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Obama's Plan To Soak The Rich

Is President Obama's plan to soak the rich that provide most of the jobs for the United States a good idea in the middle of a recession?

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Elder, Your confusion is your own confusion, and your confusion is not my mind from Christ. I am proven to be a saint which is sent here by Christ, by doing the very works which Christ commands me, and you blaspheme me because you are not from Christ.
---Eloy on 9/19/10


Tom, Our very first African-American president knows exactly what he is doing. He did not get to where he is today because of affluence, but because he is smart. Let him do his job, for he is doing it very well.
---Eloy on 9/20/10


Eloy, now even you are being confused by what you post. You said, " Elder, if you were black and maltreated because your skin was black and not white..." You indicated what you thought. Now you recant.
I was not "dissing a saint." I was dissing you.
Everytime you are trapped you say the same thing differently. (Study US history some more. You might just find out that Obama, if he is black, would be the second not the first.)
---Elder on 9/19/10


Higgins:

It doesn't really matter HOW much African he is. The point is that he isn't a 100% white Caucasian (which all the previous presidents were). Now that Americans have gotten over the hurdle of electing a non-white president, race should no longer be such a major factor in presidential elections (as it generally isn't much in gubernatorial, senatorial, congressional, judicial and other elections). Once we get the first woman in the white house (whoever that should be), gender should no longer be that much of an issue there either (as aagain it isn't in those other kinds of elections).
---StrongAxe on 9/19/10


Elder, I do not care what color your skin is. And there is no thoughts of Eloy going astray on this issue, only thoughts of a disser whom foolishly mocks the saint. History 101 for the unlearned: 1, Slavery and racist segregation of blacks and whites is a historical fact of American history. 2. Rich white landowners owned black slaves to work their plantations. 3. Since the first president of the US was elected, none of the presidents were black, not until 43 presidents and over 220 years later do we have the honor and privilege now of a very honorable and distinguished gentleman to lead our country today.
---Eloy on 9/19/10




"Now that we have had an African American president, race need never again be a campaign issue." - Strong Axe

Contrare, contrare, my friend. The leader of this Obamanation is not an African American...he is a HALF-rican American. And, yes, I invented the term. Pretty clever I thought. :0)
---Higgins on 9/19/10


Anyone who adheres to the mindset of soaking the rich has fallen for the marxist ploy of "class warfare" or "class envy", and has become what Marx called "useful idiots." Such covetous concepts are incompatible with Christianity. Indeed, Marx said that "religion is the opiate of the masses." So be careful whose side you are on.

Reagan cut taxes and saved the economy. Bush cut taxes and produced an economic boom. Arguments to the contrary deny facts and support marxist ideology.
---jerry6593 on 9/19/10


Economics 101 has, of late, emphasized Keynesian economics which has never, in real life, proved to increase employment appreciably. The policies of this present administration is a case in point.
Strongaxe --- I'm afraid your memory is faulty (if you were an adult during the Reagan administration).

Inflation averaged 12.5 percent when Reagan entered office, was reduced to 4.4 percent when he left.

Interest rates fell six points.

A total of 21 million new jobs were created.
.
There was an eight percent growth in private wealth (total private wealth of the population as a whole)


---Donna66 on 9/18/10


StrongAxe, if you truly believe taxing or taking money out of the economy will create jobs and prosperity, not be disrespectful to you either, but solving math problems is not your strength either. The first course in college economics would prove your statement as being incorrect. It's simple math.
---Alan on 9/18/10


NurseRobert: "When the damage done by Bush is fixed..

Now, answer my question.. were you this concerned when your republican presidents ran up the debt (including your beloved Reagan)?"

It amazes me that people blame the president for surplus or deficit revenues. When clinton was president, they said that he ran up a surplus, but who had control of congress?

When Bush ran a deficit, who had control of congress?

Now Obama is president who ran up the highest deficit and push through bills contrary to what the public wanted. Who had control of both the presidency and congress?
---Steveng on 9/18/10




jerry6593:

Probably around the same time the statute of limitations on "Blame Clinton" and "Blame Obama" run out.


Alan:

That's what Reagan taught - the converse is that lower taxes stimulate business owners to create jobs. This was the theory behind "trickle-down economics". Yet what ACTUALLY happened was that instead of money being poured in at the top trickling down to the workers at the bottom, it made the fact cats at the top even richer.
---StrongAxe on 9/18/10


Rob not be disrespectful, but solving math problems is not your strength. One needs to look at the two percent to solve the problem not the 100 percent. The two percent in the top bracket are mostly successful business people whom own small business of 50 people or less. These small business owners are doctors, lawyers, and hundreds of other types of small business owners. As a mentioned before, these people lay people off and/or spend less money on other goods that keep people employed. There is no free lunch. Economics 101 states higher taxes equals an economic slowdown which causes people to lose jobs.
---Alan on 9/18/10


Oh great and not so powerful Jerry...

When the damage done by Bush is fixed..

Now, answer my question.. were you this concerned when your republican presidents ran up the debt (including your beloved Reagan)?
---NurseRobert on 9/18/10


Nursey: I'm still waiting for an answer to the question:

When does the statute of limitation on the Blame Bush dodge run out?

Hint: Another question is not an answer.
---jerry6593 on 9/18/10


Eloy it is apparent that you dont know or refuse to acknowledge where and how slavery started in this country or who stopped it. It was not the black folks that stopped it. They had no way or means to end slavery.
Since you know so much of what I have been exposed to tell me what "color" I am?........... (Another Eloy thought gone astray.)
---Elder on 9/18/10


Elder, if you were black and maltreated because your skin was black and not white, then you would understand the black community's advancement of negroes in all aspects of society in order to improve the equal treatment of blacks as whites. And it would make no sense to promote the advancement of the white race when they are the ones responsible for enslavement and maltreatment of the blacks. This prejudice exists also in the maltreatment and injustice of the sexes, where women are treated better than men in this society, therefore organizations like, "Fathers for equal rights", etc. exist today. And these organizations, which desire only to have the same fair treatment as all deserve, are indeed approved of Christ and not antiChrist.
---Eloy on 9/17/10


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Trav:

When will you pay attention to what I ACTUALLY say, instead of putting words into my mouth? As I have stated to you here on at least three occasions, I do NOT defend Obama or his policies. I merely point out that many of the criticisisms levelled against him are unjustified, unsubstantiated, and in many cases, libellous. However, those criticisms that are actually true and verifiable are perfectly fine.

Others do you the courtesy of calling you by the name you choose. You should return that courtesy (unless, of course, you WANT them to insult you (i.e. by the Golden Rule)).
Regardless of how I may disagree with your views or your methods, I don't go around twisting your name into things like "travesty".
---StrongAxe on 9/16/10


Trav:In case you ever actually read any posts I have made on the subjects, I was not defending Obama - rather, I was pointing out that many criticisms of him were unjustified (something very different).---StrongAxe on 9/16/10

If you will notice direct reference to how I percieve your handle is perfectly open and direct rather than shy and cowardly insinuation or defense of the undefensible. Kind of like Jesus, labeling vipers or foxes. As far as cases go...scripture plainly addresses the truth/justifications of what I've posted. As your (unchristian) defense of abortion,perversion leaders underscores accurately the other.
---Trav on 9/16/10


Trav:

Personal attacks ("obamanation", "dull hatchet", "disseloy") do not strengthen your case. Name calling is petty and immature. Please grow up.

I do not "worship Obama". Like any human, he does some things I approve of, and some I don't. I have never before mentioned his race. For you to accuse me of racism based on this zero evidence is just plain libel. Now that we have had an African American president, race need never again be a campaign issue.

In case you ever actually read any posts I have made on the subjects, I was not defending Obama - rather, I was pointing out that many criticisms of him were unjustified (something very different).
---StrongAxe on 9/16/10


Since - I'm surprused the two of you don't get along better, as you both seem to share the same black-and-white view of people (i.e. people are 100% good or 100% evil).
---StrongAxe on 9/15/10

Pretty interesting analogy you have in making yourself an altar boy.
Problem with the two of us is I resist being yoked with those who call "evil promoter/leaders" good and good "bad". That is why I think you represent a dull hatchet instead of a strongaxe. You just don't see the difference either. You worship abomy like disseloy. It is his color/race you both are worshipful by your defense. So you're both basically what you accuse others of....racists.
---Trav on 9/16/10


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Eloy it makes no difference if Wright left the church. It is still a raciest bias org. Some of their precepts and covenantal statements are,
"Commitment to the Black Community
Commitment to the Black Family
Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System."
This is not for all people just blacks.
Replace the word black with white and you would be outraged.
---Elder on 9/16/10


strongax, I do not revile, but more correctly even as you yourself have experienced, I judge righteous judgment and rightly condemn every false tongue.
---Eloy on 9/16/10


Steveng, Oh? Oh. Barack's withdrawal was morally the right thing to do, for if I was a member of a church where the pastor mocked the US troops, and spoke inflamatory words and racist remarks against the Jews, I would rightly leave that church also. And I would not consider returning again unless the antiChristian pastor was replaced by a Christian pastor.
---Eloy on 9/16/10


President Barack Obama is keeping his word and is bearing good fruit.
---Eloy on 9/16/10


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Steveng:

You said: his life is a complete mystery as he spends three million dollars to hid all his past records.

You said: There are three ways to achieve each level of political (and college) positions: ... three, bribes. The last two are typical Chicago politics and he's very good at them as revealed by what he is doing as president.

So you DID say that he spent $3 million, and imply that he used bribery.

I often write 150-200 word responses and must cut and combine multiple sentences into one to fit responses into the 125-word limit.

When I quote, I give chapter and verse (and if room permits, actual KJV text) - which people can directly verify for themselves.
---StrongAxe on 9/16/10


If Trinity UCC of Chicago is listed among the constituent congregations of the United Church of Christ (the original Pilgrim Father's church), which it is, then it is a church, and what you think about it doesn't matter, simon.
---Cluny on 9/15/10


There you go again Cluny. Why bring facts into the discussion.

As of tonight it looks like the GOP will block the tax cut for the bottom 98 out of concern for the top 2. Nice.
If Bush didn't want a predecessor to sunset the taxes he should have made the tax cuts revenue neutral and then he could have made the tax cuts permanent. He couldn't and so they didn't.
---larry on 9/15/10


Eloy:

Since Trav is often reviling Obama (and anyone who even dares to speak one word that isn't against Obama) with words like "poser" and "obamanation", and you are often reviling many here by calling them "sinners", "dissers", "unsaved", accusing them of "false witness", "you have no light in you", etc. - I'm surprused the two of you don't get along better, as you both seem to share the same black-and-white view of people (i.e. people are 100% good or 100% evil).
---StrongAxe on 9/15/10


StrongAxe: "Bribery is another matter. Do you have any evidence that Obama bribed officials $3 million to illegally hide or destroy public documents?"

Do you twist bible verses like you twist my posts?
---Steveng on 9/15/10


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Eloy: "President Barack Obama withdrew his membership from that church."

If you knew the whole story, his withdrawal was merely a public relations strategy.

Eloy: "You ask me what a Christian is, Eloy is Christian"

Oh?
---Steveng on 9/15/10


\\Does anyone know since when Trinity United Church has become a church? It had always been a social club under the name of Christ. I think it is simply a non profit organization.
---simon on 9/14/10\\

If Trinity UCC of Chicago is listed among the constituent congregations of the United Church of Christ (the original Pilgrim Father's church), which it is, then it is a church, and what you think about it doesn't matter, simon.
---Cluny on 9/15/10


Trav, Obama is not convicted by your false witness and hatred, for the innocent are wholly above reproach,
... Give back the stimulus money he has given you, pack your bigotry bags, and leave the country.
---Eloy on 9/15/10

Ha. He would be giving me my own money....if I'd made any off stimulus. He has never made a nickel that wasn't someone elses. He thinks income tax in the form of a government check is making money.
I'm more of a citizen than poser husseiny will ever be.
But, I'm also as a visitor, my country is the one GOD's prophets looked for. Not the one the false prophets,government worshippers have found.
Their leaders are here on this earth. And they consider them innocent eye c.
---Trav on 9/15/10


Trav, Obama is not convicted by your false witness and hatred, for the innocent are wholly above reproach, but you are rightly reproached and rightly convicted for your openly bearing of false witness. As I hace suggested to you dissers before, if you really hate our President so much, Give back the stimulus money he has given you, pack your bigotry bags, and leave the country.
---Eloy on 9/15/10


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Well, we need to get off this kick. I agree the worse things seems or perhaps they are is a perfect opportunity for a dictator to move in on our country. But, we still have some power. It's called ballots. Hallelujah....Don't underestimate the wills of Satan, for he is most cunning. If he can bring down our country, weakened it, he'll use whatever means that's at his disposal.
---catherine on 9/15/10


Jerry, were you this concerned when your republican presidents ran up the debt (including your beloved Reagan)? Where was your outrage then? Heck, the republicans have never seen a deficit they didn't like.
---NurseRobert on 9/15/10


An unanswered question for you lefties: When does the statute of limitation on the Blame Bush dodge run out? The 'fool on the hill' has run up the national debt more in 19 months than all presidents from Washington to Reagan combined. Take off your blinders folks before there's no conutry left to argue over!
---jerry6593 on 9/15/10


Any tax increases for the so called rich and business will be passed on to the so called middle class and the poor. There will be more gov handouts to provide for the poor who can't afford the higher prices because of the tax increase on business. To pay for that, taxes will again go up this time on the middle class. Then the middle class becomes poor. So you see where this is going? Tax cuts are like saying the gov owns your monie before you earn it. THEY DO NOT! The gov has an addiction, and it's our monie the're after. Socialism is fine until you run out of other peoples monie.
---wayne on 9/15/10


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Obama was educated as a muslim, he spent twenty years at a church that cursed America,
.... he thinks he knows better than the people by forcing obamacare upon the people.
It's not what he says, it's what he's doing that convicts him.
---Steveng on 9/13/10

Notice Steveng, that some that defend....stand with his abortion and sodomite agenda.
It just does not matter to them...he is one of them...they surmise. This is more important, than what he really is. May be its the $$$ too. So this is their gods and what they worship.
Many do not know that through this tainted health care curse we will all be supporting/financing abortions....
Even the dullest hatchet can figure this out....if it is made known.
---Trav on 9/15/10


Does anyone know since when Trinity United Church has become a church? It had always been a social club under the name of Christ. I think it is simply a non profit organization.
---simon on 9/14/10


Elder, Jeremiah Wright is no longer pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, he resigned, and Reverand Otis Moss III is the pastor there now. And because of Mr. Wright's public racist and infamatory remarks, President Barack Obama withdrew his membership from that church. I have not heard of any bad remarks from this new pastor, as was with Jeremiah Wright.

You ask me what a Christian is, Eloy is Christian: The Christian is born-again from Christ, and worships Christ only, and obeys Christ's commandments.
---Eloy on 9/14/10


Pretty soon there won't be any rich people. They are all gonna be taxed to death...
---catherine on 9/13/10

catherine, you are the only one that I have ever heard give the above economic analysis.
Most people believe that the rich are getting richer, the middle class is disappearing, and the poor is getting bigger from the fallout. the rich are the catalysts of tax law.
---aka on 9/14/10


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Steveng:

There are a LOT of things about people that others want to know. Fortunately, privacy laws protect them from such snoops.

All government records are public and can be examined (except if sealed by courts, or state secrets). Individuals can't just spend money to have document sealed.

Bribery is another matter. Do you have any evidence that Obama bribed officials $3 million to illegally hide or destroy public documents? If so, that would be a major story indeed! If there was any evidence of this, surely one of his opponents would have used it to get him impeached.

As for public relations, how is Obama different from every other politician out there (half of whom get elected, and half of whom don't?)
---StrongAxe on 9/14/10


Eloy I can see I asked you the wrong question. I should have asked you what is a Christian. I realize this will be hard for you but what have you heard? I have heard something different than has been displayed by Wright. You know the guy who pastors and teaches that church.
If a fundemental Pastor/Church did what they have you'd be screaming so loud it would sound like an earthquake. Do you really have any idea what God's Salvation is all about?
---Elder on 9/14/10


StrongAxe: "As far a spending his own personal money to hide his own personal records, that is his right to privacy as a citizen,.."

As president, wouldn't you want to know a little about his background besides just the positions he held? Like how well he performed at each?

There are three ways to achieve each level of political (and college) positions: One, by doing a good job, two, by political pull and, three, bribes. The last two are typical Chicago politics and he's very good at them as revealed by what he is doing as president.

Besides, what is he hiding that he needs to hide every document in his life?

As for his books - nothing but a public relations strategy. Dry as a bone.
---Steveng on 9/14/10


StrongAxe: "If you don't like it, tough..."

Gosh, I was stating a few facts, Why do you condemn me?

"As far a spending his own personal money to hide his own personal records, that is his right to privacy as a citizen, just as your own privacy is your own right."

If you needed to hire someone to run your company, wouldn't you want to know more about his or her background? Like what colleges he attended, how he performed, any extracurricular activities, grade point average, etc.? What about other positions in other companies and how he performed in each?
---Steveng on 9/14/10


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Yes, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where Barack Obama was baptized, is a black christian church. Their SOF (Statement Of Faith) can be found online at http colon forward-slash forward-slash www dot trinitychicago dot org forward-slash index dot php question-mark option equal-sign com underscore content ampersand task equal-sign view ampersand id equal-sign 20
---Eloy on 9/14/10


Steveng:

Right or wrong, the majority of American voters chose Obama. His background in school, religion, and Chicago politics was well known, since his opponents were very keen on pointing it out. He said he was going to reform health care. Given all that, the majority of american voters chose him.

If you don't like it, tough. Take it up with the majority of Americans, since he is their choice.

As far a spending his own personal money to hide his own personal records, that is his right to privacy as a citizen, just as your own privacy is your own right. Whatever is in public records is open to all, and nobody can just "spend money" to cover it up.
---StrongAxe on 9/13/10


If a child grew up learning that one plus one equals three, he will definately carry that idea for the rest of his life. And, he will debate anyone who says otherwise.

Obama was educated as a muslim, he spent twenty years at a church that cursed America, he played politics as a community organizer - and worse, he played Chicago politics.

Now, as president, he thinks he knows better than the people by forcing obamacare upon the people. He has an opaque government, makes deals behind closed doors, his life is a complete mystery as he spends three million dollars to hid all his past records. It's not what he says, it's what he's doing that convicts him.
---Steveng on 9/13/10


Well, I think it STINKS! If there weren't so much waist in Government, there wouldn't be any need to be raising taxes on us poor citizens, rich or poor. Pretty soon there won't be any rich people. They are all gonna be taxed to death. Come on Jesus. Come on Jesus....I meant every word of it. Stone me I don't care.
---catherine on 9/13/10


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I suppose Rob you are joking if you don't think the rich pay most of the taxes and provide most of the jobs? Surely you don't believe the poor create the jobs and pay America's taxes? The middle class doesn't create the jobs either and they pay only a small portion of the taxes in relationship to their income.

It is a simple economic fact that when taxes increase GNP drops. However, I think it is a good Democratic plan as they will get voted out of office as the unemployment rate starts to increase as the rich start laying more people off to pay for tax increases.
---Tom on 9/13/10


Tom, I reject the premise of your question.

Soak the rich??? Just how is that happening? Because he rejects retaining tax cuts, tax cuts that had a built in destruction date when the right wingers wrote the bill??

And "provide most of the jobs??" Where is your proof of that?
---NurseRobert on 9/13/10


Elder, "This thereupon know, that in final days people will be desecrating speakers, unholy, slanderers, not lovers of good. If they have called the Lord of the house beelzebub, how much more them of his household? And because I tell you the truth, you all believe me not. Which of you maligns me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do you all not believe me? The person that is of God, hears God's words: you all therefore hear not, because you all are not of God. Throw away from you all your disobedience whereby all you have disobeyed in them, and make for yourselves a new heart and a new spirit, for why will you all die? For I do not desire the death of the one who dies, says the Lord Yhwh, so turn and live you all."
---Eloy on 9/13/10


Eloy, please, do not be so upset with the rest of us. Yes, it is disrespectful to talk negative about the presidents office, however, this blog is generally speaking is rather mild on this president who brought all of the criticism on himself by the way he runs the office and also because of what he'll try to "change" if he is not stopped. Do you really believe that turning this, once great nation into European Socialist democracy (and the word democracy here is applied loosely) deserves respect and could be called Good?
I'm sure you'd disagree with me on this, and that's alright because you still can, since we still live in democracy, thou I'm not sure for how much longer. God Bless.
---simon on 9/13/10


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Eloy, do you have a copyright on Loony Tunes? You said, President Barak Obama professes to be Christian, and was baptized in the early 1990s at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago." Do you call that church Christian? How about the speaker Wright?
Then you say, "In my lifetime I have never heard of so much foolish flack spoken against an American President of the United States." Then you must be around two years old.
I can not receive your lies because I am Born again and you are lost and serving Satan. (I just said that before you did.)
Can we call you Mr. Disser?
---Elder on 9/13/10


Saw some interesting stats:

Comparing republican vs democrat presidents from 1948-2005.

Under democrat presidents, growth in income for all income levels had an averaged growth of about 2.1% across the board. Each level of income grew about the same rate.

Under republican presidents the average growth in income was 1.9% for the richest income levels but only 0.4% for the poorest.

Makes me wonder just who is soaking who?
---NurseRobert on 9/13/10


In my lifetime I have never heard of so much foolish flack spoken against an American President of the United States, and much of it from sinners whom wrongly call themselves Christian. You dissers are bent on dissing everything and anybody that is good, shame on you.
---Eloy on 9/12/10


It never amazes me in these end times to find so much ignorance among people concerning business, politics, and especially the christian life.
---Steveng on 9/12/10


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Eloy:

The reason the government funds many projects is that without such help, nobody else could do them. Without government funding, we would have no interstate highway system, no publicly-regulated air space (preventing collisions between private airlines) nor airways (preventing interference between private radio+TV stations). Much medical science would not exist, because it would not be in any private company's interest to fund most of the research, most of which does not result in results that can be monetized.
---StrongAxe on 9/12/10


strongax, again, if any person wants to squander money, do it on your own dime, not the governments. For it is unwise to squander money that you do not have. Complete foolishness, no wonder the country is in deep debt. The governement needs to learn to say "NO, loud and clear" to whenever people have their hand out asking for money for nonsense.
---Eloy on 9/11/10


Eloy:

Even though some research subjects may seem ridiculous, they DO make sense to those who actually understand the science involved.

For example, in your example of finding out how grasshoppers procreate. Under the right circumstances, grasshoppers turn into swarms of locusts that cause tremendous architectural damage. If scientists can find out just HOW they procreate, they can find out ways to stop them from doing so.

Several years ago, I read how they found ways to reduce some insect populations by breeding males in captivity, sterlizing them, then releasing them into the wild, so most females would mate with infertile males and lay no eggs.
---StrongAxe on 9/10/10


Larry, That is interesting. I know that the government has squandered away too much monies on nonessential things like generous grants for large amounts of monies to organizations to promote research and find out how grasshoppers procreate- this is total foolishness: when there are many people homeless, starving and hurting the government should not be allocating any monies at all to this type of activity. And foolish people are more concerned about saving the whate or the owl or abandoned and hungry beasts, rather than human beings. Complete foolishness, no wonder the country is in deep debt. The governement needs to learn to say "NO, loud and clear" to whenever people have their hand out asking for money for nonsense.
---Eloy on 9/10/10


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President Barak Obama professes to be Christian, and was baptized in the early 1990s at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago: "It is a precept of my Christian faith that my redemption comes through Christ, but I am also a big believer in the Golden Rule, which I think is an essential pillar not only of my faith but of my values and my ideals and my experience here on Earth. Barak says, "what was intellectual and what was emotional joined, and the belief in the redemptive power of Jesus Christ, that he died for our sins, that through him we could achieve eternal life but also that, through good works we could find order and meaning here on Earth and transcend our limits and our flaws and our foibles- I found that powerful."
---Eloy on 9/10/10


Obama, just loves it, it somehow, so he believes, lets him off the hook, when he can spend all of his term in office, and make things triple worse and at the same time blame others. I suppose no matter what grave mistakes he will make in the next three years, Bush did it. This is HOGWASH, too..... It started in the "Garden of Eden" with Adam ad Eve.
---catherine on 9/10/10


A question for you lefties: When does the statute of limitation on the Blame Bush dodge run out? The 'fool on the hill' has run up the national debt more in 19 months than all presidents from Washington to Reagan combined. Take off your blinders folks before there's no conutry left to argue over!
---jerry6593 on 9/10/10


Larry: You fail to mention the war deficit that was caused by Bush's lies.
---Trish9863 on 9/9/10


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My God has everything under control and waits for his children to petition, praise and trust him.
*****

WHICH god? 2Corin 4:4 ...otherwise you are sadly mistaken prayers of petition are for somegood you seek

seeing MY FATHER in Heaven determines who reigns as Kings in THIS gods world I fully comprehend by praying for an outcome that may be AGAINST HIS wishes IS most certainly to pray for Satan

when you understand Holy Scriptures TRUE Christians pray to be kept from EVIL and pray for GODS WILL to be done

praying for some "petition" is to seek your will and the will of whatever BRAND of christianity you serve

you cannot petition yet claim to pray for Gods will to be done
---Rhonda on 9/9/10


Agreed Eloy, my point was the Bush tax cuts were forced by a provision to include a "sunset" because it added to the deficit and thus the sunset forced a reconsideration of its financial efficiency. Sunsets were designed to force an efficiency review of costly deficit busting programs, however it is used now to hide the cost of programs and tax cuts in particular. Republicans never mention this.
The fact is both parties spend too much but the 1 trillion dollar health care bill is dwarfed by the cost of Bush's Medicare Part D and the tax cuts. No one screaming now was screaming then. Hypocrites.
---larry on 9/9/10


You think Obama is planning to "soak the rich"? If so, it's only to undo all the damage caused by George W. Bush's tax cuts that soaked the middle class but left the rich alone.
---StrongAxe on 9/9/10


Oh, get real! Unbelievers don't know what they are doing, and this includes the president of the U.S. of America. If unbelievers knew what they were a doing this world would not be in the Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, mess that it's in. Now, I feel sorry for people who depends on leaders to make their lives better. I DO! There is just going to be a lot of disappointed people.
---catherine on 9/9/10


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Larry, the President was handed "gigantic mess" from many many years of poor management when he took office. He is doing his best to "restore and clean up" the mess. Noone should be expecting him to turn this economically devastated country around overnight.
---Eloy on 9/9/10


Did you ever consider why when the GOP passed the taxcuts it had a sunset instead of permanent provision? Please do your homework and comeback with a better question about tax cuts for the bottom 98 vs. top 2%.
I don't like tax cuts for anybody but the intellectual vapidness and assumptions with some of these questions is scarier than apocalpytic scenarios. Good grief people.
---larry on 9/9/10


Rhonda, "The people have no say?"
Let me know what God you worship and I will worship annother.
My God has everything under control and waits for his children to petition, praise and trust him.
We can follow Mormons to Washington marches, leftist social ministers who compromise the truth or believe in a God who fought the battles for those who obeyed and trusted him to march around a city 7 times.
We are at fault for the country going down the tubes. Don't ever suggest prayer and fasting can't and would not turn around a country. Conservative politics provides no answers. Its back to the Bible.
---larry on 9/9/10


Obama is simply applying the tactics he is most familiar with. The old class envy - class warfare model of the poor against the rich is straight out of his beloved Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. This anti-Christian doctrine of covetousness has ruined many Communist nations. Obama is on a path to ruin ours.
---jerry6593 on 9/9/10


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How about the "Cash for Clunkers" plan? How many real needy people were able to take advantage of this program. It is simple you had to be able to afford a new automobile to benift from this program. Again the liberals said it was a great gesture.
Then the 10 million for a "fish Czar" to study fish and their actions.
The eagle on our money is working hard as money just flys away. At least he got a job.
Now since school has started and teachers are back maybe we can say the jobless rate has dropped.
---Elder on 9/9/10


Karen these are not tax cuts to the rich, but instead tax increases to the rich. As a business owner, it just means that I have to let an employee go to pay for the higher taxes. How does that help the economy or the person that wants a job? It will have the opposite effect of what Obama is attempting to accomplish.
---Tom on 9/8/10


whether it is a good idea or not is irrelevant

In 2011 the powers that be on earth will invest triple digit millions into their presidential campaigns

Obama passed a healthcare plan that if Americans understood it properly - the MAJORITY did not want it

as John Marshall stated the power to tax is the power to destroy

America is in the process of being destroyed - the citizens have no say

democracy freedom and liberty are the propaganda the government sells the masses

If Obama and the powers that be want the masses to believe the rich will be "soaked" they will do so under any illusion necessary

or do you think the 700 Billion bailout "helped" the average American?
---Rhonda on 9/8/10


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