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Why did God let sin into the world?

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Mark, you may feel for my soul but I feel for the countless souls of those who come looking for Jesus and find limited atonement and turn away. You may not like what I say, but you have over and over turned away the very words of Jesus with human reasoning. Long, lengthy explanations only confuse instead of clarify. When I put Scripture up, you explain it away in such as fashion that not even the simplicity of the gospel can shine through. It is clouded by intellect.
---Linda on 10/22/10


MarkV,

Angry because Miche was more knowledgable of scripture than you were? Too proud to admit that you were wrong? Those arent fruit of the Spirit either. Should we now judge you as unsaved?

Someone just supplied scripture using the words "free will" and you totally ignored it because you werent able to twist the context or wording. Instead you reduced yourself (once again) to judging another sister in Christ because she nailed your response before you even gave it. She wasnt the only one expecting it. She was just the first to stick her neck out on your chopping block.

Im gonna sneak it in here too.

MarkV, is the world a giant puppet show? GOd controlling some while giving control of the rest to satan
---JackB on 10/22/10


//This sounds like the typical cry of envy: "I'm just as good as you."//

The Bible addresses the matter (1 Cor 13)and because I speak about it you think Im envious? I hope Im just misunderstanding you here.

This is the type of response expected from someone who believes that their self-worth is based on intelligence and knowledge rather than love. I hope youre not one of those people.

1 Cor 1:27,28
---JackB on 10/22/10


God has given to EVERY man the measure of faith.
Jesus is the light that enlightens EVERY man who comes into the world.
The gospel, when it is preached, contains all that is needed to bring the measure of faith to saving faith. It reveals the righteousness of God from faith to faith. Man only must receive it by that faith. To say otherwise goes against the nature of God and the power of the Holy Spirit found in the gospel. Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which is outright rejection of Christ by attributing His work to the devil, would never be an issue otherwise.
---LindaS on 10/22/10


Kev ... So spelled "sovereign" wrongly!

Have you notice how many words don't follow the rule "i before e except after c"

There must be a sermon in that somewhere!
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/22/10




I'm not a pastor.

Correction: sovereign.

At the last sentence my spelling is almost that of a three year old child and I don't have a phD degree after all.
---Kev on 10/22/10


Linda, I feel for your soul only because you have nothing to contribute about God only your emotions every time you speak and yet represent youself as a women of God who walks in the Spirit who has alot of gifts, only to later show the evidence of your fruit. I'm sorry you take our discussions as meaningless, and sorry that you believe in "Free will" getting you into God's kingdom. Because it is the wrong gospel, the reason the gate is wide leading to distruction.
---MarkV. on 10/22/10


\\A college degree has the amazing effect of making people arrogant and spiritually numb.\\

This sounds like the typical cry of envy: "I'm just as good as you."
---Cluny on 10/22/10


A college degree has the amazing effect of making people arrogant and spiritually numb.

You can see it in most churches. The secretaries and counselors in the church are more filled with the love of God than the pastors.
---JackB on 10/21/10


The Geneva Bible,

Ezra 7:13-17, I haue giuen commandement, that euerie one, that is willing in my kingdome of the people of Israel, and of the Priests, and Leuites to go to Ierusalem with thee, shal go.

Therefore art thou sent of the King and his seuen counselers, to enquire in Iudah and Ierusalem, according to the Law of thy God, which is in thine hand,
And to carie the siluer and the golde, which the King and his counselers willingly offer vnto the God of Israel (whose habitacion is in Ierusalem)
And all the siluer and golde that thou canst finde in all the prouince of Babel, with the fre offring of the people, and that which the Priests offre willingly to the house of their God which is in Ierusalem,
---Kev on 10/21/10




Bible verse 17 continued, That thou maiest bye spedely with this siluer, bullockes, rams, lambes, with their meat offrings and their drinke offrings: & thou shalt offer them vpon the altar of the house of your God, which is in Ierusalem.

In the very same chapter of Ezra 13...

verse 27, Blessed be the Lord God of our fathers, which so hathe put in the Kings heart, to beautifie the house of the Lord that is in Ierusalem.


God is soveriegn.
---Kev on 10/21/10


Get ready to read another long tiresome explanation of why the word "freewill" in Ezekiel doesn't really mean "freewill" or why it doesn't apply to this discussion. I have discovered that the longer it takes to convince another of your doctrine, the more likely it is that it is full of human reasoning and the Spirit of God is not in it. God has made the gospel so simple a three year old can believe it, not so complex it takes pages of explanation and a PhD to understand.
---Linda on 10/21/10


thank you Miche

Ezr 7:13-16 it does say FREEWILL

Matt 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

the idea that a god controls and pre-programs everyone is absurd if the water of life is given freely - the CONTRADICTION is GLARING
---Rhonda on 10/21/10


Haha! You go Miche!

Youre about to be on the slamlist now though
---JackB on 10/21/10


//It is my sincere honest convictions that free will teachers teach people that they can change their hearts themselves by the means of the Sinner's prayer at the end of a sermon.//---Kev

That is NOT how "Armenians" believe.
Its not that hard to comprehend. Its almost like you dont WANT to understand.

The conscious decision to turn from sin lies with the man. It is done so because of the conviction of the Holy Spirit. We know we need a change.

The POWER for us to change lies with God. We must call upon HIM to give us that power to deny sin and to live holy lives pleasing to him.
---JackB on 10/21/10


Sorry! I said:
//After one or two things, yes!
I believe it was him, but come-on!//
I meant!
I could maybe be made to believe it was him!

But after ten plagues!
(And then in here somewhere write:
Do nothing and behold the power of the LORD!)
And then to top it all off, being stopped by (Fire and water!)

And then you want be to believe, what?
Pharaoh had anything to do with this! Really!
Who made him Pharaoh?

Am I, just making this up?
Or do you not see?

No, my brothers, (if I may) this was done for YOU and for more to come!
And yes! You can believe whatever you want.
After all, it is all up to you!

God Bless!
---TheSeg on 10/21/10


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Christan ... Since God caused us to be created, and created as we are, sinful, it is of course quite right that He should punish us for behaving as He decrees, and quite right that He should give us no opportunity of repenting.

Your version of God creates evil people, deliberately keeps them evil and punishes them for being like that.

And yet God is just?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/21/10


Ezr 7:13-16 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and [of] his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee. Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellors, to enquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which [is] in thine hand, And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellors have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation [is] in Jerusalem, And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which [is] in Jerusalem:
Jos 24:15
---micha9344 on 10/21/10


Peter your comments today remind me of the Hornet Song.

One of the verses:
When the Canaanites hardened their hearts against God
And grieved Him because of their sin,
God sent along hornets to bring them to time,
And help His own people to win.
The hornets persuaded them that it was best,
To go quickly, and not to go slow,
God did not compel them to go 'gainst their will,
But He just made them willing to go.
---Bruce5656 on 10/21/10


Peter, you said - "To Say Pharaoh had no free will is ludicrous."

Honestly Peter, mankind has no free will whatsoever if you read the Scriptures. Pharaoh according to Scripture was created for one very important purpose that God will be glorified. And this is what Scripture says in Romans 9:17,

"For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth."

Pharaoh was created as "the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." (romans 9:22)

Free will? What free will? Are you a vessel of honor or dishonor? Do you now have the fear of God in you?
---christan on 10/21/10


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I remember taking a swimmer test. I knew I wasnt going to make it.
I said, Ill just go down and push off the bottom of the pool to the side.
When I push to go up! There the lifeguard, coming down. BOOM!
True story!

Yes, is this wrong?
Exo 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which (I have put in thine hand:)

(But I) (will harden his heart,) that he shall not let the people go.
You guy remind me of Adam and Eve.

After one or two things, yes!
I believe it was him, but come-on!
At some point, you stop!
Not Pharaoh just hardheaded, RIGHT?
---TheSeg on 10/21/10


It is my sincere honest convictions that free will teachers teach people that they can change their hearts themselves by the means of the Sinner's prayer at the end of a sermon. Can you respect that?

Much appreciated.

---Kev on 10/21/10


//The free will teachers believe that they can change their hearts themselves.//

Nonsense. You and Mark BOTH do this. There is not a single Christian person in these blogs that have said this. Bearing false witness is still a sin is it not?

I cant swim. If I fell into a pool of water and began to drown and someone stuck their hand IN the water to pull me out, would I be saving myself by grabbing the hand?

It was still the person outside of the pool who saved me from death and they get all the glory for it.
---JackB on 10/21/10


Very nicely explained Peter.

I hope they read that all the way through.



And I am sure that the king of Egypt will not let you go, no, not by a mighty hand.

And I will stretch out my hand, and smite Egypt with all my wonders which I will do in the midst thereof: and after that he will let you go.
---JackB on 10/21/10


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To Say Pharaoh had no free will is ludicrous. What Paul is showing in the example of Romans 9 is how God deals with his own people...God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" indirectly. It wasn't an active working against a singular person.

In revealing his power to Pharaoh a man tainted with the black arts God knew what the outcome would be...that because Pharaoh was predispositioned to save face as a God on earth as his people touted him.

Observe Exodus 4:21, God said he would harden his heart by wonders. Immediately in Exodus 5 you have Moses before Pharaoh demanding, and no wonders shown, yet Pharaoh denies the petition. he was pridefully predisposed. The words "free will" don't have to be there to see it's there.
---peter on 10/21/10


GOD allows sin to try the peoples of the World. Not to tempt them into sin, GOD does not tempt anyone to do evil. But, HE tries and proves people to see if they love HIM or not. All for the sake of HIS Glorification.
---Gordon on 10/21/10


The gospel Truth is that God is God and there is no other. That man of himself, is not able to change his own heart, that only God can change it. That no one can come to Christ without that heart changed first.
---MarkV on 10/20/10

Outstanding post!

The free will teachers believe that they can change their hearts themselves. They also believe that they can change other people's hearts. Where, then, does God receive the credit of changing people's hearts? Truth it is, the Pharaoh had no free will. Neither Apostle Peter who affirmed strongly beforehand that he would ''never'' deny Christ.

Apostle Peter was wrong three times after! Only God preserved him and nothing else.
---Kev on 10/20/10


Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? (Yea, MarkV maybe he doesn't)

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,
endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
(To show who?)

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which [he had afore prepared unto glory,] (does this say "he had")

Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
(Who called!)

As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people, and her beloved, which was not beloved.
---TheSeg on 10/21/10


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Gordon, as long as you conduct yourself in a godly manner I'll answer you. If you cannot, I will answer you no more. Please, reframe from throwing satan at me as your defense, as you did before. He deserves no place in our discussions. I'll treat you with respect as a brother in Christ.

First, I am still waiting for someone to show me "free will." Where God said, "I give man free will to choose Me or not." Since you and others speak so proudly of "free will" and how everyone has it, you should have no trouble finding the passages. The "will" of the lost is not "free" it's in bondage to sin. People lost are in trespasses and sins. Slaves to sin.
---MarkV. on 10/21/10


The order:
Preacher Sent
Gospel (death, burial, and resurrection) preached
People hear
People believe
People call

God has given to every man the measure of faith to believe what he hears, whether it is the messenger of God or the messenger of satan.
---Linda on 10/20/10


MarkV, GOD made man with free-will. Just as HE did with the angels. That's why Satan exists as he does today, Evil, kicked out of (the Third) Heaven and bound for the Lake of Fire. For that formerly holy archangel CHOSE to rebel against GOD. GOD did not pre-destine Satan to rebel. Neither does GOD pre-destine anyone to go to Hell. People CHOOSE for themselves. This does not mean that GOD is "weak". It means HE is Holy, Righteous and Just. If someone wants to receive the Offer GOD makes for Salvation, GOD is ALMIGHTY to save. But, if one does not want to receive salvation, GOD is a "Gentleman", HE does not force it on someone if they don't want it, no matter how Good and Vital it is.
---Gordon on 10/20/10


Mark, is the world a giant puppet show. God controlling some while satan controls the rest?
---JackB on 10/20/10


Are you ignoring me?
---JackB on 10/20/10


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The gospel Truth is that God is God and there is no other. That man of himself, is not able to change his own heart, that only God can change it. That no one can come to Christ without that heart changed first. As long as he has the heart of stone, he will never believe, see, hear, are perceive the Word of God unless God the Holy Spirit reveals it to him. And when He does, every single person that is brought to life will come to hear the gospel, will receive faith and a conviction from the Holy Spirit of his sin towards God and will repent of his sins, and will place his faith and Trust in Jesus Christ for his life. And he will never lose that salvation for it is a guarantee that Christ will sustain us till the day of the Lord.
---MarkV. on 10/20/10


If the teachings of the Bible cannot alter the fate or destiny of men based on how they heed the warnings therein, then the word of God is void of purpose. We are no better off after reading the Bible than we were before we read it.

If theres no free will then the world is a giant puppet show and God has given some puppets to satan and kept some for himself.
*****

AMEN JackB !!!!!!!
---Rhonda on 10/20/10


And of course the gospel was completely left out of that explanation. The Holy Spirit, like a hand in a glove, uses the gospel to convict man of his unbelief. At that point, there is a choice to accept that gospel and be born again or reject it and thus blaspheme the Holy Spirit of God.
---Linda on 10/20/10


To whom it may concern, if you have ears to hear, hear the Word of God:
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His Hand" Dan. 4:35
"But He is in one mind, and who can turn Him? and what His soul desireth, even that He doeth" Job 23:13.
"The preparations of the heart belong to man, But the answer of the tongue is from the Lord" For "The Lord has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom" Prov. 16:1 and 4.
---MarkV. on 10/20/10


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Mark, is the world a giant puppet show. God controlling some while satan controls the rest?
---JackB on 10/20/10


//Why did God let sin into the world?//
--Lynne

I believe its a test of pride. God allows us to fall into sin because he had already made a plan to deliver us. Anyone can see from reading the Bible that God hates pride. He loves a humble heart.

God told Lucifer of his iniquity and Lucifers response was rooted in pride. Instead of allowing God to cleanse him and restore him, he tried to establish his own kingdom. That is why he was cast out of heaven.

We're now in the same situation. Created in God's image (perfect) until the day iniquity was found in us. Will we allow God to heal us thru Jesus Christ or will we try to establish our own kingdom of sin and suffer the same fate as Lucifer?
---JackB on 10/20/10


With God, is there such a thing as "let, allow"? Paul declares in Romans 11:32 - "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all."

That is, for God to demonstrate His mercy to His people, He must first will mankind to unbelief. Adam did not belief in God's command, hence he disobeyed God which lead to the dramatic fall of mankind.

However it was not man that God was going to glorify but His Son Jesus Christ (1 Peter 1:19,20 - "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."

This has been predestined for His glory.
---christan on 10/20/10


Rhonda 2: you have to think about this before you say man has free will. Because if a choice just happens-it pops out, with no rhyme or reason for it-then it cannot be judged good or bad. When God evaluates our choices, He is concerned with our motives. If we had free will, He could not judge us right or wrong. There was a reason why Joseph's brothers sold him to slavery. They had an evil motivation. Their decision was neither spantaneous nor neutral. They were jealous of their brother. Their choice to sell him was prompted by their evil desires. Another problem with free will is not so much as moral as it is rational. If there is no prior inclination, desire, or bent, no motivation or reason for a choice, how can a choice even be made?
---MarkV. on 10/20/10


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Rhonda, we have freedom to choose, but our wills are not free. we will choose what our will desires. The will of the lost is in bondage to sin and loves to do the desires of their father the devil. If it was free, they would not know what to choose. That's why the Bible does not say God gives "Free will" to people. For the will to be free it must act from a posture of neutrality, with absolutely no bias. Meaning there is no elements of coercion, either internal or external, to be found in it. But if we make our choices strictly from a neutral posture, with no bias or coercion, then we make choices for no reason. If we have no reason for our choices, if our choices are utterly spontaneous, then our choices have no moral significance.
---MarkV. on 10/20/10


"Adam & Eve had to CHOOSE between:
(1) Obey GOD's command to NOT touch, or eat, the forbidden fruit.
(2) Satisfy their OWN flesh and desires. Touch and Eat the forbidden fruit."

augie, obviously you have the same "mis-understanding" that Eve had. If you will go back and read the instructions God gave, you will find that God ONLY said, "Of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil thou shalt not eat..." He didn't say that they couldn't touch the tree or the fruit, though it would have been wiser if they hadn't done either.
---tommy7376 on 10/20/10


Dont waste your time Rhonda.

Scripture doesnt affect those who dont want to hear it.
---JackB on 10/19/10


If the teachings of the Bible cannot alter the fate or destiny of men based on how they heed the warnings therein, then the word of God is void of purpose. We are no better off after reading the Bible than we were before we read it.

If theres no free will then the world is a giant puppet show and God has given some puppets to satan and kept some for himself. The Bible is simply reduced to a script of the events that are about to unfold in the show.

Its a cryin shame when some men with college degrees become so wrapped up in their lust for knowledge that they lose every bit of common sense that God created them with.
---JackB on 10/19/10


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Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Did God let them choose?..Yes
Did God know what their choice was going to be?...Yes
Gen 3:2-3 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Did God let them choose?..Yes
Did God know what their choice was going to be?...Yes
Free Will, Predestination, Sovreignty, Omniscience...
Labels do not change the facts.
---micha9344 on 10/19/10


Rhonda, If God gave free will to all, it would be in Scripture. How many verses have you found where He Himself states He gave free will to people? Can you direct me to them? You believe in it so much, it must be there some place. All I heard was that the will of the lost is a slave to sin, and the believers will is a slave to Christ, I never heard it was free. So it would be very easy for you to show which Scriptures say what you said. I wait for your verses.
---MarkV. on 10/19/10


If He is not in control of all things, why do you call Him God?
******
only deceived IMPLY a "god" must have puppet strings to control
a god creating mankind as his playthings playing out a predetermined role for each one is very sick and unsupported by Holy Scripture

Biblical Father in Heaven from Holy Scripture did not allow sin into world GIVING free will to His creation ...to choose to obey Him when called John 6:44,65 to His Truth John 16:13 1Cor 1:24,26

The Father in Heaven would have LIED stating He didn't know His creation would commit these atrocities Jer 7:31, 32:5, 19:5 ... it would be impossible for people to take actions that God didn't control and was unaware of WITHOUT free will
---Rhonda on 10/19/10


Rhonda, I say it is a wrong god you have quote about. If He is not in control of all things, why do you call Him God? The god you speak of is in control of nothing. Man does have freedom to do many things, but his will is in inslaved to sin. How do you explain him getting out of bondage unless God gets him out? You said:
"He controls and all are acting out a chosen part a Divine Creator dictated - a very demented very sick "god" if this were truth"
Did He not say that it is written already? Doesn't His word say what the ending is? How it will end, and that He knows all that are His? Can man's free will change what He already knows? Are the acts of God dependent up man? You called Him a very sick God.
---Mark_V. on 10/17/10


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And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:


Joh 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart, that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

Who is this "he" Esaias speak about?
Eigther he does or he doesn't have all the power!
You decied? (YouThink!)
---TheSeg on 10/16/10


Rhonda, so you are suggesting that God did not permit sin to enter the world, so how did it enter without Him permitting it or allowing it to happen?
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free moral agency - NOTHING in Holy Scripture IMPLIES a humans life is scripted - all humans have ability to choose when called to truth either living by Gods laws or living by sin

Satan and all eternal beings and humans have free moral agency - ability to make decisions otherwise all of thinking creation are just Gods playthings - His puppets He controls and all are acting out a chosen part a Divine Creator dictated - a very demented very sick "god" if this were truth

God did not permit sin - Satan chose to REBEL ...Satan WANTED The Father in Heavens Throne
---Rhonda on 10/16/10


The Seg, I wish that I could just put down Scripture and not direct it at anyone and let the Scripture speak for itself. It seems I have another purpose. I also like the way Shawn T puts down his answers. He does such a good job with so little words. And Josef, he does such a good job too. Some others here on line do such a good job also that I never get a chance to say so. Thank you brother
---MarkV. on 10/15/10


Tough question isnt it.

Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

But, if you ask, why!
You would get a better answer.
And not from me!

Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Peace!
---TheSeg on 10/15/10


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Rhonda, so you are suggesting that God did not permit sin to enter the world, so how did it enter without Him permitting it or allowing it to happen? He is God after all, He could have stopped it since He is an Omnipotent God. Or are you suggesting that sin enter without His knowledge? Are things really happening without Him knowing they are happening? In fact, these questions really are very important since many form this kind of things of God. Here we have a God who is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient who cannot stop sin from happening. How could we hope that He will stop it someday? And even suggest the devil is defeating God day in and out. An Omnipotent God, Creator of all things been defeat by His creation. Can you explain?
---MarkV. on 10/15/10


AMEN Ronald!
---Linda on 10/15/10


GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF SIN! God does deal with the reality of sin. This is why He sent His only Son, to redeemed His people, The crucifixion happened according to God's will, yet, it was the worse crime of human history. THE CORRUPTION OF SIN: is not developed or expresses to the same degree in every person neither is it expressed in the same way in any person at all times. In other words, Satan cannot use all of us as murderers, or bank-robbers. Do not point fingers at others, because, you my friends, have broken God's laws, again, again, again. You ought to be crying, weeping, and wailing, before the Lord thy God over your own sins. Mankind felled into sin at the temptation of Satan. Animals are not morally responsible, so they cannot sin.
---catherine on 10/15/10


Jesus Christ is the focus of Christian healing ministries that are freeing people from the pain associated with unhealthy lifestyles. There is no limit on the healing power of Jesus Christ.
---Ronald_Hansen on 10/15/10


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GOD IS IN NO WAY RESPONSIBLE FOR SIN....Mankind was created without sin. The Bible does not teach that sin had its origin from Satan. Sin is>>>rebelliousness against God's law. How does it feel to be a criminal? Come on Jesus! We, the people, are to be blamed, because, sin origin is to be found in humanity's nature. That's it....Adam and Eve introduced sin into human history by their rebellious action....So, on judgment day it will do you no good to blame the devil or Adam and Eve, or anyone or anything. You will be held accountable....."The righteous is taken away from the evil to come" [Isaiah 57:1].
---catherine on 10/14/10


I believe that I forgot to add, that, when Jesus Christ saves you, then you are no longer a criminal. You have been exonerated, and on judgment day will be pronounced not guilty, if you have received the new birth. Raised from the dead, through His mighty and powerful Blood. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 10/14/10


The same thing I heard from two Jehovah Witnesses who came to my house yesterday
***

I cannot vow to what a Jehovah's witness believes or disbelives I do not subscribe to this mainstream christianity belief

I never claimed scripture contradicted itself

you should reread my post - I stated for the LIE presented THEN scripture WOULD contradict not the other way around as YOU suggest

God never "let" sin into the world it was cast down with Satan
---Rhonda on 10/14/10


Rhonda, I really don't know where you have found that Romans 4:15 contradicts Romans 5, or say that the Church contradicts both area's of Scripture. When you make that claim at least say where, for Scripture does not contradict. v. 13 speaks of the heir of the world which is Jesus Christ, and Romans 5 begins by speaking of those who are justified by Jesus Christ.
And you said humans are neither good or evil. Now that really is not what Scripture declares. You are suggesting they are not separated from God. The same thing I heard from two Jehovah Witnesses who came to my house yesterday. Sorry people are born separated from God, for anything without faith is sin.
---MarkV. on 10/14/10


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sin originates from Satan

Satan was cast down to earth

humans are neither good or evil at birth

Satan the father of lies influences 2Corin 4:4 carnal mind to be hostile to Gods Holy Pefect Laws Rom 8:7

original sin catholic teaching found nowhere in Holy Scripture which essentially teaches LIE that sin is mans fault due to diliberately twisting Romans 5 easily understood when they dismiss Rom 4:15 creating their own contradiction

Adam choose knowledge not life ...today counterfeit christianity continues to choose knowledge of mans reasoning not LIFE from truth in Gods Holy Word

when Satan is removed from earth during the 1000 year millennium mankind will not be influenced to sin and break Gods Laws
---Rhonda on 10/12/10


Wivv, man didn't allow sin into the world, they cause sin to enter the world. And God allowed it or permtted it. Since He is an Omnipotent God, He could have stopped it if He so wanted to stop it. He just waited for them to fall. He knew they would because He is Omniscience who knows all. Adam, was made the representative of mankind by God. Because of his sin all mankind was cursed. Who made the curse? God. He didn't have to, but did. When God made the covenant of works with Adam, "Obey and have life, disobey, and you get death," God gave them a choice, a choice He already knew they would fail. He did not make them sin, they sinned on their own choice.
---MarkV. on 10/5/10


God didn't allow sin into the world. While Eve did eat the forbidden fruit, Adam is also the blame since he is the head of the house. Mankind allowed sin into the world by yeilding to the temptation from Satan. That same problem still exist today. It's all part of mankind exhibiting free well.
---wivv on 10/4/10


He didn't, the woman did by disobedience. God said, Sin Not, but the woman disobeyed and sinned, and thereby condemnation came.
---Eloy on 9/29/10


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Lynne, as to the human race, sin entered the world through one man.
"Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned."
Did God permit it, or allowed it to enter? Yes. God didn't have to give Adam and Eve that requirement that He gave them. Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God. For we are told that Christ was "Foreknown indeed (as a sacrifice for sin) before the foundation of the world" (1 Peter 1:20). Paul speaks of "the eternal purpose" which was purposed in Jesus Christ our Lord" (Eph 3:11).
---MarkV. on 9/29/10


He didn't!! Mankind was created without sin, morally upright and inclined to do good [Ecc. 7:29]. But sin entered into human experience when Adam and Eve violated the direct command of God by eating the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. Because Adam was the head representative of the whole human race, his sin affected all future generations [Rom. 5:12-21]. Associated with this guilt is a corrupted nature passed from Adam. Out of this perverted nature arise all the sins that people commit [Matt. 15:19]. God is sinless so is Jesus Christ His son. Jesus had a divine nature because He came from the Father, and also, He was sinless in the flesh, because Adam and Eve was created without sin. Jesus is the second Adam. Thank You Jesus+
---catherine on 9/28/10


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Also, my Mom became disabled many yrs after marriage, and Dad never left her, he loves her so much & gave up a good paying job to take care of her better. I also gave up what I want to do to help take care of her. Most others have forsaken her.

True love. You decide what to do.
---micha5966 on 9/22/10


-- Lynne :

Sister, The wages of sin is death... and except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Those who loveth their life shall lose it, and those who hateth their life in this world unto death shall keep it unto Life Eternal by the Gift of God through Jesus Christ our Lord where we abide with our Lord as one & become Spiritually Fruitful in Heavenly Places.

... This is why sin is in the world, as the Foreknowledge of God has Foreseen before the foundation of Creation !!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 9/21/10


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Could God have stopped the rebellion?He certainly could but wht did he not stop it?
What human thoughts could there be to justify the rebellion to continue?
---earl on 9/21/10

I have often thought "long and hard" about this subject. Like, when mass murderers, like Osama Bin Laden, live on, but "innocent", newborn babies die at birth, because their mothers are drug addicts.

The "best" answer I have is this: GOD allows SIN to continue so that people might SEE THE NEED for Jesus Christ. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can completely cover, and put an END to SIN.

Some people LOVE their SIN so much, that they continue living in rebellion.
It's their OWN choice.
---Sag on 9/21/10


Could God have stopped the rebellion?He certainly could but wht did he not stop it?
What human thoughts could there be to justify the rebellion to continue?
---earl on 9/21/10


If you know God then you would know that he wouldn't allow sin to enter the world, it's man's fault. God would not set up his creation to destroy itself. He did not set up his creation to murder one another. He did not set up his creation to lie, steal, cheat, and covet one another. It was man's doing with a little help from Satan,of course.
---Steveng on 9/21/10


The answer is SIMPLE, but it took me some TIME to accept the answer.

GOD allows, or permits, SIN in the world. In order to allow us to make CHOICES. Just like Adam & Eve had to do. The same is true today.

Adam & Eve had to CHOOSE between:
(1) Obey GOD's command to NOT touch, or eat, the forbidden fruit.
(2) Satisfy their OWN flesh and desires. Touch and Eat the forbidden fruit.

The Bible says that when we choose to Obey GOD, and refrain from sin, we will be "blessed".

On the other side of the coin, when we choose SIN over GOD, we suffer the consequences. Just like Adam & Eve. They were kicked out of the Garden of Eden and SIN's effects spread to the entire world. As it is today.
---Augie on 9/21/10


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Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
---micha9344 on 9/21/10


Lynne, let's ask God.

Father God, why did you allow sin into this world?

What was that God? You didn't? Satan did?

Lynne, this is a question ONLY GOD can answer, but my answer would be that when satan told God he would be higher than him, etc., and God kicked him out of heaven, that was the beginning of rebellion towards God and rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.

Who, in their right mind would tell God they will be better than God? Surely not us! Right?
---Donna5535 on 9/21/10


Lynne,
This post reply to your question will probably become submerged in the heat of debates here but I have 2 questions before an answer.The first is if you are a seasoned bible student or just starting out and the second is what do you specifically mean when you say the word "let"?
---earl on 9/21/10


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