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Abraham's Isaac And Ishmael

Genesis 22:2 says "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest," Why did God tell Abraham that Isaac was his only son? Was not Ishmael also Abraham's son?

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Donna5535 answered it exactly. GOD promised a son to Abraham. And, this son had to be born from the womb of his wife Sarah. That was how GOD set it up. But, in a moment of the take-over of the flesh, Sarah took it upon herself to make the son be born by having Abraham marry Sarah's handmaiden and have them beget a son through Hagar, the handmaid. But, that son, Ishmael was birthed from the womb of Hagar. The promised one was to come from Sarah's womb.
---Gordon on 10/14/10


I think it was because Issac was the Son of God's promise (to Abe to give him a son) and Ishmael was NOT born of the promise, he was born of the flesh.

Thus the Arabs and Israel are at war to this day.
---Donna5535 on 9/13/10


It is a common misconception that the Arab nations sprang from Ishmael.
Genesis 25:1-6 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name [was] Keturah. And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah...All these [were] the children of Keturah. And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac. But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.
Gen 16:12 And he(Ishmael) will be a wild man, his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
---micha9344 on 9/13/10


Because Abraham and Sarah was in a hurry to have a son they forgot Gods promise and Sarah like most us women got what she ask for , she ask her husband to lay with her bond servant Haagar and he did gladly most men don't have to be ask twice. Ishmael was born in bondage and Issac was born from a Promise from God through the Prophet. Then Abraham and Sarah because of their not being patient, reaped what they had sowed. A curse because of disobedience Walla the Muslim tribe from out of the loins of Ismael was born and we as Christians from the seed of Abraham Issac and Jacob.
---Lea on 9/13/10


Of the 12 tribes of Israel ,how many were "legitimate"?
Similar reasoning!
There's no hidden meaning here,Abraham simply went ahead when Sarah could no longer conceive (naturally)
---1st_cliff on 9/11/10


Ishmael was born out of doubt and lack of faith.
Issac ligitimate heir, was a impossibility.... a miracle fulfilling a promise.

All 14 tribes of Israel were ligit. Jacob found favor.
And too the person that thinks Judah,jews equal all Israel....they need to take some notes from the end of Revelations back to Genesis.
Not multiple use of words "For ever" and "Everlasting" for confirmation. You may get to see another miracle. Eze37 confirming.
---Trav on 9/13/10




Sin is Sin mate, No little No big according to some! Just plain old simple SIN.

So please stop the stereotyping.
---Carla on 9/12/10

Sorry if I am "stereotyping".

I'm just stating what I've learned from Government reports, Police Crime reports, and personal observations in my church.

Many folks are dependent on the Government for their lives. In some cases, the cause is economic conditions, some involve sin, some involve other conditions.

People are people. Life isn't always fair. Sin is all around us. Nobody's perfect.

We need to "trust" Jesus more and more!
---Sag on 9/12/10


Lord forgive me, but are any of these name important?
Is anything they did in their lives important?
Is not the promise the only thing of importance?
And is not Christ the fulfillment of that promise?

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Why did God tell Abraham that Isaac was his only son?

Is it not just so we can know without any doubt!
That this Christ, was, is, and will be, the only name!
Whereby we must be saved!

But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach,

Jesus Christ!
---TheSeg on 9/12/10


Josef said, "Both Isaac and Ishmael were Abraham's children." Muslims claim Ishmael is the first born of Abraham. Both statements are true. Yet, Isaac is "the first born of promise."
Isaac was the only son of Abraham that was of supernatural birth. God promised an impossible thing, a woman past the age of physical and natural ability would give birth. This made Isaac "the first born of promise." This was a miracle birth. The Hagar birth of Ishmael was a natural birth conceived in sin.
Isaac was an example of Jesus' birth. Remember, "Behold a virgin shall conceive and bring forth a baby." Impossible? Look at Isaac's birth.
All things are possible with God according to His purpose.
---Elder on 9/12/10


"Both Isaac and Ishmael were Abraham's children. Isaac was the son by which GOD's people came, and Ishmael was the son by which the rest of the world came." Amen Augie, as witnessed by Rom.9:4-16.
"Now we, brethren, [as believers who acknowledge and confess the lordship of Jesus, as the Word of God, according to the Spirit], as Isaac was, are the children of promise. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. For those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. To Abraham it was clearly spoken "I [The LORD] have made you a father of many nations"." Gal. 4:28>3:29>Gen. 17:16
---Josef on 9/11/10


Sag,

forget the sociologists whose analysis easily pours scorn an the poor and afflicted. Sin is sin which is what you are forgetting, since you feel that crime is set only in the household of those who only have one parent,

Explain how the children's homes are full of children where their parents Are Married? Those children are equally as evil as the ones who's parents are Not married?

it's easy to make assumptions!

How is it that church folks the divorce rates are spiralling out of control following the World's example of re-marriage?

Sin is Sin mate, No little No big according to some! Just plain old simple SIN.

So please stop the stereotyping.
---Carla on 9/12/10




Isaac was the son of promise. God's Jewish people came from this line. Ishmael was not condemned by God. He was also given a promise that he would become a great nation, who are the Arabs, ect. Needless to say they are at each others throat.
God, in this passage, was simply speaking about Abraham's son Isaac.
---Elder on 9/10/10

Both Isaac and Ishmael were Abraham's children. Isaac was the son by which GOD's people came, and Ishmael was the son by which the rest of the world came.

Another way to illustrate this would be the people who look to GOD -- Isaac's descendants, and the people who look to other gods, like Allah, -- Ishmael's descendants.

GOD sent JESUS CHRIST to "save" people who trust other gods.
---Augie on 9/11/10


God intentions were to try Abraham's love, to see if he loved God more than his son, and to try his faith in his promise concerning descendants....Ishmael never enjoyed the status of son as Isaac did. "The code of Hammurabi, shows that a man's offspring by a slave woman were not ordinarily given the rights that belong to the son born of his wife. "only begotten" refers to status.
---catherine on 9/11/10


Sarah was past menopause so Abraham figured unless he had someone else he would not have an heir!
(no different thinking than you or I)in his position!
No "lust" involved !

Hagar was just to be a surrogate here.

Of the 12 tribes of Israel ,how many were "legitimate"?
Similar reasoning!
There's no hidden meaning here,Abraham simply went ahead when Sarah could no longer conceive (naturally)
Solomon had a thousand wives and concubines!
God had a plan for Abraham and Ishmael didn't fit into His purpose!
---1st_cliff on 9/11/10


The Hebrew word here is "Ben/bane." It means many things. One application meaning is "a builder of the family name." There was only one son, fathered by Abraham, that was going to build a name for the purpose of God.
Isaac was the son of promise. God's Jewish people came from this line. Ishmael was not condemned by God. He was also given a promise that he would become a great nation, who are the Arabs, ect. Needless to say they are at each others throat.
God, in this passage, was simply speaking about Abraham's son Isaac.
---Elder on 9/10/10


So you think that God curses children (or what is the same thing, withholds blessings) because their parents couldn't keep their clothes on before marriage?
---Cluny on 9/10/10

We ALL pay for children who are born "outside" of GOD's plan.

No, these children are not "cursed" or "not blessed". Instead -->

Increased Welfare and Public Health Care costs.

Increased crime: Murder, Rapes, Robberies, Burglaries, etc.

This "lifestyle" is often carried into the CHILDREN's lives. A "mom" has a "daughter" out-of-wedlock. Then the "daughter" becomes pregnant. And so on.

Schools often have to deal with these children's bad behavior.
---Sag on 9/10/10


\\I believe that this was an EXAMPLE to the rest of the world. Follow GOD's plans if you want your children to be BLESSED.\\

So you think that God curses children (or what is the same thing, withholds blessings) because their parents couldn't keep their clothes on before marriage?

This is NOT what the Bible says.

Not one but TWO prophets of the OT talk about this: Jeremiah 31:29ff, and Isaiah 18:2ff.
---Cluny on 9/10/10


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Later in the Bible, Deuteronomy 23:2 uses the term BASTARD to describe children born "outside" of GOD's plans for his people.

I don't believe that GOD is saying that children like Ishmael, or children born out-of-wedlock, are: bad, cursed, bound for hell, etc.

Instead, GOD is saying that children born within a FAMILY, like Isaac was, will be BLESSED. Isaac was the fulfillment of GOD's PROMISE to Abraham and Sarah.

While is it BIOLOGICALLY possible for children to be born in the same situation as Ishmael, life is difficult for these children. And their families.

We can see the same results in today's families.
---Sag on 9/10/10


Ishmael was illagetamite because he was born of the fleshly desires, NOT of the promise. Therefore, Isaac being the son of PROMISE, was the ONLY lagetamite son.
---Leslie on 9/10/10


Good question, mima!

I think it was for two reasons:

1. Ishmael and Hagar were no longer living with Abraham.

2. It was through Isaac and Sarah that Abraham's descendants would be counted.
---Cluny on 9/10/10


Isaac was conceived, and born, according to GOD's design for the family. By a man, Abraham, and a woman, Sarah, who were COMMITTED to each other in LOVE.

Ishamael was conceived, and born, according to the ways of the world, and SIN. Abraham had an extra-marital affair with his maid servant Hagar. Ishmael was conceived as a result of SIN, which GOD deplores.

Both Isaac, and Ishmael, were BIOLOGICALLY Abraham's sons. However, only Isaac was SPIRITUALLY conceived according to GOD's plan.

I believe that this was an EXAMPLE to the rest of the world. Follow GOD's plans if you want your children to be BLESSED.
---Sag on 9/10/10


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