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Fate Of Isolated People Groups

What is the fate of jungle people or other isolated groups who have never heard of the gospel of Jesus Christ? Eternal damnation or will they be judged by the condition of their hearts?

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Paul, speaking of the Gentiles in Romans 1:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness, because that which may be known of God is manifest IN THEM, for GOD HATH SHOWED it unto them.

This God given intuitive knowledge of God leaves man without an excuse before God. This is the passage of Scripture Jerry is referring to. For some reason it stands unchallenged. You claim no man can have any knowledge of God apart from the Holy Spirit but Romans 1:18-25 clearly says the unsaved (Gentiles) have both a conscience and the creation.
---Linda on 10/24/10


God is clearly seen in His creation and the things that are made give an understanding of His eternal power and GODHEAD. The conscience both excuses and accuses men to each other. God would not give something of no use. Verse 21 even says they knew God because of what God showed them but were unthankful and did not glorify Him as God. Verse 32 says they know the judgment of God. The whole idea of there being no choice in the unsaved is not supported by this passage. No man will be able to say, "I had no idea". There is no excuse whatsoever for man to say there is no God. He only does that by ignoring the intuitive knowledge of the wrath of God revealed in the conscience and ignoring the visible creation.
---LindaS on 10/24/10


Jerry, you said,
"Every human being on earth has some concept of the one true God, and thus may, if they respond to the voice of the Holy Spirit within them, obtain salvation."
They are blind, deaf, and cannot perceive the Truth, how can they respond to the Holy Spirit within them if they don't have the Holy Spirit within them?
What you are now suggesting is that every single person in the world has the Holy Spirit within them. Not Scriptural. Only believers by faith in Christ Jesus works have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. I'm pretty sure SDA's in general do not believe what you just said. I have read alot about them, and no where do I find that anywhere. If it is your teaching show us where it is written it is.
---MarkV. on 10/24/10


Rom 12:3 ... God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Every human being on earth has some concept of the one true God, and thus may, if they respond to the voice of the Holy Spirit within them, obtain salvation. God loves all His children equally - even those in the jungles.
---jerry6593 on 10/24/10


"francis, why do you keep the 10 commandments?"
---micha9344 on 10/19/10

That's easy. Because they are COMMANDMENTS! They are not the Ten Options, the Ten Suggestions, or the Ten Good Ideas - they are COMMANDMENTS from God, and He expects ALL of us to obey whatever He commands. If we obey ourselves rather than God, then we are our own gods - or so we may think.
---jerry6593 on 10/23/10




Robyn ... What about those that have already died?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/22/10


As I said elsewhere. Jesus Christ will not return until all people, everywhere, has had a chance to accept salvation. We have many options to reach people now. No one will have an excuse. The bible tells us every knee will bow before Him(Christ) the Lord. So that lets us know that there is yet a lot of work to be done. The harvest is ripe and the laborers, are few. Once we share the gospel with someone, that is their opportunity to receive Christ. This why we as christians should share with others at every chance we get. We have planted the seed(opportunity), and God will do the watering(saving)And blessed is He who saves souls, His/her many sins will be forgiven.
---Robyn on 10/22/10


Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:
Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Heb 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Exodus 20:5b visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me,
---micha9344 on 10/22/10


Back to the blog question

There are isolated people who have never heard of the law of God, they will be judged without the law.

Some will be saved, and some will be lost.
the bible specifically address this:

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)
---francis on 10/22/10


Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Ephesians 5:8-10 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth,) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
---micha9344 on 10/21/10




Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

NO WE DO NOT CONTINUE TO SIN, WE OBEY THE LAW OF GOD

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith?
NO WE DO NOT MAKE THE LAW VOID BECAUSE OF OUR FAITH, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE FAITH WE ESTABLISH / KEEP THE LAW

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin?
NO THE LAW IS NOT SIN, THE LAW POINTS OUT WHAT SIN IS.
---francis on 10/21/10


Blind to everything you do not want to see...
---micha9344 on 10/21/10



---micha9344 same question as I asked MIMA

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith?

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin?
---fancis on 10/20/10


Rom 7:1a,1c,4a,6a Know ye not, brethren...how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?..Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ..But now we are delivered from the law..
Rom 6:2b,4a,7,11b How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?..Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death..For he that is dead is freed from sin..reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 3:21,28 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets..Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
---micha9344 on 10/20/10


1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
---francis on 10/20/10


when a person murders another person that person is considered a murder forever! Therefore it should follow that when a person lies one time they are a liar forever!
Law keeping for the purpose of remaining saved is works and that type of works is a no-no!!1
---mima on 10/20/10
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith?

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin?
---francis on 10/20/10


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If you say " no you are not under the law" if you do these, them michael you idea of under the law is flawed.

If I honour my father and mother, am i under the law?

If i do not commit adultery am i under the law?

If i do not steal, am i under the law?

If i do not lie, am i under the law?

If i do not worship other gods am i under the law?

If i do not take Gods name in vain am i under the law?

If i do not make idols and bow down to them, am i under the law?

If i do not covet my neighbours goods am i under the law?

If i do not murder am i under the law?

Also, would you say that these laws are for jews only?
---francis on 10/20/10


Francis let us consider, when a person murders another person that person is considered a murder forever! Therefore it should follow that when a person lies one time they are a liar forever! Now to the question are you a liar? If not let us take a picture of you and put it on the wall. Remember
Law keeping for the purpose of remaining saved is works and that type of works is a no-no!!1
---mima on 10/20/10


Loaded question there francis.
I, as a follower of Christ, am not bound by the Jewish laws set forth for a hardhearted and gainsaying people.
But, the love I have for my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ compels me to keep the Law of Liberty, otherwise known as the Royal Law.
The 10 c. are passive, nothing is required to keep them, do not,do not, rest...
The 2 royal laws are active, they require you to do something, feed, visit, etc.
Although these overlap in some respect, the are not like each other in many others.
So, for example, not feeding the hungry will not break any of the 10, it does go against the Law of Love which is the Spirit of God.
You can take any of this out of context at your leisure if that is your desire.
---micha9344 on 10/19/10


micha9344, why do you not keep all 10 commandments?
---francis on 10/19/10


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francis, if you truly believe it is because of your love for Him, then you are not under the law. You are being obedient not because you have to out of requirement, but because you want to out of love.
That is the difference between being under the law and the law having no power over you.
I'm not sure if you truly believe this even though you have quoted scripture to that fact.
Now, the commandments that these NT vv reference would have to be the 2 royal laws, which encompass all the OT.
1Jo 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
Notice the word 'love' in 1John--33x.
The accusations that, just because many here claim not to be bound by the OT laws, they are still slave to sin is without merit.
---micha9344 on 10/19/10


francis, why do you keep the 10 commandments?
---micha9344 on 10/19/10

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
Psalms 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he will not hear.
---francis on 10/19/10


francis, why do you keep the 10 commandments?
---micha9344 on 10/19/10


1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Is it not they they cannot or do not break the law of God, it is that they do not live a life with the intention of breaking the law / commandmets of God.

For a christian sin is the exception, not the rule. In the passage there are church members being taught they they are not obligated to keep the commandmetts of God
---francis on 10/19/10


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"1 JOHN 3,9 Whosoever is born of GOD doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him, and he CANNOT SIN , because he is born of GOD."
---RICHARD on 10/18/10

The reason one who is born of God cannot sin is because of the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit within that does not sin. The flesh however is sinful and engages in sin as long as the born of God person lives. But the Lord Jesus Christ has already paid for the sin that a born-again believer engages in.

After the resurrection we will have a new body and there will be no sin in that body.
---mima on 10/19/10


-RICHARD on 10/18/10

compare your last two post.
Can you give a difference between one who is UNDER THE LAW, NOT UNDER THE LAW and one who KEEPS the COMMANDMENTS?

If i keep all ten commandments in the law am i under the law or am i doing the will of God?
---francis on 10/19/10


FRANCIS ---

What the characteristic of a true believers?
(They want to do the will of GOD)
JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of GOD,that we keep his commandment,and his commandments are not grievous.

1 JOHN 3,9 Whosoever is born of GOD doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him, and he CANNOT SIN , because he is born of GOD.
---RICHARD on 10/18/10


GALATIANS 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.
( CHRIST has pay for all a save person sins, past and future )
---RICHARD on 10/17/10
Your understanding of " UNDER THE LAW is flawed.
here is a christian sleeping with his father wife.

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

If this CHRISTIAN is NOT UNDER THE LAW, why can't he have his father's wife?
---francis on 10/18/10


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FRANCIS -----------

ROMANS 2,10 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law, ( Francis in both cases here, the people that hear the law and the people who did not , are unsave,Your under the law no matter what. ---- Now saying that, Once a person is save there not under the law any more)

GALATIANS 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.
( CHRIST has pay for all a save person sins, past and future )
---RICHARD on 10/17/10


That is a long complicated study. Here are some verses that might help you:

Romans 7:9 KJV For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Romans 2:14 KJV For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Romans 2:15 KJV Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)
---Casey on 10/14/10


Steveng "The true church of God is not a non-profit organization. It doesn't have assets or buildings that are nothing more than shackles"

That seems to me to be a perfect example of a non-profit organisation.

Maybe in the US there is a special definition of "non profit"

As I said before, I would not want to be in a church that was a "for profit" organisation.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/14/10


Cluny, I did not mean what you said. You've presented no facts, only your believes, just like everyone else that answers. What I meant is that it is not profitable for me to spend more time in the denomination of the RCC. I have enough information concerning their believes, plus Vatican 1 and ll, their catechisms, and many history books to look things up, every Pope and the mistresses and sons of some of the popes, the two popes who faught each other, and of course the news on the many priest who have molested children. That is enough for me. I speak against that Church doctrines, but never against the people. For the elect will come from all corners of the world, and I sure don't know who they are going to be. Only God knows them already.
---MarkV. on 10/14/10


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alan8566_of_uk: "Steveng ... Why do you have this hatred of anything that is a non-profit organization?"

First, I would like to say that I don't hate anything. People that have gotten to know me personally say that I'm the most contented person they have ever known.

As for non-profits, they are good in a worldly sort of way. As for the churches, the government controls how the church operates their business in order to keep their tax exempt status.

The true church of God is not a non-profit organization. It doesn't have assets or buildings that are nothing more than shackles to the world.
---Steveng on 10/13/10


\\Cluny, I know enough I want to know about RCC.\\

In other words, don't confuse you with facts, your mind is already made up.

In another post, you referred to how the Orthodox Church was excommunicated by the Pope (which one, you never say) in 1054.

His legate Cardnal Humbert of Silva Candida had issued that excommunication, but as Pope Leo IX had died by then, Humbert's legatine authority had ipso facto expired.

And your account of the Iconoclastic controversy is inaccurate, to.
---Cluny on 10/13/10


Cluny, I know enough I want to know about RCC. I made it my choice to learned for over five years after God saved me, even to the jesus on the holy torrtia in New Mexico and the pagan rituals in the latin countries. It was my duty to learn so that when I spoke I knew something about it. I have learned enough. Just like I studied J.W, witness. There is other matters more important now to study and the reason I spend more time on them answering. A terrible cloud is over the RCC. And speaking more about it only brings real anger. There is souls at stake, but their hearts have to be open for the Truth. And only God can do that. As He has done to many. And many more are coming who will also find the Truth, the Spirit will reveal it to them.
---MarkV. on 10/13/10


Cluny, "you are defending by correcting others" you think are misrepresenting the RCC, which is the same thing. The intention might be different. Yet in seeing your answers concerning their doctrines, most of what you defend, or as you say, correct, they seem to be the same doctrines you believe in. The removal of the Second Commandment and the traditions play a big part in both of your denominations. The main difference is the Pope and his infallibility, and of course some small matters.
---MarkV. on 10/13/10


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BTW, MarkV, if you honestly believe the rest of what you said, then you know nothing about Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, or Church history.
---Cluny on 10/13/10


Steveng ... Why do you have this hatred of anything that is a non-profit organization?

I would rather be a member of that than of a profit-making organization.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/13/10


\\Cluny, I know you are not Catholic, but you defend their views, as Igantius does, only when it is convenient for you.\\

I'm not defending their views.

I'm correcting misrepresentations of their views.

Do you understand the difference?
---Cluny on 10/13/10


Cluny, I know you are not Catholic, but you defend their views, as Igantius does, only when it is convenient for you. What I mean by that is only when both of your doctrines agree. It really is the same religion, a difference in language, because of location. Finally came the excummunication of your church from the RCC. Even before that time, the two sides didn't get along, one because they had different Emperors, one from the west and the other from the east. Then came the Iconoclast controversay which contributed still more division between the east and the west. And since the popes were supporters of the Iconodule. They found themselves cutoff from the West. But most of their doctrines and traditions are the same.
---MarkV. on 10/13/10


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Cluny: "I'm not Roman Catholic, as I've frequently said. And I don't agree with your denominational doctrines. We have none, as Orthodoxy is the original pre-denominational Church."

And as I have frequently said to you, cluny, your Orthodox religion IS a denomination having their own traditions, rituals, ways of living, interpretations of the bible, having buildings and assets, and, most revealing, if it is recognized by the state/country as being a non-profit organization.
---Steveng on 10/12/10


\\History of the RCC is not one of them.
---MarkV. on 10/8/10\\

I'm not Roman Catholic, as I've frequently said.

And I don't agree with your denominational doctrines.

We have none, as Orthodoxy is the original pre-denominational Church.
---Cluny on 10/12/10


RICHARD how do you view these verses?

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
---francis on 10/12/10


STEVENG You said that people that OBEY the law,will be judge by obeying the law.I guest your saying these hypothetical people are save.Now you said they obey the Law so they would be judge by that.And what I was saying with GALATION 2:16 is No work we do can get us save.
But once a person save
JAMES 2:26 FOR as the body without the spirit is dead so FAITH without works is dead.( we do good works after were save)
The problem with your theory is where dose FAITH come from.
ROMANS 10:17 So Faith cometh by hearing,and hearing by the word of GOD.( You have to be under the hearing to be save)
---RICHARD on 10/11/10


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RICHARD: "GALATIANS 2:16 Knowing that a man is NOT justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of JESUS CHRIST,even we have believe in JESUS CHRIST, that we Might be justified by the faith of CHRIST,And NOT by works of the law, FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED."


You're thinking like a Jehovah Witness. JVs think that works come before salvation. The bible says works come after salvation for works without faith is dead faith.

Besides, how much plainer can you read into the verses that says all the other dead (not christians) shall rise at the second resurrection and shall be judged from the Book of Life - "according to their works."
---Steveng on 10/11/10


Romans 2:11For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,
Romans 2:13(For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

some will be lost, some will be saved
---francis on 10/3/10
---francis on 10/11/10


STEVENG 10/9/10 ( For God is a mereciful GOD and will judge people who "obeyed" The law without knowing the law.)

GALATIANS 2:16 Knowing that a man is NOT justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of JESUS CHRIST,even we have believe in JESUS CHRIST, that we Might be justified by the faith of CHRIST,And NOT by works of the law, FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.
---RICHARD on 10/11/10


Donna66: "the Bible tells us that Christ will not return until the Gospel has covered the world. But what about those of past generations who lived their entire life in lands unreached by the gospel?
They are without excuse."

They will be judged from the Book of Life according to their works at the second resurrection at the end of the thousand years. For God is a merciful god and will judge people who "obeyed" the law without knowing the law.
---Steveng on 10/9/10


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Yes, the Bible tells us that Christ will not return until the Gospel has covered the world. But what about those of past generations who lived their entire life in lands unreached by the gospel?
They are without excuse.
The book of Romans tells us (1:20)For since the creation... His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen.. But (Rom 1:23) they exchanged the glory...of God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
(false gods)
Yet they were not hopeless. Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the LAW says, it speaks to those who are under the LAW, so that... all the world may become accountable to God.
---Donna66 on 10/8/10


It will not matter where people live. Jesus Christ will not return until the gospel has reached all the corners of the world. There will be no excuses for one not to be saved or accept Jesus Christ. Everyone will have the opportunity to be saved. It will be their choice however, whether or not, to accept Him. Satan or Jesus Christ. That is the choice.
---Robyn on 10/8/10


Cluny, even though I do not much agree with some of your denominational doctrines, lately I have read alot of what you have answered and you are right on. I as others have noticed that you have given great answers where I would have answered the same as you. We can discuss some things you and I but certain topics we cannot. History of the RCC is not one of them.
---MarkV. on 10/8/10


\\Richard, great words from Scripture, so very true. keep it up brother
---MarkV. on 10/7/10\\

I gave words from Scripture, too.
---Cluny on 10/7/10


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Richard, great words from Scripture, so very true. keep it up brother
---MarkV. on 10/7/10


\\But GOD in in control, not US, and nothing is going to interrupt GODS plan.


---RICHARD on 10/5/10\\

My point exactly!

Even "not hearing" (by your standards) won't stop God's providence and mercy.
---Cluny on 10/7/10


CLUNY 9/24/10

REVELATION 17,8 ------- whose names were NOT WRITTEN in the book of life FROM THE FOUNDATION of the world ---------

EPHESIANS 1:9 Having PREDESTINATED us unto the adoption of children BY JESUS CHRIST to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

CLUNY - All of this has been work out already. Yes the big commission is to get the word out ( Faith cometh by hearing and hearing of the word of GOD - ROMANS 10:17 ) BUT not everyone is going to hear it,But GOD in in control, not US, and nothing is going to interrupt GODS plan.


---RICHARD on 10/5/10


There will be a new heaven and a new earth.

Now, there will be two resurrections:

At the first resurrection, the second coming of Jesus, at the last trumpet sound, those who are dead in Christ shall rise first and the living shall be caught up with the dead.

At the second resurrection, at the end of the thousand years, all the other dead from the beginning, shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their works. Many of these didn't know God, but knew right from wrong in their hearts even though they knew not of the law.

God is full of mercy and judges righteously.

Blessed are they who rise at the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 10/5/10


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Eloy, here you go again, "The wicked by nature who never heard the gospel will go to hell: "the righteous by nature who never heard the gospel will go to heaven."
There is no one righteous by nature. Roman
"As it is written:
There is none righeous, no not one"
Romans 3:10.
"Enter not into judgment with they servant, for no man living is righteous before thee" Ps.143:2/
"Surely there is not a righeous man on earth who does good and never sins" Eccl. 7:20.
Only those who believe in Christ works and resurrection by faith are imputed the righteousness of Christ.
---MarkV. on 10/5/10


Romans 2:11For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,
Romans 2:13(For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

some will be lost, some will be saved
---francis on 10/3/10


\\the righteous by nature who never heard the gospel will go to heaven.\\

How is anyone "righteous by nature," Eloy?

The Bible says, "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."
---Cluny on 9/30/10


The wicked by nature who never heard the gospel will go to hell: the righteous by nature who never heard the gospel will go to heaven.
---Eloy on 9/29/10


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Mima-- Good answer. Consider these verses too:

Jam 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

It's a difficult question. But we can surely say with Abraham (Gen 18:25)...and Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
---Donna66 on 9/28/10


When considering the answer to this question perhaps one should look at Revelation 14:6-7 " 6-And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7-Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him, for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."
If you worship him that made heaven and earth and the seas and the fountains of waters who would you be worshiping? That is the answer.
---mima on 9/27/10


\\People over the century's who haven't hear the word of God were not meant to be save.
---RICHARD on 9/19/10\\

BTW, this was the SAME excuse used by some people (including some Baptists groups) to not have missionaries and thus make Christ's command to "teach all nations" of none effect.

It's only because most people didn't believe this foolishness that YOU have heard of Christ, RICHARD.
---Cluny on 9/24/10


\\People over the century's who haven't hear the word of God were not meant to be save.\\

How does this square with the verse that says, "It is not the will of God that ANY should perish, but that ALL come to the knowledge of the truth."

BTW--this attitude towards "lesser breeds without the law" is the supposed Biblical basis of white supremacy.

And it's DESPICABLE.
---Cluny on 9/20/10


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ROMANS 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of GOD.
People over the century's who haven't hear the word of God were not meant to be save.
---RICHARD on 9/19/10


I believe that they will be judge by the condition of there Heart. The Word of God is constantly going forth as we speak through age of technology so that places around the World can receive the Gospel. It's a blessing that so many people are praying and encouraging others in the Word of God. It's important to keep lifting up everyone in prayer who haven't receive the Word of God yet or who haven't heard the Word of God yet. Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called. 1 Timothy 6:12
---Kimbe7395 on 9/18/10


It is important for us not to judge those who are outside the "Church".

My faith rests in the pure love and grace of The Almighty and His Beloved Son, Our Lord. If you trust anything, trust that They cannot make a mistake and their judgment will be just.
---Higgins on 9/18/10


No ifs ands or butts, all people who dies without Jesus and His Blood will go to hell, my friend. Until you are saved you have heart troubles. Only God can change the heart. If only we could see the heart of man the way God sees the heart of man, we would all be running fast away from each other. Man never knows what they are capable of, so stop pointing fingers at others.
---catherine on 9/18/10


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Romans 1 teaches us that God has placed within each of us the knowledge of Himself

Rom 1:18-19 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them, for God made it evident to them"

If these "jungle people" worship the creator of all things, such as the "Great Spirit" of the Native Americans, and follow the Laws of God written on their conscience, they are in fact worshipping the true God as they know Him.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/18/10


I believe that GOD looks upon those -- who have NEVER heard the Gospel -- in the same way that HE looks upon youngsters and the unborn. GOD will have MERCY upon those people who have not reach the "age of accountability. Only GOD knows when that occurs.

For those of us who HAVE heard the Gospel, I believe that the Bible says we are 100% accountable for our OWN behavior, thoughts, sins, etc. We will enter Heaven once we die.

However, I do wonder about all the people who: HAVE heard the Gospel, attend church, are held in high esteem by the leaders, give generously, etc. yet continue in SIN.

These folks are the ones that we should be praying for. That they will see the LIGHT and stop living double-minded lives.
---Sag on 9/18/10


Cluny said: "Should Christ say to him, "Come over and give Me a big kiss!" will you be offended?"

Not me! If God gives me His mercy and grace, why am I to complain if He also gives it to the worst scoundrel? It is like the parable of the workers, where some labored all day, and some worked only one hour, and yet each got the same pay.

If God chooses to show mercy upon some Buddhist, or even Moslem, who has loved his neighbors more than he loved himself, and has prayed without ceasing, showing true love to God, I am not going to stop Him from being merciful. Rather, I will glory in God's love, that He took sheep from another fold as in John 10:16
---ZedEx on 9/17/10


The Bible says that ALL people will hear the Gospel message once before Christ comes again to this Earth. So there will be NO jungle people or isolated groups that will not hear the Gospel - they will ALL hear it, and have a chance to accept or deny it. In that case, EVERYONE will hear the message, and if anyone goes to Hell, it will be because they choose to go there by denying the Gospel message.
---Leslie on 9/17/10


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Pray for these people.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/17/10


The Lord told Moses, "I will show mercy upon whom I will show mercy."

"Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Follows my understanding:

For someone as you described, if there is the LEAST desire to love and serve God, it will be GLORY for him to bow down before Christ, and say, "So it was YOU all along!"

Should Christ say to him, "Come over and give Me a big kiss!" will you be offended?

How you answer may show the state of your own heart.
---Cluny on 9/17/10

Great Answer! I Agree 100%.
---Augie on 9/17/10


"What is the fate of jungle people or other isolated groups who have never heard of the gospel of Jesus Christ?"
They will be taught the "salvation of God", "the gospel of Christ", during the millennial reign of Jesus. That will be the purpose of the overcomers priesthood during that time. Rev.5:10>Rev.20:6
As it is written "All thy children [shall be] taught of the LORD, and great [shall be] the peace of thy children. Many people shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob, He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem". Isa.2:3>54:13
---Josef on 9/17/10


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