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How To Explain Creationism

How to explain creation to people who do NOT believe in the Bible - what reasons can we give that evolution is not a good idea?

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James: Glad you brought it up! C14 is indeed GREAT evidence - but not for evolution. Classical C14 measurement is indeed highly innacurate, with a broad statistical peak and tends to greater innacuracy with sample age. That is because it uses a simple geiger count method for determining the proportion of C14. Accelerator Mass Spectrometer measurements of C14 in fossils, on the other hand, is highly accurate, and gives a narrow statistical peak of ALL fossil ages at about 4,500 years BP - exactly in accordance with the biblical flood of Noah!

Thus, the "evidence" claimed FOR evolution is in reality evidence AGAINST it.
---jerry6593 on 11/6/10


jerry6593: While I think this 'evidence' is not valid, there is some so-called 'evidence' in terms of carbon dating (unreliable, but many people believe it) and fossils.

---James on 11/6/10


When I was lost I use to wonder that, when we die, if all we did was to go into the ground and that would be the end of it. This is it all there is to it, right here in this world. It didn't set right with me then, it didn't set right with me at all. Thank God there is a heaven for His saints, and HELL for the wicked. You won't, You will not, just go into the ground and that's it. You do EVIL you are gonna pay. So many people are living as though there is no God, as if there is no hell. Hallelujah. AhhJesus Ahh.
---catherine on 11/5/10


Jerry: I have little idea of any evidence that Atheist claims.

I only say that IF you believe anything, it is always POSSIBLE to find evidence

We just must be careful when we ask for evidence, to be sure it is evidence on the 'wavelength' we can accept

If we really WANT evidence for evolution, we can always find it - the same applies to creation

The important part is to agree on the 'acceptable evidence' that this or that evidecne is acceptable!
---peter on 11/5/10


Peter: If you and the 'atheist' were correct and there are "tons of evidence" in support of Evolution, then one would think that someone could share just a tiny bit of it with us. I have been asking for just this sort of "evidence" for some time on another blog. But alas, nothing! This evidence which all the people claim exists is of the same fabric as that of "The King's New Clothes" children's story - it doesn't exist!
---jerry6593 on 11/2/10




Jerry: While I disagree with atheist, his comment is good. It is true that evidence is evience when we are open to believing it - there may be many things that we see evidence for, but reject it, for good or bad reasons.

One part of eidence is the viewer accepting that what he/she sees/reads/hears is true, and so can be beilieve - we don't believe what we see in dreams when we wake up!

So he does have a point
---Peter on 11/1/10


'atheist': "There's tons of evidence supporting just about anything if you chose to believe it."

Not so! There is NO real evidence supporting Evolution - only conjecture and fraud.
---jerry6593 on 10/30/10


Like I said, you either take God at His word or you don't. Every person must choose for themselves. God has never forced anyone to believe Him & He never will. But to answer the question posted here, study what the Bible says about creation & pray for the Holy Spirit to show the person you wish to speak to the truth as you show them what you've studied. That's all anyone can do. The rest is up to them to decide what they believe.
---Reba on 10/27/10


There's tons of evidence that God created everything if you choose to believe it.



There's tons of evidence supporting just about anything if you chose to believe it.
---atheist on 10/27/10


There's tons of evidence that God created everything if you choose to believe it. The Bible is full of facts, history to let the human race know where they came from & why they're here. It's that little, powerful word called FAITH that's makes the difference in each person. You either take God at His word & trust what He tells us or you don't. I personally feel that it's far more foolish to believe that this wonderful whole world & mankind just happened. I choose to believe that there was & is a designer who put it all together. God is real. Always has been & always will be!!!
---Reba on 10/23/10




'atheist': Glad to see you agree with me on the silliness of the evolutionary religion!
---jerry6593 on 10/23/10


Alan: Dawkins: "scientists are working on that answer, but its not God."

Not very scientific to dismiss a possible explanation out of hand.

He reminds me of the great evolutionist, Weorge Gald, who said in essence: "I know that the spontaneous generation of life is impossible, but the only alternative is a three-toad green grasshopper eating 1967 VW bug, and I can't believe in that."
---atheist on 10/22/10


Alan: Dawkins: "scientists are working on that answer, but its not God."

Not very scientific to dismiss a possible explanation out of hand.

He reminds me of the great evolutionist, George Wald, who said in essence: "I know that the spontaneous generation of life is impossible, but the only alternative is God, and I can't believe in that."
---jerry6593 on 10/22/10


"Let us make man in our own image". The first indication of the Trinity. So, larry, I choose four....God aka Jesus Christ. What a man, What a God, What a Savior, and What a friend....God said to me just the other day, "Will you quit worrying, I created the world". Oh, I forgot to mention, He is also, a great, great, wonderful, counselor. Oh, my Yes, He is. Puts all these others to absolute shame. Yes, He does. I reckon He does.
---catherine on 10/21/10


For those who do not believe in creation and supress the truth show them the 4 possibilities of their own existence.

1. the universe is an illusion

2. the universe existed before it existed in order to create itself.

3. the universe is infinite and eternal and never had a beginning, purpose or design.

4. the universe is the handiwork of an intelligent and majestic creator.

Let them ponder and choose.
---larry on 10/20/10


As I was looking out of my window one morning recently, there was a very beautiful sunrise. It was orange. I said to God, "How can anyone believe that orange ball up there just happened? You created that. It was so beautiful....I do not think that it is possible for any unbeliever to really believe that there is a Creator. Some, do not think about it, some can discuss it with you, as if they do believe, but are nonetheless lost, some flat don't believe there is a Creator of heaven and earth, some do not care.
---catherine on 10/20/10


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I heard a debate where when asked who created matter Dawkins said "scientists are working on that answer, but its not God."

It was a three-toad green grasshopper eating 1967 VW bug.

No one can prove otherwise. No one has ever tried, nor will they ever try because they know that it can't be proven to be false.
---atheist on 10/20/10


micha: Well said. Here's another relevant scripture:

Rom 1:20,22,23,25 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse: ... Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. ... Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,
---jerry6593 on 10/17/10


\\This is a little light hearted but, different types of animals cannot breed together.\\

Not true.

Mules, tiglons, ligers, and other hybrids are produced all the time.

But usually these are sterile.
******

it was stated DIFFERENT TYPES of animals ...seeing you described hybrids of equine and cat families

in other words....

a dog mating with a cat
horse mating with a tiger
panda with a mouse
vertebrates with invertebrates
etc

the simple reason is God created EACH animal after ITS kind

regardless Larrys post on 10/13/10 sums it up well
---Rhonda on 10/16/10


The only reason someone may view Gen 1 and 2 as two different accounts, not just an overview followed by more details of the days, is that they take laong age theories and apply them to the Bible and do not interpret 'yom' correctly.
Proverbs 21:11 When the scorner is punished, the simple is made wise: and when the wise is instructed, he receiveth knowledge.
Proverbs 19:20 Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.
---micha9344 on 10/16/10


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Ignatius: "Bible authors used the science of their day (based primary on ancient pagan religions) and their own writing skills to passed [sic] along Divine Theology."

You can't have it both ways. Either the Bible is of pagan (satanic) origin or it is inspired of God. Do you believe "All scripture is given by inspiration of God (2Ti 3:16)" or not? What is the compelling evidence that would cause you to believe God's enemy over His own word?
---jerry6593 on 10/15/10


Jerry

That is not what I said or meant. However, a careful student of the Bible will know that that ancient perspectives on science (which is found in the Scriptures) weren't the point of God's revelation. A careful student of the Bible can tell that Genesis 1 and 2 offer two different creation accounts, but the point is the same. A careful student of the Bible will know that the creation accounts are not scientific lessons. A careful student of the Bible will know that the Bible is not a scientific textbook and that the Bible authors used the science of their day (based primary on ancient pagan religions) and their own writing skills to passed along Divine Theology.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/14/10


Harold: The tree fossils spanning many layers seem to be a good piece of evidence, but [as one who believes in a young earth) could suggest a different idea: The trees grew in the older soil, but after they died, they were knocked over and were eventually covered by newer soil.
Someone from either side can provide plenty of arguments to imply that his/her side is correct - the proper idea would be (if either side wanted it) to remove the 'belief' side (in evolution or God) and search the evidence without it. But neither side CAN
---Marcus on 10/14/10


My father, grandfather, and great grandfather as well as many uncles worked in coal mines. They each tell of fossils of trees that went through several layers of sediment. Evolution and those holding to long periods of creation say these layers were laid down over thousands if not millions of years. For one tree to go through several of these layers means it grew that long or if it was fallen it did not rot in all that time.
which is most likely, million year old trees, the appearance of age, or a sudden flood. I'll let you decide.
---Harold on 10/14/10


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Romans 1 says they are without excuse. So keep in mind that convincing people that God exists won't make them Christians. The demons know there is 1 God and still shudder.
Prove evolution is false by proving that there is something beyond this meaningless world in the way you live, and love. Evolution still requires complex mechanisms like DNA to exist. How could life evolve into life without DNA that is alredy there. Remember that God called you to faith, not your own knowledge and wisdom. You saw the light in the Bible, not in science books.
---Casey on 10/14/10


Cluny: Why should I care about some man's opinion of the Bible. Our friend 'atheist' doesn't believe the truth of the Bible either. Jesus was OK with the Creation account of the Old Testament, as well as the universal Noachian Flood and even Jonah's "great fish" story. I'll go with His opinion if it's OK with you.

Tell me that you don't consider any of the Bible as of "pagan" origin, as does Ignatius. And just this once, could you please explain exactly what compelling evidence causes you to disbelieve the straightforward Creation account of the Bible?
---jerry6593 on 10/14/10


\\Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is

So, I should ignore the Bible and believe you??? No thanks! I'll stick with God. You border on the blasphemous when you call the Bible "pagan".\\

Did you know that William Jennings Bryan of the Scopes monkey trial didn't believe that the days of creation were six earthly 24 hour days?

None of the early Biblical commentators did, either.
---Cluny on 10/13/10


We already know that unbelief is supression of the truth and has nothing to do with evidence but let them explain how matter created itself and then organized itself all by itself before and after a a big bang that unlike every other explosion in recorded history created order over chaos.
How cells which cannot increase their own complexity (Pasteur) organized themselves into something as unique as individual DNA, evolved into an animal creating something as sophisticated as art and music.
Besides, if there is no good or evil, right or wrong how can you be wrong?
---larry on 10/13/10


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Ignats: "However, there is no support for Young Earth Creationism in the Bible, and we must ignore the Bible's ancient pagan Cosmology/physics/geology ideas"

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is

So, I should ignore the Bible and believe you??? No thanks! I'll stick with God. You border on the blasphemous when you call the Bible "pagan".

"you probably believe in a flat earth, as that what the Bible teach [sic]."

Could you please provide chapter and verse for that assertion? My Bible says"

Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth
---jerry6593 on 10/13/10


"...day one constitute a beginning?" (micha)

True, however, there is no support that the two different creation accounts (akin ancient cultural pagan creation accounts, with some differences) needs to be taken as scientific lectures. And when was day "one"? 6,000-10,000 years ago? There can't be no answer using the Bible, since God's time is NOT the same as humans.

Considering that the Bible writers used the science of their day, which was based on ancient pagan concepts of Cosmology/Geology/Physics/Biology, it is very silly to believe that the creation accounts needs to be taken as literal scientific lessons, rather than expressing fundamental truths through the science/ideology of their day.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/12/10


Wouldn't day one constitute a beginning?
Gen 1:1-5 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Quite a long time for the Earth to sit without the Sun.
Psa 33:6,9 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. For he spake, and it was [done], he commanded, and it stood fast.
---micha9344 on 10/12/10


"In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth". (period) It does not say how long ago that was. The earth is indeed millions of years old.
---Gloria on 10/12/10


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\\I heard a debate where when asked who created matter Dawkins said "scientists are working on that answer, but its not God."

Puleeze.
---larry on 10/11/10\\

Dawkins is just the other end of the same hard-headedness that I've seen some people here show.

Substitute "Biblical schoalrs are working on that answer, but it's not as a result of a physical process started by the Big Bang," and you'll see it's the same kind of answer.
---Cluny on 10/12/10


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To Ignatius, I do not need to take cosmology/physics classes. Reading and learning my Father's Word is enough!!" (Gloria)

Then why did you made a statement concerning Cosmology/Physics, if you have not study such areas of science?

"This theory postulates billions of years for the creation of heaven and earth. God said He took six days to do it." (jerry)

According to your personal interpretation of Scriptures, yes, and you probably believe in a flat earth, as that what the Bible teach. However, there is no support for Young Earth Creationism in the Bible, and we must ignore the Bible's ancient pagan Cosmology/physics/geology ideas, as the Bible is not a scientific textbook.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/12/10


Gloria: "How could anything come out of some kind of explosion and be in the shape spheres?"

The answer that secular academics will give you is "The Nebular Hypothesis Theory". This theory, wherein swirling gas clouds of matter in space eventually accrete into spherical planets has every bit as impressive a pedigree as the science fictional origin of the Big Bang Theory. The Nebular Hypothesis Theory was the brain child of Emmanuel Swendenborg, a Swedish nut case who claimed that he "received" the theory during a seance.
---jerry6593 on 10/12/10


Let them choke on their own words: Richard Dawkins says there is no evil - its just a result of DNA. Anyone with a brain larger than a peppercorn knows that is just nonsense. If there is no evil there is no good, right or wrong. Therefore you are hard wired to believe in creation and can't be wrong. Its a stupid circular argument that becomes dizzy in its own absurdity.

I heard a debate where when asked who created matter Dawkins said "scientists are working on that answer, but its not God."

Puleeze.
---larry on 10/11/10


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To Ignatius, I do not need to take cosmology/physics classes. Reading and learning my Father's Word is enough!!
---Gloria on 10/11/10


\\The theoretical constructs of "dark matter" and "inflation" are also fiction. \\

I will admit that some of this sounds like the search for phlogiston.

\\This theory postulates billions of years for the creation of heaven and earth. God said He took six days to do it. Which one do YOU believe?\\

God's time schedule and perception is NOT the same as human, as the Bible repeatedly says.
---Cluny on 10/11/10


Both Creationism and Evolution are unscientific theories. To be scientific they must be able to reproduce the event in a controlled lab situation. The Big Bang says that all matter came from a single explosion of some self existing matter. It is easier for me to believe that matter was created by God, or by an intelligence, that is self existing since matter can not create itself from nothing. May I suggest you read "I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist."
---Harold on 10/11/10


May I point out something?

Both Genesis and the Big Bang theory say there was NOTHING (in the physical universe) and then there was SOMETHING.

This SOMETHING developed by stages into the universe we know today.

The only difference (besides time scale) is what caused it to happen.
---Cluny on 10/11/10


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Ignatius: "You will do well to attend some Cosmology/physics classes."

You will do well to attend some Bible study classes. The Big Bang Theory was invented by the science fiction writer, George Gamow. The "Bang" in Big Bang was indeed believed to be an explosion. The theoretical constructs of "dark matter" and "inflation" are also fiction. They are but the latest in a series of band-aids on a ridiculous, unworkable theory - a theory for atheists seeking an explanation of origins without God.

This theory postulates billions of years for the creation of heaven and earth. God said He took six days to do it. Which one do YOU believe?
---jerry6593 on 10/11/10


(Gloria)-

Please google "Evidence for the Big Bang" by Bjorn Feuerbacher. It seems that the Big Bang theory has been misrepresented as some type of explosion from a point in outer space. I myself lead to a cosmological inflation viewpoint. There was no never a explosion, there was (and continues to be) an expansion of the universe that is driven by the repulsive effect of dark energy.

You will do well to attend some Cosmology/physics classes.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/10/10


Teaching evolution is going to make it impossible for people to believe God and to believe the Bible. Tell them that it is the biggest lie ever told by man to man.
---catherine on 10/10/10


For those that believe in evolution I ask, "where did the earth and the planets come from? They, of course will say, "there was a "big bang", and everything came to be'. Look at the shape of the earth and the planets. How could anything come out of some kind of explosion and be in the shape spheres?
---Gloria on 10/10/10


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Is Evolution a science or a religion?

(1) It presupposes abiogenesis (a supernatural event) in violation of the laws of science and mathematics.

(2) It assumes an inherent power of creativity within nature (a supernatural force) to provide the impetus and the new genetic information required for the development of new species.

(3) It mimics Eastern Mystic reincarnation in animal ancestry.

(4) It comes with a prophet/high priest - Charles Darwin.

Sounds like a religion to me.
---jerry6593 on 10/10/10


Notice Cluny's examples, horse types with horse types, cat types with cat types...
Same kinds breeding.. sounds like the Genesis account to me...
As for sterile, the way I understand it is, that as DNA loses information and gets more specialized into a certain species, the information loss has other possible effects as well, including sterility, cancer, displaced hips, etc.
This is very evident with dog specialization.
---micha9344 on 10/8/10


Cluny -- I wasn't expressing MY own views.
The theory of evolution as usually taught, does NOT assume a creator....since that would make it "unscientific". If "unscientific" it could not have a place in a secular science curriculum.

My personal view is like yours. I cannot swallow that creation and development of everything have occured as mere chance. I believe God created everything (I don't pretend to know exactly how).And He has a purpose for everything...including my pet cat.

True science does not conflict with my faith. But the "theory" of evolution is not hard science. My faith doesn't conflict with the verifiable sciences of chemistry and physics.
---Donna66 on 10/8/10


\\This is a little light hearted but, different types of animals cannot breed together.\\

Not true.

Mules, tiglons, ligers, and other hybrids are produced all the time.

But usually these are sterile.
---Cluny on 10/8/10


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\\If taken this way, the logical conclusion is that everything happens by chance, all life forms are of equal import, and man has no purpose but to perpetuate the species (which, like all the universe serves no known purpose)
\\

Your "logical conclusion" doesn't follow from your premise.

I'm sure God poured just as much of His overflowing creative love into producing my pet cats as He did into producing me.

Then why not believe that the myriad of plants and animals are likewise equal results of and recipients of God's love?

Furthermore, when I cook, I don't use my musical knowlege, because music and cookery are two different things.
---Cluny on 10/8/10


This is a little light hearted but, different types of animals cannot breed together. The first man evolved after millions of years then the first women had to evolve at the same time, in the same part of the world, and then survive hostel environment and come together. What are the odds of this. In my minds eye I can see that ape father looking down at this strange creature the mother ape gave birth to and saying "nothing like this ever came from my side of the family!"
More serious, in creation man was given a holy spirit from the creator, this could not evolve.
---Harold on 10/8/10


Donna66,

By the way, Science (every field of it) does not address spiritual matters (it deals with the physical world, not the spiritual), although most are ignorant of the fact that the physical world gives revelation of God. Religion and science are concerned with different questions, have their own specific goals and use different methods. It is truly unfair to treat Evolution any different.

My personal belief is that science and theology are compatible and I view them as complementary revelations of God. I do not see any conflict with scientific theories of creations and my personal Orthodox Faith.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/7/10


Donna66, Ignatius: The question of God in evolution is an open, and sometimes dangerous, one. While Darwin listed evolution as a theory that we might manage to accept (in his descriptions of small differences becoming bigger if they were beneficial). Of course for Darwin's idea to be viable for creating new species we have the problem of the age of the Earth.
The idea that evolution can REMOVE the need for God is a mess, and it looks like the idea of some people who WANT to remove God, and so use evolution as a method. THAT is the problem
If we stick to evolution as a way for small changes to occur, we can argue just on the basic possibilities
---peter3594 on 10/8/10


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Donna66-

You are missing the point. Many Christians accept the scientific theory (and by the way, tell us what "scientific theory" means) of Evolution, which doesn't contradict anything taught in Scriptures. The scientific theory of Evolution DOES NOT say there is no God, although many suppose it does. My biologist teacher once told me "If you want to put God in the picture, do so. That is your choice and belief".

You are looking at the subject through one particular prospective (Atheistic Evolution), while ignoring other areas of the subject. Evolution is a fact. Most here object to Macro-Evolution not Micro-Evolution.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/7/10


Ignacious --- That's just the point. The Theory of Evolution DOES NOT address spiritual matters. It is invariably taught without recognition of divinity, since it is arguably a "scientific" theory.

If taken this way, the logical conclusion is that everything happens by chance, all life forms are of equal import, and man has no purpose but to perpetuate the species (which, like all the universe serves no known purpose)

If you inject any deity, it is no longer a "scientific" theory, but part of a religion.

---Donna66 on 10/7/10


\\Did you even read the blog question?
---francis on 10/7/10\\

Did you even read the statement to which I was replying, francis?

I wasn't replying to the blog question.
---Cluny on 10/7/10


Graeco-Roman paganism has several.

Ancient Egyptians believed another.

Then there are those in the Bhagavad Gita and other Hindu writings.
So, as you see, it's not necessary to get people to believe the Bible to expect them to believe creationism.
---Cluny on 10/7/10
Did you even read the blog question?

How to explain creation to people who do NOT believe in THE BIBLE - what reasons can we give that evolution is not a good idea?
---francis on 10/7/10


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\\To start by explaining creationism to one who does not believe in the bible may be the wrong approach.\\

Just as there are more theories of evolution besides Darwin's, so there are more theories of creationism besides a Biblical one.

The Coran has one.

Graeco-Roman paganism has several.

Ancient Egyptians believed another.

Then there are those in the Bhagavad Gita and other Hindu writings.

So, as you see, it's not necessary to get people to believe the Bible to expect them to believe creationism.
---Cluny on 10/7/10


\\I wonder how by chance as the evolution theory suggests that BILLIONS of people have different DNA and even different fingerprints\\

The difference between the DNA of individuals in the same species is slight.

There is only a 1% difference in the DNA between Homo sapiens and a chimpanzee.

And ultimately, all DNA, regardless of species, is made up of the same four chemicals, abbreviated A, C, T, and G.

And of course, the assertion that "the evolutionary theory" is based on chance is itself a straw man, because there are several evolutionary theories.
---Cluny on 10/7/10


cluny: 'The Darwinian term is "survival of the fit," not "of the fittest."'

Bunk! Darwin did indeed use the term "survival of the fittest", which he stole from Herbert Spencer and included it in the 1869 edition of 'On the Origin of Species'.

Not too surprising, since he had already stolen the theory itself from Alfred Russel Wallace.
---jerry6593 on 10/7/10


To start by explaining creationism to one who does not believe in the bible may be the wrong approach.

It is best that you start by having them first believe in the bible, then the God who created.
---francis on 10/7/10


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Natural selection, survival of the fit, survival of the fittest, evolution... Are they to be compromised with the Bible?

No. Because for one, in order to teach natural selection/survival of the fit/evolution & c. in public schools, it means the banishment of the Holy Bible and prayer in schools.

Furthermore, I don't in any way see how natural selection and survival of the fit can be compromised with the Bible because the Lord said this very thing in S. Matthewe 6:26, Beholde the foules of the heauen: for they sowe not, neither reape, nor carie into the barnes: yet your heauenlie Father feedeth them. Are ye not muche better then they?

PS Note, foules means fowls (as in birds) in the 1560 Geneva Bible.
---Kev on 10/6/10


"what reasons can we give that evolution is not a good idea?".Provide reasons for creation that does not cause biblical creation story conflict.
A creation story will recieve more acceptance if the story does not stumble. Suspicions of authenticity will cause a decline in credibility of the author.
Example.Was Adam created early in creation or late in creation?
Most will read only one part of the creation story of events and make their conclusion, call it truth but with oversight of additional information in the creation events that will conflict with the concluded truth.
---earl on 10/6/10


Amen Donna

I wonder how by chance as the evolution theory suggests that BILLIONS of people have different DNA and even different fingerprints

no matter how much evolution theory supporters attempt to explain away these impossiblites it never ceases to amaze me that one day (in the evolutionary theories mind) a big poof happened in the cosmos and taaadaaa a whole solar system was born with an earth that has an ecosystem so complex man has not discovered all there is within and YET NOTHING has ever happened since this "poof day" that ever CREATED anything else
---Rhonda on 10/6/10


"the belief that everything began by chance...that even humans are nothing more than a chance combination of genetic material. The theory rules out God." (donna66)

The scientific theory of Evolution does not deny the existence of God (it doesn't even address the issue), despite certain Atheists assertions. Google "Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution".

"It would tell us that life has no purpose and and no value. "

This is not true, and I will never taught such in my studies.

"It would say that the spirit doesn't exist, that a child has no more value than a snail."

Again, it doesn't dear with spiritual matters. This is a straw-man.

In IC.XC..,
---Ignatius on 10/6/10


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Lack of scientific proof for Creationism is proof of Evolution.
Lack of scientific proof for Evolution is proof of Creationism.

The debate will always end in a stalemate because we are attempting to convince an unbeliever using boundaries that they have set.

People say they will only believe what their eyes can see, and yet 2000 years ago many people saw with their eyes and still did not believe. even visible proof can be denied by a hardened heart.

Its the heart you have to open up and that can only be done with love. The Savior shining thru us to prove to a lost and dying world that God IS indeed real. They have to see a difference in us.

Love never fails.
---JackB on 10/6/10


The fundamental flaw in the Evolutionary Theory is the belief that everything began by chance...that even humans are nothing more than a chance combination of genetic material. The theory rules out God.

It would tell us that life has no purpose and and no value. It would say that the spirit doesn't exist, that a child has no more value than a snail. It would tell us that the only destination for all our efforts and hopes is the grave.

Natural Selection (survival of the fit) is seen in all areas of animal and plant life. It is a scientific fact. But it cannot be applied to any individual in particular, because it applies only over generations. Nothing unbiblical about it.
---Donna66 on 10/6/10


\\Evolution is a terrible idea because it teaches the survival of the fittest\\

The Darwinian term is "survival of the fit," not "of the fittest."

The first means, "Any individual who can survive survives." The latter "Only the very best survive."

Certain political and social theories debased and misquoted Darwin's words. Certain schools of Christianity allowed them to define the terms of the debate by this misquote.

I have no problem with God working through evolution, but I don't believe God does random things.

However the classical godless theory requires too many different things to evolve at one time.
---Cluny on 10/6/10


Evolution is a terrible idea because it teaches the survival of the fittest and contempts those who are weak and poor as a thing that must pass away.

There is no love in evolution. Only random chances, abortions, and survival of the fittest.

What greater thing is there than to be iustified by Christ's blood, and to serve God and one another? Tell me.

The Saints and holy martyrs themselves will tell thee what a great privilege it is to serve God. I Iohn 4:19, We loue him, because he loued vs first.
(Iohn Caluin's/Theodore Beza's Bible translation)

Evolution is total depravity. The Bible's account of creation is accurate whether supposedly wise scientists will believe it or not. Read I Corinthians 3:19-20.
---Kev on 10/6/10


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We do not put our pearls in front of swine, and we do not explain creation to a person who chooses not to believe.
---Eloy on 10/6/10


Jacob: Evolution is easily debunked without the Bible by applying the same scientific scrutiny as you would to any theory. For example:

(1) Evolution conflicts with established scientific law (e.g. biogenesis, entropy).

(2) Evolution rests on the twin pillars of conjecture and fraud - not on evidence and testability.

(3) Evolution requires long ages (uniformatarianism) for the magical transformation of one species into another - but the fossil record shows young age catastrophism.

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---jerry6593 on 10/6/10


Warwick is vacationing in France at the moment.
---micha9344 on 10/5/10


Anyone heard from Warwick recently?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/5/10


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I think we can choose beliefs based on how we really are, in our character, and therefore how we choose to see things. Evolution involves "survival of the fittest", including competing and killing in order to make one's own self superior, etc. Therefore, I am considering, if people are into competing to be better than others, ones like this can want an idea like evolution to be true. And we have people who are so into their own independence, and so these might be willing to accept evolution with such concern about one's own survival.

But Christianity is about sharing, as "members of one another" (Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:25), "submitting to one another in the fear of God." (Ephesians 5:21)
---Bill on 10/5/10


jacob,
Why is the bible the only holy book you are defending for creation?
What makes the creation story therein exclusive ?
What is your definition of evolution?
What reason so far do you have for defense of the bible creation story?
---earl on 10/5/10


By the way, many genuine Christians do hold to a middle ground called Theistic Evolution (for quick view on it read the article entitled "Evolutionary Creation:A Christian Approach to Evolution" by Denis O. Lamoureux). Others are Young Earth Creationist, Old Earth Creationist, among others. Such a topic is just meaningless in my opinion, though I hold to the former view.

Of course, Scriptura speaking, there is no direct proof that the Earth is only 6,000-10,000 years old (considering that the Bible has a ancient incorrect Cosmology), that the two different creation accounts in Genesis needs to be taken as scientific lessons, etc.

In the end, the important belief is that God is the Creator.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/5/10


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