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Can A Priest Be Called Father

Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." In light of the way Catholics address the men that are their priest, I invite any and all Catholics to critique the above verse.

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1 Cor. 4:15 St. Paul said he has become their father in Christ Jesus.Paul also calls Timothy his beloved son in the Lord. God is not the author of confusion. Every Christian can't be their own church and go by opening their Bible and letting the Holy Spirit sway as it may. This must account for why there are tens of thousands of different denominations. 1 Tim. 3:15 should give you pause and contemplation "the church is the pillar and foundation of truth." I was frustrated for years until I did a year long search of what the early Christians believed. I pray you will all research it for yourself and ask God to open your eyes. Didn't you ever wonder what happened in the church before the 15th and 16th hundreds?
---Jessie on 12/31/11


I think this is referring to the positioning of those 'begotten' into a new creature and not born Sons not offsprings
-Son of David-

To believe in the Son of God-we call God Father.
1 jn 3:1,Rom 8:14
Yeshua-Jesus Christ is our High Priest (Hebrews 5-13)

As far a Mary-some pray to her making her a mediator.
However-there is only One meditor-Jesus Christ-The Word of God.
Some pray to her which places her in the position of a mediator.
To have someone pray with you-to my understanding is having someone standing one the Word of God in agreement.
Mat18:19
---char on 10/14/10


First, let the record show, I do not approve of knocking anyones religion. In this case, here is what I found....St. Paul call himself a Father in 1 Cor. iv. 15, but he uses that to denote, not authority, but affection.....Call no man Father in the spiritual sense. Our religion must not derived from, or made to depend upon any man.
---catherine on 9/29/10


You can call a person anything you want to.
Call me a mule, does that make me one. A judge is addressed as your honor, does that make him honorable.
A father had an important part in your birth, my father was there when I was conceived. This is my earthly father. God was there when I received the new birth, made a new creation. This is my heavenly father.
The Bible teaches that we have one spiritual father, God. My earthly father is gone on but I still honor him as father. My heavenly father is always here and I honor him as such. To call anyone else father, earthly or heavenly, is to dishonor the true one.
---Harold on 9/27/10


The word says if any man be afflicted let him pray. If he has an infirmity let him call on the elders to pray for him. (James 5)
There are times we pray for ourselves and times to call on the elders.
But, we are to call no man on earth father.
There is one Father. Jehovah, God Almighty.
But, some have exalted man beyond what he is to be.
John called the church the elect lady and her children and said "little children keep yourself from idols."
But, he did not call himself father. Anyone can say little children as acknowledging those who come to Christ as a child as the Lord said.
When a priest thinks of himself so highly he won't be called brother (as I have seen) he thinks of himself as "Father."
---Frank on 9/27/10




/I suppose you never ask other people to pray for you, do you?
You'd better not, because that would be making these people mediators, right?
-Cluny/

Answering with the same reasoning you now use: THEN why would you need the "Fathers" if you may ask anyone to pray for you and it would all do the same good?

Answering the questions: If you trust their prayer to give you indulgence, yes, then you've made them mediators.

And even if they just pray for you, they are never your way to the Father (God). Only Jesus is - "no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME" (John14:6)
---emmy on 9/27/10


\\And what Mima writes about the rosary is a very good example of something (i.e. Mary) taking the position which actually belongs only to Jesus.\\

It was wrong when mima said it, and your agreeing with him doesn't make the statement any less wrong.

\\ When He's described at the ONLY mediator, how come she's called a mediator TOO????\\

And I suppose you never ask other people to pray for you, do you?

You'd better not, because that would be making these people mediators, right?
---Cluny on 9/24/10


"(When you go to a doctor, are you placing your doctor between you and Jesus? Or do you do something similar when you listen to your pastor?)" - cluny

Well, if you trust that doctor or that pastor to give you a part in salvation which you think you won't get without them, I guess you do. God may USE the doctor or the pastor to help you. But you should not think of them as closer to God than what it's possible for yourself to come.

And what Mima writes about the rosary is a very good example of something (i.e. Mary) taking the position which actually belongs only to Jesus. When He's described at the ONLY mediator, how come she's called a mediator TOO????
---emmy on 9/23/10


\\Every time the rosary is repetitiousLY repeated the speaker places Mary between themselves and Jesus.\\

Not at all.
---Cluny on 9/23/10


Every time the rosary is repetitiousLY repeated the speaker places Mary between themselves and Jesus.
---mima on 9/23/10




\\I'm afraid many people do, Cluny.\\

emmy, you were not discussing the practice of auricular confession.

What you said was, "If we place humans, dead or alive, between us and Jesus, we turn away from Him, away from the way, truth and life"

I said I don't know ANYBODY who does that.

You seem to think you do. How many people do you know who ACTUALLY do what I have quoted you as saying they do, namely put someone between themselves and Jesus?

(When you go to a doctor, are you placing your doctor between you and Jesus? Or do you do something similar when you listen to your pastor?)
---Cluny on 9/23/10


The Lord said call no man on earth your father. Why go against what he said?
The Lord said that he that speaks a word against the Holy Ghost blasphemies and it shall not be forgiven.
Since Christ had the fullness of the Spirit what he said was brought forth by the Spirit.
To speak or teach against the words of Jesus Christ is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost and shall not be forgiven.
---Frank on 9/23/10


"I don't know anybody who does this..." - Cluny

I'm afraid many people do, Cluny. Confessing sins to a (human) father, so that he can judge and decide forgiveness (which the RCC actually teaches!) - that's just one example.

The Bible tells us that Jesus is the mediator - the only one - between us and God. He's the only one who can have this role - because of who he is!

The Bible calls him our high priest, "holy, harmless, undefiled etc" (see Hebr.7:26-28)!

We're told:

"If any man sin, we have and advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, the righteous" (1John2:1).

So we should confess our sins to Him, not to a "father" (who's just as much a sinner as us)...
---emmy on 9/22/10


"I don't know anybody who does this..." - Cluny

PART 2:

Another example of how humans ("fathers") are placed in God's position:

Why does the RCC teach that only the church, i.e. its bishops, are the only ones that are able to interpret the scriptures (see "Dei Verbum" no.12+25, document from the 2nd vatican council) - while the Bible says that "they shall teach no more every man his neightbour... saying, Know the Lord, for they sall ALL know me, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord" (Jer.31:34)?

Jesus said The Holy Spirit will teach everyone - also the "least" in the chruch hierarchy - what we need to know to be saved (see John16:7-13)!
---emmy on 9/22/10


**//If we place humans, dead or alive, between us and Jesus, we turn away from Him, away from the way, truth and life.//**

I don't know anybody who does this, and what's more, you don't either, emmy.

Though you might simply THINK you do.
---Cluny on 9/21/10


//If we place humans, dead or alive, between us and Jesus, we turn away from Him, away from the way, truth and life.//

Exactly, emmy.

The RCC is a bit pharisaical in wanting to decide who gets to partake of spiritual things, like the pharisees who could put people out of the synagogue. It puts men and "holy tradition" in between man and God. Thank God through our Lord Jesus Christ that we can come boldly to the thrown of Grace.

The RCC complicates a spiritual life in Christ with all kinds of add ons that have no value against the flesh.
---Rod4Him on 9/20/10


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Auguie,

None of the things you said is relevant to the discussion. It is a fact that both Jesus Christ and His Holy Apostles refer to other men on earth as "our Father" or "our Fathers" in reference to a spiritual fatherhood. Thus, Matthew 23:9-11 should NOT be taken literally, and must be taken as a hyperbole. And all translations agree, and none diff in this respect.

Yes, the Holy Apostles was not sinless, but when they spoke (or wrote) any dogmas of the Church, they were infallible.

Thus, your statement "I believe that calling anyone, but GOD, by the name FATHER is nothing short of blasphemy" is incorrect.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/20/10


The question is: Do we NEED the "Fathers"?

Concerning His true covenant, God says:

"they shall teach no more every man his neightbour... for they shall ALL KNOW ME, from the least of them unto the greatest..." (Jer.31:34)

Position is unimportant. EVERYONE has the SAME access to God!

Jesus says:

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by ME." (John14:6)

If we place humans, dead or alive, between us and Jesus, we turn away from Him, away from the way, truth and life.

Jer.17:5-8 describes this problem very well!
---emmy on 9/20/10


Either we must conclude that Christ' was using hyperbole or Christ' contradicted Himself in the Gospels and his disciples err. Which do you believe?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/19/10

You have an interesting question.

I do believe that Jesus Christ was sinless. We know that his discples were NOT.

Jesus was betrayed, denied, etc. by HIS OWN disciples. And when he rode into Jerusalem, the city's people "turned against" him overnight. I have to conclude that it was the disciples who erred. Just like people today.

It is also quite possible that the Bibles I've been reading -- such as the Living Bible -- are NOT 100% error free. Man-made errors get through in every translation of the Bible.
---Augie on 9/20/10


"No way!

Jesus and his disciples were referring to our Father in Heaven: GOD." (Auguie)

According to you, Jesus Christ and the Holy Apostles DID IN FACT commit the sin of blasphemy, for they called others, besides the Father in Heaven, "our Father" or "our Fathers"! Please explain the Scriptures I posted before.

It is quite clear that even his own disciples understood that Christ was using hyperbole for they did not take his words literally! But you do. Very strange.....

Either we must conclude that Christ' was using hyperbole or Christ' contradicted Himself in the Gospels and his disciples err. Which do you believe?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/19/10


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But how many have you met really? I've never met any, and I can't imagine that any Christian would think that way

---alan8566_of_uk on 9/19/10

One group that really seems to think that way would be the Assemblies of God.

I've met people who attended their colleges, seminary, etc. From talking with them, they are side-by-side with GOD. Some AOG thinking is clearly un-Biblical. Like one AOG Pastor's command to "give" after a Christmas program or else curses.

The AOG is also involved in Argentina and I heard a missionary talk about how Argentina is in a "Holy Revival". Nothing about respecting, or praying for, the people in the Falkland Islands. A bit "hypocritical" if you ask me.
---Augie on 9/19/10


If you read the Acts of the Apostles, you will see that St. Stephen and St. Paul addressed gatherings in synagogues as "men, brethren, FATHERS, and you-who-fear-God [the THEOVOUMENOI, a technical term."

Did they sin thereby?
---Cluny on 9/19/10


So in your opinion, Jesus Christ and the Holy Apostles committed the sin of blasphemy?

In IC.XC.,

---Ignatius on 9/19/10

No way!

Jesus and his disciples were referring to our Father in Heaven: GOD.
---Augie on 9/19/10


"I believe that calling anyone, but GOD, by the name FATHER is nothing short of blasphemy." (Augie)

So in your opinion, Jesus Christ and the Holy Apostles committed the sin of blasphemy?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/19/10


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Yes ChrisTan!

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

1Co 11:16!
---TheSeg on 9/19/10


Mima,

My calling the Priest "Father" would be putting GOD down.

HE told us to only call HIM "Father" for a good reason. I believe that many folks in the Catholic church have, obviously, either forgotten, become slaves to church tradition, or just don't care.

That reason is that only GOD himself is THE FATHER. Creator of Heaven, Earth, and everything else.

Old habits "die" hard among Catholics. I know. I'm probably "one of the few" Catholics that doesn't call the Priest "Father". And, I don't feel that I need to go to confession about that either.
---Sag on 9/19/10


I've met some people who seem to believe that their church buildings, colleges, etc. are MORE "spiritually" important than even Jesus Christ and HIS church. That's impossible folks!
---Augie on 9/19/10

Correct. The Bible has a term for that: IDOLATRY. And GOD deplores it.

This has been a problem since people were created and sin entered the world. I still wonder WHY the Israelites decided to build the Golden Calf in the desert. Read the book of Exodus in the Bible.

Today, I think that many church buildings are probably bigger, taller, more valuable, etc. than the Israelites' Golden Calf.



---Sag on 9/19/10


"I've met some people who seem to believe that their church buildings, colleges, etc. are MORE "spiritually" important than even Jesus Christ and HIS church. That's impossible folks!"
---Augie

Too right!!

But how many have you met really? I've never met any, and I can't imagine that any Christina would think that way
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/19/10


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I want to remind people that this practice of calling a Bishop/Presbyter (etc) "Father X" to denote spiritual fatherhood is also practiced in all the Eastern Churches and in numerous Protestant churches. In manner of fact, the term "Mother" is used by many Baptist congregations to denote a female spiritual motherhood.

The Holy Apostles DID NOT take Christ' words literally. They understood that Christ' was using hyperbole and condemning hypocritical behavior, not the titles.

I find it amusing how some Protestants distort this Scripture to fit in their personal agenda, like Mima.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/19/10


The one and most important thing is Roman Catholicism is definitely NOT Christianity!

It has all the hallmarks of false christianity.
---ChrisTan on 9/18/10

I believe that the same thing could be said about other denominations, types, etc. of churches.

Not enough room in this short blog to list them all. And WHY their "official" positions on things are clearly un-Biblical, or at least questionable.

I believe that calling anyone, but GOD, by the name FATHER is nothing short of blasphemy.

I've met some people who seem to believe that their church buildings, colleges, etc. are MORE "spiritually" important than even Jesus Christ and HIS church. That's impossible folks!
---Augie on 9/19/10


I don't think it is the name that is important, after all all jews did refer to Abraham as FATHER.

It is the unusual/ unbiblical reverence that those who are called father or master usually recieve.

That type of reverence is reserved only for God.
And let me add this: PLEASE RESPECT and LOVE your priests, pastors, elders, deacons, and bishops, but do not reverence them as you would God the father.
---francis on 9/19/10


The one and most important thing is Roman Catholicism is definitely NOT Christianity! It has all the hallmarks of false christianity as taught by Paul in his epistles. "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works." (2 Cor 11:13-15)
---ChrisTan on 9/18/10


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whatever, cluny, my question was unimportant anyway with no spiritual implications. All I was saying is that cultures change and are different from one another. I'm from California and can't remember the last time someone used Mr. or Mrs. It doesn't make it right or wrong.

Sorry we can't have a discussion without you always being right and with the last word.
---Rod4Him on 9/18/10


If you look at any standard dictionary--even an on-line one--you will see that "Mr." and "Mrs." and "mistress" are just variants of the word "master."
---Cluny on 9/18/10


\\cluny, our culture is changing from using Mr. When was the last time you called someone Mr.?\\

Generally I call a gentleman Mr. (and a lady Mrs. or Miss) until instructed to use another form of address.

The problem is our culture is assuming too many familiarities too soon.
---Cluny on 9/18/10


trey said: "Even the word Pope means Father. It means Papa. The Catholics belive that the Pope is their intercessor or go between between them and God, but the scriptures teach that Christ is our intercessor/daysman/advocate."

It is obvious that there is a misunderstanding about the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church.

The Pope is not intercessor for Catholics. Rather, he is the Bishop of Rome, and the stopping point for all disagreement between Catholics. He is also the spokesman for all Catholics on the world stage.
---ZedEx on 9/18/10


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For all have sinned!
To me this means. You have already sinned!
Is this not as good as having call someone father, already?
I did this! But, I didnt do that!

Well then maybe you should do it, and know you are guilty of it!
Then you can ask God to forgive us both!
Or is something inside you is telling you, I am better than him?
---TheSeg on 9/18/10


What does Jesus mean by this verse?
The answer is found in (Matthew 5:48)
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

What Jesus is saying in the verse is for us not to use our earthly fathers, or our teacher as our measure of rightousness, but to conform to and make God the Father our righteous measure.

Many people try to walk in the ways of their Fathers or their teachers, instead of the ways of God the Father.
---David on 9/18/10


cluny, our culture is changing from using Mr. When was the last time you called someone Mr.?
Rod4Him, I call men Mister regularly. I do prison ministry at a facility close to my home and I address the men there usually as Mr. So-and-so. I even say sir and ma'am when speaking to people, even children. When I speak to even a little child I will say 'Yes, Sir/Ma'am' to them. Some people may think me strange if they hear me do this, but, I feel it's a way to encourage proper manners in the younger people. Just because society at large doesn't know how to show respect doesn't mean we should forget it, too.
---tommy3007 on 9/18/10


Mima, good point!
Even the word Pope means Father. It means Papa. The Catholics belive that the Pope is their intercessor or go between between them and God, but the scriptures teach that Christ is our intercessor/daysman/advocate.
Isa 59:16, Job 9:33, 1John 2:1-2.
---trey on 9/18/10


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May I point out that the NEXT verse forbids calling others "master"?

This means we can't use "Mr." and "Mrs." which are nothing but variant spellings of the word "master"?
---Cluny on 9/17/10

WOW! WHAT A STRETCH!!!

Defending your Church Traditions against the undefendable truth of G-d Cluny?

Sounds like you lose your touch! I guess even you are lost for words (or logic) when is comes to defending Blasphemy.
---John on 9/17/10


Rod4him,

Christ told us to "honor our Father and Mother". Christ used the word "Father" to refer to spiritual leaders (Matt. 3:9, Luke 3:8, Luke 16:24,30).

Saint Peter (and Saint John) called David "Father" and called the OT Patriarchs "Fathers" (Acts 3:13,25, 5:30, Acts 4:25).

Read Acts 7:11-12, 15,19,38,44-45,51-52 (Stephen refers to our "fathers" in the faith), and Acts 13:17,32,36, 24:14, 26:6, 28:17,25 (Saint Paul also refers to the God of our "fathers" in the faith). Read Rom. 4:1 (Saint Paul calls Abraham our "forefather.), Rom. 4:16-17 (Saint Paul says that Abraham is the "father" of us all, etc).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/17/10


cluny, our culture is changing from using Mr. When was the last time you called someone Mr.?

The Biblical context seems to be explaining that when the issue is spiritual authority, Jesus is the final authority and not man, especially so-called scribes, priests, and "you disciples are all equal with each other," and all men are also equal before God.
---Rod4Him on 9/17/10


#2 My last post was not directed towards Rod4him.

Saint James called Abraham "our Father" (James 2:21). Read Acts 22:3 (Saint Paul says he was educated according to the strict law of our "fathers"). Read 1 Peter 1:18, 2 Peter 3:4 (Saint Peter talked about our "Fathers"). Apparently, Christ' disciples err right?

How about "teachers" (Matt 23:10)? In the church at Antioch certain men were called "prophets and teachers" (Acts 13:1). Saint Paul not only recognized teachers as gifts of God to the Church (1 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11), but he also did not hesitate to call himself "a teacher of the Gentiles." (2 Tim 1:11).

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 9/17/10


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"For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel." (1 Corinthians 3:15) So, Paul was saying they *needed* people who were "fathers" . . . ones who would therefore be called "fathers" or a "father", I guess. Plus, Paul said he had *begotten* them through the Gospel: they were not begotten physically, butspiritually, so Paul was *spiritually* their father, but this is in sharing with God of whom love's spiritual begetting comes. "Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God," (2 Corinthians 3:5)
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/17/10


May I point out that the NEXT verse forbids calling others "master"?

This means we can't use "Mr." and "Mrs." which are nothing but variant spellings of the word "master"?
---Cluny on 9/17/10


Ignatius, //..Himself called Abraham his Father..// the poor man Lazarus speaking in Abraham's bosom speaking.
Acts 3:15, is referring to Jesus.
Acts 7:2, 22:1, showing respect to forefathers, not to one person.
Acts 22:14, is referring to Jesus.
I John 2:13, context indicates to mature believers.
I Corin4:15, spiritual relationship, not title. We should respect those types. Because a person is a "father" to you doesn't make him one to me.

As far as we know, they didn't give people personal titles.

//Christ main concern was not the titles, but the attitude behind the person who used such titles. One shouldn't use those titles to foster pride and deception (as the Pharisees did).//

I totally agree.
---Rod4Him on 9/17/10


Mima:

I'm a Catholic.

One of the Ten Commandments says to "Honor Thy Father and Mother . . ." I believe that that is referring to your EARTHLY male parent. I DO honor my EARTHLY father.

Matthew 23:9 is referring to my SPIRITUAL Father, who is GOD in Heaven. HE is the ONLY SPIRITUAL leader that I refer to as THE FATHER.

This has caused problems in my Catholic church. I don't refer to ANY priest as "Father ". I just use their legal, or given, name. Period.

There isn't any man-made law that says we need to call a Catholic Priest "Father". And it isn't "right" to do so, because the Bible says to ONLY call GOD "FATHER". HE is our FATHER in Heaven!
---Sag on 9/17/10


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No a priest cannot called father from the earthly venue.

(1Cor 4:15 [NET])
For though you may have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, because I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

(1Cor 4:16 [NET])
I encourage you, then, be imitators of me.
---Royal on 9/17/10


In light of the fact that Himself called Abraham his Father (Luke 16:24,30), honor his parents, and the Apostles also called the Holy Patriarchs their Fathers (etc) (Acts 3:15, Acts 7:2, 22:1, 14, 1 John 2:13, 1 Cor. 4:15, 1 Cor. 4:17, Phil. 2:22, Philemon 10, 1 Tim. 1:2,18 are just few of the Scriptures), Jesus Christ was using Hyperbole. Remember, Saint Paul called himself "Father" to the the Corinthians (1 Cor 4:15). There are numerous of Scriptures where the Apostles called someone "Father" in a spiritual sense

Christ main concern was not the titles, but the attitude behind the person who used such titles. One shouldn't use those titles to foster pride and deception (as the Pharisees did).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/17/10


Darlene 1, I agree with your basic premise that we shouldn't "concern or trouble" ourselves if that means "don't fight and devour one another." Questions are asked and answered here, hopefully for the edification of one another.

I personally appreciate questions as they challenge me to "what I believe, and why I believe it."
---Rod4Him on 9/17/10


---Bruce5656

Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ, and all ye are brethren.

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Matthew 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Matthew 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Matthew 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

This is not about a name, as much as it is about humility and servanthood.
---FRANCIS on 9/17/10


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We have what the Bible says but should we be concerned about one thing another Denomination does when every Denomination believes and follows some doctrines that others don't. Why trouble ourselves or them about them for when they have what the Bible says and don't follow that but what their denomination says do they must be quickened in their hearts by God himself to change or go against their particular groups beliefs. Aren't we suspose to pray for others and let God do his work according to his own time. It isn't the different beliefs which will get us all to Heaven but the common belief in Jesus,Son of God,made,flesh,crucified,dead,risen,and sets on the right hand of God in his throne. Let go and let God,he is wiser than man.
---Darlene_1 on 9/17/10


Reuben, Honor your mother and father...is probably referring to taking care of one's mother and father when they are older and need financial and physical support.

That is a stretch to say that verse means what you say it means.
---Rod4Him on 9/17/10


Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth,for one is you Father,which is in Heaven.
---Darlene_1 on 9/17/10


Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." In light of the way Catholics address the men that are their priest, I invite any and all Catholics to critique the above verse.Mima-

What do you call your Father on earth Dad:

What does 'Honor your Father' mean?

Remember the verse says call no man your Father...But yet the 4th commandment tell us to Honor our Father.
---Ruben on 9/17/10


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I am not RCC mima, but allow me to rephrase your question to address many protestant churches. Allow me to also refer to the following verse you didn't quote. "Do not be called leaders, for One is your Leader, that is, Christ."

"In light of the way protestants address the men that are their pastors, I invite any and all protestants to critique the above verse.""
---Rod4Him on 9/17/10


francis,
The verses you quote refer to someone being as a father and as a son. This is not a "title". It would seem that Jesus had something different in mind.

When two verses seem to contridict each other, we must reconcile them somehow. Given that you take the verses you quoted to justify calling someone "father" how do you reconcile this witht Jesus' instructions in Matt 23?
---Bruce5656 on 9/17/10


1 Thessalonians 2:11 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father [doth] his children,

1 Timothy 1:2 Unto Timothy, [my] own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
If tinothy is his SON in the faith, is not paul then his FATHER in the faith.

1 Timothy 5:1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat [him] as a FATHER, [and] the younger men as brethren,
---francis on 9/17/10


NO.

If he hasn't been married to have any children of his own ( maybe other cituations ) & or legally adopted, he's Not a father. Certainly Not in the Man - made trin relig org's, the r c c.
---Lawrence on 9/17/10


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Without looking at your Bible, mima, can you tell us what the NEXT verse says? (I can, btw--and I've quoted it on these blogs.)
---Cluny on 9/17/10


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