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Is Harry Reid for the Don't Ask Don't Tell military rule since he voted no? Did Lady Gaga not have an impact on him?

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\\Cluny: Sometimes I think that Ignatius is one of your cats. He seems to speak for you quite a bit.
---jerry6593 on 11/22/10\\

That's because we are both Orthodox, and hence will speak nothing but the pure and unadulterated Word of God without the minglings of men's philosophies, traditions, or precepts that most Western Christians (be they Protestant or Roman Catholic) indulge in.
---Cluny on 12/9/10

Cluny,

As a Roman Catholic, what are the minglings of men's philosophies, traditions, or precepts that we indulge in...Thanks
---Ruben on 12/10/10


\\Cluny: Sometimes I think that Ignatius is one of your cats. He seems to speak for you quite a bit.
---jerry6593 on 11/22/10\\

That's because we are both Orthodox, and hence will speak nothing but the pure and unadulterated Word of God without the minglings of men's philosophies, traditions, or precepts that most Western Christians (be they Protestant or Roman Catholic) indulge in.
---Cluny on 12/9/10


Ignats: "unscriptura" Is that Latin?
---jerry6593 on 11/23/10


Jerry,

By the way, I do love dogs (have one myself). But cats, not so much. Had one when I was young, and she (Lucy) wasn't much fun. She was a lazy furball.......

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/22/10


Cluny: Sometimes I think that Ignatius is one of your cats. He seems to speak for you quite a bit.
---jerry6593

No, I am not one of his cat (don't like cats really). But genius minds think the same. But so do the insane and the uneducated (which perhaps explain why you and Ellen G. White share the same unscriptura doctrines).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/22/10




Cluny: Sometimes I think that Ignatius is one of your cats. He seems to speak for you quite a bit.
---jerry6593 on 11/22/10


\\I kinda like Kumquat.
---jerry6593 on 11/19/10\\

When I got her 13 years ago (day before Thanksgiving, in fact), she was a little orange kitten (hence the name) with a LOOONNNGGG tail she could arch over her back and tickle her nose with.

Thanksgiving she spent under the dresser.

Day after she woke me up playing slash and nibble with my toes.

Now she's a big silky haired grande dame.
---Cluny on 11/19/10


Thanks Alan, for giving the proper perspective. I kinda like Kumquat.
---jerry6593 on 11/19/10


Cluny ... I think you should change your nom de plume here!

Or you could call yourself Katz!
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/18/10


\\As for the cat, I think it was I who asked Cluny if his name actually was Cluny ... and he replied that it was the name of his cat.\\

And I have another one named Kumquat.
---Cluny on 11/18/10




jerry6593:

No, I am not Cluny's wing man. I just know him personally. We agree on many things, and disagree on many others.

He claims to live in "Middle Earth" was true. he doesn't live here was not.

I DO have a sense of humor. However, sarcastic hyperboles that put down others are usually mean-spirited at-hominem attacks. While it MAY occasionally be permissible to use such comments to people one is close to (who know they are spoken in jest), it is usually perilous to do so to anyone else.

An African American could safely walk into the Apollo Theatre and say "Hello ma n....." but if a Caucasian did so, he'd be lucky to escape without injury (or at least several lawsuits).
---StrongAxe on 11/18/10


Axey: Are you Cluny's wing man or something? You said:

"Since Cluny does, in fact, live in America, that would be a lie."

If you had read carefully you would see that I said:

"He claims to live in "Middle Earth"."

That was true.

Cluny and I were both just kidding. Don't you guys have a sense of humor?
---jerry6593 on 11/18/10


alan8566_of_UK:

I'm sure you didn't have the number 8566 at birth, and Jerry didn't have the number 6593 at birth either... :)
---StrongAxe on 11/18/10


I too remember Cluny telling us that he is in Arizona.

As for the cat, I think it was I who asked Cluny if his name actually was Cluny ... and he replied that it was the name of his cat.

That does not mean he is pretending to be something that he is not. He has chosen a non de plume, as have many on these blogs.

Jerry ... do you object that StrongAxe uses that name? ... or aka? Clearly those names were not given at birth.
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/17/10


jerry6593--
I actually asked Cluny once if he lived in the United States, because he often sounds like he lives in some other country. He didn't answer. (maybe didn't see my question).
But now, thanks to Strongaxe, I have been answered.
---Donna66 on 11/17/10


jerry6593:

You said: Donna: Don't expect our friend Cluny to understand freedom in America, he doesn't live here. He claims to live in "Middle Earth".

Since Cluny does, in fact, live in America, that would be a lie.

He explicitly stated so on 7/31/10 in the "Illegal Immigration in Arizona" blog, on which you yourself participated, so you would have seen it.
---StrongAxe on 11/17/10


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Cluny: I knew you were joking at the time, and I was just teasing you with your own words. But, I don't think you were joking when you said:

"Doesn't it bother you to tell lies about people--even those with whom you disagree?"

So, I would gladly accept an apology for your having erroneously called me a liar.
---jerry6593 on 11/17/10


jerry6593:

According to Norse mythology, there are nine worlds, some on earth, some above earth, some below earth. One of these worlds is Midgard or Middle Earth, which is the abode of men. As such, this describes the world that we are all familiar with. Tolkien just happened to use this same term to describe his world in Lord of the Rings. So, when someone says he is from "Middle Earth", he is technically correct, because we are all from Middle Earth.
---StrongAxe on 11/16/10


\\I can't seem to find the "right to privacy" in the Bill of Rights. Perhaps you can help me.
---jerry6593 on 11/16/10\\

The "right to privacy" is one of the so called "penumbras" in the Constitution that the SC found to make birth control medicine and devices legal, and then to make abortion legal.

Eloy: for your information Harry Reid is a senator from Utah and Lady Gaga is an entertainer.

Yes, now I do remember I jokingly said I was from Middle Earth. I'm surprised your were so naive as to take it literally.
---Cluny on 11/16/10


Cluny: Are you NOW denying that you once told me that you're from Middle Earth? I suppose that you'll now deny that you said Cluny is the name of your cat.

Axey: Awful isn't it the way the revisionist courts distort the Constitution to placate their sexual pervert friends? I can't seem to find the "right to privacy" in the Bill of Rights. Perhaps you can help me.
---jerry6593 on 11/16/10


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I'm old enough to remember the REAL America. It doesn't exist anymore. I miss it.
---jerry6593 on 11/12/10

Yeah, June Cleaver died....
---NurseRobert on 11/15/10


jerry6593:

In the Lawrence vs. Texas case, in 2003 the U.S. Supreme Court determined that anti-sodomy laws violate the right of privacy, so any such laws in any state are unconstitional, and cannot be enforced.
---StrongAxe on 11/15/10


Who is Harry Reid and Lady Gaga? It sounds like they're a couple.
---Eloy on 11/15/10


\\Donna: Don't expect our friend Cluny to understand freedom in America, he doesn't live here. He claims to live in "Middle Earth".\\

Doesn't it bother you to tell lies about people--even those with whom you disagree?
---Cluny on 11/15/10


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Donna: Don't expect our friend Cluny to understand freedom in America, he doesn't live here. He claims to live in "Middle Earth".

We, as a people, once understood that sexual perversion is a sin, just as God states in His Word. We still have anti-sodomy laws on the books of some states, but they're not enforced. Today, such perversion is not only tolerated, it's celebrated. I'm old enough to remember the REAL America. It doesn't exist anymore. I miss it.
---jerry6593 on 11/12/10


\\This country was founded on individual freedom and choices.\\

I don't think this statement is true

Cluny.. Really? You don't believe it?

(all men are).. endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.

We are necessarily a nation of laws for the protection of all. But there is great latitude within them, including the right to dissent.
---Donna66 on 11/11/10


\\This country was founded on individual freedom and choices.\\

I don't think this statement is true, but even if it were, since which are individual freedom and choices Christian principles?

Those who believe in killing babies before they are born do so in the name of choice and freedom.

So, I'm still waiting for you to come up with a Christian principle upon which the USA was founded.
---Cluny on 11/11/10


This statement was recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina.

"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews." - Benjamin Franklin

God bless America!
---aka on 11/8/10


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For those of you so enamored of the great Christian Thomas Jefferson and his so-called Bible, you might want to know what he said about the Gospels:

"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. "
---Cluny on 11/8/10


\\If all the people came over for religious freedom and revolted against the government were really rebelling against God according to Romans 13, weren't they?

This is a point I've made repeatedly:\\ -- Cluny

Yes, it is. When I first started posting, I thought it was a very good point that needed repeating.
---aka on 11/7/10


Well is doesn't really matter. What matters is that Defense Secretary Robert Gates (holdover from the Bush Administration) and the Joint Chiefs favor its repeal albeit on their own schedule.

In a secular society the policy, first implemented by Bill Clinton, was probably the wisest and realistic choice that could be made.

The county is slouching into Gomorrah unless Christians spend more time on their knees and less time watching Fox News.

If change doesn't happen its our fault. We have the resource.
---larry on 11/7/10


\\If all the people came over for religious freedom and revolted against the government were really rebelling against God according to Romans 13, weren't they?
---aka on 11/7/10\\

This is a point I've made repeatedly:

Conservative Bible believers at the time of the American Revolution were ROYALISTS.

The idea of having a SECULAR state with multiple religious confessions wasn't heard of until our founding.
---Cluny on 11/7/10


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Further thoughts on what I posted.

Jesus said, "If you continue in My word, you are My disciples indeed, and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Were Christ's disciples for the first three centuries free in the political or religious sense? And did He mean such temporal-based freedom?

Hardly. Otherwise, Christ was a liar.

Clearly, the freedom Christ offers is SPIRITUAL, and is not dependent on one's outside circumstances, which are always directed by God's providence.

So, wayne, would you like to try again?
---Cluny on 11/7/10


If all the people came over for religious freedom and revolted against the government were really rebelling against God according to Romans 13, weren't they?
---aka on 11/7/10


\\Cluny...I would say the most basic principle would be freedom. Thats why people migrated to this country, your ancestors and mine. The freedom to worship and to pursue inventions and be free from terrany\\

Freedom is not necessary a Christian principle.

Not all came to these shores for religious freedom, though this is part of the myth of our founding. Those that did come here for religious reasons wished to impose THEIR views on others--to do unto others as they'd been done unto, such as the Puritans in New England who brooked NO dissent from the established Calvinist Congregationalist church.

Most came here for economic reasons.
---Cluny on 11/7/10


Part 2:

I need to mention that the freedom the Son offers is NOT continent upon political, economic, or other external circumstances.

The "freedom" you claim the US was founded upon is something quite different as it IS based on externals.
---Cluny on 11/7/10


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//This country was founded on Christian principals, and to say it wasn't is an out right lie.//

i know there were men like Patrick Henry. But, in the various buildings in DC, there are scriptures that are etched into the walls. All of them are from the OT. If our country was based on Christ, why is Jesus not quoted one time on the walls in our government buildings?

Quote from Jesus: Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Now that our commander-in-chief says that we are no longer only a christian nation, it makes me question our roots. if Jesus words are true, it never would have come to a president that denies Christ by accepting anti-christian belief.
---aka on 11/5/10


Good answers Wayne! :) Right on!
---Mary on 11/2/10


Cluny...I would say the most basic principle would be freedom. Thats why people migrated to this country, your ancestors and mine. The freedom to worship and to pursue inventions and be free from terrany. There are quotes from the founding fathers that support Biblical principals. To paraphrase a verse, "Whom the Son sets free is free indeed". Socialisum and communisium looks at people as the collective mass. This country was founded on individual freedom and choices.
---wayne on 11/2/10


\\Cluny... All the principals you mentioned is what this country was founded on. It's not like we have to pick just one.\\

What you're saying, wayne, is that you cannot name ONE Christian principle you think the country was founded on.

You're just assuming that they exist.

Please tell me just HOW the US was founded on the belief in the Incarnation and Resurrection of Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 11/2/10


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Cluny... All the principals you mentioned is what this country was founded on. It's not like we have to pick just one. As for picking a church, to paraphrase what Jesus said, talking about St Peter, "upon this rock I will build my (Church) and the gates of hell will not prevail against it". It's not about a name over the door.
---wayne on 11/1/10


Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our
country said
'It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was
founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions
but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ'.
---wayne on 10/31/10


\\This country was founded on Christian principals, and to say it wasn't is an out right lie.
---wayne on 10/31/10\\

Christian principles are summarized in the classical Creeds--Nicene, Apostle's, and Athanasian.

Which of these principles provided the foundation of the country?

Belief in God the Creator?

Belief in Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, incarnate, crucified, risen, and ascended into heaven?

Belief in the Holy Spirit or one Church?

Please be specific about these Christian principles on which our country is founded, wayne.
---Cluny on 10/31/10


This country was founded on Christian principals, and to say it wasn't is an out right lie.
---wayne on 10/31/10


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This country was founded upon religion and not, necessarily Christianity. A very big difference. This is why you never hear anything relevant( Christian) from Rev Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other political preachers. They may carry the titles but I don't think they are necessarily practicing Christians. Jesse and Al are more politicians than preachers. Their interest lie in civil rights also. Very different from Christianity,again.
---Robyn on 10/31/10


One can always tell the christians from the non-christians when the subject comes up on what this country was founded on. The evidence is clear that this country was founded upon christian standards. Not to mandate it, but it was pefered.
---wayne on 10/27/10

My believe in God is not related to my believe on what this country was founded on. Furthermore, the evidence is far from clear.

To say other wise is an outright lie.

---NurseRobert on 10/27/10


One can always tell the christians from the non-christians when the subject comes up on what this country was founded on. The evidence is clear that this country was founded upon christian standards. Not to mandate it, but it was pefered.
---wayne on 10/27/10


Reid is generally very liberal except when running for election. He generally votes for abortion, for bigger government, for more taxes and for more welfare.

He generally opposes freedom, personal responsibility and morality.

Reid is a mormon and yet even the majority of mormons don't like him or agree with him.
---chris on 9/26/10


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\\If it was an Anglican Church (the official church of England) he may have objected for political reasons.\\

Not very likely. He sent a letter to the founding convention of the Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States of America (as it was originally called).

Washington himself was nominally an Anglican--later called Episcopalian-- and on the Vestry (aka parish council), even after the Revolution,

But as far as his actual beliefs, every Anglican clergyman who knew him personally said that Washington was a Deist, as were a good number of the Founding Fathers, including Franklin.
---Cluny on 9/26/10


The Masonic Lodge in G. Washington's day was not considered a "cult", as most prominent businessmen belonged. (I've read that it was it was somewhat different in those days) but almost half of all American presidents have been Masons. And the most respected leaders still belong today.

The best gauge of what a person believes should be their own words and memoirs. Likewise, the fact that he left the church when communion started may have meant that he didn't agree with Martha's church (not that he wasn't a Christian).If it was an Anglican Church (the official church of England) he may have objected for political reasons.
---Donna66 on 9/26/10


Has anyone mentioned that George Washington was a Mason, and the Masons are supposed to be considered a cult. There is a huge Masonic temple in Alexandria, VA named after Washington. Let's get real about the founding father for goodness sake.
---Trish on 9/26/10


\\Maybe you should try reading a few of his personal letters, and those of the rest of the founding fathers.
---Steveng on 9/25/10\\

Such as the one where Thomas Jefferson said that the Virgin Birth of Jesus was as absurd as the myth of the birth of Minerva from Zeus's head?

George Washington was such a devout Christian that he would leave the church when the Communion Service started, much to the distress of his wife Martha.

And so it goes.
---Cluny on 9/26/10


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Cluny: "George Washington himself did not allow either God or the Bible to influence either his behavior or his beliefs, as historians have shown.

StephenG, you disappoint me that you didn't know this."

Maybe you should try reading a few of his personal letters, and those of the rest of the founding fathers.
---Steveng on 9/25/10


Part 2:

\\Engraved above the head of the Speaker of the House of Representatives, just above the American flag, are the words IN GOD WE TRUST\\

Which god? YHVH? Elohim? Baal? Allah? Huitzilpochitili? Great Architect of the Universe? The Christian God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

\\George Washington warned that it is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.\\

George Washington himself did not allow either God or the Bible to influence either his behavior or his beliefs, as historians have shown.

StephenG, you disappoint me that you didn't know this.
---Cluny on 9/25/10


Part 1

\\Are you an American? Is the church of which you are clergy, located in the United States.. or elswhere?\\

Yes. Why?

StevenG, there is a myth popular among American Protestants that the USA was founded on Christianity, but this is simply not true.

For one thing, the Treaty of Tripoli, a public law of the USA, says in so many words that the government of the United States was not founded on the Christianity at all.

The Ten Commandments are Jewish, and not exclusively Christian. Furthermore, certain of them, such as those forbidding idolatry and adultery, are of no legal force at all.
---Cluny on 9/25/10


Cluny,
Are you an American? Is the church of which you are clergy, located in the United States.. or elswhere?
---Donna66 on 9/24/10


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Cluny: "Please name one Christian value upon which America was founded, christan."

Love, the love of our founding fathers to rely more on God than of man.

And I'll name ten more: the Ten Commandments which were engraved upon the walls our Capitol buildings, and countless other reminders of the US Republics history as a Christian nation. Engraved above the head of the Speaker of the House of Representatives, just above the American flag, are the words IN GOD WE TRUST

George Washington warned that it is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.

Cuny, you disappoint me that you didn't know this.
---Steveng on 9/24/10


\\Sad but it's true that America was founded on Christian values\\

Please name one Christian value upon which America was founded, christan.

And I notice that you OMITTED the end of Romans 2:1, which says, "YOU WHO JUDGE PRACTICE THE SAME THINGS."

Why?
---Cluny on 9/24/10


I think I have replied 2 times about this. So apparently it must have offended a moderator - moderators & or staff member or members. There's No apology.
---Lawrence on 9/23/10

The same thing happened to me. Reply, but no posting. Still, there is NO apology for the un-Biblical behavior being debated.

It seems to me that churches, ministries, schools, hospitals, and other non-profit organizations, are very, very concerned about being Politically Correct (PC). Otherwise, they could face legal actions and/or loss of their non-profit status.

However, the Bible is above-and-beyond being PC.
---Sag on 9/24/10


Sad but it's true that America was founded on Christian values and how the fear of God has departed from us. But prophesies from God must come to past.

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Romans 1:26-27

"Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Romans 1:32
---christan on 9/23/10


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I think I have replied 2 times about this. So apparently it must have offended a moderator - moderators & or staff member or members. There's No apology.
---Lawrence on 9/23/10


Janet: "The moral state of our country is important unless Christians propose we ignore what's going on around us?"

Christians are to be only aware of what is happening around us. Cultural christians who trying to change the world is like trying to change end time prophesies - they can't. End time prophesies are coming whether you like it or not.

Our jobs as christians is to edify other christians and to populate the Kingdom of God.

Living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational churches. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," "encourag," and "comfort."
---Steveng on 9/22/10


Is it worth pointing out that the first sexual scandal in the US military after implementing DADT was the egregious HETEROSEXUAL misconduct of the Tailhook scandal?
---Cluny on 9/22/10


The moral state of our country is important unless Christians propose we ignore what's going on around us?
---Janet on 9/22/10


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What does this have to do with Christianity?
---anon on 9/22/10


Why should Lady Gaga, or any entertainer, have an effect on US military policy and law, save in her capacity as a private citizen?
---Cluny on 9/22/10


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