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How Many Times Born Again

What is the number of times a person can be "born again" in their life? What are the prescripts (other than accept Christ as Lord and personal Savior) that go along with those who claim they are "born again"? Is another baptism necessary?

Moderator - You are born again only once. Baptism is one of the the first acts of obedience.

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The Moderator is correct. "No man can pluck you out of my hands. My Father gave you to me". "Remember, I chose You, you didn't choose me". "Unless you are born-again you cannot see the kingdom of God"...."RAISED FROM THE DEAD, or, raised out from among the dead".....Thank You my heavenly Father for your Son who was willing to die and SHED His Blood, a most gruesome death, the worse crime in human history, was the murder of my Savior. The worse crime in human history, yes it was. And You did it for your chosen people. Thank You. In Jesus name, Amen.
---catherine on 10/26/10


I was born-again twice. A Christian is a soul that is born-again from Christ, and can no longer live for self but lives for Christ. It is Christ living in you. The Christian worships Christ only and obeys his Commandments. Please read- John 1:12,13, II Corinthians 5:17, Romans 8:9-11,15, Galatians 4:6, Psalm 51:10, Galatians 2:20, Colossians 1:27, I John 3:9,10, Revelation 3:20. There is what is called the baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire, a person can ask Jesus for the gift of the Holy Spirit. Just as you would not allow a minor to drive a car, so too you would not indiscriminately give the almighty power of the Spirit to an unprepared or a renegade soul.
---Eloy on 10/26/10


//JUST SAY "I don't KNOW!!!" //
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10

Its only simple to a man with a humble heart.

//Second, when the Church begin it was filled with believers who had been granted repentance. As time went on, less and less of them were there. When Christ knock on the door, there was not one left.//

Not written in scripture. This is nothing but opinion.


And by the way, Mark...

If ye then being evil know how to give good gifts unto your children how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
---JackB on 10/25/10


Born again, being born from above, being made a new creation, being made holy in Christ. The sinful nature still resides in the fleshly body but is subject to the new will of the new nature. You were born physically once and you can only be born spiritually once. IF, a big if, anyone who knows salvation were able to fall away there is no salvation left for them. This is because they want to hold Christ up to open shame again, he died once, and they want to crucify a second time just for them. This can not happen, Christ died once. Read Hebrews 6: 4 - 6
---Harold on 10/23/10


(KNOWING-Christ as Lord and Savior)
This being the first step-God walks you through the rest-His path leads to Him-He alone provided.
Immanuel-God with us.
God(Holy Spirit in those who believe in the Son of man-call upon His Name)confirms His Word in you-Lord and Mastering your life.--Not a religion-organization or mans word or any another word-instead.
That would be anti-

Yehovah alone confirms His Word.
His Word will save those who believe Him-from dysfunctional situations-in flesh.Eccl(all)
His Word will purify our spirit and make us a new creature In-Christ-for eternal life.2Cor5:17,Mat 13:23
To my understanding this is a choice for some-for others He has chosen.

The message?-repentance unto remission
---char on 10/15/10




Kathr,
You said,
"MarkV, the real problem I have here with your definition of Rev 3 is that you already stated here only God can grant the GIFT of repentance."
First, He was speaking to the whole Church. Second, when the Church begin it was filled with believers who had been granted repentance. As time went on, less and less of them were there. When Christ knock on the door, there was not one left. His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. No one followed Christ by answering. Third, it is God who grants repentance, 2 Tim. 2:25,26.
"..God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will"
---MarkV. on 9/29/10


MarkV, the real problem I have here with your definition of Rev 3 is that you already stated here only God can grant the GIFT of repentance.

So why then is Jesus asking people to repent and not asking God to Grant the Church repentance so he can enter.
---kathr4453 on 9/29/10


Kathr, you are different then the rest, because when you answer some questions you strip the Godhead with your answers. Only those from the J.W, Mormons, Islam do that. They don't mind at all.

As to your questions in Rev. 3:14-22, Christ was not speaking to the elect or none elect, He was speaking to the Church in Laodicea. The context demands that Christ was seeking to enter the Church that bore His name but lacked a single believer. This poignant letter was His knocking. If one member would recognized his spiritual bankruptcy and responded in saving faith, He would enter the Church. They were hypocrites, professing to know Christ, but not truely belonging to Him.
---MarkV. on 9/28/10


In other words MarkV you are saying YOU don't understand the question or the scripture of what Jesus spoke to the Church of Laeodecia?

But just because you don't undestand it, doesn't mean everyone else is in the dark too.

The reason you are skirting around the question would be what MarkV??

1. Jesus doesn't need to warn the elect
2. Jesus doesn't need to warn the unelect either
3. Jesus just likes to hear Himself talk.

I simply asked you, WHO is Jesus warning the saved or unsaved?

It's a SIMPLE question!

Funny thing MArkV, when ever you can't answer a question you give lectures.

JUST SAY "I don't KNOW!!!"
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10


Kathr, I tried to point this out to you before, that you answer with a lot of questions, and never give the context of Scripture when you do answer. You put together many questions and sometimes passages and mingle them around, twist them and come out with your own meanings. Here is what Shawn T said'
"Don't take one paragraph out of the context of a series of three post, and then twist what happens to actually be in that paragraph, just so you can make the fruitless speculation...
Maybe the Holy Spirit took a vow work in us.---kathr...
Which by the way there is no such scripture telling us as much."

Again, if you want to answer, answer with Scripture context, otherwise everything you put together is meaninless.
---MarkV. on 9/25/10




We are all born unto flesh once, born by the spirit once. I have died to the flesh once and I will never die again. If you have never been born again, you will die twice.
---shira3877 on 9/24/10


MarkV something else here most interesting....who here is doing the KNOCKING, the FATHER, or Jesus?

And according to Calvinism, no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him, but Here, the SON says I STAND AT THE DOOR AND KNOCK...if anyone HEAR MY VOICE.....and open the door AND who's opening the door??



---kathr4453 on 9/24/10


MarkV that is an INVITATION. No where does it say He stood( past tense) but I STAND..(present tense) at the door and knocked and you said NO ONE ANSWERED.(Past tense) Men today are STILL answering. So this can't be something that happened in the past....

So what you are saying too is Jesus does call unbelievers and they CAN resist the Gospel? But isn't that against Calvinism and all you believe?

So here Jesus is stating HE LOVES sinners and rebukes SINNERS, and that SINNERS CAN hear His call...and refuse to open the door.
---kathr4453 on 9/24/10


Kathr, concerning Rev. 3:18, God is a God of "Love" (John 3:16) and of "Justice" (Lit. reprove) which refers to God's convicting and punishing the unregenerate (Matt. 18:17, 1 Cor. 14:24). Here He is talking to the Church of Laodicea, where no convert is found. He says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chastine. Therefore be zealous and repent." They were blind to the things of God. Doing the desires of their father the devil. Because He stood at the door and knock (v. 19) and no one heard His voice and open it, for He said, "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches" no one could hear, or answer the Spirit, So God was now going to show His justice.
---MarkV. on 9/23/10


Revelation 3:18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich, and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear, and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. ( Notice all the AND's)

19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

MarkV WHO is Jesus talking to....Calvinists who claim to already SEE or unsaved?

You say unsaved? So Jesus rebukes teh unsaved because they can't see? Boy isn't Jesus twofaced! OR is it possible CALVINISTS are BLIND!!
---kathr4453 on 9/22/10


Kathr, when you want an answer quote the correct passages, maybe I will respond, or someone else might, since I have no clue what you are talking about. Every passage has its own context.
He always mentions, "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches" Which means that only those who are save can hear the Spirit speak. All others do not hear, or percieve the things of the Spirit.
---MarkV. on 9/22/10


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When a person claims that they come to Christ out of their own free will, or can reject Christ out of their own free will, they are suggesting that out of their own ability "they, not God makes the choice of who will be saved." If they choose God, it was out of their own works. If it was God who changed their hearts and gave them eyes to see, ears to hear, and a heart to perceive then it was God who did the work out of His own free will. Man do get on their knees and beg for forgivness, but not until the Holy Spirit brings them alive to Christ.
---MarkV. on 9/20/10

MarkV how then do you explain Rev 3 where JESUS said, Buy salve for your eyes/ears that you may see/hear..then said REPENT.
---kathr4453 on 9/21/10


Again I ask you the question, that you do not answer, "Does Jesus say that the sinner will have Eternal Life in (John 8:34)?
---David on 9/21/10

Sorry, I meant (John 8:35).
---David on 9/21/10


If your answer is "you do not sin" you lie which makes you sinful. Scripture declares, "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us" (1 John 1:10)
---MarkV. on 9/20/10

Mark
You think that all believer's are saved, and that is one of the problems you have when reading your Bible.
The New Testament is written to those in the church that are saved and those who have yet to be saved.
How else could John say, that those who say that they do not sin, call God a Liar, and then say in (1John 3:9) those born of God do not sin?

Again I ask you the question, that you do not answer, "Does Jesus say that the sinner will have Eternal Life in (John 8:34)?
---David on 9/21/10


Alan, because of Richard post, I will answer you from the blog where you said to me,
"MarkV ... NO-ONE here has ever suggested that we can save ourselves"
When a person claims that they come to Christ out of their own free will, or can reject Christ out of their own free will, they are suggesting that out of their own ability "they, not God makes the choice of who will be saved." If they choose God, it was out of their own works. If it was God who changed their hearts and gave them eyes to see, ears to hear, and a heart to perceive then it was God who did the work out of His own free will. Man do get on their knees and beg for forgivness, but not until the Holy Spirit brings them alive to Christ.
---MarkV. on 9/20/10


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David, I find you here again. And again my question comes up, "Do you sin?" "Are you sinless?" If your answer is "you do not sin" you lie which makes you sinful. If you say you still sin, then I know that you have not been glorified yet and still sin, as Scripture declares, "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us" (1 John 1:10)
He goes on to say,
"My little children," (believers) these things I write to you, so that you may not sin, (means they still do) And if anyone sins, "we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."
---MarkV. on 9/20/10


IF a person says they accept CHRIST -That person is saying there doing the work of saving - their permitting the HOLY SPIRIT to come upon them . And no works we can do can get us save.
---RICHARD on 9/19/10


amen, ann.

it's about a process based on belief in Jesus Christ that produces fruit in this temporally, wasted world.
---aka on 9/17/10


David, do you take 1 John 3:9,10 at face value? ---MarkV. on 9/17/10

Yes I do, because the verse matches what Jesus and Paul both taught.
What do you think Paul means when he says that one must mortify the misdeeds of the body to live????? (Romans 8:13)

If you do, my question is, "Do you sin?" The reason I ask is that you also gave John 8:34,35.---MarkV. on 9/17/10

Mark you claim to be a sinner, does Jesus Christ, the Truth, say that a sinner will have Eternal life in those verses?

So what is your answer? Are you a sinner?
---MarkV. on 9/17/10

The Holy spirit has mortified the misdeeds of my flesh and I have been born of God, as those born of God are specified in the verse.
---David on 9/17/10


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"What is the number of times a person can be "born again" in their life?" One.
"What are the prescripts (other than accept Christ as Lord and personal Savior) that go along with those who claim they are "born again"? " The renewing of the mind.
"Is another baptism necessary?" No.
---josef on 9/17/10


David, do you take 1 John 3:9,10 at face value? If you do, my question is, "Do you sin?" The reason I ask is that you also gave John 8:34,35. And even mentioned that Jesus confirmed what is written later in 1 John 3.
So what is your answer? Are you a sinner? Or is Jesus speaking in another term?
---MarkV. on 9/17/10


Jesus said: "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)

What makes the man a new creature? The water? Or the Spirit?

Water is only water. But the Spirit has power to change (John 3:7-8)!

"Ye shall know them by their fruits," Jesus said about how to understand if a prophet was from God or not (Matt.7:16). So also with ourselves:

-Do I find the fruits of the Spirit in my own life?

Are there love, joy, peace, faith, meekness, temperance, etc. - during ALL challenges of my DAILY life? (Gal.6:22-23)

I think we must be born again DAILY so that these fruits may be part of our character.

Gal.2:20!
John.3:30!
---ann on 9/17/10


being a Roman Catholic you believe in baptismal regeneration and that belief makes you ignorant of being "born again"
---mima on 9/16/10

That statement is funny coming from you Mima.
(1John 3:9-10)KJV tells us who are born again, and you don't seem to understand that clearly written passage, so what does that make you?
Also If you read (John 8:34-35) carefully, you will see that Jesus confirmed what is written in (1John 3:9-10).

It's amazing to me that whenever people like you say that you trust the KJV translation, then find some verse in the Bible that disagrees with your doctrine, and then must retranslate the already translated verse in a translation that you trust.








---David on 9/17/10


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You are condemned when you fall and fail to get up. You are lifted up by your Faith.//

i am most thankful that God gave me grace for when i do not recognize my actions as sin or when i forget or when i simply have not had the proper time to confess. Remember...//You are not condemned for being human.//

I am lifted by His Faith and not my ability (or lack thereof) to confess.
---aka on 9/16/10


Being "born again" is a reference to the Baptismal Font (which comes after catechetical instruction, acceptance of Jesus Christ and the Apostolic Tradition, a renunciation of Satan and the World, etc) as understood by the Early Christians (which only happens once). After Holy Baptism, any sins we commit will be forgiven, if we confess our sins in the Mystery of Confession. Sins are forgiven when you confess, commune (of the Divine Eucharist) and are truly sorry for doing wrong.

We all fall, we all repeat sins, but we try not to. You are not condemned for being human. You are condemned when you fall and fail to get up. You are lifted up by your Faith.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/16/10


You can only be baptized to be saved only once. When you know the true reason why you are getting baptized then that is the valid one. If it is done & you're doing it to "join" a church or because they do not accept other baptisims from other churches, it is not valid & just "getting a bath".
God only records it once.When we are of age (adulthood) & can understand & confess that Jesus died for us & is our saviour. I tell this from personal experiances. It took 4 baptisims for the last one to hit what it was truly for & no membership required (except being in Gods family) & that was in Sept 2007.
---Candice on 9/16/10


Mr. Archer being a Roman Catholic you believe in baptismal regeneration and that belief makes you ignorant of being "born again"
---mima on 9/16/10


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It depends on what church you are affiliated with.

"Born again" is debatable, Baptism is debatable. How many ways, how many times?
Are you under Law or Grace or both?
You can find any answer you want.

Try 2 Tim 2:15 and find out for yourself.
---michael_e on 9/16/10


The moderator hit the nail on the head. Good job! I would imagine that the discussion on this topic is done. Does this make for the shortest discussion in the history of this site?
---Jerald_Archer on 9/16/10


If a person can be "born again" more than once, then obviously Almighty God made a mistake the first time the person was ""born again".

Question, does God make mistakes? In the answer to that question is the answer to your question.
---mima on 9/16/10


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