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Truth Shall Make You Free

John 8:32,"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." What in your opinion is this verse referring too?

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Christ's birth was the 2nd hour of night, between 7 and 8 o'clock Mediterranean time, on December 25th, 5 B.C.: Zacharias performs the priests duty of atonement in the 7th month at evening (October 9- Lev.16:29-34+ 23:26-32). Six months later Elizabeth in her 6th month of pregnancy, when Mary conceives (from October, 6 months is March- Lk.1:26,27,36). Count 9 months for Marys pregnancy: 1 is end of March to beginning of April + 2 is May + up to 9 is December. Now set your heart from this day and upward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth, from the day that the foundation of Yhwhs temple was laid, set your heart: from this day will I bless. And she birthed the son of her, the first-born, and quilt-strapped him. Heg.2:18,19 + Lk.2:7,10,11.
---Eloy on 11/6/10


We don't know the exact day of Christ's birth. Most people don't know that Dec 25th was a pagan holiday nor do they care.
If we only knew the days of all the non-Christian religious celebrations, we could probably not FIND a day "pure" enough for the celebration of Christmas.

The point is: WE are not PAGANS. WE are FREE from the bondages of Paganism. Why should WE let an ungodly religion dictate when WE can or cannot celebrate of the birth of our Savior?

And don't try to tell me Jesus cares, either.
He never told us to celebrate any day. Nor did He tell us not to. "Christmas" is a holiday set for and by CHRISTIANS, (And Christ is not a child who insists we get His birthday just right!)
---Donna66 on 11/5/10


The fabricated term "Mithra-mas" is an obvious lie from one who has dissed the name "Christmas" by butchering it
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interesting although fabrication is subjective

seeing rcc gave christendom its xmas through religious deception

AGAIN with all the LIES surrounding pagan xmas that rcc waived her "christianity wand making it "holy day" how can so-called christians continue to cling to babylon days that do not TRUTHFULLY represent Holy Scripture?

pagan day of xmas is a LIE why not BELIEVE Gods Holy Word and set yourself free from Satans bondage of lies ...Satan is the father of lies you know
---Rhonda on 11/5/10


David ... "You believe the direct association of the most sacred of pagan HolyDays with Christ is not forbidden"

Do I? Who says?

It is YOU who makes the "direct association", not me. It is YOU who calls Mithras Day "holy"

If we celebrate the birth of Christ on what you say was once Mithras Day, so what? YOU may find a difficulty there. But why? for since Mithras does not exist, Mithras Day means nothing.

It is YOU who is giving power to Mithras ... it is YOU who is glorifying Mithras. Or at least you fear him, this imaginary Mithras. I don't because he does not exist.

It YOU who is in thrall to Mithras
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/5/10


Constantine did not found the Roman Catholic Church.

It didn't exist at all until 1054, when it split away from the original Orthodox Church.
---Cluny on 11/5/10




personally, i try to celebrate (praise) the Jesus Christ's advent, arrival,life, ministry, death, and Resurrection every day in some kind of way despite myself.

However, if I disagree with the celebration altogether, should I insist on working that day even though my employer gives me that day off to serve pagan traditions? Am I wrong to be spending the money that I get for not working that day? Shouldn't I return any bonuses that come from pagan tradition?

(bless you, Rod4Him.)
---aka on 11/5/10


Rhonda ... What is this "xmas" you keep on spouting about?
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enlighten me where is christ-mass christe-mass christmas popular christendom religious deception keeps spouting about in Holy Scripture? per God anything done against His instruction are an abomination to HIM

If Christianity chooses to celebrate pagan day of sungod on 12/25 I do not judge you for choosing to reject The Father in Heaven and embrace lying men

sungods day is antichrist to my Lord and Savior Biblical Christ as a Christian who does not HONOR MOTHER rcc Rev 17 I choose to honor and obey Christ in truth and spirit NOT traditions of men he warned me and His TRUE followers about

again HONESTLY where is the TRUTH in sungods day?
---Rhonda on 11/5/10


December 25th is the most sacred of all pagan holy-days.

Mithra (the 'Divinity of the Sun') was (is) a principle deity of the Zoroastrian religion, whose birth was celebrated on December 25th.

During the 1st Century before Christ, Roman Emperors embraced Mithraism. The worship of Mithra was first recognized by Emperor Aurelian and he instituted the cult of "Sol Invictus" or the Invincible Sun- the Roman Saturnalia, celebrating the rebirth of the Sun on December 25th.

This enabled Emperor Constantine (founder of RCC) to merge the cult of Mithra with that of his newly emerging religious cult- Christendom, whose priests and vicars continue to this day promoting & encouraging the pagan festival on December 25th.
---David8318 on 11/5/10


Alan of UK, you are clearly defending the practice of paganism in your comments here.

What is worse I believe in your case is that not only do you know the pagan December 25th celebration cloaked as 'Christian' to be wrong, but you do nothing to condemn it but rather condone its use as Jesus' birth date.

'The Bible does not instruct us to celebrate Christ's birth, either on 25th December, or at any other time... Neither does it forbid any of these things.' (Alan- 11/2/10) You believe the direct association of the most sacred of pagan HolyDays with Christ is not forbidden.

'Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.' James 4:17.
---David8318 on 11/5/10


I personally and publicly apologize for not always walking in love on these blogs and for putting a stumblingblock before anyone. So often it is hard to communicate the passion and zeal for God and humanity we have writing on a forum. Though is it easier to say some things in writing, it is harder to communicate the heart behind the writing that would easily be expressed in person....or if any of us really knew each other beyond the words. Paul made a statement once declaring he had a desire to go on a be with the Lord but would remain for the growth of the church. In this I learned that if my presence is more needful than my absence, then stay. If not, then go. I will be convinced either way.
---Linda on 11/5/10




David, here is why it makes you an athiest, because you are not my brother in Christ. If you are not my brother in Christ you are athiest. For all who are baptised into One body by the Holy Spirit are brothers and sisters in Christ. But you don't want to be a part of that body, because we disagree with you. I do not force someone to be my brother in Christ, he has to be made my brother by the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 11/5/10


MarkV, I do not regard you as one of Christ's brothers, neither do I regard you as a 'brother in Christ'. Just because I do not view you as a 'brother in Christ', how does that make me an atheist? Who are you, what authority do you represent to make such a 'holier than thou' claim?
---David8318 on 11/5/10

David,
He has no authority. He listens to no authority in scripture. He does cause many divisions here. Desiring to be a teacher, he has yet to pass the college of the prophets. He hears not the prophets so does not understand the apostles who quoted them. And Our Lord who fulfilled every thing they stated. Dust your feet, you will have clean feet for the trouble. His scriptural de-struction is of his own making.
---Trav on 11/5/10


MarkV, I do not regard you as one of Christ's brothers, neither do I regard you as a 'brother in Christ'. Just because I do not view you as a 'brother in Christ', how does that make me an atheist? Who are you, what authority do you represent to make such a 'holier than thou' claim?

We have diametrically opposed views of Christ because not only do I believe you have been grossly misled into Neo-Platonist trinitarianism but you defend what are clear pagan festivals as important Christian events. You are not a representative of Christ.

I celebrate Christ's birth, but not by using pagan festivals. I may have a log in my eye, but it's not a pagan one! But I'm sure there'll be pagan Yuletide Log in the eyes of many on this thread.
---David8318 on 11/5/10


I proudly view MarkV, micha, JackB, aka, mima, char, alan, Cluny and others as brothers in Christ. I only listed some of the recent contributors in this particular blog. There are others here. I don't care when or if they celebrate the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ or on which day. They have stated their belief/trust in Christ.
---Rod4Him on 11/5/10


The fabricated term "Mithra-mas" is an obvious lie from one who has dissed the name "Christmas" by butchering it, and splicing the end of the word Christmas "-mas" and sinuously attaching this onto a pagan idol called "mithra". One of the oldest lies of the nonChristian is the lie that Christians take pagan holidays and convert them to Christian holy days, when in truth it is the other way around, where pagan's take real Christian holy days and use them for their pagan days, and not vice versa. The truth is that Christmas was started on December 25, 5 B.C. when Christ's birth on earth was celebrated by the magi, and Christ-mas has zero to do with mythra nor pagans nor santy clause nor reindeers nor elves.
---Eloy on 11/5/10


David, I'm sorry you do not want to even be my brother in Christ. I would have hoped that your bias beliefs were just for the holidays. But you take one subject and make a claim we are not your brothers. Ok. I will treat you as an athiest, and that all your talk is false and against God. If that is what you want.
Why didn't you just say that from the beginning? All the talk about the commandments and obeying God were just empty words. Every subject you speak of is put under that category. You judge us as if there is not a log in your eye. So be it.
---Mark_V. on 11/5/10


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MarkV (Micha9344 & Rod4Him)- I do not view anyone in terms of Romans 14:4-3 who is directly involved with paganism in the form of the December 25th Mithra-mas (Christmas) festival or pagan Easter, as a 'brother'.

'But why dost thou judge thy brother?' so shouts the paganised Christian. Well excuse me, but if you are involved with paganism (ie. Mithra-mas, so called Christmas), then you're no brother of mine!

Jesus said that his disciples would be 'in the world... but no part of it'- Jo.17:11,15,16. True Christians are in a pagan world with days of the week and months named after pagan deities etc., but they are 'no part of it'. It has no effect on them as paganised 'Christmas' and Easter festivals have no relevance either.
---David8318 on 11/5/10


JackB, yes, God plainly speaks, and then the devil and spirit of anti-God says, "Did God say?" The actual date of Christ's birth is recorded in Heggai chapter 2 and Luke chapter 1. And in the 4th century A.D. Cyril, a bishop of Jerusalem, went to Rome and obtained the actual date from the chronicled records. In my lifetime many falsehoods have burst forth against the accepted and proven gospel, like: there was a big bang, man evolved from apes, earth is billions of years old, the flood was only in a local city, Moses parted a reed sea which was only a few inches that pharoah's armies drowned in, Jesus only swooned and did not die, Christmas was not December 25 but in the springtime- all lies fabricated to lead astray and destroy.
---Eloy on 11/4/10


//We could celebrate the birth of CHrist on July 20th and someone out there would dig up a pagan activity on that very day to condemn us yet again.//

Great point, JackB...same idea I thought about.
---Rod4Him on 11/4/10


I'm not sure how misguided rants over the celebration of Christ's (Joshua of Nazereth's) birth is anywhere found in our blog question, but to answer the inquiry concerning knowing the truth, the answer is

Yeshua (Christ)
---larry on 11/4/10


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Micha's reply from Romans 14:4-13, is so clear that no one should be blaming another brother. What we are told also in Scripture is that we should follow our conscious. It is sin to go against Conscious, even when the conscious is wrong. What might be sin to one, might not be sin to another. But all are One body in Christ if they are in Christ. If they are they are free indeed.
What we see here is that David and Rhonda's conscious are unhappy that others celebrate Christmas and looks for anything they can find to bring condemnation to those who do celebrate the birth of Christ. They are not worshipping Christ but celebrating His coming. And wants everyone to have the same conscious of sin they have.
---Mark_V. on 11/4/10


I believe 8:32 is speaking of the freedom we have in Christ. Many see Christ as a policeman, someone who is always trying to catch us but I do not believe this to be true God has paid our sin debt and offers us complete forgiveness. When we accept that forgiveness in Christ Christ himself places the Holy Spirit within us and seals us until the day of the Lord. Which speaks to the time Christ comes again to set up his millennial kingdom on earth. One of the joys of Christianity is basking and resting in the knowledge that the Lord Jesus Christ is guiding your steps. To believe he is incapable of guiding your steps is to be foolish.
---mima on 11/4/10


alan, i would read carefully char's and micha's replies. you, firsthand, know that English and American are two different languages. the Biblical Christ and Jesus Christ of the Bible are not the same.
---aka on 11/3/10


//Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord, and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]...But why dost thou judge thy brother?...for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.
---Thanks micha, perfect
---Rod4Him on 11/4/10


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---micha9344 on 11/3/10



---another BIG AMEN to ALL of it!
---char on 11/4/10


We could celebrate the birth of CHrist on July 20th and someone out there would dig up a pagan activity on that very day to condemn us yet again.

Honestly 365 days..... what are the chances we are gonna find one that ISNT already taken by some pagan god?

Do you really think it matter to God what day we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? Or is it more important to him that we actually love Jesus enough to do it?

This is what happens to people who try to live by the law for righteousness. Their guilt wont allow them peace and therefore they wont allow peace to be passed to any CHristian who lives by faith and not in the law.

They are doing the work of the accuser of the brethern and dont even know it.
---JackB on 11/4/10


Rhonda ... What is this "xmas" you keep on spouting about?

"lie of 3 magi it was 3 gifts" So Matthew lied?

And as for following tradition ... where did YOU pick up the those man-made distorted interpretations of those Cor & Rev passages?

As I said before to David ... you impertinently tell us what we are doing. We celebrate Christ ... everything about HIM, ... not the pagan lies YOU spout. They are YOUR lies not mine.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/4/10


\\HONESTLY where is "truth" about pagan xmas?\\

Rhonda, if you think you're bashing the celebration of the Holy Nativity according to the Flesh of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, you should know that the "X" in the abbreviation is for XPICTOC, the Greek word shence we get "Christ" in English.
---Cluny on 11/4/10


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ironies of religious deception selling pagan lies about xmas Rev 21:8, 22:14

HONESTLY where is "truth" about pagan xmas?

if TRUTH sets one free why serve LIES and defend them with illogical reasoning then calling those who SHINE light on actual truth liars?

xmas day not birth of Christ
xmas day not nicest time of year
xmas lie of 3 magi it was 3 gifts
Wise men did not visit babe in manger & Shepherds not with flocks in fields by night in winter
xmas tree Babylon custom
xmas santa lie as fantasy for child - STILL a lie

xmas LIE adopted from pagans by rcc 1038AD per catholic encyclopedia Cristes Maesse - Mass of Christ
---Rhonda on 11/3/10


Now when I celebrate Christ's birth, whenever I do it, and I do it daily, it is not a pagan celebration. BY definition, it cannot be!
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every day you celebrate another "christs" birth 2Corin 11:4 ...what many fail to comprehend is Apostles BY DEFINITION told True Christians that anything we do that was not given by them or Biblical Christ we are no longer following Biblical Christ ...one must REJECT Christ when He stated to not follow mens traditions

only massive deception by religious lies would one choose to ultimately forsake all that Biblical Christ did by honoring His birth like pagan traditions do for their gods

Biblical Christ is LIVING today ...Christ told us to honor His death NOT His physical life
---Rhonda on 11/3/10


David ... I don't know what word to apply yo your outrageous responses ... impertinent is not strong enough.

WE have already established that the absence of an instruction does not amount to a prohibition. If it were so, I would ask you how you dare go into a swimming pool.

You say "You said previously the Bible condemns pagan celebrations (10/19/10). Which pagan celebrations did you have in mind?" I have no particular p/cs in mind, because they are all forbidden.

Now when I celebrate Christ's birth, whenever I do it, and I do it daily, it is not a pagan celebration. BY definition, it cannot be!
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/3/10


Alan of UK, you ask- 'What on earth gave you that idea ?'

By your own admission that 'The Bible does not instruct us to celebrate Christ's birth, either on 25th December, or at any other time.' (11/2/10)

Thus you follow the word of men who teach December 25th as a Christian HolyDay, not the HolySpirit inspired instructions of the Bible which says nothing of the birth date of the Christ or any command to celebrate it. Are you so misguided that you do not know where December 25th comes from? Do you believe December 25th has just been plucked out of the air by your religious leaders?

You said previously the Bible condemns pagan celebrations (10/19/10). Which pagan celebrations did you have in mind?
---David8318 on 11/3/10


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Samuel, I do not consider the effect that false religion has on people to be 'an unimportant issue', as you put it (11/3/10).

What is more important than the truth?

Jesus thought the truth was important otherwise he wouldn't have said what he said at John 8:32.

Is Christ's birth to be celebrated using 'Christmas' and December 25th or not? What are the origins of 'Christmas' and December 25th?

I am simply highlighting the clear pagan origins of the Mithra-mas (Christmas) festival on the sacred pagan date of December 25th and warning that it is false religion, masquerading as a 'Christian' HolyDay from which people can be 'set free'.
---David8318 on 11/3/10


Rom 14:4-13 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord, and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]...But why dost thou judge thy brother?...for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.
---micha9344 on 11/3/10


David ... You do use a cheap way of trying to win an argument. You try to debase what I have said by using the word "admit" as if I was on trial before my peers

I have "admitted" nothing.

And you try to deceive ... if you had read my various posts over the years, you would know that I have not defended 25th december as the birth date, and I have specifically said here thaT Jesus was not born on 25th December. I have also told you that the Bible does not command us to celebrate His birth.

And it really is absurd to say that I "celebrate Christ's birth and resurrection using paganism" It's worse than absurd ... it is libellous
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/3/10


//And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free//

I think its about how we live our lives trapped in a vicious cycle of sin and guilt believing that our Creator wants us to suffer condemnation for our sins.

Then we hear the gospel of Jesus Christ and know that He still loves us indeed. Enough to lay down his own life for us.

So we can now turn back to him seeking forgiveness and power to be what He created us to be. Men created in his image and after his likeness. Pure love
---JackB on 11/3/10


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Alan & Samuel continue to highlight their problem. They are fixated with days and dates. The worship of True Christians is not bound to days and dates, whatever name a day is given. (Gal.4:10) In that respect, True Christians are free of paganism. The only date True Christians observe is that commanded by Christ at Luke 22:19.

So regardless of what name any day or month is called, because True Christians worship every day, it is irrelevant what that day is called. 'Saturday' may well come from pagan origins, but I do not use 'Saturn' on a Saturday to worship God or His Son. However, some on this site erroneously use the pagan 25th December Mithra-mas festival to 'worship' Christ, mistakenly believing it's his birth date. (Mt.4:10)
---David8318 on 11/3/10


I think it is important to know the history and dates-however-Seeking truth should be in a humbled state-Knowing it is God who gives wisdom-If you believe you have it-know it is God given-humble one to another.
Praise Him for His Mercy and grace.Seek the truth on the dates-however-be thankful that you can while you still have breath.
Because of the death and Resurrection and the peace it brings from repentance to remission we are humbled-one to another.
Ex12:7,Jn17:22-23.
Praise God for the comfort repentance to remission brings.
One and the same a yoke that works together.

---char on 11/3/10


David-
Is this true or am I mistaken?
---char on 11/2/10

I take your silence as a Yes.

And if so, If you don't believe it was Jesus Christ who resurrected,but Michael the Archangel who had taken the place-instead-why would the date be important to you?
Again-I may be mistaken on what you believe-not sure.Your silence speaks otherwise.
---char on 11/3/10


Samuel You are so right ... those who worship on saturday are worshiping on a day with a manmade pagan neme.
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/3/10


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Alan, I also celebrate the Birth, death and resurrection of Christ. His death on a specific date as commanded by Christ- Luke 22:19.

What I don't do as many have been told or influenced to do is to celebrate Christ's birth and resurrection using paganism. Sorry, but ignorance is no defence. You already admit the Bible does not contain the date 25th December nor the command to celebrate Christ's birth. So those who do use 25th Dec. as a specific celebration for Christ's Birth are not guided by the HolySpirit inspired writings of the Bible, but by man and manmade pagan festivals.

From your comments on this site, it appears you are defending 25th Dec. as the Birth date of Christ and defending the celebrating of it on that date.
---David8318 on 11/3/10


In the days of JESUS some Phairsees were told they strain gnats and swallow camels.

Fighting about and putting others down for celebrating Christmas is such an issue. JESUS said Christians will be know by their love. To put others down for an unimportant issue is not loving others. It is lifting up yourself at the expense of others by putting them down.

The names of the days of the week are pagan. Should we quit using them and go back to the Hebrew first day from Sabbath etc.?
---Samuel on 11/3/10


//You however choose to use what are clearly and blatantly sacred pagan holy-days to worship God's Son on what you have been told are his birth and resurrection.//

David, don't jump to condemning someone without the facts. You don't know what I do or don't do in this regard. I never said. How people worship God is their business. Virtually everyday of the year commemorates some pagan happening.

//The abuse of this Scripture has caused more divisions in teh Body of Christ, claiming to be the only ones who have a handle on the truth ....like Calvinism, RCCism, JWism etc.//

Exactly, kathr. The issue is and has always been one's heart with God.
---Rod4Him on 11/3/10


David, it is not an admission in any way. You make the accusation as if I am breaking what the Bible says.

You use the computer. You will admit that you do use the computer without Biblical authority. If God wanted you to use them, He would have given you some instruction in the Bible to allow it.

You accuse me ... "Alan is not guided by God's word the Bible, nor by HolySpirit, but by men who told Alan to celebrate manmade pagan festivals which began long before Alan ever came on the scene, and which have nothing to do with Christ"

What on earth gave you that idea ? ... I do NOT celebrate manmade pagan festivals ... I celebrate the birth of Christ, and His death and resurrection. .
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/3/10


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Alan of UK states- 'The Bible does not instruct us to celebrate Christ's birth, either on 25th December, or at any other time.' (11/2/10)

So by his own admission, Alan is not guided by God's word the Bible, nor by HolySpirit, but by men who told Alan to celebrate manmade pagan festivals which began long before Alan ever came on the scene, and which have nothing to do with Christ.

Alan also states- 'I think you will find that the Bible does command Christians not to celebrate any non-Christian and/or pagan holiday/festival.' (10/19/10). I wonder just which pagan festivals Alan is thinking of!?
---David8318 on 11/3/10


Mima, contexted, Jesus already said whom he was referring to: "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you all abide in my word, you all are my disciples indeed. And you all will know the truth, and the truth will make you free. Truly, truly, I say to you, Whosoever commits sin is the slave of sin. And the slave abides not in the house forever, the Son abides forever. If the Son therefore will make you free, you all will be free indeed." Jn.8:31,32,34-36.
---Eloy on 11/3/10


Jesus is the TRUTH that will set you free.
Jesus is the LIFE that will set you free.
Jesus is the WAY that will set you free.

Is this "truth" dogmatic truth, right orthodoxy, abstract truth, an understanding of intellectual knowledge of facts recorded in the Bible? Is there POWER in any of those?? NO!!!


The abuse of this Scripture has caused more divisions in teh Body of Christ, claiming to be the only ones who have a handle on the truth ....like Calvinism, RCCism, JWism etc.

Only the PERSON of Christ in you has the power through you to set you free not just from sin, but false teachers until He comes!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/3/10


Alan, you state- 'The Bible does not instruct us to celebrate Christ's birth, either on 25th December, or at any other time.

Nor does it instruct you to use a computer, or to fly an aeroplane.'

So when did you start to use the computer and the aeroplane to worship Christ? Do you use these things as a form of worship? Were they invented on pagan dates? What is your argument?

Yes, you are correct- the Bible does not instruct me to use a computer or aeroplane. But I do not use these things as a form of worship, neither do I use them to commemorate, remember or celebrate Christ in the way you do with pagan Mithra-mas and Easter.
---David8318 on 11/3/10


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Alan,Rod,Mark- I don't use an aeroplane, a computer, the names of the days of the week or month as a way to worship God's Son in the form of his birth or resurrection. (Mt.4:10) You however choose to use what are clearly and blatantly sacred pagan holy-days to worship God's Son on what you have been told are his birth and resurrection.

Many who choose not to celebrate these events because of their clear pagan origins are ridiculed and accused of not being Christian. Much more serious are those falsely promoting Mithra-mas (Christmas) and Easter as 'Christian' mislead many into pagan worship. (Mt.15:14)

Pagan Mithra-mas and Easter are satanic tools used as a distraction from the real celebration Christ commanded- Luke 22:19.
---David8318 on 11/3/10


alan is correct. There are many things we do that the Bible does not speak for or against.

The days of the week are named after Greek gods. By the reasoning of not remembering Jesus' birth because of the relationship to a pagan holiday, one should not refer to Sunday, Monday, etc, otherwise one is honoring pagan gods. Christman means whatever it means to the person remembering it.

The same is true for the names of most the months of the year. Using a "pagan" name for a month must be honoring pagan gods.

Those who are "against the Law" seem to do the same thing and make up their own laws for people to follow.
---Rod4Him on 11/3/10


David, there is no date in the Bible for celebrating Holy Days, as Christmas and other holidays. But there is no Scripture to forbide not to either. And since we are free in Christ, why is it such a big deal to you? Do you follow the pagan dates? If you do then I could see why you would be against it. But I assume you don't so why would it matter to you what date they came on? I would think the only ones who would mind would be those that want no one to use those dates for Christ. In fact it was a good idea to have the children of God celebrate Christ on those dates to stop the days from belonging to the pagan's. Of course I am against people making any likeness of Christ or any image for it would go against the Second Commandment.
---Mark_V. on 11/3/10


The Bible does not instruct us to celebrate Christ's birth, either on 25th December, or at any other time
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Amen

Apostles and Christ never instructed TRUE followers of Christ to honor his birth - clearly men did simply following pagan tradition which God HATES and Christ warned us to not follow

Truth sets one free from bondage of bonding with Satans world 2Corin 4:4 its systems and traditions - to be in world yet separate from pagan babylon

how foolish besides ...mangers with "baby Jesus" (another Jesus 2corin 11:4) perpetually a helpless baby ...when Biblical Christ LIVES and LEADS His church in Truth and Spirit ...at right hand of Father in Heaven our High Priest
---Rhonda on 11/2/10


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David ... You are a bit like the guy who asked his friend if he had stopped beating his wife, answer yes or no.

You asked me "You should ask yourself why would scripture instruct us to commemorate Jesus' birth and resurrection using pagan holidays?"

What a dishonest question, it cannot be answered, Because the Bible does not give that commandment, so the is no question asking why it should do so.

The Bible does not instruct us to celebrate Christ's birth, either on 25th December, or at any other time.

Nor does it instruct you to use a computer, or to fly an aeroplane.

Neither does it forbid any of these things.

We are free to celebrate His coming and His whole life, every day of the year.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/2/10


///Does that mean it's okay to use what are clearly pagan dates and festivals to celebrate Christ's birth and resurrection?David8318 on 10/19/10///

I may be misunderstanding.

David,
Are you Jehovah witness? I was under the impression you where. I was taught Jehovahs Witnesses believe that Jesus is also known in the Bible as the Archangel, Michael and the Word, of John 1:1 and after his death, Jesus appeared to his disciples and convinced them of his resurrection,but he was actually Micheal.
Not Immanuel God with us at stated in Matt1:10-25

Is this true or am I mistaken?
---char on 11/2/10


When I was a child, my mother would set a table before me.
Everything a young boy needs to make him strong and wise.
But like most kids, we look at the things on the table. Before, we start eating!
As if to say, maybe she put something on my table, I dont like!
And after enough pouting, she says ok, dont eat it!

The lord table is not so!
You will have to eat, everything you see before you!

Yes, I know! What, am I trying to say?
Well, only one thing!
Either you will or you wont eat!

I can only hope youre very hungry.
Bon apptit!

When did I stop being so picky!
Sometime after I understood what stop mean!
God Bless
---TheSeg on 10/19/10


Mankind who are born into this world, is a slave to Satan and the world - as Paul declares in Ephesians 2:1,

"...who were dead in trespasses and sins, Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

ONLY God through Jesus Christ can set you free from this bondage that you may worship Him in Spirit and in Truth! In other words, no man but Christ can set him free from this slavery.
---christan on 10/19/10


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Alan- you still haven't answered my question! You wrongly accuse me of not answering when you hypocritically refuse to answer mine.

Yes there is no Bible command saying we shouldn't celebrate Christ's birth or resurrection. Does that mean it's okay to use what are clearly pagan dates and festivals to celebrate Christ's birth and resurrection?

Christ's birth and resurrection should be celebrated and held holy everyday in everything we do and say. You chose to use paganism in your celebrations- that's your decision. But again, don't kid yourself into thinking they are God ordained dates.

Unlike Christ's birth and resurrection, there is a clear command to celebrate Christ's death on a specific date and time. Luke 22:19.
---David8318 on 10/19/10


David "The Bible does not command Christians not to celebrate any non-Christian and/or pagan holiday/festival"

I think you will find that the Bible does command Christians not to celebrate any non-Christian and/or pagan holiday/festival.

However, it does not command us not to celebrate Christ's birth, death and resurrection.

---alan8566_of_uk on 10/19/10


Recently while speaking to a pastor I made the statement that I was not very interested in sin. At which time he immediately said o you are a evangelist.
Be that as it may I said, salvation is first and foremost of importance. One of best ways to cut down on sin is to introduce someone to God. After a little pause he said I totally agree.
---mima on 10/19/10


I have answered your question Alan. But the fact is, you never answered my original question!

Here, I'll reprint mine for you- 'where does the Bible command Christians to celebrate Jesus' birth and/or resurrection?'

Despite what you think, I answered your question with logic you are unable to refute. Why would the Bible encourage followers of Christ to celebrate his birth and resurrection using pagan dates, festivals and celebrations?

The Bible does not command Christians not to celebrate any non-Christian and/or pagan holiday/festival. True Christians have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish what is right and wrong, what is pagan and what is true. The truth sets us free from paganism. Jo.8:32, Heb.5:14.
---David8318 on 10/19/10


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David ... Why did yuo not answer my question? You knew what it was, and even quoted it!
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/19/10


Alan of uk- you asked me on another thread to 'Please point to the scripture that says we are not to celebrate them?' (Christmas and Easter)

You should ask yourself why would scripture instruct us to commemorate Jesus' birth and resurrection using pagan holidays?

The Bible doesn't command us not to celebrate Ramadan, Mawlid al-Nabi, Diwali, Pancha Ganapati (a Hindu, winter solstice celebration on Dec.21-25), or the pagan Easter or Mithra-mas (you call it 'Christmas'). True Christians have their 'perceptive powers trained' to distinguish which activity is right and wrong- setting them free from pagan celebrations. Jo.8:32, He.5:14.
---David8318 on 10/18/10


Josef, great references you gave to everyone. The Lord is that Spirit that makes a sinner free. He has brought us liberty.
---MarkV. on 10/7/10


there is only ONE truth - not many as claimed by the thousands of brands of christianity today each claiming they can all agree to disagree - Christ was not divided

ONLY The Father in Heaven calls to HIS ONE TRUTH

knowing HIS Truth sets people free from the lies and divisions within mainstream christianity - the religion(s) ABOUT a Biblical Christ

FREE from the lies and chaos created by Satan the god of this world - truly allowing one to live a life within yet seperate from the world - free from Satans bondage
---Rhonda on 10/5/10


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The only freedom that the bible offers is freedom from sin.

To know the truth, that Jesus is the son of God, the redeemer, the Messiah, the lamb, of God, and believe that truth at act accoridngly is to be free of sin.

Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
---francis on 10/4/10


Freedom(liberty) in Christ might well be understood to be free from all works, sacraments, and denominational regulations in order to belong to the Lord Jesus Christ.

New Testament Christianity offers only baptism and communion as stipulations for a closer walk with the Lord. Neither however is a absolute requirement for salvation. One is done as an identifying act. The other is done in remembrance of the Lord Jesus Christ and what he has done.
---mima on 10/4/10


Scriptural references for my prior post.
" I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever. the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him, but you [My disciples] know Him, for He dwells with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Jhn 14:16-18
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free," Jhn 8:36>2Cr 3:17>Gal 5:1
---josef on 10/2/10


Jesus is the truth, it is He who sets us free.
---christina on 10/2/10


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Mima, v. 30 tells us that He was speaking to Jews and they in turn believed in Jesus witness, v. 31
"Then Jesus said to those Jews who believe in Him. If you abide in My word, you are my disciples indeed." Jesus was speaking to Jews that had now believed in Christ. Now that they believed, the second thing they had to do was, to abide in His Word they would be His disciples. Two things had to happen, believe His witness, and abide in His word. verse 32'"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" By abiding in His word they would be set free from slavery of sin v. 34.
---MarkV. on 10/2/10


It makes us free from our spiritual enemies-[satan-demons].[2] Makes us free from prejudices, does not mean that we don't speak out against an issue which is not right, mistakes, and false notions. [3] free from dominion of lust and passion--sexual and otherwise. [4] free to know right from wrong, God's way...The mind: by admitting the truth of Christ is vastly enlarged, and has scope and compass given it and never acts with so true liberty as when it acts under a divine command. The carnal Jews didn't like this [pride, envy].....Those of you you believes that you have it altogether, you don't. If you did, you would not be headed for HELL, my friends....A healthy mind is well connected to a healthy spirit. Hallelujah thank You Jesus+
---catherine on 10/2/10


we go thru this life worrying about what we will eat,what we will wear,jesus told his disciples not to worry about these things that God knows we need them.the truth is we are fallen sinful creatures,whos nature is satisfying the lusts,the desires,the so called needs of the flesh,this is a truth,but the real truth is spiritual,it is being born again of the spirit and being a disciple of jesus christ,the real truth is accepting jesus for who he is and what he did,believing in him and living the life as he described we should.THAT IS THE TRUTH.
---tom2 on 10/2/10


replace the word 'truth' with the Word, Jesus, and the sentence reads the same.
---aka on 10/2/10


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word of god is the truth that set us free then why did malachi 3:10 & giving tithe put me in bondage.

I believed put my trust on this verse if I give my 10% I will be successful, rich & prosperous.but it did not.

I heard last week from gordon robertson of 0700 said that god wants you to be prosperous 'like your soul prosper'
then there were examples of prosperous people bec. they gave their tithe.

when i research in the bible working hard, sharpening your skill & having the mentality of a farmer who works his land & resulted in abundant food gave freedom

pastors & televangelist are lazy who give you THEIR interpretation of the bible for their own gain.
---mike on 10/1/10


truth,the truth jesus spoke about is of the kingdom,of God,the freedom is being set free from the bondage of sin in our lives.If you read further in john thru john 8-32-36 jesus speaks specifically about being set free from sin thru the truth of himself.
---tom2 on 10/1/10


Jesus said in John Chapter 17, Thy Word is Truth.

Jesus also said, "I am the way, THE TRUTH, and NO ONE comes to the Father but by me."

Jesus was the word and the word was with God from the beginning....

So you shall know the Word of God, the truth and it shall make and set you free.

Jesus is the word become flesh and dwelt amoung us.
---Donna5535 on 10/1/10


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