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Few Christians Really Saved

Since Christ said few would be saved, as in the days of Noah (8 saved, 1 family) and as Lot (3 out of 4, 1 family) why do Christians still say multitudes will be saved? Are only a few Christians really saved?

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JackB, you better watch out. MarkV doesn't believe the Greater One in you really is greater than the enemy. That simply must make it true no matter what the scripture says. That whole response to you left a bad taste in my mouth and only goes to show how far someone will go to to prove a faulty belief. The real enemy here isn't the satanist. It is the carnal reasoning of the one who thinks his doctrine is stronger than the very sacrifice of one man for all sins for all time, not only our sins but the sins of the whole world. God's issue isn't with the sin that was taken away. It is with unbelief in that sacrifice.
---Linda on 10/14/10


Does this sound like only a few?
Re7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands,
Re7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
---trey on 10/14/10


Mark you dont sound very confident in Gods ability to keep me from a lie as one of His children.

Im surprised to see that coming from a man who believes in Gods total sovereignty in all things. How could I be "in big trouble" unless it was Gods will that I become a satanist?

You teach that believers are already predestinated to eternal life. So what danger is their in her teaching me what she believes?

Sometimes I wonder if you really truly believe what you teach or if you just preach it for sake of arguing.
---JackB on 10/14/10


I love how you accuse me of not spreading the gospel and now that you know I am, you still find fault.

//Jack, I hope that satanist does not witness to you. Because if she does, you are in big trouble.//

I laughed here.

Im not worried about her "god", Mark. I know who he is. I know his vices. My God is stronger. Christ lives IN me and Im doing his work.

//Will you pray to God for Him to change her heart and save her?//

Oh I have been. But if we all just prayed and waited around then noone would ever know Jesus Christ. (Romans 10:14).
I dont believe anyone is beyond the grace of God until they die in unbelief. Love hopes in all things.
---JackB on 10/14/10


Jack, I hope that satanist does not witness to you. Because if she does, you are in big trouble. In fact what are you doing with her? Do you think you can convert her? That you have the power to convince her to go to Christ? Tell me Jack, how are you going to do it? You can not change her? And since you have trouble even knowing that God saved you, what will you do? Will you pray to God for Him to change her heart and save her? Or will you tell her she has free will? That God's hands are tight?
---MarkV. on 10/14/10




My thought-
God knows us before housed in flesh. We are still tempted within flesh from the enemy to deceive us from knowing truth.For some a choice is made-some not.
Mat 26:41
spirit is willing but flesh is weak. However-some in slumber--
Romans 11(all)--Foreknew-who have not bowed the knee to baal(yoked to falsehood)-remnant according to election-Is 29:10 Lord hath poured out upon you-spirit of deep sleep-hath closed your eyes...
Deut 29:3
Rom11:8 "God hath given them the spirit of slumber"---protection-Yet-we are told in Phil 2 Every Knee will bow(how long?)
Is 29:19 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
---char on 10/14/10


Mark, you ran out of arguments so you resorted to childish insinuations, suggesting that I dont speak to anyone about how great God is nor do I witness to others. You are the type of judgemental/hypocritical Christian that makes lost people blaspheme the name of God. A friend of mine last night saw what you posted and had to refrain herself from responding. I am currently witnessing to her. She is a Satanist.

And for the 10000th time... God does CALL/DRAW us (gives us the ability to repent/believe), but we have a responsibility to use that ability. People CAN resist the Holy Ghost. It is written in scripture. Im sorry if you dont like that because it attacks the core beliefs of Calvinism.
---JackB on 10/14/10


Gordon, you forget that Israel also rejected God. So they are all in one group sort of speaking. They both sinned, they both were evil, and idolatrous. Yet, God choose to destroy the others over Israel. Others you say had free will just like the Jews. What good was their free will I ask? Why was not the gospel preached to them but stayed within the Jews? If God wanted to save those others He didn't make any provisions as He did for Israel and they died with their free will as you say, and went to hell. You must be trying very hard to believe what you do, and not see the history of Scripture. How about all the man with Pharaoh, they too died with their free will. But not the Israelites.
---MarkV. on 10/14/10


Gordon 2: the unforgiven does reap what he sows. The forgiven reaps what the Spirit sows in him. You are right that other nations hated the Hebrews and their God, the very same Jews also hated God, for they rebelled against Him left and right, and God still protected them, and when they failed, He punished them and even helped their enemies to slave the Jews. Then He would help them again by destroying their enemies. Free will had nothing to do with anything. Only God's purpose and will had everything to do with the outcome of everything. God is in control Gordon and don't you forget it. What might seem to you out of control, are things you do not understand that God turns them for good. He is the Sovereign Almighty God of Scripture.
---MarkV. on 10/14/10


I cannot stand anyone saying things that are not true about God.---MarkV. on 10/13/10

Mark
Do you believe what Jesus said in (Luke 13:3)?
"Unless you repent, you too will all perish."

Mark
How does one turn from sin, unless they keep the Law, when sin is the transgression of the Law?
(1John 3:4)
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."


This being a fact, aren't you guilty of saying things that are not true about God, when you teach that obedience to the Lord's commandments plays no part in one's receiving of Eternal Life?
---David on 10/14/10




MarkV, The Ammorites, the Canaanites, the Jebuzzites, etc. all had free-will. Many rejected GOD, if not most or all. They hated the Hebrews, which is why they always set out to attack them. They CHOSE to hate the Hebrews and to fight against them. They CHOSE to hate the GOD of the Hebrews. GOD did not "make them" hate. GOD is not the author of Evil. But, GOD did use those enemies to chasten His people when they rebelled. When a person rejects GOD, making themselves bound for Hell, GOD CAN STILL MAKE USE OF THEM as vessels fit for Destruction. Of course, it does no one any good to reject GOD. It only seals their own fate for Hell! But, GOD is still glorified, for His Word stands true! He says a man will reap what he sows. And, so it is!
---Gordon on 10/14/10


Jack, you call the Truth childish? I answer to what you say, Here is what you said,
"Choosing Christ now means that I think Im better than the lost?"

Lets check. You have free will and all others have free will you say. you used it to come to Christ, they didn't. Bible in Romans 3 says, that "no one seeks of God" you say you did, while the others didn't. That makes you better then them. That somehow you could do what others couldn't, or, even smarter then the others. Jack, without God giving you those abilities you were the same as the others. Which really says, that without God first giving you the ability, you would have never come to Christ. But you refuse to except that fact, instead you take credit.
---MarkV. on 10/14/10


//Jack, so you don't speak about how great God is to anyone, I thought as a Christian you did, My mistake. I took it that you witnessed to others.//--- MarkV

Pure childishness. I expected more from you as a mature adult. I must say I am very disappointed.

//you chose Christ as your Lord. Great, how good of you. Those others around you who are lost, are not as good as you.//

Choosing Christ now means that I think Im better than the lost? That Im good? That is the attitude of a stuck up Christian world and one of the reasons the lost world rejects Christ. Hypocrisy

True believers accept Christ because they know they are NOT good. Not because they believe God loves them above everyone else.
---JackB on 10/13/10


//That is how I feel Jack, I in turned promised to stand by Him forever.//

You promised? You make it sound like you had a choice. Its free will or its not. You bounce back and forth too much for people to take you seriously.
---JackB on 10/13/10


Jack, I'm not sorry for my passion for Christ and love for God. I cannot stand anyone saying things that are not true about God. You worry more about someone saying things to you then about God. I have not heard you speak of the greatness of God, How He rules, How He has mercy on whom He wills. It is always about man's free will. Every single day the same. Standing against the Sovereign power of God is not on save ground. Maybe my approach is not with pure humble words, but its all that I know.
"The whole of my life stood open to His view from the beginning. He forsaw my every fall, my every sin, my every backsliding and yet He saved me" That is how I feel Jack, I in turned promised to stand by Him forever.
---MarkV. on 10/13/10


//How smart you are and how dumb they are. They should have been smart like you//--MarkV

Really? How absolutely petty of you to try to make it sound as though I equate accepting Christ with the level of a man's intelligence.

Intelligence means nothing without wisdom. The same as knowledge means nothing without love. Intelligence is the measure of what a man is capable of knowing. Wisdom is knowing how to apply what he has learned.

Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed

Apparently God wants us to KNOW that our choice will never bring us shame. If we have no choice in the matter then we have nothing to be ashamed of to begin with.
---JackB on 10/13/10


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Jack, so you don't speak about how great God is to anyone, I thought as a Christian you did, My mistake. I took it that you witness to others. So you don't speak of His greatness there or here. Then to proof how good while lost, you say,
"I am dependant on GODs ability to change my heart/will, "which is why I asked Jesus Christ to be my Lord and Savior"

You said, "The reason God changes you and you are dependened upon God is because you chose Christ as your Lord. Great, how good of you. Those others around you who are lost, are not as good as you. As I said before, maybe not as smart as you either. You made my point.
---MarkV. on 10/13/10


Mark, how can you not see that in order to bring salvation to the whole world (as things are now) God had to set certain events in motion. Certain things HAD to happen. He used the rebelliousness in mens hearts against them and they unknowingly participated in his plans.

Im not arguing that God did not intervene at times to bring about the greater good. But theres no NEED for that now. The purposes of the election you speak about have been fulfilled. Christ the Lamb has come, He has been slain, He has risen. The Jews have rejected him and salvation is now come also to the gentiles (rest of the world) to provoke them to jealousy. The work is DONE.

Now is the time He is drawing all men to himself (John 12:32)
---JackB on 10/13/10


Jack, I'm not sorry for my passion for Christ and love for God. I cannot stand anyone saying things that are not true about God. You worry more about someone saying things to you then about God. I have not heard you speak of the greatness of God, How He rules, How He has mercy on whom He wills. It is always about man's will. Every single day the same. Standing against the Sovereign power of God is not on save ground. Maybe my approach is not with pure humble words, but its all that I know.
"The whole of my life stood open to His view from the beginning. He forsaw my every fall, my every sin, my every backsliding and yet He saved me" That is how I feel Jack, I in turned promised to stand by Him forever.
---MarkV. on 10/13/10


Listen to what William Tyndale (a true Christian man) wrote,

What is the cause that we damn some of Origen's works and allow some? How know we that some is heresy and some not? By the scripture I trow. How know we that Saint Augustine (which is the best or one of the best that euer wrote vpon the scripture) wrote many things amiss at the beginning, as many other doctors do? Verily by the Scriptures, as he himself well perceived afterward when he looked more diligently vpon them, and revoked many things again. He wrote of many things which he understood not when he was newly converted, ere he had thoroughly seen the scriptures, and followed the opinions of Plato and the common persuasion of mans wisdom that were then famous.
---Kev on 10/13/10


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Gordon, the Scripture verse you gave is true, nothing there about free will. Only asking them to enter the narrow gate. And who will enter? Those who have faith in the works of Christ on the cross. For only His sheep hear His voice.
Second, you said I did not answer you on that God is not willing that any should perish, concluding man has power over God with their free will. Now think Gordon, do you remember the Edomites, Canaanites, Jebusite's, Amorite's, they if you say had free will. What good was their free will before God? Did God not destroy them all, for the servival of Israel? How better is your free will then theirs? Is yours better, more powerful, One that can stop God on His tracks? It's shear nonesense to believe in such a god.
---MarkV. on 10/13/10


//Jack, you talk alot of your opinions with no Scripture to support your view, when you do give one passage you twist it//

Sir which scripture are you referring to? I have posted dozens in the past all of which have been picked apart.

Please be specific so you can prove to me and everyone else here that you arent just being argumentative.

The question which you have never addressed is still on the table. Did you research St. Augustine and his system of beliefs and how Calvin adopted them? Or are you going to continue to avoid the question and bear false witness against me?
---JackB on 10/13/10


Gordon 2: So tell me, was God not willing that any should perish? In fact the Angel of the Lord distroyed thousands whom you say had free will. Was God limited? No, now you are implying He is limited now. How so? Who is man, sinful man at that, that can stop God on His tracks? You? Men in general would strip God of His Omnipotence and Omniscience if they could. What that only proves is that the carnal mind is enmity against God (Rom. 8:7). In fact the wicked naturally hate the Divine perfections of God, that they are compelled to acknowledge them to the world. They wish there be no witness of thier sins. They seek to banish such a God from their thoughts. They harden their hearts even more.
---MarkV. on 10/13/10


//You tell people around your home how great God is, and here only how great man is//---MarkV

Where did I say on ANY blog that man was great? Post it or stop bearing false witness against me, Mark. You are starting to show your true colors now. When you dont have an answer, you like to falsely accuse people.

I am dependant on GODs ability to change my heart/will, which is why I asked Jesus Christ to be my Lord and Savior.
---JackB on 10/13/10


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MarkV, Here's your Scripture Verse for the day: "Enter ye in at the Strait Gate: for WIDE is the gate, and BROAD is the way, that leadeth to Destruction (Hell & Lake of Fire), and...MANY...there be that go in thereat: Because Strait is the Gate, and Narrow is the Way, which leadeth unto Life, and FEW THERE BE that find it" MATTHEW 7:13-14. These Verses plainly state that there will be FEWER in comparison of those that will actually be saved and dwelling Forever in Heaven with GOD. Most will end up in Hell.
---Gordon on 10/13/10


God knows who will remain faithful. A great calling by Him. The faithful---only a few of us will remain faithful.....It's not something that will just fall upon you, you cannot trump it up. God knows those who will remain faithful, He knew when He called you.
---catherine on 10/13/10


MarkV, For Heaven's sake, YOU HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO THE COMMENT I MADE RIGHT BEFORE THE ONE I MADE OF WHICH YOU JUST NOW COMMENTED ON. Why is that...? What about "GOD willing that none perish" and yet many, many, many people STILL END UP IN HELL AND ETERNAL DAMNATION. If the word "willing", as used in this Statement", does not mean "desires", as I stated, and, if it means that GOD's Will "will be accomplished....WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL PERISHING?
---Gordon on 10/13/10


MarkV. GOD gives every human being the opportunity and freedom to choose Him or to reject Him. For those who reject Him, He will use as "vessels fit for Destruction". GOD does not change. What each individual human being chooses between the Choice of GOD or sinful rebellion does not make GOD weak. HE is the most Powerful in existence. Nothing would exist today if it were not for HIM. So, to declare that GOD made mankind with free-will to choose Him or reject Him does not, nor cannot "weaken" GOD in any way. GOD maintains His Integrity, even while the sinful rebellious ones drop into Hell, because He fairly gave them opportunity to choose Good over Evil, but, hey freely chose to reject GOD and the Good. They freely chose EVIL.
---Gordon on 10/13/10


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Gordon, do you really believe what you say? you said:
"MarkV, Yes, GOD wills, but, MAN WILL NOT LET HIM. That is exactly RIGHT!!!"
Why do you even call Him God? You should call man God. Don't be sucked in to even imply man has power over God. When you do that, your heart will be hardened, and there is no coming back. "He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" Dan. 4:35.
When you see what you call defeating God, is not that they have power over God, but that those are the one's ordain for hell.
Jehovah, hath made everything for its own end: Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil"
---MarkV. on 10/13/10


JackB, I take it that you know that GOD gives man free-choice. The Freedom, that is, to choose between Good and Evil. That even as Christians, we have the capability to "wake up" some day and choose to longer follow the LORD. Or, even after a series of compromises and "toying" with sin, which gradually cools down and then hardens our hearts toward GOD, to where we choose to longer serve HIM. And, it didn't mean that we "weren't really saved after all", but, rather, it's simply that we chose to no longer stay with GOD. The Scriptures do say that YAHUSHUA/JESUS will not lose those He was given. But, even then, it's because those were the ones who also CHOSE to remain in GOD, and did not quit running the Race.
---Gordon on 10/13/10


Jack, you talk alot of your opinions with no Scripture to support your view, when you do give one passage you twist it, change its meaning. Here's my opinion: In fact, on line, you have not mentioned anything good God can do that you cannot with your free will. You tell people around your home how great God is, and here only how great man is. You say you are dependened upon God, when in fact you depend on your free will. Again, God can do nothing without your permission. His plan depends on man like you. Who are smart enough to come to Christ on your own where others are not. How smart you are and how dumb they are. They should have been smart like you. You are consumed by your own free will that you cannot see the Almighty power of God.
---MarkV. on 10/13/10


He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Wouldnt it be a shame if we were changing something God intended to be so simple into something it seems hardly any men can grasp.

The verse does NOT say it pertains only to the believing world. Why put words in Gods mouth?

I would consider the number of Christians in the world compared to the total number of people who dont believe as "few".
---JackB on 10/13/10


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Youre wasting your breath Gordon.

Calvinists see a god that gives his creation free will as a failure.
They arent happy unless God has set a fate for every single man. A path from which he cannot detour.

This means the 33 year old man that rapes the 5 year old little girl was doing it because he was "fated" to do so. It was his path. Gods plan ya know? Poor little girl.. Oh well. Its all for righteousness. Mmhmmm

They are pagan beliefs introduced into Christianity by St Augustine from his studies of Mani and Plato after he left the faith. He returned later with the heresies. Calvin adopted them. The condition of their hearts is evident by the lives they led but Calvinists refuse to look at their FRUIT.
---JackB on 10/13/10


Are only a few Christians really saved?


All christians will be saved.
Truth is not everyone who calls themselve christians are christians:

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

Majority of people just want to be called " christians." They could care less about the righteousness( apparel) or doctries( bread) of christ.
---francis on 10/12/10


Calvinists are true Christians. And they are hated of the world. Saint Augustine, Apostle of England William Tyndale, and master Iohn Caluin were all hated of the world, but they are true persecuted Christians and indeed are in heauen now.

God's will is the rule of righteousness.
---Kev on 10/12/10


MarkV, Yes, GOD wills, but, MAN WILL NOT LET HIM. That is exactly RIGHT!!! Each person has to choose salvation for themselves! GOD will not force Salvation on anyone. There are many people who DO NOT WANT Salvation and wnat nothing to do with a GOD Who tells them how they should live! They are going to Hell for their stubborn rebelion in loving sin and hating GOD. When they get to Hell, THEN, they want out. THEN they want Salvation. But, THEN it is too late! So, YES, GOD wills that none perish, but, there are those people who will not let HIM save them. That doesn't make GOD "weak". It has nothing to do with whether GOD is "too weak or strong". It has to do with man's GOD-given free-will and freedom to choose for themselves.
---Gordon on 10/12/10


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MarkV, What..? That in that aforementioned Verse the word "wills" does not mean "desires"?? You know very well that the Scriptures state that "...GOD is willing that NONE PERISH." So, if "GOD wills" does not mean "GOD desires", but, rather, as YOU say "GOD wills, and will accomplish it...." Then, tell me, IF GOD wills that none perish, WHY ARE THERE PEOPLE GOING TO HELL? WHY ARE THERE PEOPLE, AND MANY PEOPLE AT THAT, GOING TO HELL? You are contradicting yourself.
---Gordon on 10/12/10


John 3:16 states "that whosoever believes" may have eternal life. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross is sufficient to pay the sin dept for all of mankind. The problem is the lost world hates God and Christ, in fact anyone that tells them how to believe and what to do. No one will come except the Spirit draws them. At salvation many things happen in a microsecond. It is hard to see which comes first. When man responds to the Spirit's call and is born again he receives a new nature, the old nature is still in the flesh but now can be constrained, the new nature enables him to experience the saving faith. It is only by the call that any are saved, but the way is open to all if only the old nature would let them.
---Harold on 10/11/10


THE number I wrote on 10/1O/10 is a mistake it's TWO HUNDRED MILLION
---RICHARD on 10/11/10


Gordon, you said,
"but, GOD has already stated that HE is willing, meaning He DESIRES, that none perish"
If you are correct in the interpretation of your passage, what do you have to say about'
"My counsel shall stand, and I will do all that I please" Isa 46:10.
But that could not be, if His counsel depended upon a condition which might not be performed. But "God worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" (Eph. 1:11). In every instance where God has decreed an end, He has also decreed every means to that end. You are saying He desires but man will not let Him. Just not Scriptural. He is the Potter, we are the clay. The clay does not tell the Potter what he wants to be.
---MarkV. on 10/11/10


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ROMANS 5:19 FOR as by ones man's disobedince Many were made sinner ,so by the obedience of one shall MANY be made made righeous.
( A few or remnant of 7 billion people still got to be alot)
There's a number thought to be it in REVELATION 9:16 AND the number of the army of the horse were two hundred thousand thousand and I heard the number of them.
( TWO MILLION )

---RICHARD on 10/10/10


All of these things have a future fulfillment. Notice the "future tense" in these Scriptures.

None of the events in The Book of Revelation has had a start of fulfillment. They are many many years ahead of us.

John said those events that he saw were events that were to occur in the Lord's Day. (Rev 1:10)

The Lord's Day is far into the future. It does not come until after the Great Tribulation and when the Lord's sign is seen.

Read Matthew 24:29-31
---R._Jerome_Harris on 10/10/10


Those are some good comments. Overall, my interpretation is that comparing Matthew 8:10-12 to Luke 13:23-30 are passages that speak very powerfully. Does anyone else see the connection of Matthew 8:11-12 and Luke 13:28-29? Reuelation 7:9 is an absolutely incredible passage.

As verse 10 nicely summarizes, Saluation cometh of our God, that sitteth vpon the throne, & of the Lambe.


(s=long s) The reason I mentioned this is because the Bible used for verse ten is about 450 years old. Fare well.
---Kev on 10/9/10


By the true meaning of Christian, on that is Christ like, they will all be saved. There are many who have the appearance of Christianity including doing miracles that never allow Christ to be Lord of there life. They put many other things, this includes earthly popularity and praise as some TV preachers have, in the place Jesus should be. How many of these good time 'Christians' would still preach if they had to endure what the apostle Paul went through. There Gospel of God giving wealth to believers would show that Paul never believed.
Many will be saved, but compared to how many are lost, the number is few.
---Harold on 10/8/10


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Kev, MATTHEW 8:12, to me, says that there will be many who were "children of (GOD's) Kingdom, who will, for whatever reason, end up in the Outer Darkness (Hell and the Lake of Fire), rather than entering into the Gates of Heaven. And, yet, meanwhile, there will be quite a number of (faithful, enduring-til-the-end) Saints who will be in Heaven, as per REVELATION 7:9. i.e. I think the Verses mean exactly what they say.
---Gordon on 10/7/10


What do you Christians think about Matthew 8:8-12 (especially the word "many" in verse 11)? And also Reuelation 7:9?
---Kev on 10/7/10


tom2, That's correct. Those Verses in MATTHEW 7:13-14 mean exactly what they say. It's a curious thing how 1/3, a minority, of the angels rebelled against GOD, but, humanity is the opposite. Most of us have rebelled. And it is sad and unfortunate to the greatest degree. And, it isn't because GOD wants it that way. Some people think that, but, GOD has already stated that HE is willing, meaning He DESIRES, that none perish. He just does not force anyone to be saved. Each of us has to make that Choice on our own accord, following the LORD's Promptings, of course.
---Gordon on 10/4/10


I suggest you read matt 7 -13-14
---tom2 on 10/4/10


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Kathr4453,
To your remark about the workers of iniquity you are correct.
But, as for the rest of what I said I am correct.
There will be no multitudes now as the multitudes are comprised from all times. A little from each generation.
In the last day it shall be few just as Jesus said.
For some of these to say otherwise is blasphemy. You do not call Christ a liar.
May God bless.
---Frank on 9/27/10


Christians WILL be saved. It is false christians who will perish. It was Christ who warned "His people",

"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many." (Matthew 24:4,5)

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before." (Matthew 24:24,25)
---christan on 9/27/10


"Did not we prophesy" the workers of iniquity were at one time his.

The list could go on. Not all who call themselves Christ's are truly his.
---Frank on 9/25/10

Well Frank, to your first comment I will disagree. Scripture states they started with you but departed because they were NEVER saved to begin with. The workers of Iniquity were NEVER Christ's.

2nd I agree the word Christian today is a generic term saying you are not Islam, Hindu or Jew...

I also believe the fullness of the Gentiles is just about UP (not to be confused with the TIME of the Gentiles.)

Gentile arrogance is more rampant today then ever before and is my thermometer for reading the sign of the times. 2 Timothy 3!
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10


Today Christianity is more a political term, people are being identified by a religious preference than a commitment to any beliefs. the bible says there are who will call Jesus Lord Lord and do miracles in his name who will be rejected on the day of judgment because he does not know them. This means they have never submitted to as Lord. To them Lord is a theological term referring to God. They no longer know that the Lord is the one to control every aspect of the servants life. He would provide there needs but they place money and many other things over his provision. They must do what He said He would do. If they don't trust Him for today how can they trust Him for eternity.
---Harold on 9/27/10


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Please consider the post made by---RICHARD on 9/26/10.
Here is a statement with great insight and understanding of the situation as it exists today.
---mima on 9/27/10


FRANCIS - Got this one right -----
REVELATION 7:9 After this I beheld a GREAT MUILTUDE, which no man could number, of all nations and kindreds,and people,and tongues, stood before the thone, and before the lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands,
( These people are not coming from the churches,but out side them,or these are people that have left the church, NO MAN CAN NUMBER - Churches keep registry, so they know how many people they got)
---RICHARD on 9/26/10


Catherine I am not depending upon my obedience to be accepted by God.

Rather I'm depending upon the obedience of Jesus Christ. Romans 5:19,
" For as by one man's disobedience(Adam's) many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one(Jesus) shall many be made righteous."
---mima on 9/26/10


Most do not know nor understand what it means to really be saved from eternal hell. Not everyone who says Lord Lord will be saved. You must be raised from the dead, you must be born-again, you must obey your God. Ahh Jesus.++
---catherine on 9/26/10


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\\I am not saved by "Kissing Icons"\\

Who said anybody was?

I don't know anybody who thinks that.

Do you?

The death of St. John is as definite in the Bible as the death of the other apostles.

And yes, we KNOW he died and his grave is in Ephesus.

YOU are the one believing a fairy tale.
---Cluny on 9/26/10


Cluny, I leave that to G-d.
I am not saved by "Kissing Icons"

Nor due I follow your fairy tales and Ghost stories. Whether it is the Orthos or the RCCs

No one knows where John was buried, but then again he did leave his death open and vague in his Gospel.
---John on 9/26/10


Not all who claim to be Christians really are, but it's certainly presumptuous to think you know how many, or what percentage, are. What is a "multitude",anyway?
In all the world's population, so-called "Christians" are not the majority. So, from that standpoint, true Christian believers may be "few". And for those who believe salvation is gained and lost, calculation is quite impossible.
"Few" may number in the millions. God alone knows how many "Christians" are really saved.
---Donna66 on 9/25/10


\\YES! VERY FEW!
My guess is there about 12 people out there who are really Christian. Probably being taught by the apostle John, who may still be alive.

99.99999% of so -called Christians are headed to Hell.
---JOHN on 9/25/10\\

And in which group to you put yourself, JOHN?

(The Apostle John died as long time ago, btw. His grave is in Ephesus.)

**No, cluny, I do not get a warm "feeling", but I do draw much comfort from being able to KNOW that I have been saved(born again) through the finished, redemptive work of Jesus Christ. I know that there is no good in me of my own, but Jesus Christ died for me and gave me HIS righteousness.**

Warm feelings by any other name, tommy.
---Cluny on 9/25/10


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YES! VERY FEW!
My guess is there about 12 people out there who are really Christian. Probably being taught by the apostle John, who may still be alive.

99.99999% of so -called Christians are headed to Hell.
---JOHN on 9/25/10


No, cluny, I do not get a warm "feeling", but I do draw much comfort from being able to KNOW that I have been saved(born again) through the finished, redemptive work of Jesus Christ. I know that there is no good in me of my own, but Jesus Christ died for me and gave me HIS righteousness.
---tommy7376 on 9/25/10


Kathr,

In the book of Acts it does show multitudes being saved but Paul wrote that by the time he was ready to put off the tabernacle all had turned but about 5 or 6 or so.

Remember the parable about the seed on 4 types of soil.

Many receive the word but when it is all said and done few remain.

For those to be spewn out (Revelation) they first must have been in.

"Did not we prophesy" the workers of iniquity were at one time his.

The list could go on. Not all who call themselves Christ's are truly his.
---Frank on 9/25/10


I would say that the majority of proclaiming christians live more in and of the world than they care to admitt,even to themselves.
---tom2 on 9/25/10


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when I see the divorce rates,and the ongoing seeking of money and worldly possessions I must say they may be saved ,but are living lives lost in the flesh.
---tom2 on 9/24/10


I feel that through God's Grace and Mercy that we are Saved through the Blood of Jesus Christ. However, we need to accept Him as our Personal Savior, He dosen't want to see none of us perish, but to come into repentance of our sins. Salvation is according to our faith and belief in the things of God. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:18
---Kimbe7395 on 9/24/10


For many are called but few are chosen, He will take a people out of a people. Just using a number figure of 5000, there may be just 500 - 1000 that He will take. Because all of the others have been playing with the devil & his glitter - glamorous pleasures of the world. God will Not tolerate it. You canNot serve 2 masters.
---Lawrence on 9/23/10


Since we are not God and have no power to save anyone. Or judge anyone, for that matter. Let's just wait and see. Jesus will come as a Judge when he returns. Not as a Saviour. The time to be saved and getting saved is now! Many people are being carried astray and are anxious, as it is. We should not add anymore problems and worries. Trying to live a save life here on Earth, is hell, in itself. All of our concentration should go to trying to stay saved and do the will of God. That will take a lifetime to do that and to get it right.If ever.
I will continue to strive everyday to do what God requires of me. If that is enough, then I will miss the mark.But I am not giving up. I will continue the struggle until Jesus comes.
---Robyn on 9/23/10


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family) why do Christians still say multitudes will be saved? Are only a few Christians really saved?

ANSWER:

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands,


Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
---francis on 9/23/10


Yes, only a few "Christians" are really saved. You can see it in what they say/preach. If they do NOT go by the Bible as their standard of truth, but by what they believe, their pastor/Bible college professor taught them, what their denomination believes, or what others want to hear as truth - those are the one's NOT truly saved. The Bible should be our ONLY standard of truth, anything else is a LIE. Even when hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit (God) - the Holy Spirit will ALWAYS line up with the Bible, or it is a demonic spirit speaking. People claim to be a "Christian" because they believe in God - the Bible says even Satan believes in God.
---Leslie on 9/23/10


I believe so. There is so much false doctrine rampant iin the Church today. Easy believism. Easy Gospel message. More concern for "prosperity" and "being the best you that you can be." and it's a mess. Few people in the Church, comparatively speaking, will be ready for the Lord's Return
---Gordon on 9/23/10


a "few" in our minds is not the same to God. Also there are two classes that belong to GOd. the multitude you are referring to can belong to the earthly class whom will reisde on the new earth. (yes it is scriptual) however how many in this multitude can still be far less then we can comprehend. Say for example he made 1billion on the earth, but only 1 million accepts him, that is still a large loss!
Then you have the heavenly class(the 144,000) these are the one whom will help Christ reign over the new earth. So you see it is "few" but still plenty.
---candice on 9/23/10


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tommy7376, do you get a nice warm feeling at the idea that you in fact are among the saved?
---Cluny on 9/23/10


So, YES, there are many christians who are not/will not be saved.
---tommy7376 on 9/23/10

Frank, tommy7376, if they are not saved, then they are not christians ,)!

Acts 5:14
And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)
---kathr4453 on 9/23/10


A real Christian is one with Christ and manifests the fruits from Christ: a synthetic christian is separate from Christ and manifests antiChrist fruits.
---Eloy on 9/23/10


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