth. I don't try to figure you out about your life.
---MarkV. on 9/14/10


Jack, you made my point, there is no free will, when you stated,
"Mark, you just gave scripture proving what I said. Its satans will that people be blind to Christ, not Gods. God opens our eyes to the truth"
All the lost, as I told you before, cannot come to Christ unless God opens their eyes and ears and give them a new heart to percieve. Why? because the god of this world has blinded them. Your double talk can never bring truth to you unless you get it right.
Second, satan is but a tool for God, He permits him to blind those who are lost. He is not the Ruler of the Universe, God is. Without God's permission he can do nothing. It is God who permits sin to continue but it is not God who commits sin or makes you sin.
---MarkV. on 9/14/10


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Mark, the reason why you never understand my position is because you have a very shallow view of anyone in a position of power and authority. Dictatorship rules your thinking. I can only assume it is because of how you were raised.

You think that because someone is in power that they will automatically FORCE their ways upon you and you cannot resist?

Not even God does so and He has ALL power. If He did so, there would be no SIN in the world. He would have simply willed us all into obedience.

If He abhors evil it certainly wouldnt be his will that we partake of it.
---JackB on 9/14/10


JackB, Calvinists, because of their Dominion Theology as Larry pointed out on another blog actually believe it's their responsibility to take back the world for Jesus sake, not realizing this is Kingdom Now Theology. Adam and Eve LOST dominion over this world to satan when they sinned. Jesus has not yet taken dominion back of this world, and won't until His return. Even the earth groans waiting for redemption of the NEW earth!

The evil seed of Calvinism planted in peoples minds that God is the author of evil thereby calling evil good, will be deluded to believe all these lies when the anti-christ comes, with all who believe in dominionism: JW's Mormons, RCC.

WE LOOK UP for Christ's return, not down and around to FIX THINGS!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/14/10


Mark, you just gave scripture proving what I said. Its satans will that people be blind to Christ, not Gods. God opens our eyes to the truth.

Once again, the ONLY thing we disagree on is that you believe God withholds the truth and the ability from some to even believe. And that man does not have a decision to make once his eyes have been opened. But scripture says differently, whether you like it or not.

It IS possible for those who have escaped corruption/polution to entangle themselves "again" and be worse off than they were before they knew the truth. (Gal 5:1) (2 Peter 2:1,20) (Matt 12:43) (Luke 11:24)
---JackB on 9/14/10


MarkV, Go back to Hebrews 2:7, Jesus was made LOWER than angels, and so was man. He took on Him the seed of Abraham, and also scripture says he is of the seed of David. Why do we believe Marys genealogy is so very important. It takes Jesus genealogy all the way back to adam through Mary.
Rom.8:3 ...God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh ...
MarkV, Jesus didnt come to give AID to us, He came to DIE for our sin. He died in our place. He took upon His human Flesh our human sin.
"16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels,( ANGELS CANNOT DIE) but he took on him the seed of Abraham."
---kathr4453 on 9/14/10


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Jack, you do a lot of jumping back and forth on the Scriptures and your theology. First you claim that lost man have free will and that they can do what they want, they have that power. Then you turn around and defend Satan that he is Ruler and give 2 Cor. 4:4 as your proof that Satan is in control not God,
"But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are parishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them"
With your double talk you will never be able to answer questions correctly because every time you do answer, you will contradict prior answers.
---MarkV. on 9/14/10


//Why do individuals who claim to be Saved in God's Word Christ Jesus, also claim that Satan is now still Ruler of the earth?//

Because scripture says he is. (2 Cor 4:4)
Note it translates 'aion/age' meaning there will come a time when he is NOT the god of it. Christ will have His kingdom. (Rev 11:15)

Why do 8 year olds walking to school get kidnapped and molested by 40 year old men? Christs will?

Why do some men hate others created in the image of God simply because they have different skin color? Christs will?

Why do people who bear the name of Jesus Christ spend their time looking for ways to condemn other Christians? Christs will?

Why do you think we look forward to Christs return?
---JackB on 9/14/10


Heb 7:12-16 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda, of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
---micha9344 on 9/14/10


Jesus did not change anything at the cross. He came to fullfill.We are no longer UNDER the law but we are still IN the law.
Blood is still the requirement for sin. prasie GOD! Jesus came to fullfill that requirement!
---Jeff on 9/13/10


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Luke 4:5-6
5 Then the devil led Jesus up to a high place. In an instant, he showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world. 6 He said to him, "I will give you all their authority and glory. SATAN SAID:It has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to.


Jesus declined!!!! However friends Satan will one day give it all to the Beast, ANTI-CHRIST. When Jesus Comes in all His blazing Glory HE will overthrow Satan, the Beast etc!!!!

NOT Until Christ's return and the final battle will the Kingdoms of this world..AKA EARTH become the Kingdoms of Christ Revelation 11.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/10


Because Not all whom "say" they are saved, are in actually saved.
---Eloy on 9/11/10


catherine,

which blogger has caused you such a visceral response?
---aka on 9/11/10


Holy Scripture is clear that the one known as Satan had been given authority over this earth. How else was he able to tempt Christ with all the gifts he offered during the 40 days of temptation in the wilderness?

It is also clear that the one known as Satan is no longer ruler of this earth and it is quite possible that he is in the Lake of Fire with the false prophet and the anti-christ even as we speak.
---Higgins on 9/11/10


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Well, some blogger has my dandruff up! I am telling you Satan is the god of this world and will succeed in taking most people to hell with him. Hallelujah. I cannot hallelujah you to heaven, only Jesus can save you. When He saves you it don't matter about the hallelujahs, because, you are one of the few who has truly escaped the fiery torments of hell. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 9/10/10


//Most Christians are not reading the Bible and they don't realize that Jesus changed things at the cross//

and at His "descension", resurrection, and ascension.

to address the question, i think Josef said it best on 9/2/10...and is worth repeating.

"Satan has never ruled the earth.
Satan is the god, ruler, prince, or chief power of this 'world', as this sensually based system of things, as well as it's adherents and advocates...2 Cor 4:4>Eph 2:2.
"The heaven, [even] the heavens, [are] the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men." Psa.115:16
---aka on 9/10/10


Most Christians are not reading the Bible and they don't realize that Jesus changed things at the cross.
---Matt on 9/10/10


Perhaps, they fail to explain themselves very well. Satan is the god of this world, and he rules most people, because most people are on their way to hell. It is God's world, And it is He who keeps it from slithering away, crumbling. And God keeps evil at bay. Things can always be worse. Seriously, if it were not for God. Ahhh, but, there is a God, and whether you believe in Him or not, you still should have something upstairs in this.
---catherine on 9/10/10


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Shawn MT, if you go back and read about Jesus 40 days, you will see Satan OFFERED Jesus the Kingdom, this earth. Jesus declined, KNOWING that one day--- Revelations 11 that at the final overthrow of Satan/Beast/Anti-christ the Kingdoms of this world will then become the Kingdom of our Christ and will be Christ's forever and ever.

If you read Revelation you must see that Satan certainly will use his last days in getting people to bow down to him

Revelation 16:10
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast, and his kingdom was full of darkness, and they gnawed their tongues for pain,...these WOWS of God's wrath will certainly include this earth!
---kathr4453 on 9/9/10


Satan has never ruled the earth.
Satan is the god, ruler, prince, or chief power of this 'world', as this sensually based system of things, as well as it's adherents and advocates. 2Cr 4:4>Eph 2:2.
"The heaven, [even] the heavens, [are] the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men." Psa.115:16
---Josef on 9/2/10


My point exactly!

"ALL power is given to me" leaves nothing behind for Satan.
---Cluny on 9/2/10


God is a God of infinite power and wisdom. God in fact does have power over the Earth. Satan can tempt you and nothing more. It is up to you whether to give in or not. Satan/The Devil is not in control. Satan cannot overcome the power of God. Hope this helps. If i missunderstood your question send me a message and I will try to help.
---Kyle6995 on 9/2/10


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Shawn...in the Gospel of John Jesus refers to satan as the prince of the world.
---JIM on 9/2/10


Jesus is the Lord of all. And God has things organized. He uses Satan to keep evil organized, but always subject to God's overall management . . . while we Christians specialize in submitting to however God rules us in His own peace (Colossians 3:15), not allowing evil and circumstances to decide how we are and what we do. Therefore, do not to get tangled in trying to control evil people (2 Timothy 2:4). There are unsaved people whom God can use to do the dirty work of keeping the lid on evil. Therefore Paul says the secular authority person "is God's minister to you for good." (in Romans 13:4) But we do what we can to help, but not getting entangled under Satan's power of stress, depression, unforgiveness, etc.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/2/10


It is said in 1John 5:19-20 (kjv) states:
19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

So Yes for a time Satan/sin/evil or anyother name used in wickedness will rule over this earth until God puts a stop to it.
---Candice on 9/2/10


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