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What Is The Lord's Day

Which day does the Bible say is the Lord's Day?

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MarkV: Do you have any idea how childish your arguments come across? What's next? It depends on what is is?
---jerry6593 on 9/25/10


Mark ... I have said the same to them before, but their claim is that Adam and all after him kept an exact record of the days as they passed, and they counted the days all the way from Creation till now, and so they know that Saturday is the weekly ****versary (anniversary would not be the right word, but you knowewhat I mean!) of that first rest day of God's

Those 7 days have been assiduously counted by all from Adam onwards, including the turmoil of the Flood and the slavery, and the wars, and the exiles, and was then translated onto the calendar we have now

I expect they can prove how many weeks it has been.
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/25/10


Jerry, no, you do not understand, Saturday is the seventh day of the week that man has called. Not God. Man made it the seventh day. I do not read anywhere, where God said, the seventh day was Saturday and you have not provided any passages only a lot of talk as always. If you did not condemn others for breaking the 4th Commandment, I would not be answering your traditional comments. All you had to do was say, that you do Saturday. And that would be great. But you are not happy with that. You have to condemn the others for not doing what you believe, and what you believe is false and not from God, but from man. I will praise God everyday of the week and rest on Christ always. You can rest on the law all you want.
---MarkV. on 9/25/10


MarkV: "They were aleady doing Saturday"

Finally!! You understand the the true Sabbath Day - the Lord's Day - is Saturday and not Sunday. You must have found a dictionary.
---jerry6593 on 9/25/10


AG: "There shouldn't be much of a debate on what day we should call Sabbath"

I agree! Anyone who can read should be able to determine from a calendar or a dictionary which day of the week is the seventh-day Sabbath - the only day blessed and made holy by God Himself. If that's not good enough, they could contact their nearest astronomical observatory for the answer.

But I don't think that ignorance of the Sabbath day is the real issue here. I think that justification for disobedience to God is at the heart of their obfuscations.
---jerry6593 on 9/25/10




Leej, that is what I meant when I answer Jerry. So many rules and traditions were added by man that put great burdens on everyone. As we all know God in order to control some sins, allows for goverments, states, cities to set laws. But many of them set burdens that burden so many in life. God is not responsible for that, man is. On the Sabbath, the leaders set burdens that God did not approve of. Just because God gave them the responsibility to govern, they took advantage of that responsibility. Just like the RCC Church did. No difference. Setting their own goverment as law, and calling it from God. I cannot understand why they cannot see their mistakes. They are so rapped up in their denominations that they forget the real Truth.
---MarkV. on 9/25/10


//A person cannot know that the sabbath day is from sundown friday to sundown saturday unless they go to a source outside the Bible.

It is interesting that when Ellen White was asked how one who lives above the Artic Circle knows when the Sabbath starts and ends as days in the winter are very short with the sun up only a few minutes if at all and long in the summer times when the sun shines all day long, she merely replied that one should not live in such climates.

The problem as I see it is how does one know if one has successfully observed the Jewish Sabbath? The Pharisees developed all kinds of criteria on this issue.
---leej on 9/24/10


Are there any Jews on this blog? If so, couldn't they accurately tell us exactly when the Sabbath is? They should have a clue since they've been observing it (in some form or fashion) for more than 4000 years. There shouldn't be much of a debate on what day we should call Sabbath if we knew when Moses, David and the Prophets observed Sabbath.
---AG on 9/24/10


2 of 2
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

We nonjews are GRAFTED into a good olive tree.
God did not plant a new tree, ....---francis on 9/22/10

You stated correct, GOD did not plant a new tree. Israel is the only Olive tree mentioned in scripture.
As posted...Israel was two parts....Nth house divorced...Sth house Judah Benj. These are the grafting. Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31+ prophets witness.
We should not have a problem, though with this. GOD can do what he wants....and with who, for reasons that have to be wonderful.
---Trav on 9/24/10


My point exactly, jerry6593.
A person cannot know that the sabbath day is from sundown friday to sundown saturday unless they go to a source outside the Bible.
Also, the Lord's day cannot be determined either without outside sources.
Who better to know what John was writing about than one of his disciples.
2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
Ignatius, a disciple of John, distinguished between the sabbath and the Lord's day, the latter being the day of our Lord Jesus Christ's resurrection.
---micha9344 on 9/24/10




Frances, I'm sure you understand very well. But you do not provide the passages I ask for. Then you turn around and ask me if I go to church on Sunday, if it is because I think that is the seventh day. Let me explain something to you, I go to Church on Sunday and on Friday's. Not because it is the Seventh day, but because those two days we have services. If we had them on Wed. I would go Wed. It does not matter to God when you worship, so long as you worship and learn about Him. What you are saying is learn from Him on Saturday only and if you don't you are breaking the 4th Commandment. You make Saturday a legal day. You set a law on believers who are in Christ as the Pharisees did. You put them under the law. We are not under the law Frances.
---MarkV. on 9/24/10


Jerry, you too could not provide a passage where God mentioned the Sabbath was on Saturday. Or that Creation started on Sunday and that God rested on Saturday. Not one passage. Now in order to make your point about the Sabbath the Old Testament people rested you say,
"MarkV: "Where in the Bible did God say that the Sabbath was to be on Saturday?"
Are you really that dense that you can't figure out a name for the day between Crucifixion Friday and Resurrection Sunday???"
Now you speak about the day of Crucifixion Friday, when the Old Testament people had not even seen Christ come. They were aleady doing Saturday, not because of the crucifixion of Christ. They had no clue to that day. Your point's are terrible.
---MarkV. on 9/24/10


MarkV: "Where in the Bible did God say that the Sabbath was to be on Saturday?"

Are you really that dense that you can't figure out a name for the day between Crucifixion Friday and Resurrection Sunday??? It is called the Sabbath day. If you need more help, you might consult a calendar or the dictionary - either one will tell you that the Sabbath day is the day we now call Saturday. The rest of the world knows this. Why are you the only one that can't figure it out?
---jerry6593 on 9/24/10


Here's a few more questions:
We all know the Creator rested on the 7th day, but why did he? Was he tired? Was he setting an example? If he was setting an example, who was it for? Did he himself continue resting or does he reserve his rest only for the 7th day?
---AG on 9/23/10


Exodus 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD:

HHMM when exactly did God say that?
If memory serves, the word sabbath appear here for the first time in the entire bible.
So when exactly did God say to moses anything about the sabbath?

Again if memory serves the very first time that God himself speaks the word " sabbath" is in Exodus 20.

Truth is abraham and his family kept the sabbath, it was while in Egypt that SOME forgot the sabbath.

Exodus 5:1 Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a feast unto me in the wilderness.

What FEAST were they going to celebrate?
---francis on 9/23/10


MarkV - The names of the days of the week are modeled on the seven days mentioned in the Creation story.

Even if the week was modeled after the creation events, there is virtually no grounds to believe that the Jewish Sababth was observed prior to the time of Moses.

Adventists have to ASSUME the creation started on Sunday and ended on Saturday.

In any case Francis has failed to support his view that Christians are under the Old Covenant laws and thus must observe the Jewish Sabbath.

Since neither the Apostles nor their immediate successors taught observance of the Sabbath, we have to conclude it was not mandated to the church.
---leej on 9/23/10


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MarkV. on 9/23/10

I am not sure if I am understanding your question. Help me to understand please.

Are you saying that you go to church on Sunday because that is the day Jesus was resurrected and it was the first day, or are you saying yo go to church on Sunday because you believe that Sunday is the 7th day?
---francis on 9/23/10


Frances, (the Sabbath day, or a Sabbath day) this is what matters, that God no where said the seventh day was Saturday. You still have not provide one passage. You make all this comments about others and have no Scripture from God where He Himself indicated the Seventh Day He rested was on Saturday, or that He said, everyone should rest on Saturday. Do you know for yourself what day He began His creation? Was it Monday or Tuesday or Saturday or Sunday? You do not know. God never mention what day He started on, so how can you legally make Saturday the Sabbath? Who gave you that right? You talk and talk about why someone else breaks the 4 Commandment, in the court room of God, you have zero evidence, only a legalistic attitude as the Pharisees.
---MarkV. on 9/23/10


MarkV. on 9/23/10

Ezekiel 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD, The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut THE SIX WORKING DAYS, but on THE sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

You are dead wrong.
It is not any one is seven that is the sabbath, It is a specific day. It is the same day on which God rested from creation.

Sorry One is seven would not do.
It is not called "A" sabbath day. Itis called "The" sabbath day.

I trust you know the difference between "A" and "THE."
---francis on 9/23/10


Try this:
Change out what James wrote for any two of the ten commandments. Find a pair that makes the verse false
Example:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
He also said:

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not worship other gods, said also, Do not worship idols.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not misuse God's name, said also, Keep the Sabbath holy.

James 2:11 For he that said, Honor your father & mother, said also, Do not steal

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not lie.
said also, Do not covet

James could have used any two of the ten!
---francis on 9/23/10


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Frances, again I have the same question for you. "Where in the Bible did God say that the Sabbath was to be on Saturday?"
Jerry never found a passage, how about you, or Rhonda. I don't want a passage where man made the Sabbath on Saturday but where God commanded the people to have Saturday and not Sunday or Monday or Tuesday. Also, there were other Sabbaths, on different days, why are those excluded and Saturday is the only one everyone grips about?
God said, work six days, and keep the seventh Sabbath. I do not see Saturday anywhere in there coming from God. Do you have a passage? Just one will do.
---MarkV. on 9/23/10


mima on 9/22/10
If you say that the law ended when christ die, then you are saying that a christians
can violate any ten commandments freely.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
He also said:

1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6.
7.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.

So the 4 commandment cannot be the only Law which has come to an end.
the whole law must end or stand.
---francis on 9/22/10


I am sure when francis faces off with God at the judgment seat he will be told that he failed in observing any of the commandments including the Jewish Sabbath.

At the end of the Sabbath day, if he were to ask himself if he had observed it, he probably would not have an answer as he may have done something in the eyes of God that would be considered work.

Christians, on the other hand, contrary to what some Sabbaterians would have us believe, simply hold that we who have believed in Christ have already entered into God's rest.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest,....


---leej on 9/22/10


The commandment part only makes it manditory.
*****

EXACTLY

and that "commandment part" only MAKES not lying, murdering, stealing, coveting, and practicing idolatry MANDITORY

what great lengths mortal men go to to serve obey and bow down to OTHER mortal man

carnal mind always seeking ways to disobey following false ministers claiming you can continue sinning in all forms as long as you obey moral laws of land cuz Christ kept it all just let his name drip from your lips

Christ didn't say Sabbath was abolished seeing HE and Apostles observed

Sabbath is still the LAST day of the week even rcc who established THEIR holy day of suns-day does not claim Gods Holy perpetual Sabbath was abolished
---Rhonda on 9/22/10


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it is NOT a principle, or a tradition. It is a commandment.

4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
---francis on 9/22/10

Glad you read my posts.

So, exactly how do you keep the Sabbath holy? What do you need to do to keep it holy? What does keeping it holy mean? Where do you keep it holy? When do you keep it holy, only on the seventh day or special sabbaths?

This is what I mean about it being a principle. The principle is to remember the Sabbath, and keep it set apart to God. God does not supply the specifics, tradition does.

The commandment part only makes it manditory.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/22/10


francis //The law as a schoolmaster refers to the EARTHLY SANCTUARY which taught the plan of redeeption, which is found ONLY through christ, and his blood.

Galatians 3:24-25 DOES NOT speak or even hint of any earthly sanctuary. It speaks only of the LAW.

Again, your theology is a foul since you fail to distinguish between the Old and New Covenants.

God made a New Covenant with Israel in which the Old Covenant became obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

And in chosing to totally ignore what the early church believed in, you will continue to remained blinded to the truth.
---leej on 9/22/10


Sorry Mark eaton, it is NOT a principle, or a tradition. It is a commandment.

Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments, and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Francis will not admit it but he really thinks he is Jewish and thus under the Old Covenant law. That is why he keeps advocating physical circumcision, the Jewish Sabbath, dietary laws and other laws that are strictly Jewish.

We should ignore him as he has nothing to contribute to the life of Christians.
---leej on 9/22/10


Sorry Mark eaton, it is NOT a principle, or a tradition. It is a commandment.

Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments, and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
---francis on 9/22/10


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2 of 2
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

We nonjews are GRAFTED into a good olive tree.
God did not plant a new tree, we are grafted in. Thus our FRUITS must be the same as those of the Jewish tree into which we are grafted.

That Good olive tree is ISRAEL, and we take full part in the root and fatness of the olive tree.

That is how we can tell TRUE christians from FALSE ONES. They are grafted into a Jewish tree, and are fed by the roots and fatness, their fruits look like jewish fruits: Diet, Sabbath, Jesus, and all.
The rest still look like the wild olive tree.
---francis on 9/22/10


You and I are not proselytes. We are children of God, joint-heirs with Christ. But we are NOT sons of Israel.

What you are fighting over is tradition.

The seventh day of the week in the Hebrew language is the word Sabbath. Sabbath means seventh day just as the word tithe means one tenth.

Just as God did not command all tithes be paid in silver coin, He also did not command us to observe the seventh day according to the Babylonian calendar.

No, it was tradition that established the seventh day according to the Jewish calendar, which the present Greek and Roman calendars do not agree with.

The sabbath is a principle, like the tithe, to be followed, but the day is set according to tradition.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/22/10


What does thou shall not kill tell you about Jehovah, that it does not tell you about Buddah? Nothing.

The law as a schoolmaster refers to the EARTHLY SANCTUARY which taught the plan of redeeption, which is found ONLY through christ, and his blood.

Once christ came, we no longer needed the earthly sanctuary model because he came and died.

No christian believes that once Jesus died that he or she was free to murder or to commit adultery.

But all believrs understand that the end ( GOAL) of the law was to point out or teach( schollmaster) the plan of redeemption which was centered around Christ.

PS Circumcision is also a blood sacrifice/ covenant.
---francis on 9/22/10


francis - what is your understanding of the following verses?

Galatians 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

A second more serious question to you.

Do you really know Christ? Or do you just have religion?

Please answer these questions!
---leej on 9/22/10


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francis - Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

So that is why you are still preaching circumcision.

Ge 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee, Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

Remember NOW your statement "No law given "through Israel" was for Israel only".

In failing to distinguish between the covenant given to Israel alone and that covenant given to Israel that included the Gentiles, truly makes your theology a huge trash heap.

You should give it up as no one is going to be convinced by what you have to say.
---leej on 9/22/10


Francis what is your understanding of this verse, Romans 10:4,
" For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

I believe it is saying that a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is freed from keeping the law in order to be righteous.

What do you say?
---mima on 9/22/10


---Mark_Eaton
To make this short and sweet, Israel was not called to be in isolation, but rather to evangelize the world. No law given "through Israel" was for Israel only.

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

That is why there were bothJews and proselytes celebrating pentecost.

Acts 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
---francis on 9/22/10


Not for Jews only: Isaiah 56:3
---francis on 9/21/10

I am sorry, I must chime in here.

Your Scripture above allows you to say that all Christians are part of the sons of Israel and must follow the Sabbath.

If I follow this logic farther, then the Deut passage that says the Sabbath is a covenant between the sons of Israel and God must include Christians. Still farther, the covenant between Abram and God about the land of Israel must include Christians.

Are you planning to inherit the land of Israel? I think not. We are NOT sons of Israel. We are sons of God grafted into the old tree. We use the tree but we are NOT the tree.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/22/10


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8 times in the New textement the bible speak against christians having the blood sacrifice
of circumcision, in none, not one of those passages doe sit mention Sabbath. Do you think it is a coincident?
I mean in every passages:
Acts 15:1 / Acts 15:5 / Acts 15:24 / Acts 21:21 / Galatians 5:2 / Galatians 5:3 / Galatians 6:12 / Galatians 6:13

Only Circumcision is mention. has it ever occured to you that this is ONLY about circumcision?

Do not you not think that is there was a sect of Jews not keeping the sabbath but believing in Jehovah that there would be a jewish uproar? Big enough to have it's own book, like galation for circumcision?
---francis on 9/22/10


Wow, and all I did was post scripture....
---micha9344 on 9/21/10


micha9344
Worse stuff than Lee and cluny

Not for Jews only:
Isaiah 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

TEN COMMANDMENTS NOT ENDED
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

laws NOT in the ten commandments did they end also:
Romans 1:27 men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another,
---francis on 9/21/10


francis -//WOW more nonesense

LET THE WORD OF GOD HE READ

1: Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day,

Yes, if you are Jewish you should observe the Jewish sabbath. No one is debating that.

Where you are lost is in your refusal to recognize the New Covennant did not command physical circumcision, Levitical dietary laws, or other laws that were strictly Jewish.

The Jerusalem council Acts 15 made that decision for Gentile converts.

You ignore that because you put your denominational views above Scripture.

During the Jewish rebellions of 70 - 135 A.D., the church would have been destroyed if it has been viewed as another sect of Judaism.
---leej on 9/21/10


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Exo 31:16-18 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant. It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Act 15:24 ...that certain which went out from us...saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:
---micha9344 on 9/21/10


In view of the FACT that all the writers in the early church spoke of the Lord's day as Sunday - the day of Resurrection - we are left with no other choice but to acknowledge that the Lord's day is Sunday - the Christian Sabbath!

---leej on 9/20/10
WOW more nonesense
LET THE WORD OF GOD HE READ
1: Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day,

2: Find out in whch century the name SUNDAY started to be used.

3: There is absolutely no such as thing as " christian sabbath" not even " jewish sabbath" for that matter.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God:
not jewish, not christiasn, not islam
---francis on 9/21/10


Lee: "The only place the 'Lord's day' is mentioned is in - Re 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lords day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"

Again you do show your ignorance of Scripture.

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Try to find a verse that says that Jesus is Lord of Sunday.

If you don't know which day of the week is the Sabbath day, then look to Jesus' followers for a clue.

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

It is the day right between Crucifixion Friday and Resurrection Sunday. Does that help?
---jerry6593 on 9/21/10


none of the verses in Acts you quote has any bearing on what day the Lord's day is.
leej on 9/20/10
Since the Lord made everything, then every day is really the Lord's Day.
Cluny on 9/20/10

Can the word of God speak for itself?

In this text what DAY is God calling his HOLY DAY?

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY, and call the sabbath a delight, THE HOLY OF THE LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Does God in any other passage refer to any other day as His Holy Day?
Are there any other days which God has blessed and sanctified?

---francis on 9/21/10


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francis - none of the verses in Acts you quote has any bearing on what day the Lord's day is. All the disciples did was to preach the gospel to the Jews who always gathered together on the Sabbath to worship.

The fact is you cannot find anything anywhere in the Bible that says the Lord's day is the Jewish Sabbath.

In view of the FACT that all the writers in the early church spoke of the Lord's day as Sunday - the day of Resurrection - we are left with no other choice but to acknowledge that the Lord's day is Sunday - the Christian Sabbath!

Sorry to bust you bubble but there is just too many things that prove Adventists are wrong in too many things.
---leej on 9/20/10


Since the Lord made everything, then every day is really the Lord's Day.

There is NO day that belongs exclusively to ourselves, that we may keep it in an unholy and profane manner.
---Cluny on 9/20/10


The Bible does not recognize Saturday or Sunday, but only recognizes that there are seven days in a week,
Therefore, a person may start with the Bible, but must reference an outside source for further documentation.
micha9344 on 9/20/10

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

I wonder if they had any concerns that the Sabbath day would be changed midweek, and they show up on the wrong day?
---francis on 9/20/10


The Bible does not recognize Saturday or Sunday, but only recognizes that there are seven days in a week,
Therefore, a person may start with the Bible, but must reference an outside source for further documentation.

micha9344 on 9/20/10

nonesense
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Not only did Jesus know exactly which day was the Sabbath day without looking at an outside source, he expected his followers years after his death to know when was the sabbath say as much as they knew winter.

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
---francis on 9/20/10


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We've gone over this before...
The Bible does not recognize Saturday or Sunday, but only recognizes that there are seven days in a week, nay it establishes the seven day week.
A person must go outside Biblical reference to link a given day of the week to it's current name.
Therefore, a person may start with the Bible, but must reference an outside source for further documentation.
And now for the anti-'sola scriptura' group to say 'aha', not really understanding what 'sola scriptura' is about.
---micha9344 on 9/20/10


The Bible does not tell us the day of the week of the Lord's day.
leej on 9/19/10

Sure it does

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY, and call the sabbath a delight, THE HOLY OF THE LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men,

Matthew 15:3 Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
---francis on 9/20/10


Francis -//Why not look IN THE BIBLE FIRST?
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The Bible does not tell us the day of the week of the Lord's day.

So we view what the early church writers believed as that reflects the view of those closest to the source. Virually ALL of the early Christians writers viewed Sunday as the Lord's day.

Lacking of historical information is one huge weakness for Adventists.

One thing most unlearned Adventists refuse to acknowledge is the early Gentile churches no longer observed the Jewish Sabbath by the end of the first century. The implication being that it was NOT taught in the early church by the Apostles and their immediate successors.
---leej on 9/19/10


francis-//Why not look IN THE BIBLE FIRST?
I am 100% sure that the UNCHANGING WORD OF GOD has something to say about THE LORD'S DAY.

There you go again francis, totally ignoring the obvious fact God established a NEW COVENANT with Israel NOT LIKE the one He made with them when they came out of Egypt.

Hebrews 8:8-9 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a NEW covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, ...

See also Jeremiah 31:31-34

God's unchanging word? Physical circumcision was required only in the Old Covenant NOT in the NEW.
---leej on 9/19/10


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Luke 4:10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
---micha9344 on 9/19/10


If we were to look at the writings of the early church, we would see that the Lord's day is Sunday.
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Why not look IN THE BIBLE FIRST?
I am 100% sure that the UNCHANGING WORD OF GOD has something to say about THE LORD'S DAY.

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY, and call the sabbath a delight, THE HOLY OF THE LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men,

Matthew 15:3 Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
---FRANCIS on 9/19/10


The only place the 'Lord's day' is mentioned is in -

Re 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lords day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

If we were to look at the writings of the early church, we would see that the Lord's day is Sunday. There is little other choice as virtually all the writers spoke of it as being Sunday- the first day of the week.

It is unfortunate that there are some that believe one must observe a certain day as holy since the Bible is very clear in Romans 14 that we need not do so.
---leej on 9/19/10


Do you have something new to say?
---Cluny on 9/15/10
Cluny, you speak as if this blog is to you alone. It is not. There a many people who read these blogs, who never post. Some are new, who have never heard the truth from the Bible regarding the Sabbath and what day is the Lord's day. The answers from the Bible are for them, not you, because you have already rejected the clear scriptural weight of evidence that shows what day is the Lord's Day and what day is the Sabbath.

The answers from the Bible are always the same, because God never changes, and is the same yesterday, today and forever. Hebrews 13:8. By the same token, the Sabbath is the same, still being the 7th day, or Saturday. It is the Lord's Day.
---Gina7 on 9/18/10


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francis, you're rehashing stuff you've posted before.

Do you have something new to say?
---Cluny on 9/15/10


None can come to understand or believe Jesus Christ in print or Spirit, apart from God's drawing, granting, or "calling", or Jesus Christ is a liar! Jesus states quite plainly this is so in the following NKJV Scriptures...Jhn 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jhn 6:65, And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father." Consider the fourth of the ten (10)commandments Simply bear the fruits of obedience to God and He will bless and show you.1Jo 5:3, For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. (Ex31:13,17)
---Matthew on 9/15/10


Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be, and that which is done is that which shall be done: //SORRY CLUNY\\ there is no new thing under the sun.


Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---francis on 9/15/10


In what scripture are you speaking of?
---tone on 9/15/10


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Yes, Cluny, I have something new to say, I can't tell you have new it is. "The Lord's day". for most of us "born again believers" it is a day, a special day, that we set aside in honor of God. A special day set aside just for God so He may have our undivided attention. Focused just on Him. "The Lord's day". Has anyone came with this one, yet? I don't know.
---catherine on 9/15/10


Does anyone have anything new to bring to this argument, which will never be settled here?

If you do, say it.

If not, be silent, as I will.

Something tells me that this will be another rehash of the same stuff.
---Cluny on 9/15/10


Oh?

Are we arguing about the Saturday Sabbath for change?
---Cluny on 9/14/10


Rev 1:10 the only vs mentioning the "Lord's day", what would make yo think this is a sabbath day?
---michael_e on 9/14/10

THE BIBLE:

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY, and call the sabbath a delight, THE HOLY OF THE LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

revelation does not say which day is THE LORD'S DAY, so we thus have to use other verses ( LINE UPON LINE, PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT)
---francis on 9/14/10


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//The lord's day which based on bible verses, is the sabbath.//
Rev 1:10 the only vs mentioning the "Lord's day", what would make yo think this is a sabbath day?
---michael_e on 9/14/10


Sunday the first of the week, is the Resurrection and the Ascension Day, also called the Lord's Day, in which Christians gather together to Worship Christ. True Christians don't follow days, because a day is just a piece of time, instead we follow Jesus who is the one who made time and its various measurements. Born-again Christians worship on Sunday because Jesus resurrected from the dead on Sunday, the first day of the week, and the disciples worshipped him then. Worshipping Christ on Sunday is recorded in the Bible. Please read Matthew 28:1,5,6,9,16,17, Luke 24:1,5-8,51-53, Acts 20:7, I Corinthians 16:2.
---Eloy on 9/14/10


The lord's day which based on bible verses, is the sabbath.
The day of the lord, which is the day when The lord returns again is based on bible verses.
The two are not the same, you cannot interchange them.

EXAMPLE:
Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the SABBATH DAY, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the DAY THE LORD RETURNED, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
---francis on 9/14/10


michael e.
Agree that 'the day of the Lord' is His second coming.
But, 'the Lord's day' is something quite different in Revelation, the only time it is written in the Bible this way.
Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Ignatius, whom I quoted on a previous post, was a student of John who wrote Revelation, more than likely around the same time frame as Ignatius' letter.
---micha9344 on 9/13/10


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the Lord's day or day of the Lord is His second advent
Acts 2:20 ,1 Cor 5:5, 2 Cor 1:14 1 Thess 5:2
2 Peter 3:10
---michael_e on 9/13/10


Well it says that on the SEVENTH day God rested...so I would assume it's the SEVENTH day of the week.

Some say that's Sunday. Some say it's Friday. I believe the Lord's Day is EVERYDAY - the Earth is the Lord's and everything that is contained in it.

EVERYDAY We offer the sacrifice of Praise and Enter His gates with Thanksgiving and Praise and Give Him ALL the Glory and Honor due His name-so why not make Everyday the Lord's day?
---Donna5535 on 9/13/10


Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
---francis on 9/13/10


You tell me.

1) Which day (or days) is NOT the Lord's day?
2) Which day (or days) should we NOT pray, study Holy Scriptures, and worship the Almighty God?
3) Which day (or days) is the Mark of the Beast and those who worship on that day (or days) are devil worshipers?
4) Did the keeping of the Sabbath involved worship, according to the OT laws?

On the other hand, we see from Scriptura passages, and Early Church documents, that the first day of the week (as well as other days), the Divine Liturgy was celebrated and the Jewish observance of the Sabbath was not obligated to be kept by Gentile Christians.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/12/10


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That is between you & God. However Sat is the biblical day of rest since it is the 7th day .I rest on the sabbath(saturday) & devote myself to God & fellowship with my congregation on Sundays the first day of the week.God still loves me & blesses my family in the knowledge I am learning about him.
---candice on 9/12/10


The Bible doesn't actually say which day is 'the Lord's day'.
The Lord in this phrase is Jesus Christ.
This is not to be confuse with 'the day of the Lord', which is His return.
I believe 'the Lord's day' that John referred to in Revelation is the first day of the week.
'And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lords Day as a festival'-Ignatius(c35AD-c108AD), to the Magnesians ch9.
'He, in fulfilment of the precept, according to the Gospel, keeps the Lords day, when he abandons an evil disposition, and assumes that of the Gnostic, glorifying the Lords resurrection in himself.'-Clement of Alexandria(c150AD-c215AD), The Stromata bk7 ch12
---micha9344 on 9/12/10


I consider The Lord's day every day, because I serve The Lord every day, one day at a time.
---Lawrence on 9/12/10


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