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Do you have to be a member of a local church to enter through the gates of Heaven? Is the local churches what makes the Body of Christ or is it the believers of Christ that make the Body?

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The Bible states it's sorrowful repentance and believing in Jesus for your salvation. I believe this can be accomplished whether you're a church member or not.
---JohnK67 on 12/9/10


In Matthew the xvi. chapter (William Tyndale's New Testament translation), And I say also vnto thee that thou art Peter: and vpon this rocke I wil buylde my congregacion. And the gates of hell shall not preuayle against it.

The gates of hell shall not prevail against it. A hearty Amen!

William Tyndale wrote, Upon this rocke/ that is/ as sayeth saint Austen vpon the confession which thou hast made/ knowledgynge me to be Christ the Sonne of the living God: I buylde my congregacion or churche.

This is correct, that Christ is the head of the Congregation or Church. And, the Congregation is the body of believers who truly believe in Christ. Let NO ONE tell you otherwise. Ever.
---Kev on 12/8/10


Is the local churches what makes the Body of Christ or is it the believers of Christ that make the Body?

Very good question! The Protestant Reformer William Tyndale addressed this question head-on in his Bible translation and godly writings.

Read William Tyndale's New Testament. The Greek word is translated as the ''Congregation''.

William Tyndale wrote, And when the Pope challengeth authority ouer his fellow bishops and ouer all the congregation of Christ by succession of Peter, set before thee the first of the Acts where Peter for all his authority put no man in the room of Iudas, but all the Apostles chose two indifferently and cast lots desiring God to temper them that the lot might fall on the most ablest.
---Kev on 12/8/10


You do not have to be a member of a local church to enter through the gates of Heaven!If you beleive that Jesus is the Son Of God and you have excepted Him as "your" Lord and Saviour then you will enter. Jesus is the only door thought the gates of Heaven. Then you must walk each day with Him and He will teach you what His will is for your life. However attending a local church will help a new beleiver because it allows you to have help from other beleivers. Choose Christ not a religon.
---kathy on 10/29/10


isn't that what Pat robertson & 0700 club do? after you pray with him you are told to call their 1800 & pledge money to him. all of Pat robertson's teaching should be obeyed or you are call a liberal.
---bill on 10/4/10




Richard, you gave the passage, Tares and Wheat, and that the tares would be bundled up and burn. Then you say what you get is that the church is all tares. How did you come out with that if both were in the Church? Maybe you wanted to make a different point and I did not get it. Sorry if I misunderstood. I do sometimes.
---MarkV. on 10/4/10


MARKV - CHECK OUT
MATTHEW 13:30 - Let them grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest.GATHER YE TOGETHER THE TARES AND BIND THEM in to bundles to burn. gather the wheat into the barn.
( What I'am getting in the end the churches are all tares, there being setup or bound up for judgement.)
---RICHARD on 10/3/10


Roy, very good points about the Church. We know there is many churches that have become apostate. We were warned that would happen. Tares always enter the Church. Some here even suggest it is a hospital for those who are sick. Everyone is welcome. The problem is once they are there they bring their own ideas, and corrupt the assemblies. Some times churches lose their pastors and get temps to cover, and some times for a long time, and they bring in false teachings, to where pretty soon, the only one's left are people who believe their false doctrines. We have been given discernment and should know which ones to stay on and which not. Find a good teaching Church, they are out there. Many genuine believers are gathering and helping each other.
---MarkV. on 10/1/10


This is part of the scripture concerning the way the assemblies or gatherings should be also you will see that money is not involved because their provisions would be taken care also once they left the town or village the members of the assembly were to continue meeting in the members houses not go build a physical building because that would distract us from serving God.

(Matt 10:5-10 [NET])
Jesus sent out these twelve, instructing them as follows: Do not go to Gentile regions and do not enter any Samaritan town.
Go instead to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
As you go, preach this message: The kingdom of heaven is near!
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
---Royll on 9/30/10


If you notice that Jesus said freely received, freely give in the previous part. that means that we are supposed to be receiving the gospel free we are supposed to be taking care of the Church building or the pastors. A lot of them know this but never preach directly on it

(Matt 10:9-13 [NET])
Do not take gold, silver, or copper in your belts,
no bag for the journey, or an extra tunic, or sandals or staff, for the worker deserves his provisions.
Whenever you enter a town or village, find out who is worthy there and stay with them until you leave.
As you enter the house, give it greetings.
And if the house is worthy, let your peace come on it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
---Royll on 9/30/10




When genuine believers tell other believers to not go to Church they are promoting to abandon the church of Christ. The very reason the Church of Laodicea had no believers in it, and bore the name of Christ. Many are drawing true believers away from the church, and leaving only tares. Paul knew that after he departed, wolves would come among them,
"For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among youselves men will rise-up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciplles after themselves" Do you hear that? drawing disciples after themselves" this is what is happening here.
---MarkV. on 9/30/10


\\Cluny, 22 years ago I co-founded a non-profit organization to help others in their time of need or distress. We do have a 501(c)3 status which is very diffult to receive in the world we live in today, This is because of the abuse of others.\\

But this is not a church, is it?

I was on the board of a community orchestra which applied--and got--501c3 status very easily.
---Cluny on 9/30/10


I hear so many saying that the visible Church is a creation of satan. Steven G specially, who has posted hundreds of this ideas. And from that, many buy in to the idea that you don't have to go to Church. Anywhere, where genuine believers gather, who are spiritually baptized into the body of Christ, is called the visible Church. Christ even spoke of that Church in Matt. 18:15-17. Was He promoting something from the devil? I don't think so. The gathering of genuine believers is not a promotion of satan but of God. Paul said, "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the Church of God which He purchased with His own blood" Acts 20:26-28.
---MarkV. on 9/30/10


No, there are many that have entered heaven that have never been to a church. And the body of Christ are the obedient to Christ, no matter where they are located on the earth.
---Eloy on 9/27/10

WHO ARE THEY?
---FRANCIS on 9/29/10


No, there are many that have entered heaven that have never been to a church. And the body of Christ are the obedient to Christ, no matter where they are located on the earth.
---Eloy on 9/27/10


Which local assembly would it be?

the Body of Christ is made up of true believers, in the gospel revealed to Paul 1Cor 15:4
---michael_e on 9/25/10


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Jerald, you yourself should be careful what you learn at your institution. Stop giving advice to others, take your own advice to heart. You even mention, "it takes works" Let me explain something, when God saves someone, it is not by any Works we do, but by the works that Christ did on the Cross. Sure, many denominations have wrong teachings, because they came from the RCC, the largest institution in the world. No other institution pocessed so many traditions of man, idol worship, paganism, heathenism and corruption that spread to all denominations when they split from the RCC.
That's why the real Church of Christ consist of all true born again believers who are spiritually baptized into one body in Christ. Not an institution.
---MarkV. on 9/25/10


Acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Added to what?
He added to the church.

The "local church" idea is local a congregation of believers who are part of a world wide body of believers.
The church is a world wide body. If I left my home today, and went to France, I do not have to "search" for a church. I would go to THE CHURCH.
---francis on 9/23/10


The true body of Christ is not a denomination, a non-profit organization or a building. Joining a denominational church is a burdon upon a person.
---Steveng on 9/22/10


Cluny, 22 years ago I co-founded a non-profit organization to help others in their time of need or distress. We do have a 501(c)3 status which is very diffult to receive in the world we live in today, This is because of the abuse of others.

Even though we are living in difficult and trying times we try to avoid asking people for support. We thankfuly accept support from those who choose to help without our coercing them in any way.

During the past 22 years, no person who has been associated with the organization has ever received a salary. Everyone serves on a voluntary basis without any compensation of any kind.
---Rob on 9/21/10


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Cluny: "To my knowledge, only independent ministries are set up as 501c3 corporations."

All churches, whether they are denominational or non-denominational (which include but not limited to Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic, Buddhist, or Muslim) are set up as non-profit especially churches having a building and having donors. Donors could not deduct their donations if the church were not non-profit.
---Steveng on 9/20/10


\\Most USA churches are set up as Non-Profit corporations, or "artificial" citizens, and are EXEMPT from paying taxes. \\

I don't know where you get your information, Augie.

Mine is not set up as a 501c3, and no church I've been affiliated with it.

As a general rule, charitable, educational, and religious institutions are exempt by local and state law from taxes.

Though in my home town of Birmingham, First Baptist was willed a motel by a deceased member. Since this was not directly related to the church's ministry, it had to pay taxes on it.

To my knowledge, only independent ministries are set up as 501c3 corporations.
---Cluny on 9/15/10


One should be careful of what they are learning in a church or sect. The Catholic Church teaches and offers the fullness of Christ (Scripture, Holy Sacraments, morality, doctrines, etc), so therefore, it would be the most logical (and safest) Church to be a member of. It is the True Body of Christ that encompasses all of Christianity. It takes work, but is well worth it in the end.
---Jerald_Archer on 9/14/10


No, but churches will tell you to become a member of their church.

You are yoked to HIM, not to a church.

It is the TRUE BRIDE of CHRIST and the TRUE BELIEVERS in Jesus, who practice and walk in God's ways and Obey His word that makes up the "Body of Chirst."

We become like Him, changed into His image, thus we are called, "THE BODY" of Christ. Amen?
---Donna5535 on 9/13/10


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Church membership does NOT make you a Christian, just as standing in a garage does NOT make you a car. The ONLY thing that leads to salvation is repentance (confessing and turning away from sin) and accepting Jesus Christ as savior and Lord (boss) of your life. Read Romans 10:9-10, it explains how to get saved. Also, the building is NOT the church. The Bible says that we (humans) are the church 1 Corinthians 6:19, 2 Corinthians 6:16.
---Leslie on 9/13/10


// Is the local churches what makes the Body of Christ or is it the believers of Christ that make the Body?//

local church has nothing to do with BoC

lot of thoughts very little scripture

To find out about the BoC ask the man it was revealed to, our apostle Paul
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another
---michael_e on 9/13/10


\\In the USA, churches are set up as non-profit corporations or companies, which are man-made citizens. \\

Not all, Augie, not all.

---Cluny on 9/12/10

Most USA churches are set up as Non-Profit corporations, or "artificial" citizens, and are EXEMPT from paying taxes. This status allows donors to deduct their charitable donations on their annual tax forms.

If you need more information about this, I suggest visiting the IRS website. ChristiaNet rules don't allow posting it here.

Perhaps YOUR church doesn't use the business model I just described. That is fine, but the church itself MUST be paying taxes, and donors WON'T be able to deduct their charitable donations on their annual tax forms.
---Augie on 9/13/10


I agree with both---catherine and --Sag and what they have to say.
---mima on 9/12/10


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No. Confessing Jesus is saviour is what the first step is. belonging to a church doesnot, however it does help to go to a bible based church to have the fellowship.
---candice on 9/12/10


Denominational churches - each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible - are a creation of Satan who is the father of division. Satan has divided the christian family up into their own cults.

The true church is nothing more than a body of christians. They meet anytime, anywhere having two or more.

Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," "comfort," and "encourag" because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestlye, not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational churches.
---Steveng on 9/12/10


... and the bickering among christians is never ending...

"Did you go to church today?"

"Our church raised one million dollars last week."

"Our church is better than your church."

"Our church is the only church that goes strickly by the bible."

"Our church has a better pastor."

"Our church has a better entertainment."

"Our church has better christian programs."

"Our church has (this) or has (that)."

"Our church _____________." (fill in the blank)

...and the list goes on and on.

Want a Christ-centered christian life? Get away from a denominational churches.
---Steveng on 9/12/10


\\In the USA, churches are set up as non-profit corporations or companies, which are man-made citizens. \\

Not all, Augie, not all.

**Between 65% -- perhaps as high as 90% -- of church members are lost**

And how did you come up with this statistic, catherine?

Can you summarize your methodology, including number of individuals you questioned, and how you were able to determine who is saved and who is lost?
---Cluny on 9/12/10


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Between 65% -- perhaps as high as 90% -- of church members are lost. It is the believers of Christ that makes the body of Christ. These are things which Satan does not want you to know. He loves ignorance. Most church members are lost, never have received the new birth. You just have to believe God, eyes on Him and off man.
---catherine on 9/12/10

I think that many people, especially in the Good 'Ole Christian USA, have fallen for the LIE that "going to a church on Sunday GUARANTEES them passage into Heaven when they die". That is a LIE.

Many church members, of every denomination, don't seem to know what LIVING a Christian life means. I question if they are Christians at all. But only GOD really knows.
---Sag on 9/12/10


OH PLEASE! Between 65%--- perhaps as high as 90% of church members are lost. It is the believers of Christ that makes the body of Christ. These are things which Satan does not want you to know. He loves ignorance. Most church members are lost, never have received the new birth. Discerning the trues from the false can be tricky at best. You just have to believe God, eyes on Him and off man. Hallelujah+
---catherine on 9/12/10


NO.

In the USA, churches are set up as non-profit corporations or companies, which are man-made citizens. I don't believe that GOD is any more concerned about a person attending the non-profit church ABC than GOD is about that person holding stock in the for-profit company XYZ.

In the Bible, the Church was, and STILL IS, the Body of Believers in Jesus Christ. Everyone who "believes" is a member.

Today, the Church has become the non-profit corporation that you donate money to and can use to claim refunds on your Internal Revenue Service (IRS) tax form. ChristiaNet is an example. Nothing wrong with this setup. The fellowship, and Internet bogging, with other Believers is still available.
---Augie on 9/12/10


The ancient Christian writers, such as Ignatius of Antioch made it clear that the local church was the universal church in microcosm--BOTH were the entirety of the Body of Christ. Or to put it another way, the fullness of the entire church could be seen only in the local church with its bishop, presbyters, deacons, and faithful.

The whole idea of an invisible church made up of "true" believers wasn't heard of before the Reformation. But this novelty was the only support for their agenda.

The thing is--why would you NOT wish to be a member of the Local Body? Otherwise, as St. Paul said on this very issue, it's "the eye saying to the hand, 'I have no need of thee.'"
---Cluny on 9/11/10


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you are saved first,then you along with every other believer are the church.
---tom2 on 9/11/10


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