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Holy Spirit Removed From Earth

What do you think would happen to real Born Again Christians if the Holy Spirit were removed from this earth.

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//my witch/satanist friend has now accepted Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior.//

planting the seed is the first step. continue with your friend so she does not grow to fast without deep roots and wither and die or she does not get choked out by the ways of the world. Jesus did it for His friends.

"born again" does not happen until she is fully delivered as a baby.

All praise to you Father!
---aka on 10/26/10


Its not going to happen so it doesn't matter.
---larry on 10/26/10


Awesome, JackB! Your testimony was a wonderful end to the limited atonement blog. I know you didn't plan for it to be the last post. There are many who will celebrate with you and all of heaven...and some who will sit around wondering if she is REALLY saved. Heaven rejoices over one ~sinner~ who repents.
---Linda on 10/26/10


//peace I leave you.//--- MarkV

How quickly you "leave" someone who disagrees with you as though you are the sole authority and truth-bringer. Who made you so? We all have the same Spirit of Christ. He teaches us, not MarkV.

Btw my witch/satanist friend has now accepted Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior.

Dont be so quick to judge who you think the 'elect' are, my friend. She is living proof that the approach a man uses bringing the gospel can make the difference.

I thank God for those of you who offered prayers for my friend and supported me in witnessing to her. I pray He blesses you in a special way. Its nice to see there are still Christian people who truly have the love of Christ in them.
---JackB on 10/26/10


Mark V, You use the term "omnipresent" as tho it was fact.
Jesus said (Mat6) "Our father who art in heaven...."
Notice He did not say "everywhere all the time every place..."nor did He use the term "omnipresent"
JN.29.17 "I'm returning to my Father..." does that sound like God is actually "somewhere"?? certainly does to me !
If the Son says the Father is "in heaven" unless He lied, that's exactly where He is!
Scriptural psychobabble does not really help!
---1st_cliff on 10/26/10




I believe this question has been based on the Heretical Belief of Pri Trib. Which on several posts, I have blasted enough holes in this heresy that I opened up a Swiss Cheese factory!

Here's another hole...

If the Holy Spirit is gone during the Tribulation (which of course you will avoid) then how are the "Left Behind" getting saved.

You can't repent and get saved without the Holy Ghost to enter you.

And actually if you really study Scripture ..."In the beginning..." and understood the Spirit of G-d. You would realize that if this Spirit every left the Earth or the Universe. All will cease to exist!... ALL! There would no longer be any cohesion. It will be voided.
---JOhn on 10/26/10


Mima, I know I have not agreed with some of your views lately, which is probably why you stop writing me, but I will not agree with you on everything. I might agree on some, and will say so, but not on some others, like preaching the gospel in groups inside a Casino and in tongues, they do not allow groups to teach the gospel inside a Casino especially if employees you are preaching to work there, or in tongues unless those people are from another country and you know their language. Also, in order to be indwelled by the Spirit, you need to be born of the Spirit by God. Simple gospel truths. peace I leave you.
---MarkV. on 10/26/10


Well, they would either go with Him or their bodies would fall down dead seeing as it is the same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead that gives life to our mortal bodies.
---Linda on 10/26/10


Mima, you should read my response before you make assumptions too. I totally do not agree with whatever Jack says, since he knows how to read, but falsely makes assumptions to discredit what someone says. Here is what I said in answer to Elders question:
"Elder, as to your question, I believe the born again Christian would not lose his second rebirth, but would lose the indwelling of the Spirit "if the Holy Spirit was to leave" the earth. "But that cannot be possible" since God is Omnipresent, everywhere, at everytime, for all time since His character, nature and attributes do not change. He is not restricted in a place."
---MarkV. on 10/26/10


I totally agree with what---JackB on 10/26/10 has to say on this question.
---mima on 10/26/10




//the born again Christian would not lose his second rebirth, but would lose the indwelling of the Spirit if the Holy Spirit was to leave the earth//

Mark, did you really just basically say that the Holy Spirit can leave a believer?

If He is what regenerates us and renews our mind then He IS our rebirth. If we lose him we lose our seal.

Something to study here. We receive the Holy Spirit AFTER we believe (Eph 1:14) and are adopted as sons (Gal 4:6) which means we are adopted as sons before our renewal. It is the blood of Christ that saves. The Holy Spirit is Gods token of that covenant.

Eph 4:30
And grieve not the Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption
---JackB on 10/26/10


Elder, as to your question, I believe the born again Christian would not lose his second rebirth, but would lose the indwelling of the Spirit if the Holy Spirit was to leave the earth. But that cannot be possible since God is Omnipresent, everywhere, at everytime, for all time since His character, nature and attributes do not change. He is not restricted in a place.
---MarkV. on 10/24/10


You are referring to the "Rapture". Now, this...Believers who go through the "tribulation" will be protected from the devastating outpouring of God's wrath and Judgment [1 Thess. 5:9]. Unbelievers had better run, run, run, run. find a rock to hide under. Will do you no good. The earth is going to shake like you've never seen it. You'll see. Perhaps some kind of a nuclear devastation. Hallelujah. God lives. Jesus was raised from the dead. Because, He lives God's people shall live. Hallelujah+
---catherine on 10/20/10


Rhonda, there you go ranting and raving about how others are so terrible and being antichrist and on and on. Venting your hatred for others who do not agree with you. There is one other here that, thats all he does. How great he is and how terrble everyone else is. Now its you. When you talk about matters outside of Scripture you are great, but when it's God's Word, you change so fast. It does not take much. For I see you did not answer the questions. But you do not have to. It's not a must, if you cannot or don't want to, or don't have an answer, or you do have an answer but feel better telling everyone they are terrible and you are great.
---MarkV. on 10/19/10


Rhonda ... You have not told us whether you are Christian, or not.

Since your views are widely at variance with other Christians here, it would be interesting to know which branch, denomination, sect or cult you belong to.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/19/10


when I ask what denomination you said none, so I ask what cult, which means outside Christianity.
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there ARE christian cults - anyone can say Christs name on their lips as Christ stated people would yet they would be NONE of His

No you are not attacking me I understand difference you simply attack Truth from Holy Scripture tearing down Scripture as LIES choosing to dismiss plain Truth or ADD some ideas from whatever brand of christianity that you CLEARLY defend serve worship and cherish

ONLY men have divided Christ creating superstitions mysteries of inequity with their many thousands of brands many prefer beliefs given ABOUT a Jesus by their lying ministers rather than proving if these beliefs exist in Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 10/19/10


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Rhonda, I was not trying to attack you. You have mentioned many things bad about Christians, and when I ask what denomination you said none, so I ask what cult, which means outside Christianity.
You did not answer my questions and you quoted man was deceived, don't you think you yourself might be deceived? You do not even believe the Words of Christ, where he said before you enter the kingdom, you must be born again. You say it does not happen in this life, what's up with that? When does it happen? Once you are physically dead? And again, what about the Spirit of God? Isn't He Omnipresent?
---MarkV. on 10/19/10


//In other words, Jesus does not do a u-turn in mid-air...WE are the ones who do that.// ---Cluny

Amen.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

as He descends...I u-turn to be with Jesus. On the day of the Lord, (a few verses later in Ch. 5, a continuation of 4), He does not u-turn for me.

text without context is just a con.
---aka on 10/18/10


Rhonda, You don't claim to be Christian and make sure everyone knows it. Ok, what cult do you belong to?
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I know I'm either going to hell unsaved some sort of clay belong to cult many other angry hostile "christ-like" responses LOL ...getting used to LOVING "christians" here professing ABOUT Jesus and "obeying" in "love"

seeing Biblical Christ is first fruits of many sons of God dying then resurrected to eternal life HE PROVED one cannot be born again in THIS physical life

Christ stated MANY would be deceived not FEW His future rule is in Gods Kingdom on earth - an inheritance at RETURN ...salvation and eternal life changing from physical to spiritual being is an inheritance
---Rhonda on 10/18/10


//From what web site did you get YOUR information saying that there was a 70 year gap between Paul and Revelation?
---Cluny on 10/18/10//
I don't recall making that statement.
//Where did you get the idea I got it from a web site?//
you can find just about any numbers on many different web sites as well as different commentaries
---michael_e on 10/18/10


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\\//The date of Revelation is about 90 AD.

The first of St. Paul's Epistles, namely 1 Cor, is about 54 AD.

---Cluny on 10/17/10//

What web site did this come from?
I bet if you try another web site you can get different numbers.
---michael_e on 10/18/10\\

Where did you get the idea I got it from a web site?

This is in most standard commentaries and histories of the NT.

From what web site did you get YOUR information saying that there was a 70 year gap between Paul and Revelation?
---Cluny on 10/18/10


//The date of Revelation is about 90 AD.

The first of St. Paul's Epistles, namely 1 Cor, is about 54 AD.

---Cluny on 10/17/10//

What web site did this come from?
I bet if you try another web site you can get different numbers.
---michael_e on 10/18/10


Rhonda, You don't claim to be Christian and make sure everyone knows it. Ok, what cult do you belong to?
Second, you contradict your own statements"
"no scriptures imply "holy spirit in earth" why follow LIES of men???"
then you quote and give Scripture to boot,
"Holy Spirit DWELLS within True Believers who OBEY Acts 5:32, John 14:17 & 15:10 Rom 8:9,11, 1Corin 3:16, Col 3:16, James 1:22-25, 4:5, 1John 3:24, 4:13
Gods Holy Spirit is ALWAYS with True Believers guiding teaching correcting"

Since God's Holy Spirit is Omnipresent, and He endwells believers here on earth, how can He not be here on earth? Can you explain that?



---MarkV. on 10/18/10


\\not a rapture, how do we (the Saints) come back with Jesus in Rev. with our Crowns of Glory? \\

Where did you get the idea that we returned "with Jesus with crowns of glory"?

When Jesus returns, the saved will be caught up in clouds to escort Him back to earth when He comes to judge, as Matthew, 1 Thes, and Jude say.

In other words, Jesus does not do a u-turn in mid-air. That is NOT what "descend" means.

WE are the ones who do that.
---Cluny on 10/17/10


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not a rapture, how do we (the Saints) come back with Jesus in Rev. with our Crowns of Glory? Obviously we had to go before to receive them in order to have them on our heads when we come back.
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rapture is antichrist to Holy Scirpture ..Christians don't click heels three times and go to never-never-land

Christ does not vacuum people up -- or whisk them away ...how absurd ...examples in OT EXPLAIN how God supernaturally PROTECTED His faithful ...HE didn't "take them out"

the "crown" is symbolic of leadership ...seeing the faithful in Christ are changed physical to spiritual in resurrection of ALL at the LAST TRUMP

(hint) tribulation is OVER when Christ returns to rule earth with His Saints
---Rhonda on 10/17/10


If God left, we would go with Him. Yes, all born-again believers, We would all pack up, and By, BY, to this world. Going home to be with our Savior.....Unbelievers, how sad your situation is and will be, left behind. Nothing but evil, wickedness, SATAN, and his DEMONS. Satan is going to go for your MINDS.....Believe you me, I am already seeing some signs of this, more, and more seeing it. Satan destroying people's minds, bodies and their very lives. Yes, Jesus, your only answer.+++
---catherine on 10/17/10


\\ First remember that what Paul wrote was 70 or so years before John\\

The date of Revelation is about 90 AD.

The first of St. Paul's Epistles, namely 1 Cor, is about 54 AD.

Where did you get the idea that St. Paul wrote 70 years before St. John?
---Cluny on 10/17/10


I've never replied here before but I had to after ready Eloy's posts, especially regarding the "come up hither". First remember that what Paul wrote was 70 or so years before John so Paul's words your talking about are not referring to John's visions. If there's not a rapture, how do we (the Saints) come back with Jesus in Rev. with our Crowns of Glory? Obviously we had to go before to receive them in order to have them on our heads when we come back. God always takes his righteous out before He destroys, why would this time by any different?
---MBJ on 10/17/10


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It is not the Holy Spirit that will leave the earth, but love.
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nothing in Holy Scripture supports that idea

no scriptures imply love is removed from earth when love GIVEN to us Rom 5:5 - us = humans not earth ...love is fulfilling Gods laws 1John 5:3, Rom 7:12, 14 & 13:10

no scriptures imply "holy spirit in earth"

why follow LIES of men???

Holy Spirit DWELLS within True Believers who OBEY Acts 5:32, John 14:17 & 15:10 Rom 8:9,11, 1Corin 3:16, Col 3:16, James 1:22-25, 4:5, 1John 3:24, 4:13

Gods Holy Spirit is ALWAYS with True Believers guiding teaching correcting

blog question is nonsense when Holy Scriptures are applied
---Rhonda on 10/16/10


It is not the Holy Spirit that will leave the earth, but love. And it is the end time tribulation that will cause christians to fall away from the truth - separating the wheat from the shaff, the christians from the christians who are not. Fear of what is happening in the world has enveloped the hearts of christians. They fear what is happeing in the world instead of fearing God. While God is pouring out his spirit upon the earth, no one is listening.
---Steveng on 10/15/10


Where are you from?
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LOL I'm from earth living in America

ashamed of my denomination? interesting

Mark are you BLIND - there are NO denominations in Holy Scripture

TRUE Christians worship in truth and spirit as described in Holy Scripture not defending a brand with rah rah rah - go team Jesus

True Christians stand on ONE TRUTH every word of God from Holy Scripture

mainstream christianity preaches by their BRAND of christianity a religion ABOUT "a Jesus"

no physical human is "re-born" in this life ...it is a future inheritance when Christ returns to resurrect all to eternal spiritual life

Holy Spirit is not IN the earth it DWELLS in the minds of believers
---Rhonda on 10/15/10


//Are you suggesting there is no such thing as spiritual rebirth.//

To have a spiritual rebirth, don't you first have to have a spiritual birth?
---michael_e on 10/15/10


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If the Holy Spirit were removed from the earth then there would be no born-again Christians here!
---mima on 10/15/10


Rhonda, this is the third time I question what you said.
"Are you suggesting there is no such thing as spiritual rebirth. Or what is called "born again" or "Regeneration?"
Can you tell us what denomination you come from? It would seem that by your answers you are not a Christian. Is this Mormon theology or Jehovah Witness theology? Where are you from? You must belong to some denomination. Do not be ashame to say which one, if you believe in it.
---MarkV. on 10/15/10


\\ He could have done it in one.\\

Actually, this is what Genesis 2 suggests.
---Cluny on 10/15/10


Cliff because of God's wisdom and power He created everything in 6 days. He could have done it in one. After 6000 years He has not put an end to the things that are going on. That is because of His Mercy. He is giving folks space to repent.
Ugh... about that clip upside your head, ummm... did you deserve it this time? (Just didn't want you trying to fly upside down in a Helicopter.)
---Elder on 10/1/10


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the Holy Spirit dwells within the minds of those who are called by The Father in Heaven

there are many scriptures that support the Spirit dwelling in the minds of those who worship in truth and spirit

there are no scriptures supporting the idea that a "Holy Spirit" is IN the earth

born again christiandom is unsupported by Holy Scripture

the question is nonsensical from a True Christian perspective maybe those in the worlds mainstream christianity will have some fluffed up fairy tales to serve up
---Rhonda on 10/1/10


The Holy Ghost is here for those who will receive. When the rapture takes place then there will be no more Holy Ghost for the gentiles, but will be only for to minister to the Jewish people, certain of those which is 144,000.
---Lawrence on 10/1/10


Cliff, I don't know everything in the Bible, and don't know why things were written the way they were and not some other way. I do know all He says in Scripture has a reason and is Truth, the killing of the Cannanites and others, the chosing of Irael over others, and also permitting sin to continue. I don't question the authenticity of Scripture, I know it's true, what I do is find out why things were permitted by God the way they were. You say,
"It's this kind of "logic" that makes one wonder is there really any "truth" anywhere?" It's all truth, but not in your logic. The god you created was from your own logic. Because of lack of true faith. Faith says, I believe it, now I need to know why its that way.
---MarkV. on 10/1/10


I believe God, through His Word, created the heavens and the Earth in six normal days, just as He told the Israelites after the exodus.
---micha9344 on 9/30/10


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Elder, Every once in a while you give me a little clip up-side the head,sometimes I deserve it sometimes not but ,hey, my daddy used to do the same thing and I miss him dearly!
---1st_cliff on 9/30/10


The Holy Spirit is God also so he is eternal.

(1Cor 2:14-16 [NET])
The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is understood by no one.
For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to advise him? But we have the mind of Christ.

This above is for the ones who claim to be with knowledge but have no spiritual Knowledge.
---Royll on 9/30/10


Jesus put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. How much more sin do you need put away? In other words, how many more times does He need to die to finally satisfy you to the same degree God is satisfied?
---Linda on 9/30/10


Mark V, No I didn't "create" God (It's the other way around)
**When God is good and ready He will do away with sin**
After 6 thousand years He's not "good and ready" yet the same fundamentalist will insist that He created the whole universe in 6-24hr.days.
It's this kind of "logic" that makes one wonder is there really any "truth" anywhere?

No scripture was ever written in English, so what it boils down to is ,it's all a matter of interpretation!(and opinion)
---1st_cliff on 9/30/10


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Cliff, I didn't want to get into this with you but......
I and others here, like Mark V, have more evidence that Holy Spirit is everywhere than you do that He is not. Why would He not have been in the gas chambers and death camps when His people were dying? He gives comfort. Do you want to debate that. He has used you to give comfort also.
As far as "getting real" the reality is He is all present and all powerful. You can't hide from Him but so long. Even Paul, who you reject, also found that out.
(Friendly rebuke.. I still love you my friend.)
---Elder on 9/30/10


Psalms 139 explains it well for those that aren't blinded by the world and it's evil.
---micha9344 on 9/29/10


Cliff, If He is everywhere He is everywhere. He is not restricted by time, or space, or for that matter people or city or nation. You can be anywhere and He will hear you, you cannot hide from God. As a sovereign God He was in all those cities where millions died, if you are questioning why then didn't He do something, it is because He has not done away with sin. Until He does millions upon millions will die a terrible death, not just them. Even those who Love the Lord with all their hearts die at the hands of evil man sins. When God is good and ready He will do away with sin, and will show His justice on all those wicked people. That is the God of Scripture. But of course that is not the One you have created.
---MarkV. on 9/29/10


Mark V, We can glean from bible study where God is.
My problem with your post was saying that "There's no place God isn't"
Does that mean He was at Auswitch, Dachau, Buchenwald, Sobibor, Treblinka etc 1933-1945? Watching "His" people (Fundamentalist concept) suffer unmerciful atrocities?
Maybe He's not "everywhere"!

You can see the reason for my snide remarks and saying you don't live in the "real" world!
No insults intended!
---1st_cliff on 9/29/10


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Cliff, after all that talk about me and and how smart you are, you say,
God knows our limited capacity for knowledge and doesn't expect us to "analyze" Him"
How do you know God knows what you said? You do not have the knowledge of God. If as you say "He knows "our" limitation" The "our" means every single person in the world, but you do not believe He is Omniscience. Knowing all. You first say that is not a true statement, now your response has what that statement means.
---MarkV. on 9/29/10


The Holy Spirit and also the real born-again Christians will be removed from the earth. And Catherine is right, if anyone thinks that it is bad right now on this earth, just wait and see what happens when all of us holy people of God are raptured up from off the earth, you do not want to be here when this happen, believe you me, it would be better if a mill stone was tied around your neck and you were cast into the sea, then to be here when only every kind of unbridled evil and wickedness exists.
---Eloy on 9/29/10


Mark V, Actually your religious fantasies ,if not serious, are amusing!
Like so many on here you don't live in the "real" world but some mythological ideas that are a "hold-over" from the pagan religions of old!
Everything you read you take as some mysterious double meaning.
God knows our limited capacity for knowledge and doesn't expect us to "analyze" Him!
Omnipotent, omniscient homoousios and omnipresent, are all "grandiose" words made up sound like "knowledge" but really to support "religious" ideas!
---1st_cliff on 9/29/10


Elder, thank you for the answer. Just giving my answer to your question. I can see why you didn't want to discuss the topic with Cliff. I think he looks to where he can catch you with words in order for him to have a good day at home. Must be pretty lonely that he has to find that way of amusing himself.
---MarkV. on 9/28/10


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Cliff, it is an actual fact that God is Omnipresent. If you were to read all of the Scriptures you will find out that He is. The same holds true with Omnipotent, He is Omnipotent. Just because those words are not found in the Scriptures, the Scriptures proclaim that He is. But that was not your purpose for answering, I know because you added a few remarks about God. Which seems to amuse you. Thats ok. One reason I don't answer or listen to much of what you write. I cannot learn anything from you. That's why I try to not to discuss anything with someone who doesn't care but is here to amuse himself. It would be a waste of my time.
---MarkV. on 9/28/10


Mark V, Manufacture a word that's not in the bible (Omnipresent) and apply it to God as tho it was actual fact.
It's only in your mind as your "concept" of how God might be!
God asked satan where he was (Job.1.) like "he didn't know?"
Gen.3.9. God called Adam and said "where are you?"...Was he faking it? No God is not in your closet or trunk of your car or behind the curtains , He doesn't need to be!
Stay with a little "reality!"
---1st_cliff on 9/28/10


Cliff, I don't necessary think your question was wrong. I just didn't want to debate something we had done before. My mistake, please forgive me.
MarkV, I can relate and agree with your statements.
What most people do not realize is that during the Tribulation Holy Spirit will still minister. His ministering will change in the Tribulation. He worked differently with OT Saints than NT ones.
Cluney's confusion about the Catching Away does not give account of this. Many don't understand the events so they deny them. The "Rapture" was being taught back in the 3rd century. Folks have fell into the Margaret McDonald lie so they deny that it could happen. They try to tie God down as if He could not do what He wills to do.
---Elder on 9/28/10


Elder, my answer is that the Holy Spirit is not by nature a person which is contained. He is Omnipresent. There is no place where God is not. Yet as Spirit, God does not occupy any place, in the sense that physical objects occupy space. He has no physical qualities that can occupy space. To meet God there is not a "where" to go or a "when" to occur. The "Omni" relates not only to places where God is, but also to how much of Him is in any given place. He is fully present everywhere. We as Christians can always be certain of God's undivided attention. Also, there is no place we can hide from God. For there is no corner in the Universe where God is not.
---MarkV. on 9/28/10


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\\ And you really don't want to be left down here with only Satan his demons, because there will be total chaos, madness.\\

If you're waiting for a pre-trib rapture, catherine, you'll be among the first to fall down and worship Antichrist.
---Cluny on 9/28/10


I know what would happen! If God goes [the Person of the holy spirit] True Christian goes. And you really don't want to be left down here with only Satan his demons, because there will be total chaos, madness. This is why the world should love God and His people. Of course then everyone would be saved, and that's not ever gonna happen.....PS. 45:7>>>listen up...."God will not commit rule and authority to one who will not rule righteously"....The fact is God lovest righteously, and hates wickedness. HAAAAAA.
---catherine on 9/27/10


We will go, too. Have you ever read Philo? Much like Josephus, he gave an account of the biblical journey from Genesis on. I found soething to be of particular interest, at least to me. In the account of the flood, the KJV reads "My Spirit shall not strive with man always."

The word translated "strive" is a word no longer used in Hebrew, and the meaning is uncertain. Philo used "dwell". The Holy Spirit is restraining evil, so He must leave for sin to increase to the point of God's judgment of the whole earth. WHen He leaves, we go
---James_L on 9/27/10


Elder, Sorry but I didn't think my question was "out of line" since you posed the topic!
I thought it might be an opportunity for you to expound on the subject!
---1st_cliff on 9/27/10


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Elder,Define the roll of the Holy Spirit on earth today, as you understand it!
1st_cliff
Cliff, I, as I hope you know, really love and respect you personally. We have debated this question in time past, maybe about 4 years ago.
You have served the ball outside of the court line. I have no inclination or responsibility to return your serve. But, I will say this,
In O.T. time the Holy Spirit came upon believers. In N.T. times He indwells the Church/Believers. He will not leave or forsake us at any time. During the Tribulation He again will come upon Believers to empower them. Now, He holds sin back from running rampant.
He is/was also Creator God.
---Elder on 9/27/10


\\ When Jesus says Come up hither only those that belong to him will meet him in the air,\\

Those words were aimed at John during his vision.

They do NOT refer to a non-existent pre-trib rapture.
---Cluny on 9/25/10


Elder
since Real Born Again Christians are filled with the Holy Spirit . When Jesus says Come up hither only those that belong to him will meet him in the air, in saying this he takes his Holy Spirit from the earth (that's the only way the anti christ can set him self up here in the earth after the church is called out), now some say that there will be Christians left here but i say if this is so How will they be able to stay strong without the HS to protect them from the anti Christ ?
---Lea on 9/24/10


Elder,Define the roll of the Holy Spirit on earth today, as you understand it!
---1st_cliff on 9/24/10


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"\\You have shown by your question that you don't know.
---Elder on 9/23/10\\

There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture, Eloy, if that's what you're thinking."
---Cluny on 9/24/10
Thank you Cluny. You continue to reveal by your post that you still don't know. Why, you don't even know who you are answering.
---Elder on 9/24/10


\\You have shown by your question that you don't know.
---Elder on 9/23/10\\

There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture, Eloy, if that's what you're thinking.
---Cluny on 9/24/10


He goes, I go.

I could not survive without Him.
---Donna5535 on 9/24/10


Scripture says when a Prince gives a gift to a son the son retains the gift. When he gives it to a servant on the year of release it goes back to the son.
Many do not have the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Some that do have it will lose it on the last day when the Spirit is removed.
Those who have the gift and endure unto the end shall meet him in the air and ever be with him.
The signs are all around. Everyone should be preparing for the last trump.
Proverbs says when a man sees evil ahead he hideth himself. The fool goes on and is punished. And the darkness covering the kingdom of the beast and all these false doctrines are evil indeed.
Better to be hidden in Christ than rebellious and damned.
---Frank on 9/24/10


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//they would still need to lean toward God no matter with or without the holyspirit!//

and if they leaned to the True God, hopefully then, they would realize that there is a separate entity known as the Holy Spirit and not minimize the Spirit of God as an impersonal force.

(there is no need to debate this. i've seen both sides.)
---aka on 9/24/10


--Elder :

Brother, Not "IF" but "When"..... and when the Holy Spirit does leave this earth, "Real" Born Again fokes will leave with God's Holy Spirit since we're Sealed with His Holy Spirit as the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession of Salvation through our Lord & Savior Christ Jesus !!!

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T. on 9/24/10


"Since the gifts and calling of God are WITHOUT repentance, why are you engaging in such fruitless speculation?"
---Cluny on 9/23/10
The question is to simply see how much folks know about what IS going to happen. You have shown by your question that you don't know.
---Elder on 9/23/10


The possibility exists that the earth may experience severe trauma or man made catastrophe.This could create a need for immediate evacuation of all human life prior to a total catastrophe or a man made tool capable of self extermination.
If so,after evacuation all lower life left is doomed to extinction.
The moon,s distance from earth is a good example.It currently appears to be moving away. What will happen to the climate when the moon begins to return to orbit closer and closer toward earth?What will happen if the moon is pulled into the earth by gravity,the moon being the smaller sphere?And then what is next?Also check this out.PS.104.30
---earl on 9/23/10


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they would still need to lean toward God no matter with or without the holyspirit!
---candice on 9/23/10


1st, this would NEVER happen, because God would NOT leave us without a helper and teacher, which the Holy Spirit is. 2nd, if this did happen, we would have to rely on the Bible for help. Although relying on the Bible is what we MUST be doing now in order not to be decieved - the Holy Spirit will ALWAYS line up with the Bible, or it is a demonic spirit, NOT Holy Spirit.
---Leslie on 9/23/10


Since the gifts and calling of God are WITHOUT repentance, why are you engaging in such fruitless speculation?
---Cluny on 9/23/10


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