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No Tongues No Mansion

All believers will not get a mansion in heaven for even the devils believe in god. Unless you receive the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues you will not inter the kingdom of heaven. Do you think tongues is outdated in this day and age just because you haven't witnessed the gift?

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Where does scripture say unless you receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven?


First of all, the Gifts of the Spirit are only given to those who belong to the Lord to begin with. Secondly, we are told NOT ALL SPEAK IN TONGUES, but may have some other Gift.

The Gift isn't tongues, but Christ Himself.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/10


blog is about the miraculous "speaking in tongues" (i.e. the gift of the Holy Spirit), not about just speaking in other languages (i.e. the confusion of tongues that occurred in Babylon
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blog is about whether tongues is outdated for not witnessing the gift

confusion in tongues? it was God who miraculously CREATED many different tongues (languages) to confuse man ...not other way around

nowhere is there any verse implying True Christains must/should witness this gift OR "speak in tongues" seeing Christ and John the Baptist did NOT

religious deception teaches speaking unknown "language/tongue" just babbling incoherently where "interpreter decodes message"
---Rhonda on 10/29/10


I do not disagree with the gift of tongues, be it learned or spontainous. I myself speak three languages, two fluently.

But even if i did not have this gift of tongues, i would still have a place/ mansion in heaven.
---francis on 10/29/10


"All I can say now to all who disagree with the Gift of tongues. If things are working for you with out tongues then be Blessed. If you want to go to a higher high than anything this earth offers reach out and dance with the one who brought you to the Ball!
---kathy on 10/29/10"

While I totally agree with Kathy let me add this from Jude1: 18,19, and 20

"18-How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19-These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20-But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,"
---mima on 10/29/10


Rhonda:

This blog is about the miraculous "speaking in tongues" (i.e. the gift of the Holy Spirit), not about just speaking in other languages (i.e. the confusion of tongues that occurred in Babylon).

I have quoted several scriptures that say that if one speaks in tongues, there should be an interpreter. Can you show any that say that an interpreter is NOT needed?
---StrongAxe on 10/29/10




Rhonda:

You said:
The gift of tongues is the one in which there should be an interpreter.

*****

where is this idea in Holy Scripture?


POSTED: ---Rhonda on 10/25/10

no interpreter is needed

further you do understand it was God who created more languages (tongues) in Babylon
---Rhonda on 10/28/10


All I can say now to all who disagree with the Gift of tongues. If things are working for you with out tongues then be Blessed. If you want to go to a higher high than anything this earth offers reach out and dance with the one who brought you to the Ball!
---kathy on 10/29/10


"Unless you receive the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues you will not inter the kingdom of heaven"

That sounds very much like a cult.

Where is the scripture to support the statement?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/28/10


Unless you receive the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues you will not inter the kingdom of heaven.

You gotta be kidding.
---francis on 10/28/10


Rhonda:

You said:
The gift of tongues is the one in which there should be an interpreter.

*****

where is this idea in Holy Scripture?


Read 1 Corinthians 12 and 14, in particular: 12:10,30 and 14:5,13,26-27. In particular:
1 Corinthians 14:13
"Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret."
1 Corinthians 14:27
"If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course, and let one interpret."
---StrongAxe on 10/28/10




Wivv, Oooops. Sorry brother. Please forgive me. My mistake.

Lord bless you.
---trey on 10/27/10


TREY: Think you either ment your remarks for someone else or read what I wrote concerning "tongues" wrong. "Tongues" is a gift from God, and like any gift, it's just that a gift and not all of us have to same gift. Speaking in tongues has nothing to do with salvation or a persons spiritual maturity.
---wivv on 10/26/10


Rhonda,
What I have written is from experience and is indeed scriptural.
With the gift of tongues there should an interpreter and with the evidence no interpreter.
I have no plans on going farther with this however as I do not wish to blasphemy the Holy Ghost nor cause others to do so by questioning it.
The Holy Ghost is an area that too many take too lightly today.
---Frank on 10/26/10


a couple of quick points. The tongues spoken of on Pentecost were understood by all and needed no interpreter.
In the passage in 1 Corin. there is a big IF not a mandate of when.
The word unknown was not in the original manuscript, in all good bibles it is in itilics showing that it was added by the translator.
---Harold on 10/26/10


What---Rhonda on 10/25/10 says is correct. And those who question tongues should carefully read it.
---mima on 10/26/10


1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course, and let one interpret. 1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church, and let him speak to himself, and to God.

The Corinthian church was very prosperous very quickly and spiritual matters were out of control. Paul did not want to debate, but he did want to stop this out of control behavior. By limiting it, he thought it might end the non-sense. however, paul is human too, and no matter what he tried, it did not stop flesh.

Flashforward to now. the evil spirit has not subsided in fleshly desires.
---aka on 10/25/10


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The gift of tongues is the one in which there should be an interpreter.
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where is this idea in Holy Scripture?

attempting to indicate person speaking is speaking an UNKNOWN language and someone "interprets" this unknown babbling

you do understand word tongue represents language - right?

per Holy Scripture In book of Acts the account of tongues each man spoke in his own language and everyone heard these men speaking IN their own language ...TRANSLATION I speak english to someone who speaks french they hear me in french, when they speak french I hear them in english

no interpreter is needed

further you do understand it was God who created more languages (tongues) in Babylon
---Rhonda on 10/25/10


I have witnessed both.
There is the evidence of speaking in tongues and the gift of tongues.
The evidence of speaking in tongues is prayer.
The gift of tongues is the one in which there should be an interpreter.
Not only are these often mistaught, but are typically denied by faiths that do not believe in them.
It's sad when those who do not believe in it try to teach a person who has both the evidence and gift and tell them it doesn't exist.
It's like me telling you cars do not exist when you own one.
I may believe with all my heart there are no cars but you would know I do not know what I am talking about.
The same with tongues.
Those who have the evidence, the gift or the gift discerning the gift of tongues know.
---Frank on 10/23/10


Salvation does not depend on having the gift of tongues.To have the gift is having more of Him who created you, by that I mean you are closer to the Flame. You are not just following the cloud. You begin to feel the closness of the Creator. You feel the fullness of His love.If you went to the bank to draw out money and you only took what you thought was there and you were still hungery and you were about to die of starvation. Then someone told you that there was more, wouldn't you want it?
---kathy on 10/23/10


You need to do some serious Bible study friend. The gifts of the Spirit, including tongues, are for those that are saved, not to receive salvation. Not all gifts are for all believers, God gives those that are needed by that person at that time. Paul teaches that even the gift of tongues will pass away, but three gifts will last forever, Faith, Hope, and Love. Forget the tongues if it stands in the way of these three.
Gift can also be changed by the Spirit as the Christian matures and the need changes, except for these three.
---Harold on 10/11/10


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term mansion is used BY Christ (WHEN translated PROPERLY) is used to describe positions of authority - Christ is preparing for positions of authority - HIS to give when he returns to rule earth from Jerusalem seeing we are heirs according to the promise given to Abram Gal 3:16,29 Rom 4:13 Gen 13:14-16, 17:4-5 Psalm 37:29

rooms within temple were mansions ...Christ a Jew understood each room held a different position of authority

seeing those who receive eternal life will reign with Christ on earth and Christ plainly stated we could not go to heaven John 13:33 Rev 11:15,18

a Kingdom is a government ...Gods government on earth His laws followed on earth not mans rules and regulations of today those will be destroyed
---Rhonda on 10/10/10


//So it is much more important to look at inward fruits of the Spirit than flash and superficial outward signs.//

Mat 7:22

Amen.
---aka on 10/10/10


Pentecost tongue not an unknown tongue~true
Tongues of men and of angels, speaking not unto men but unto God, speaking mysteries, requires interpretation~unknown tongue
---Linda on 10/10/10


A lot of what you say are false. Are you that ignorant? Only the Blood will get you to heaven. You can speak in tongues until you drop dead and still go to hell. God passes out spiritual gifts to each believer as He sees fit. Spiritual gifts will not save you, nothing but the Blood. Tongues is just another spiritual gift. Just as the gift of giving, the gift of prophecy, is. Are you gonna tell me that if one do not have the spiritual gift of prophecy that they will go to hell? Tongues++++spiritual gift. That's it!
---catherine on 10/10/10


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Our church once had a missionary from the Phillippines. He spoke in a language I could not understand, so he brought an interpertor so we could understand what he was saying.
---shira3877 on 10/10/10


The word "tongues" means languages. The Pentecost tongue spoken of in Acts chapter 2, was not an unknown "tongue". It was understood by everyone in the room in their own languages.
---Gloria on 10/10/10


Nowhere does the Bible say that speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation, and nowhere do the apostles ever use it as a yardstick for determining if someone is saved. They DO, however often speak of faith and belief.

Also, remember that the devil can counterfeit the wonders of God, even "to deceive the very elect, if that were possible" (Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22). So it is much more important to look at inward fruits of the Spirit than flash and superficial outward signs.
---StrongAxe on 9/18/10


Oh, for goodness sakes, When God comes to you in all His power and splendor, He does not make an requirement of you. When He saves you. He never says, in order for me to save you, you must speak in tongues or any other tongues. Tongues are a gift just like the gift of giving and the gift of prophecy, these are handed down as God wills it to his elects.
---catherine on 9/9/10


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Iames 5:14, Is anie sicke among you? Let him call for the Elders of the Church, and let them praye for him, and anoint him with oyle in the Name of the Lord.

h (placed before Elders), The gift of healing was then in the Church.

i (before 'oyle'), Which in those dayes was a SIGNE of the gift of healing, but now the gift being taken away, the SIGNE is to no use.

k (concerning ''in the Name of the Lord''), explains, In calling on the Name of the Lord.


William Tyndale, a Bible translator wrote, ''The Scriptures spring out of God and flow vnto Christ, and were given to lead vs to Christ. Thou must therefore go along by the Scripture as by a line, until thou come at Christ, which is the way's end and resting place''
---Kev on 9/6/10


The blind, the halt, the lepers, the deaf, and the poor have been told by false teachers, ''Unless you speak in tongues you will not inter the kingdom of heaven.'' Yea, they've been told by false teachers even from birth that unless they receive their bodily healing by faith, they have no faith.

William Tyndale wrote this, ''As soon as God's worde is believed, the faith spread abroad, then cease the miracles of God.''

The 1560 Geneva Bible at Iames 5:14 makes clear William Tyndale's beliefs...

h, The gift of healing was then in the Church.

i, Which in those days was a signe of the gift of healing, but now the gift being taken away, the sign is to no vse.

k, In calling on the Name of the Lord. (last sentence)
---Kev on 9/6/10


1 CORINTHAINS 12,10 TO another the working of miracles, to another prophecy,to another discerning of the spirit,to another divers kinds of tongues,to another THE INTERPERTATION of TONGUES.
(When tongues were being done there was someone to interpert it - this is when the BIBLE was being written. IF this was happening today it would be added revelation.The Bible put in a safe guard on this)
REVELALATION 22:18 FOR I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this book,IF any man SHALL ADD unto these things,GOD SHALL add him the plagues that are written in this book
---RICHARD on 9/5/10


For what a man seeth.
Why doth he yet hope for?
(Is hearing any different)

But if we hope for that we see not
Then do we with patience wait for it!

Likewise!!
The Spirit also helpeth our infirmities
For we know not what we should pray for
(As we ought!!!)
But the (Spirit itself) maketh (intercession for us)
(With groaning) which (cannot be uttered!)
{No problem, lets take these lines out. OK!}

And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth
What is the mind of the Spirit!!!

Because he maketh intercession for the saints
According to the will of God!

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
---TheSeg on 9/4/10


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#2 part to my first response is that the Bible says we MUST build ourselves up on our most holy faith by praying in the Holy Ghost (tongues or private prayer language) Jude 20. How do you get this private prayer language, only by being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
---Leslie on 9/4/10


Except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken?
For ye shall speak into the air!

There are -- so many kinds of voices in the world,
And none of them is without signification!

Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice!!
I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian!
And he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me!

Forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts!
(Seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church!)

Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue!
(Pray that he may interpret!)

For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth!
But my understanding is unfruitful!

Feed My Sheep!
---TheSeg on 9/4/10


There is a GREAT misunderstanding of the gift of tongues. 1st tongues and baptism in the Holy Spirit do NOT save you, ONLY Jesus Christ does this - the baptism of the Holy Spirit and tongues are just an additional gift of power for the work of ministry. If you want power to minister the Gospel, and for people to really listen to you, then you MUST have the baptism of the Holy Spirit which the EVEDENCE of this is speaking in tongues (your own private prayer language that does NOT need interpretation). The GIFT of tongues (different than your private prayer language) is for the COOPERATE body, and MUST be paired with the Gift of INTERPRETATION. ALL of what I just said lines up with what the Bible says.
---Leslie on 9/3/10


trey: I don't understand your statement. Tongues is NOT a requirment for salvation. Read what I stated.
---wivv on 9/3/10


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I agree very much with this statement,
"The Gift of the Baptism of Holy Ghost with tongues is an empowerment to me,a completedness,not my salvation" by Darlene.
But those who do not have the gift are in complete darkness as to the truthfulness of this statement.
---mima on 9/3/10


The Gift of Tongues and the Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with Tongues are two different Gifts. They have two different purposes. The Gift of Tongues is one of the Gifts of the Spirit 1 Corinthians 12:4-11,it must be used with interpretation and is intented for body ministry. The Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with Tongues as the evidence of the Baptism is given for empowerment,Acts 1:8,so a person can serve God in ministry and the Spirit. These two Gifts are often misunderstood and thought to be one,but they aren't. The Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost comes to one before the Gifts of the Spirit because until you recieve the first Gift of Baptism you will not have Gods power for the second Gifts of the Spirit/HG.
---Darlene_1 on 9/3/10


All 'believers',-as those willing to rely on, trust in, adhere to, and depend upon the Father,-has received their 'mansions',-as a place of rest in the Father's abode, through the indwelling presence of the His Spirit-in this life.
When we acknowledged our innate sinfulness, and our need of the salvation granted us through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, He indwells us.
Jesus' rise from the dead and ascension to the Father verified for us that His payment for sin was sufficient, and accepted of the Father, cleansing us from all unrighteousness. Therefore that promised place for us in Him, and that condition within us for Him, has been prepared and occupied. "Tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe, but to unbelievers."
---Josef on 9/3/10


Michael, the above statement is NOT TRUE. The Gift of speaking in Tongues is just that, a Gift. Not all Christians receive the same Gifts from the Holy Spirit! Now the Fruits of the Spirit are a horse of a completely different colour. The Fruits of the Spirit are things that EVERY Christian is to strive for!
---Gordon on 9/3/10


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Wivv, I am still looking for a proof text that says that tongues are necessary for salvation.

I Cor 2:4-11. I find no mention of speaking in tongues in those verses. I understand Paul to speak of the wisdom of God revealed unto through his Spirit. It is by his Spirit that we are born again, have faith, believe in God, trust in his word, etc. And it was by the Spirit of God that the Saints of Old spoke in tongues.

Last of all, please forgive me if somehow I gave you the impression that I believe salvation is obtained by any other means than God's grace. It was by his grace that he sent his Son. It was by his grace that we receive forgiveness for sin. It's by God and his grace that live and move and have our being.
---trey on 9/3/10


Hallelujah, when you say this one word.
How many tongues?
Paul explains in 1Cor. 14:22 that "tongues" were a sign to unbelievers and were not to be exercised unless one was present who understood them and could translate them. This restriction disposes at once of the modern so-called tongues which are nothing but jargon and hysteria. It so happened that here on this occasion at Pentecost there were Jews from all parts of the world, so that some one would understand one tongue and some another without an interpreter such as was needed at Corinth. The experience is identical in all four instances and they are not for edification or instruction, but for adoration and wonder and worship.
As the Spirit gave them utterance
Done!
---TheSeg on 9/2/10


That is a lie, straight from Hell. Not one scripture verse supports it, and it is a stumbling block to young believers to spread such a lie.
---Trish9863 on 9/2/10


Sounds to me like you already have your mind made up about what answer you want.

As I've frequently said on this issue:

1. Too often I've seen in Pentecostal churches people taught how to speak in tongues. If it's something that can be taught it's not a gift, but a technique.

2. Those who supposedly have the gift of tongues have just as difficult time learning Biblical languages as those not so sanctified.
---Cluny on 9/2/10


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michael,

do you speak in tongues, and could you give us a little sample?
---atheist on 9/2/10


You have got to be kidding. There is no Biblical proof, (when the Scripture is taken in proper context) that tells me I have to speak in tongues to inter into heaven. While a valid gift, it's just that-a gift and not everyone has all the gifts. Added to that, the Apostle Paul puts tongues as a lessor gift.
(1 Corinthians2:4-11) He also gives specfic intruction on how the gift of tongues is to be used. But, your most serious mistake is implying I must work for my salvation and it's not by God's grace.
---wivv on 9/2/10


The Apostle Paul state this:
1Cor14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

Please give me scripture stating that speaking in toungues is necessary for eternal salvation.

By the way, speaking in toungues does not mean speaking jibberish. It means to speak in a foreign language.
---trey on 9/2/10


God gives us different gifts & not everyone will speak in tounges. I do not beleive in the pentecoastal believing of everyone must speak in tounges. God knows his sheep & his son is our shepard. He knows who will enter & who will be destroyed.
---Candice on 9/2/10


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Give a Scripture that teach Speaking in Tongues is necessary for salvation.

By any chance, have you read what Saint Paul wrote in 1 Cor 12-14?

Do you agree or disagree with our holy, glorious, all-laudable Apostle Paul?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/2/10


michael....I think you are spouting Oneness doctrine and not Bible doctrine. There is no scripture that supports your idea that a person must speak in tongues to go to Heaven.
---KarenD on 9/2/10


Please give the scripture which says that speaking in tongues is a prerequisite for entry into the kingdom of heaven.
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/2/10


There is no verse in the Bible that says you won't get into Heaven unless you speak in Tongues........His word Never changes AMEN!!!
Katie
---Katie on 9/2/10


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I am a tongue speaking Pentecostal but that isn't what will get me to Heaven nor anyone else. Romans 10:9,10 If you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus,and shall believe in your heart God raised him from the dead,you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness,and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 1 John 5:3 Those things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God,that you may know you have eternal life,and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are you saved through faith,and that not of yourselves,it is the gift of God. The Gift of the Baptism of Holy Ghost with tongues is an empowerment to me,a completedness,not my salvation.
---Darlene_1 on 9/2/10


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