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Is Tithing Mandatory

Are the tithe and offerings mandatory for New Testament believers or only is a free will offering to be given?

Moderator - Only free will offerings that are given with a cheerful heart. Nobody follows the rules of the Old Testament Tithing and Offerings; not even the Jews.

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I said, " I said he went back to church."

I meant to say I SAID HE WENT BACK TO COLLEGE.
---Gary on 11/21/10


I almost got brain washed into the SDA doctrines but the Lord got me out of there in time.
---Gary on 11/21
Then by all means, move on with your life.
Do not get stuck like the others in a life long critique of the SDA church, just move on.
---francis on 11/21/10


Is that not EXACTLY what i said happens, they go away, fall into sin and apostacy, then petend they leave because of the doctrine.
---francis on 11/20/10

Don't you get it - HE NEVER WENT AWAY. He was STILL IN THE SDA CHURCH while going to college. I said he went back to church. That doesn't mean he LEFT the area.

He didn't fall into sin. He was still much involved in the SDA Church, but went back to college to improve himself. You call that falling into sin?

I almost got brain washed into the SDA doctrines but the Lord got me out of there in time.
---Gary on 11/21/10


There is a point behind the institution of tithes. It is to give generously to God among several other things. We must be giving all that we own to God without limit. My dad, Lloyd D. Thomas has voraciously studied this topic and says that nowhere in the NT it specifies that we must give tithes (i.e. just 10%). He repeatedly insists we must give our all to God and not hold back anything for ourselves. It is my dad's opinion I'm stating here. I feel absolutely convinced by this. Freewill, yes, but it is better to give lavishly than to hold back.
---hop on 11/21/10


They get away from the SDA indoctrination and find the truth.
---micha9344 on 11/21/10




The pastor I spoke of was an SDA PASTOR for many years, STILL IN THE CHURCH when he went back to college to get his Ph.D. AFTER learning the truth, again, AFTER learning the truth, he left the SDA Church as he said he couldn't knowingly teach lies.
---Gary on 11/20/10

s that not EXACTLY what i said happens, they go away, fall into sin and apostacy, then petend they leave because of the doctrine.
---francis on 11/20/10


\\Here you are blaming E G WHITE, who by the way did NOT prophesy world ending in 1844 that was William Miller, and E G W was not a member of the advent movement in 1844
---francis on 11/20/10\\

Wrong, francis. Her family joined the Millerite Advent movement at its height in 1840 when she was 12 or 13 years old.

However, you are right that she had her first vision in 1844 shortly after the Great Disappointment.

In common with most great psychics and mediums, she suffered a head trauma, followed by a period of unconsciousness, during which the walk-in spirit of divination walked into her.
---Cluny on 11/20/10


Like I said they did NOT leave because of the doctrines, they left for other reason, then in thier shame blames the doctrine.
---francis on 11/20/10

Typical response from an SDA. It seems SDAs just can't imagine anyone leaving the SDA church because of its doctrines.

The pastor I spoke of was an SDA PASTOR for many years, STILL IN THE CHURCH when he went back to college to get his Ph.D. AFTER learning the truth, again, AFTER learning the truth, he left the SDA Church as he said he couldn't knowingly teach lies.

SDAs will always say just another unhappy SDAer who got angry and left the church.
---Gary on 11/20/10


The top SDA theologian in Africa left the church several years ago because he said his research showed that the Sabbath teaching was incorrect.

I left the SDA because of their teachings and the racial prejudice shown in the SDA church I was attending.
---Gary on 11/20/10

Like I said they did NOT leave because of the doctrines, they left for other reason, then in thier shame blames the doctrine.

Here you are blaming E G WHITE, who by the way did NOT prophesy world ending in 1844 that was William Miller, and E G W was not a member of the advent movement in 1844
---francis on 11/20/10


Francis, you said:

ROD, are you honestly suggesting that a person who is saved by Grace through faith, who does not KILL, STEAL, LIE, COMMIT ADULTERY, COVET, WORSHIP IDOLS, TAKE GODS NAME IN VAIN, HONOURS HIS FATHER AND MOTHER,RESTS OF THE 7TH DAY, DOES NOT WORWSHIP OTHER GODS is in bondage?
....
---francis on 11/18/10

Your words reflect the self-righteous leaven that pervades the teachings of EGW.

No one has ever performed as you seem deluded into thinking SDAs perform. All, including all who have been saved by trusting the Savior, fall short on these. Everyone sins.
---CAP on 11/20/10




Rob, in my experience people do NOT leave the SDA church because of the teachings.
---francis on 11/19/10

Your experience is, of course, limited.

The top SDA theologian in Africa left the church several years ago because he said his research showed that the Sabbath teaching was incorrect.

A pastor left after he went back to school to get his Ph.D. in theology and found much of the SDA teachings to be wrong. He has published books exposing the false teachings where he compares SDA teachings with scripture.

I left the SDA because of their teachings and the racial prejudice shown in the SDA church I was attending.
---Gary on 11/20/10


Francis on 11/19/10 you wrote The name Ellen G. White does not appear in 2 Peter or in Revelations, regarding FALSE PROPHETS and those who add to the WORD OF GOD).

Francis if that is the route you want to take show me where the name Ellen G. White is found in Ephesians 4:11 or any passage of scripture about Prophets from God.

Francis, Deut 18:20-22 and 1John 4:11 tells us to test the prophets to see if they are from God.

Ellen G. White' own words and failed prophecies prove she was a "FALSE PROPHET".

Ellen G. White prophesied the world would end and salvation for all sinners would end in 1844, EGW's Early Writtings, page 57.

God gave her the day and hour of Christ's return EGW Volume one, page 59.
---Rob on 11/20/10


Rob, in my experience people do NOT leave the SDA church because of the teachings.
What usually happens is that people move from one city or state to another, fall in with a group of friends with which they have a good time out of church, they soon stop practicing what they have learned to be truth, ( some of them are at games or watching games during the sabbath, and start to eat unclean things to maintain thier new friendships) Before long their new friends invite them to forget the sabbath and be in church on sunday.
Or, they meet a man or woman outside the SDA church, give up the truth to have a marriage.
Please come home, it is OK you are not alone. Talk to your spouse about it.
---francis on 11/19/10


Those who love and fear the Lord to give back as David put it a part of that which is his already will search the scriptures to take comfort in knowing the Lord blesses fear, love, diligence and obedience.
Those who do not wish to tithe will search the scriptures to prove why they shouldn't.
The word is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart and each type will be repaid for what they did in this life.
---Frank on 11/20/10


In the New Testament we read that God loves a cheerful giver. If people tithe simply because they feel they should do so, but don't do it cheerfully, it would probably be better if they did not tithe.

It is the willingness to give which God loves, not the amount or the percentage of income involved.
---Rita on 11/19/10


Rob
The Name ellen g white does not appear in 2 peter or in revelations. So how can i know what you are talking about?

And your statement about "G. White's writtings have precedence and authority over God's Word." Is just not true at all so what can i say.

It is not OVER Gods word, because she is a prophet of God it carries the same weight as the word of any other prophet. I think that is what you meants to say right?

The writings of Isaiah and Daniel are not above the words of Agabus,Deborah, Miriam, Noadiah, or anna is it?
It cannot be, because they all come from the same source ( GOD).

DO you not beleive that God will call more prophets as times get closer, or do you just something against E G W?
---francis on 11/19/10


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Tithing is mandatory to them participating in the ministry of death: but giving to the poor is mandatory to them obeying the ministry of life.
---Eloy on 11/19/10

AMEN! Well said!
---Gary on 11/19/10


Israel is a Theocracy..God said to them do things a certain way,by keeping the financial law that was just a small portion of their Theocratic rule they would have been the most prosperous nation on earth as a witness to the gentiles...there is no mystery to this just a lack of sound teaching in the church.
---richard on 11/19/10


Tithing is mandatory to them participatiing in the ministry of death: but giving to the poor is mandatory to them obeying the ministry of life.
---Eloy on 11/19/10


Frances, In my last post I did share scripture, I guess you ignored them and won't read them because they are from the Bible and not from Ellen G. Whites writting.

In the past others including myself share with you the errors of SDA teachings along with scripture, but you reject them.

SDA's have their own special calendars with the time the sun sets on Fridays to the time the sun sets on Saturdays. This is because SDA's are forbidden to do any type of work during this time.

Also SDA's are forbidden to eat meat, wear jewelry, or wear make-up.

All these things are addressed in the scriptures I shared with you.
---Rob on 11/19/10


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ROD, are you honestly suggesting that a person who is saved by Grace through faith, who does not KILL, STEAL, LIE, COMMIT ADULTERY, COVET, WORSHIP IDOLS, TAKE GODS NAME IN VAIN, HONOURS HIS FATHER AND MOTHER,RESTS OF THE 7TH DAY, DOES NOT WORWSHIP OTHER GODS is in bondage?

Do you not know that ONLY SIN is bondage?
Plus you gave NO scriptures i want scriptures where SDA are wrong.
---francis on 11/18/10


A story about tithing.
I made a business deal on a house. Which brought me $5,000 profit and long-term tax deduction benefits. I immediately , that very day, wrote a check for $500 to a church. This particular deal caused me much more worry and torment. Finally after praying, the Lord told me standby I will get you out of this. About two years later that's exactly what happened in a most unbelievable unusual manner. Moral of the story, be careful about exact tithing.
---mima on 11/18/10


Frances, SDA's will tell you Ellen G. White is their Prophet. Do you know what is written in 2 Peter Chapter Two.

SDA's believe Ellen G. White's writtings have precedence and authority over God's Word. This goes against what is written in Revelation 22:18-19.

Frances, you can deny this all you want, but I know it to be a fact. Remember I grew up in a SDA home. I had her teachings "RAMMED DOWN MY THROAT".

SDA's keep people in bondage and under the LAW because they reject Christ.

Frances, why don't you read the letter the Apostle Paul wrote to the Church in Galatia, and read Colossian Chapter Two.

This is just the beginning of SDA teachings which go against the Bible.
---Rob on 11/18/10


But from the things I did know, I knew many of the SDA teachings contradicted things written in scripture.
---Rob on 11/17/10
Like what? And please show scri[ture LINE UPON LINE
---Francis on 11/17/10


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If you don't give exactly ten percent, your not tithing.
If you don't give ten percent of your crop and animal increase, your not tithing according to the Law of Moses.
If you don't purchase food to tithe
with your money, you are not tithing according to the Law of Moses.
---micha9344 on 11/17/10


Abraham gave a tenth of WAR SPOILS that did NOT even belong to him. Did God ask for a tenth of war spoils? Even under the Mosaic law God didn't command a tenth of war spoils, but rather only 1.1%. And remember, Abraham kept NOTHING for himself. Jacob made a vow to tithe but there is no evidence he ever kept that vow.

OLD TESTAMENT - Proverbs 3:9 (KJV) Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

NEW TESTAMENT - 2 Timothy 2:6 (KJV) The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.

A study of Numbers 18:27 proves that income could not be tithed on. Otherwise, that verse is merely taking up space.
---Gary on 11/17/10


God asks for 1/10 of your increase regardless of what it is.---francis on 11/17/10

NO HE DIDN'T. God asked for a tenth of HIS increase.

Both the tithe and firstfruits came from GOD'S increase, not man's income.

The tithe and firstfruits came from God's labor, not man's labor.

Deuteronomy 8:18 (NIV) - But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

God gives us the power, or ability, to get or produce wealth. God gives us the ability to work - to labor. When we work, it is our labor doing the work, not God's labor. He gave us the ability to do the work ourselves.
---Gary on 11/17/10


The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to our means. For some, $1 might be a sacrifice, while for others, even giving 50% of their income might not induce a sacrifice. In the Old Testament, ONLY the farmers tithed, and it was equal percentage (a tenth). The New Testament teaches the principle of equal sacrifice. Equal sacrifice is much harder to achieve, if not impossible, than giving ten percent.

In Matthew 25:42-45 Jesus tells us how to give to Him. We are giving to The Lord when we feed the hungry, give to the poor, etc. Nowhere in the scriptures does God say that when you give to the Christian Church you are giving to Him. But the Bible does teach we should give where there is a need.
---Gary on 11/17/10


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I was brought up in the SDA church. When I was a teenager I did not know much about the Bible.

But from the things I did know, I knew many of the SDA teachings contradicted things written in scripture.
---Rob on 11/17/10


All I know is that I have been tithing since childhood and it is always with a cheerful heart. I give above the 10% to some missions supported by my church, and to other things as the Spirit leads me. I am BLESSED beyond measure in my life. All the arguments I've read here will not convince me to stop giving my firstfruits to the Lord. God bless you all for these frank and open discussions. Never take anything at face value - search the Word and test the Spirits.
---Chris on 11/17/10


You don't want to return tithe then do not.
I owe my entire income to God just as a farmer would owe his entire increase to God

The gold and the silver as well as the cattle on a thousand hills beong to my God, 1/10 is holy to him.

When abraham returned tithe is was NOT cattle it was goods IE gold and silver
Genesis 14:20 And he gave him tithes of all.

Jacob promised to return tithes of ALL not just cattle.

again I am not sure where you are going with this

God asks for 1/10 of your increase regardless of what it is.
Sp tell me can you tell the difference between increasing crops and lifestock, and increasing Gold?
Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
---francis on 11/17/10


Gary ---too much truth
---mima on 11/17/10


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Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
---francis on 11/17/10

Now use your Hebrew dictionary, Francis. This says a tenth of the CROPS (assets), not money or income. It is Holy because it came FROM God's hand, not man's income. And notice it doesn't say the first tenth.

Leviticus 27:32 - every tenth animal. Again, not the first, but rather the LAST ONE of every ten.
---Gary on 11/17/10


again not sure where you are going
---francis on 11/17/10

I am trying to expose the false teaching.
1 - God NEVER commanded anyone to tithe on their income.
2 - God commanded His tithe be taken to the Levites, NOT a pastor or Christian Church.
3 - God set up rules as to which Levites could work at the Temple - ONLY men, and ONLY between the ages of 25 and 50.

EVERYTHING most pastors teach about tithing today is not Biblical. None of it is truth.

Those who tithe today are following man's customs, NOT the Word of God.
---Gary on 11/17/10


The problem I have with the SDA teaching of tithing is that they LIE. The SDA now teach that the tithe belongs to God, and that God requires you to take the first tenth of your income to the church. Nothing but lies.
---Gary on 11/17/10

again not sure where you are going
Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
---francis on 11/17/10


francis,

The problem I have with the SDA teaching of tithing is that they LIE. The SDA now teach that the tithe belongs to God, and that God requires you to take the first tenth of your income to the church. Nothing but lies.

The history of tithing in the SDA church shows that the leaders of the SDA church took the Levitical tithe AS A MODEL, then CHANGED the definition and rules to FIT THE NEEDS OF THE SDA church, presented it to the members as THEIR OWN plan, and asked the members to accept it AS THOUGH it were God's plan. Now they teach it AS God's plan. DISHONEST.
---Gary on 11/17/10


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I am not sure where you are going with this, but in the SDA church our fulltime employees live of the tithe, just as in the OT.

We do have many who volunteer their time and talents, who may receive a gift from time to time.
Our members tithe in their local churches and give offering in their local churches.

outside of the Western world, where members still give food and flesh/ amimals as tithe, it is no different than OT.

My experience has been that because most western churches look at tithe only as money,....
---francis on 11/16/10


You follow NO PART of God's commands regarding the tithe. You pick and choose, and then CHANGE God's commands to fit what you want.
---Gary on 11/15/10

And now it is personal?
---francis on 11/16/10

I guess I should have said NO ONE follows any part of God's tithing commands.
---Gary on 11/16/10


1 Corinthians 9:13 ..... 1 Corinthians 9:14
---francis on 11/15/10

This first word in verse 14 refers back to all of verses 7 through 13. The principle is Each group (secular and sacred) has a right to share from that activity in which it works. All six of the examples demonstrate that one is sustained by the principles of the activity in which he labors. In the same manner gospel workers live by gospel principles from which they labor. Verse 14 is a final conclusion to all of verses 7-13 which change from secular to Law to gospel. In verse 15 these rights (NIV) again refers to everything mentioned in verses 7-13 and not merely verse 13. All of the context of 9:7-13 is considered and almost all commentaries agree. Do the research.
---Gary on 11/16/10


It is more wrong than correct to say It was the tithe that supported Gods servants in the Old Testament dispensation because the priests received most of their support from things other than the tithethings such as freewill offerings, vow offerings and sacrifices (Numbers 18:1-19). Priests only received one tenth of the whole Levitical tithe (Num 18:25-28, Neh 10:37-38).

Adopting Old Testament giving principles in the same manner would force the church to also copy every other Levitical and priestly support principle found in the Old Testament. This logic would forbid missionary support and would require churches to abolish the doctrine of the priesthood of believers and put to death those who tried to worship God directly.
---Gary on 11/16/10


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You follow NO PART of God's commands regarding the tithe. You pick and choose, and then CHANGE God's commands to fit what you want.
---Gary on 11/15/10

And now it is personal?
---francis on 11/16/10


So God is good and the levites are blessed to work two weeks per year and still get fulltime pay.
---francis on 11/15/10

They had REGULAR JOBS the rest of the year.

Now, do those who receive the tithe at your church own any property? The Levites and priests were not allowed to own property. Also, ONLY male Levites were allowed to work at the Temple, and ONLY between the ages of 25 and 50. Do your "Levites" retire at 50?

You follow NO PART of God's commands regarding the tithe. You pick and choose, and then CHANGE God's commands to fit what you want.
---Gary on 11/15/10


Are you aware that the priests and Levites only worked at the Temple about two weeks per year, on a rotational basis?
---Gary on 11/15/10

Yes and are you aware that they worked on GODS ECONOMY where by 12 tribes worked to support ONE.
So God is good and the levites are blessed to work two weeks per year and still get fulltime pay.
---francis on 11/15/10


Titheing is sin. Jesus did not charge cursed tithes, nor one cent to minister: "All their wickedness in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes rebellious. It is written, My house will be called the House of Prayer: but you all have made it a Den of robbers. But woe to you Ministers, because you take tithes of the mint and the rue and every plant, and pass by the discernment and the love of God, these befits to do and them not to leave aside." Ho.9:15+ Jn.2:14,15+ Mt.21:13+ Lk.11:42.
---Eloy on 11/15/10


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Yes to those who like the levites are FULLTIME in ministry
---francis on 11/15/10

Are you aware that the priests and Levites only worked at the Temple about two weeks per year, on a rotational basis? NOT FULL TIME. The priests and Levites were divided into 24 "courses". See First Chronicles 24 for the priests and chapters 25 and 26 for the Levites. Each course only ministered in the Temple one week out of twenty four (1 in 24), and, depending on how many families were in each course, each family only ministered in the Temple two or three days during its courses week of ministry.
---Gary on 11/15/10


Is this what the SDA follow? Do you take your tithe to the SERVANTS, the singers, musicians, ushers, etc. and let them give a tenth of the tithe to the pastor?
---Gary on 11/15/10
Yes to those who like the levites are FULLTIME in ministry
---francis on 11/15/10


Numbers 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer [as] an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.
---francis on 11/15/10

The Levites were the singers, musicians, ushers, etc. - the servants to the priests.

Now look at Numbers 18:28 - the Levites gave a tenth of the tithe to the priest.

Is this what the SDA follow? Do you take your tithe to the SERVANTS, the singers, musicians, ushers, etc. and let them give a tenth of the tithe to the pastor?
---Gary on 11/15/10


1 Corinthians 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

In this passage what would THE THINGS OF THE TEMPLE be that they could live off?

Numbers 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer [as] an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.
---francis on 11/15/10


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gary-- Excellent and informative post (on 9/19 esp)
Malachi is still in the Bible, but the temple is not still in Jerusalem or anywhere else.

2Cr 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give], not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
---Donna66 on 11/11/10


Beg pardons, but God nor his disciples never did away with Malachi 3:8,9,10
---judy6696 on 11/8/10

Malachi 3:10 - bring the tithe to the STOREHOUSE. THE storehouse at the Temple where the Spirit of God lived, NOT to a church.

Beg pardons, Judy, but God never changed His definition in Leviticus 27:30-33 which defines a tithe as a tenth of crops of animals.

Beg pardons, Judy, but God never changed His command to take the tithe to the Levites.

Beg pardons, Judy, but God NEVER gave any pastor or church permission to receive the tithe.

Beg pardons, Judy, but do you follow the Bible, or do you follow false teachings by man?
---Gary on 11/11/10


Beg pardons, but God nor his disciples never did away with Malachi 3:8,9,10
---judy6696 on 11/8/10

Malachi 3:7 - God is referring to his ORDINANCES for tithes and offerings.

Colossians 2:14 - ORDINANCES are nailed to the cross.

Malachi 3:9 - The curse for not tithing.

Galatians 3:13 - Jesus redemmed us from the curse.

Malachi 3:8 - Robbing God. HOW was God robbed? By NOT taking the tithe TO THE LEVITES.
---Gary on 11/11/10


Beg pardons, but God nor his disciples never did away with Malachi 3:8,9,10 As for nobody following the rules of the old testament? What are the ten commandments? Are they not rules, a guideline? I should say so. The old is just as important as the new. The old tells us who God almighty really is. You have to rightly divide the word of God. You can't take one scripture and walk away thinking you have already solved the puzzle. It takes more and more scriptures fitting together just as the body of Christ. The holy word of God, every word is rightly divided. Every word is what we need or else the good Lord would have not let it be so. God bless.
---judy6696 on 11/8/10


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judy, Jesus did not charge cursed tithes, nor one cent to minister: "All their wickedness in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes rebellious. And he found in the Temple them selling bullocks and firstling sheep and doves, and them coin changers sitting, and having made a whip out of green stems he drove out all them out of the Temple, and the firstling sheep and them bullocks and the money-chargers, pouring out the coins and overturning the tables. It is written, My house will be called the House of Prayer: but you all have made it a Den of robbers." Ho.9:15+ Jn.2:14,15+ Mt.21:13.
---Eloy on 9/20/10


Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes, but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. ...francis

Hebrews was written BEFORE the Temple was destroyed. The Jews didn't understand the change that took place at Calvary and they kept tithing to the Levites UNTIL the Temple was destroyed in the year 70 AD. That explains the present tense of Hebrews 7:8.

Jen - not all denominations teach and collect the tithe and they seem to collect enough money. Pastors who teach and collect the tithe are either ignorant or liars. I personally know both types.
---Gary on 9/19/10


Jen, Offerings are not equal to tithing, and giving is not equal to robbing. The Lord God Jesus did not charge any cursed tithe, nor one cent to minister, and we are to follow his way. Who builds a house without counting the cost? If a member or some members in the congregation are in need because of losing their spouse or losing their job, then all the members can give a collection of money and food and clothes to help the needy. The church is a house of prayer, not an organization where the sheep are robbed by a sinuous pastor. There were times when I was destitute and had no money, and I stayed homw from church because I had no money to put into the plate, this hurt me deeply because I have great love for my God.
---Eloy on 9/19/10


Jen,

I don't think you know what Tithing is. I suggest you study it first before posting.

It is not about giving.

It is an Old Testament law stating to give 10%. Mainly to the Levites since they did not own property.

Different subject than giving as a Christian.

Many get confused about this and argue about giving. That is not Tithing.
---John on 9/19/10


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I think we can always use scripture to argue for or against the same exact point but can we look at it from a modern world view...if we are not tithing then how are we supporting (paying the bills and helping the needy) without tithing??? To my knowledge there is no money tree mentioned in the Bible. The true blessing comes when not only to we tithe because we must financially support our churches and other Christian organizations but then to take it one step further and tithe with a glad heart. God really takes notice of these things! He sees all of our hearts.
---Jen on 9/19/10


Welcome back, Donna66, good to see you. I hope all is well.
---Rod4Him on 9/19/10


tithing is sin, and brings a curse.
---Eloy on 9/19/10


I will be content to ride the fence on this one for awhile, but I do know that 10% of one's income in the old testament was needed to support the 13th tribe of Israel.

The 12 tribes of Israel received territories, whereas the tribe of Levi, which was a tribe of priests, could live in any tribe's given territory and even disperse throughout the whole land of Israel. Wherever they settled, the host had to give 10% of their bounty to feed, clothe, and house them.
---Higgins on 9/19/10


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Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes, but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Well, this verse was written many years after Jesus dies.

This verses says two things:
1: men on earth were receiving tithes
2: Jesus receives the tithes

1 Corinthians 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

We need to keep returning tithes.
It is how those in OT and NT times who ministered the Gospel made a living.
---francis on 9/19/10


Sag -- You are right on! Not many would stay in a church where they were continually blamed for the financial problems of the church.

How many could give "cheerfully" under these conditions?

To quote a friend of mine "The shepherd is to FEED the sheep, not BEAT them"
---Donna66 on 9/18/10


A friend of mine was "laid off" from an Assemblies of God church. The church was going through financial difficulties. My friend told me that the reason for the church's money problems were that:

"People In The Church Just Don't Tithe Like They Should". Hmmm.

The MORE that the Pastor emphasied this, the LESS people attended and gave in their offerings. Eventually, the Pastor was replaced and the church is now doing better.

I wonder if this church's problems resulted from a Pastor who tried to "bully" his congregation into giving. That just doesn't work. God wants us to give cheerfully. Not out of duress.
---Sag on 9/18/10


The Moderator is absolutely correct!

The Law is written on your hearts, you give what the Holy Spirit tells you to give. It could be nothing and it could be everything.


It is Blasphemy for a Pastor or Church to ask for Tithing!
---John on 9/18/10


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If a person gives because they "feel they have to," they are not understanding the Bible's teaching on giving. Many preachers may actually "browbeat" their congregation into "tithing" to fill their own pockets, but the Bible teaches that we should give willingly as the Lord gives us increase. Your gift should be a "free-will offering" and not a response to someone demanding that you give.
---tommy7376 on 9/18/10


If you ever encounter a pastor ranting about "robbing" God by not paying your tithe, just ask him what he does with the poor tithes.

In the OT, Israel was a theocracy type of government and a full 1/3 of all tithes and offerings were dedicated to social welfare programs. Today we do not live in a theocracy, but our social security and medicare taxes are for the same purpose.

My current church gives less than 1% of its total $6 million annual haul to missions or "poor tithe" needs. But, we have a full time athletics "pastor" at $70-$80K just to head up basketball, volleyball, softball, and golf, "ministries".
---Obewan on 9/18/10


The Didache, maybe authored by Paul and Barnabas

Woe to him who receives, if one receives who has need, he is guiltless, he who receives not having need shall pay the penalty, why he received and for what.

Let your alms sweat in your hands, until you know to whom you should give.

Let every apostle who comes to you be received as the Lord. But he shall not remain more than one day, or two days, if there's a need. But if he remains three days, he is a false prophet. ... If he asks for money, he is a false prophet.

Whoever says in the Spirit, Give me money, or something else, you shall not listen to him. But if he tells you to give for others' sake who are in need, let no one judge him.
---Rod4Him on 9/17/10


No tithing is not necessary today as Jesus ( Emmanuel which means" God with us") changed everything when he gave his disciples instruction to go and preach his message. he told them to take no money and when he told them to go into houses and towns he told them to find one that was acceptable and there stay until they left.
The KJV left Out a part.
---Royal on 9/17/10


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judy - Malachi doesn't apply to born-again believers.

Galatians 3:13 - Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us

The curse in Malachi was redeemed by Christ. Either accept what Jesus did on the cross, on continue to believe OT curses.

Use a Hebrew dictionary and you will find the blessing spoke of is RAIN - God would pour out a blessing RAIN from heaven.
---Gary on 9/17/10


In the OT Israel was a civil/religious society. The tithe was similar to a tax, and the Levites were the religious/civil rulers.

Also, as someone pointed out, the tithe was on the increase of crops and herds. So, to be technical, one could evaluate their assets at the beginning of a year and then at the end of the year and give part of their "increase" to the poor and to further the gospel.

judy's great question, "How do we know what is still valid in OT?" is quite involved and won't be answered in 125 words.

The "tithe" is misapplied today to make people feel guilty, so they'll give to the institutional church.
---Rod4Him on 9/17/10


only free will offerings are given with a cheerful heart

then why is it they call it 10% or tithe. and pastors & televangelist KEEP quoting malachi & robbing god when we mandatorily don't give the everlasting issues of tithe.

if nobody follows the rules of the old testament, then is the old testament NOT BIBLICAL?
---mike on 9/17/10


well what about malachi that says we are cursed with a curse if we do not tithe and will receive blessings if we do?and the scripture that not one jot or tittle of the law will pass away(heaven and earth would pass away first)?We still follow the ten commandments.How do we know what is still valid in OT?
---judy on 9/17/10


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If a person tithes, I hope their church accepts one tenth of their animal and crop increase as well as having a Levite priest there to accept the tithe so that he could tithe off that to God.
Lev 27:30-32 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD. And if a man will at all redeem [ought] of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth [part] thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Num 18:24a But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer [as] an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit...
---micha9344 on 9/17/10


Tithing is not an obligation, but an opportunity. One mission that I know uses a sogan I gave them and they have printed it on their receipts, it states, "An investment with the highest return". It is not possible to out-give God, but just make sure your attitude is correct. If you tithe because you feel it's an obligation, that would be a poor reason, and I doubt that God would be pleased or bless you because of a poor attitude.
---wivv on 9/17/10


The moderator is correct.
---mima on 9/17/10


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