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Eloi Elio Lama Sabachthani

Mark 15:34 At the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - which means "My God my God why have you forsaken me?" Was Jesus really saying that to God?

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Mark, still posting falsehood, for scriptures records that God has made Jesus the scapegoat for us: "For he has made him sin for us, who knew no sin: that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." II Cor.5:21.
---Eloy on 10/18/10


MarkV .. You don't like the phraae "Jesus became sin" Neither do I. I have never understood this, since if Jesus became sin, He would become evil, in fact He would become Satan.

It seems to me it has become a "buzz-phrase" meaning that He took over all our sins, and was crucified for them.

The concept of Him becoming sin jsut does not make sense!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/18/10


Lea:

I don't recall any of us telling Eloy that he was unsaved. I certainly did not do so myself. Yet Eloy is constantly telling all of us that we are unsaved and full of darkness. He seems to do this to anyone who disagrees with him about almost anything.

I don't tell people they are unsaved, I don't presume to have that level of spiritual insight nor do I feel I have the authority to pass that kind of judgment. Yet Eloy believes he has both.
---StrongAxe on 10/18/10


Lea, one more time, if you believe in what you said to us, why did you not address Eloy? Every single person who disagrees with him, he calls them unsave. Can you explain that? If you are righteous, be righteous in your judgment. And when did you hear me say he was not saved? I have said he was not changed from the first reborn to his second, since he believes he has been reborn twice. When I answer him I assume he is save. Even when he comes out with rediculous statements. I do not treat him any different.
---MarkV. on 10/18/10


Eloy, Jesus was never becoming sin, He took the sins of the world. If He became sin, then He was not only the Son of God, but the sin of God. Jesus was sinless, God is sinless. All of it is just rediculous, false, and unbiblical.
---MarkV. on 10/18/10




Alan, When Jesus was cruicified he was becoming sin, not his own because he is sinless and innocent and has no sin, but he was taking the sins from others. In truth he was taking other's sins and paying the wages of it which is separation from God and death. Jesus is Light to the world, and that is why darkness came upon all the world in the middle of that day. But hell had no legal right to hold Jesus because he had no sin of his own that he committed, but instead he was carrying other's sins. So the Holy One descended into hell and rightfully took the keys away from Satan, and he loosed those souls that were imprisoned and waiting for him. Please Read- Matthew 27:51-53.
---Eloy on 10/18/10


Hey Cuny ah cluny, who do you believe is on the spiritual level that he or she claims to be on?
---catherine on 10/17/10


\\MarkV,StrongAx,Cluny: one more time im going to tell you what i discern reading your post ok, you are childish argumentative, if you feel Eloy is a lost soul then ignore him\\

I've never claimed that Eloy is a lost soul, so don't accuse me of saying things I have not.

I just don't believe he's on the exalted and rarified spiritual level he claims to be.

He certainly doesn't have the knowledge of Biblical languages, or even English (such as using "sinuous" as the opposite of "righteous"), with which he credits himself.
---Cluny on 10/17/10


Lea:

By your two posts, you believe it is your right and duty to rebuke Christian brothers who you see engaging in non-Christian behavior - i.e. ganging up on another Christian brother. And I agree that Christian SHOULD correct each other when they see errors.

However, if you believe this, isn't it also proper for us to rebuke him for doing exactly the same thing (and more so, since he accuses EVERYONE who disagrees with him)? And even worse - for claiming equality with God himself?
---StrongAxe on 10/17/10


Alan, out of the three hundred and ten million, four hundred and seventy-seven thousand, three hundred and twenty-seven people in the United States, only nine thousand three hundred and fourteen are named "Eloy". And just as there are two hundred and forty-three thousand, seven hundred and twenty-five people named "Jesus" in the United States, of all of them not one holds the same meaning as the "Lord Jesus": and likewise no one whom is called by the name which I have holds the same meaning as my name which I have heard in heaven.
---Eloy on 10/17/10




Lea: "if you feel Eloy is a lost soul then ignore him"

Is that what Jesus did? Ignore lost souls?
---jerry6593 on 10/17/10


MarkV,StrongAx,Cluny: one more time im going to tell you what i discern reading your post ok, you are childish argumentative, if you feel Eloy is a lost soul then ignore him, if you are so perfect and have arrived(which you haven't )and sit on the throne of judgment acting like God you need to do some serious repenting and i don't have to repent for calling you a bunch of sharks for that's how you act, you turn these blogs into a pepper mill. I just called you on it.Grow up and be men, no one here is a 100% right all the time. Live in peace, be Christ like , and i have read many of your comments on plenty of blogs and its the same old stuff and i sure know who is Holy Spirit led and who isn't but you know who you are don't you?
---Lea on 10/16/10


\\you are a bunch of sharks swimming around in the waters seeking blood ,\\

Lea, if someone says that he can imagine God telling him to commit homicide, who is really the one seeking blood?

Furthermore, MarkV, StrongAxe, and I are not the ones telling people that they are not saved when they disagree with us.
---Cluny on 10/16/10


Christ was god in the flesh He was not a "god"

Christ who is the WORD John 1:1, 14 had always existed prior to His physical birth ...what mainstream christianity fails to comprehend is that IF Christ had sinned HE would have died to never live again ...Christ WAS resurrected to eternal life - he did not possess eternal life in flesh ..by overcoming world of Satan his physical body resurrected to eternal spirit ...MANY cannot comprehend Matt 4:8-10 blinded from understanding Satan as ruler of world 2Corin 4:4 COULD tempt Christ with Kingdoms because they were Satans to give

Christ cried out to The Father in Heaven before his death because it would be first time Christ had ever been separated from The Father
---Rhonda on 10/16/10


Eloy ... There are many with the name Eloy.

Are you saying that everyone with that name isthe light that Jesus saw from the Cross ... or the God to who Jesus cried out?

(You have after all given both those interpretations of the word Eloy)
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/16/10


Lea:

If you read my responses to Eloy, I show something he said, and point out how it is either plainly contradicted by scripture, or goes against centuries of well-established scholarship.

This is not bashing. It is correction, and I would be remiss in not doing it (2 Timothy 3:16).

I only speak about him personally when he makes claims to be on the same plane as Jesus and God. I do not call him delusional or apostate - I merely say this kind of thinking is dangerous and delusional and cultic.

On the other hand, if anyone disagrees with Eloy, he CONSTANTLY calls them unsaved, liars, full of darkness, etc. So who is bashing whom?
---StrongAxe on 10/16/10


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Lea: You need to brush up on your reading skills. Eloy has some serious delusional issues - thinking that he is God and all. But you are not helping him by bolstering his delusion. How will he ever find salvation if he thinks that he is God? He thinks that he is his own saviour.
---jerry6593 on 10/16/10


Lea, I have repented. I would hope that you do too for calling us sharks when you could have use a better word. Your right, the story of Eloy is old news. All of us have been condemned by him. I believe that others should know who he is before they answer him, thinking they are talking to a Christian only, and find out they are talking to God. Now if you do not question someone who does not pretend but believes he is God, what would you do? Give us your opinion, other then to pray for God to change him since many here do not believe God saves a person but they have to come out of their own free will if they want. We can pray to God, or wait for him to use his free will. Which hasn't happen yet.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/10


\\And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lima sa bachthani, that being translated, Light, light, how onto me utterly ravaged." Lk.23:44,45+ Mk.15:34.
---Eloy on 10/16/10\\

Repeating that ELOI means "light" does not make it so.

And are you claiming to be the ELOI invoked in Psalm 22, or Jesus? Those are the only two names given.
---Cluny on 10/16/10


Alan, I reiterate, my name is found in Mark 15:34. "And it was about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn in the middle. And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lima sa bachthani, that being translated, Light, light, how onto me utterly ravaged." Lk.23:44,45+ Mk.15:34.
---Eloy on 10/16/10


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StrongAx, Cluny, MarkV,Jerry, Trav

you are a bunch of sharks swimming around in the waters seeking blood , have you ever thought about Why Jesus died on the Cross for ? yep for your sorry souls ! so why don't you get a life and go get down on your knees and ask God to forgive you of your sins ! work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. All i've seen you do on this blog is bash Eloy and ive seen many a reply of his to blogs and seen no discord nor hate but you men have a troublesome spirit if i were you i would repent and do some serious soul searching ! God Help you and have Mercy on your souls !
---Lea on 10/15/10


\\And there is a lot of people still murdering God, today\\

How can someone who cannot die (or Who rose from the dead, never to die again, for death has no power over Him) have his life taken away, which is what murder means, catherine?
---Cluny on 10/15/10


\\My Lord, and My God. I asked Jesus the other-day, "Were any of those wicked MEN who had A direct hand in your murder ever saved"?\\

A murderer TAKES people's lives. Jesus Christ Himself said, "No man takes My life. I GIVE it."

Just another example of how YOUR lord, god, and jesus differ from the real ones in the Bible.
---Cluny on 10/15/10


And there is a lot of people still murdering God, today. Putting Him on a cross. It's not the unpardonable sin, you can be forgiven. Come on Jesus, save a lost soul today from the everlasting fires of HELL.....Make sure it's God calling you. Amen.+++
---catherine on 10/15/10


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Well, actually God was talking to God. Yes, God in the flesh dwelled among us. AhhhJesus. How blessed those wicked people were, and they murdered Him. My Savior, YES, My Lord, and My God. I asked Jesus the other-day, "Were any of those wicked MEN who had A direct hand in your murder ever saved"? And He said, "Not a one". You don't just murder God and expect Him to save you, do you? Come on. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 10/15/10


Yes. Jesus was talking to God the Father. God being a righteous God can not look upon sin and it was at that time that all the sins of all mankind was poured out upon Jesus
---William on 10/15/10


\\Note the difference between "'elio" (sun) and "eloi" (my God). Changing letter order can make a big difference. \\

Note further that Indo-European languages (such as Greek) and Semitic languages (such as Hebrew) have nothing to do with each other, save for a few mutual borrowings.
---Cluny on 10/15/10


Eloy ... You have now told us that your name means "light" and previously said in mean "My God"

You've also said that you are the light that Jesus saw from the Cross.

All a bit confusing. Can you explain more?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/15/10


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Eloy, the "us" is everyone who heard you say you were the Light Jesus saw on the Cross. I believe they are many. But if you don't want to explain to them, how about me. Don't you want to speak the Truth? You can do it. Let it come out. I know God will forgive you. And I will understand.
---MarkV. on 10/15/10


MarkV, who is "us" when only "you" are posting to me?
---Eloy on 10/15/10


Eloy:

In Greek "phos" means "light", while "'elios" ("helios") means "sun". These two are related, but they are NOT the same (like "cow" and "milk"). Both are used in Mt. 17:2, only "helios" in Luke 23:45.

Note the difference between "'elio" (sun) and "eloi" (my God). Changing letter order can make a big difference. "barn" and "bran" are very different.

Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 describe the same event: one says he said "Eloi", the other "Eli". In Hebrew, BOTH mean "my God". It is a stretch to assume he said two completely different things at exactly the same time.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/10


Eloy, if you did not mean you were the Light that Jesus saw on the Cross, tell us? This way we understand you are not saying you are deity. If you believe this name "Eloy" was given to you in heaven, how can you proof what you say is truth? Now of course if you are saved, God took you from the darkness into the Light, but God was that Light. All you did was come into the Light. We are not that Light. And just because you have as you say, a name which means light, does not by any definition say you are that Light. Many have Scripture names, and I am talking about Murderers, serial killers, molestors, it does not mean they are going to heaven because they have a name that is Scriptural.
---MarkV. on 10/15/10


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Trav, Eloy is my name sounded in heaven and given to me, I know what my name means: and Eloy is NOT Trav's name. My name Eloy means "a light", and when the Lord Jesus was nailed to the cross, after three hours of darkness, he cried "Eloi, Eloi, lima sa bachthani." And the people standing nearby mistakenly thought that he was crying for Elijah, but he was not. And in Greek "Heli" or "Helio" is "Light". See Mt.17:2+ Lk.23:44,45.
---Eloy on 10/15/10


eloy: "jerry, I have already exposed your lies."

You are NOT God! Deal with it! To call a person a liar who tells the truth is a lie.
---jerry6593 on 10/15/10


I thought ELOY/ELOI was one of the Hebrew words for God.

And it does NOT mean "light."
---Cluny on 10/13/10

A light saying they are a light....makes me suspicious. Why would a light need to tell us they are a light? A prophet a prophet? Would be eaaaasssy to see.

There is no light on there. Legend in his own mind....
---Trav on 10/14/10


Donna
If you were looking for it, Here's a verse that confirms what you said about how Jesus was separated from God, the separation that caused him to cry out.


(Isaiah 59:2)
But your iniquities have separated you from your God, your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.


---David on 10/14/10


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Boys!!!! Now listen up...we are not here to argue the Word. Jesus stated the truth and then walked away. He never hung around and argued with the Pharisees saying, "oh yes I am the Son of God."

Pharisees response: Oh no you're not.

No, no, no, that's NOT what happened. That's not how Jesus handled speaking the truth to the Pharisees...He spoke it and walked away.

So why can't we just believe what the word says and not try to interpret it according to what the word means in this language or that language. We are called BELIEVERS for a reason. Let God give each person their own understanding. If you can't be nice and respond with a scirpture, then please hold back your accusations. Thank you!
---Donna5535 on 10/14/10


jerry, I have already exposed your lies.
---Eloy on 10/14/10


MarkV, you my words, then wrest them into different words that I have not posted, then after you have adulterated my words you post them bearing false witness against me saying that these words of yours are mine. Sinners do this all the time with the Holy Bible, taking snippets of passages and "adding to" and "taking away" from the actual words, in order to make up their own words and then misapply them as their flesh desires. Stop filtering or editing my words, and stop bearing false witness against me by saying your own words that you have made up are mine, when in fact they are not. Whenever you take what I post and wrest it, then it is no longer mine but has become your own and you are responsible for your idle words.
---Eloy on 10/14/10


MarkV:

Unfortunately, the serpent promised Eve in the garden "ye shall be as gods" and people have been falling for that lie ever since. If you look at most cult leaders, they either believe that they are God, or gods, or the second coming of Jesus, or in some way on a spiritual plane higher than the rest of us mere mortals, exempt from laws that bind the rest of us, and worthy of judging us but not being judged themselves. This is spiritual delusion of the most dangerous kind.

Those who exalt themselves will be humbled, while those who humble themselves will be exalted (Matthew 23:12, Luke 14:11, 1 Peter 5:6)
---StrongAxe on 10/14/10


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Eloy: Before you start calling me a liar, you should check your previous posts. I said that I couldn't find "Eloy" in my Bible. You responded that is in Mark 15:34, the very scripture under discussion here. What am I to infer from that? That you are the very Eloi (my God) that Jesus was crying to? If you don't want people to think you are strange, then don't say strange things.
---jerry6593 on 10/14/10


Strongaxe, one time Eloy stated, "He was the light Jesus saw while on the Cross" I did not want to take it wrong so I studied what he said. I thought maybe he meant that now that he is saved, he is now in the light, the same light that Jesus saw while on the Cross. So I asked him to explain, and I got what everyone gets, his wrath with Scripture to boot.
Then later I saw what he did, he begin to answer others without capital letters on their names only his name had capital letters. Then, later he wrote as if He was God speaking when he quoted a passage. Then I knew, what I hope he did not mean, that he was the true light Jesus saw while on the Cross. I was shocked that anyone would ever conclude he was deity.
---MarkV. on 10/14/10


\\As I have already defined my name "Eloy" before, "MY" name- Not yours- and not named nor worn by you, means, "a light". Eloy is my name jerry, and Eloy is not your name.
---Eloy on 10/13/10\\

I thought ELOY/ELOI was one of the Hebrew words for God.

And it does NOT mean "light."
---Cluny on 10/13/10


Eloy:

Your name may mean "light" in whatever languge you happened to get it from - but not in any language used in the Bible.

I rely on words from God that are actually written in the Written Word of God - not words that I hear in my head that some entity that may call itself God happens to tell me. If any words I hear disagree with the Word of God, or other demonstrably true facts, I know that it isn't God who is saying them, but somebody else entirely who is lying about it.

You often say things like "my body" etc. that are from the perspective of someone who is God himself. "ye shall be as gods" (Gen. 3:5) was the first lie in the Bible, and many people still fall for it.
---StrongAxe on 10/13/10


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\\you are proven wrong, for you publicly bear false witness and blaspheme: but after you get saved, then you will not blaspheme, but will profess truth just as every Christian bears witness to the truth.
---Eloy on 10/13/10\\

Look at yourself in the mirror and repeat this three times a day until it sinks in.

Someone who can imagine God telling him to commit homicide (which is EXACTLY what you said) and then claims to be either the Father or the Son (as you have elsewhere in your exegesis of this verse) is in no position to accuse others of blasphemy.
---Cluny on 10/13/10


As I have already defined my name "Eloy" before, "MY" name- Not yours- and not named nor worn by you, means, "a light". Eloy is my name jerry, and Eloy is not your name.
---Eloy on 10/13/10


jerry, you are proven wrong, for you publicly bear false witness and blaspheme: but after you get saved, then you will not blaspheme, but will profess truth just as every Christian bears witness to the truth.
---Eloy on 10/13/10


Strongax, I rely 100% upon every word from God, and none from unsaved clay.
---Eloy on 10/13/10


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jerry6593:

Eloy often uses phrases like "my body", "the truth I preach has already been established in heaven and in earth", calls criticism of his comments blasphemy against him and against God. He rejects meanings of words like "Eloi" commonly accepted by millenia of scholars because "God told him" it meant something else.

Relying on personal revelations, believing you know better than anyone else, confusing one's own identity and interests with God's - these are signs of dangerous spiritual delusion. The Russian word "prelest" describes this condition.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"
---StrongAxe on 10/13/10


Cluny, Axey: On another blog, Eloy actually stated that "Eloi" in this scripture actually refers to HIM, which would imply that he thinks that he is God the Father. Isn't that correct, Eloy? To me, such statements are blasphemy.
---jerry6593 on 10/13/10


Absolutely, Jesus was saying that to the Father. When He spoke those words, He felt the weight of all the sin of the world upon Himself, and felt something that He had never experienced before or since, which was separation from the Father. That was what made His suffering so harsh, to be separated from His Father. We can never rully understand what Jesus suffered there on Calvary when He bore or burdens in our place, but, I thank God that He did that for even me!
---tommy3007 on 10/13/10


Alan, Jesus is perfect and sinless, but he himself who is sinless became sin who himself knew no sin, and God is holy and sinless that he will not look upon sin.
---Eloy on 10/13/10


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\\And he is coming again to judge every sinner and he will rightly recompense them for their just deserts.
---Eloy on 10/12/10\\

And the secret thoughts and imaginations of ALL will be revealed, such as those of people who imagine God telling them to kill others.
---Cluny on 10/12/10


Eloy:

You said: the truth I preach has already been established in heaven and in earth.

Once again, YOU claim this, but I don't hear anyone else colloborating you. Again and again, you make statements which do not obey the "every truth shall be established by two or three witnesses" rule that the Bible continuously demands.

Even Jesus followed this - the miracles he performed served as witness to his authority. Yet you seem to feel that you are above that you don't need to corroborate your claims. Nobody belives "Eloi" means light other than you.

If Jesus needed to corroborate his claims but you don't, that means you put yourself above Jesus himself - a very dangerous place to claim to be.
---StrongAxe on 10/12/10


Strongax, the truth I preach has already been established in heaven and in earth, but unregenerate and deceived man does not desire to hear this truth, but instead in their foolishness they think by crucifying the Light and supplanting the Light with their vanity that they will have created their own salvation and be safe in their sin. News flash, Truth: Christ is alive! He is The Light! And he is coming again to judge every sinner and he will rightly recompense them for their just deserts.
---Eloy on 10/12/10


\\Strongax, regardless of what you post, I am proven to post the truth, and you are proven to not post the truth.
---Eloy on 10/12/10\\

And you truly posted that you could imagine God telling you to commit sins such as homicide, too.
---Cluny on 10/12/10


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Mark 15:34 At the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - which means "My God my God why have you forsaken me?" Was Jesus really saying that to God?

YES HE WAS

Jesus was carrying the sins of the world, and sin always seperates us from God.
At that moment, Jesus who had never been seperated from his Father, felt the forsakeness of seperation from God.
---francis on 10/12/10


Eloy:

You said Strongax, regardless of what you post, I am proven to post the truth, and you are proven to not post the truth.

Truth is established by two or three witnesses. (Dt 17:6+19:15, Mt 18:16, 2 Co 13:1, 1 Ti 5:19, He 10:28, Rev 11:3).

You are not "proven" true because you supply no witnesses besides yourself. While God is Light, "Eloi" does not mean "light" in any Biblical language. On the other hand, most Bible scholars throughout the past 2 millenia agree "Eloi" refers to "My God" from Ps 22:1. If you are going to challenge them, you are going to need to provide some concrete (and corroborated) evidence, and NOT just your own personal opinion.
---StrongAxe on 10/12/10


Strongax, God is Light (ref: Mal.4:2+ Jn.12:46+ rv.21:23), and from when Jesus was crucified at high noon and continuing for 3 hours darkness covered the entire world, and then Jesus said these words in Mark 15:34. Jesus cried and said, "I am come Light to the world."John 12:46. Strongax, regardless of what you post, I am proven to post the truth, and you are proven to not post the truth.
---Eloy on 10/12/10


Eloy:

Regardless of what you think the words mean, "Eloi" from Matthew 15:34 is Hebrew "Elohi" ("My God". Greek had no "h"). The same in Matthew 27:46: Hebrew "Eli" also means "My God". Jesus quoted Psalm 22:1 (or David was prefiguring Jesus). In neither case was Jesus talking about "Light". "Eloi" does not mean light in Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic. Nobody but you ever uses the word that way. I would be surprised if you could find any authority in either language that says that it does (If you can, please let us know - I would be very interested to hear it). Otherwise, it is merely Eloy's opinion against that of every other Christian authority for 2000 years.
---StrongAxe on 10/12/10


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\\Mark.15:34: literally translated into English: "Light, light, how onto me utterly ravaged." And Mattew.27:46: literally translated into English: "My God, My God, how that me utterly ravaged." \\

If "Eloi/Eli" means "God" in one Gospel, it means "God" in the other one.

And it doesn't mean "light" in either.

And in Greek the Omicron-Iota diagraph (transliterated OI in English) is pronounced as the English long EE, so both Eloi and Eli are pronounced the same, as they are the same Hebrew word.
---Cluny on 10/12/10


Jesus knew specifically what He came to do. Over and over He told His disciples that He would be delivered into the hands of wicked men, die, be buried, and be raised again the third day so any "why" He encountered on the cross was because of our confusion, an aspect of the curse He became. He didn't wear a crown of thorns for nothing. He bled from the entire circumference of His head to redeem us from every aspect of the curse in the mental realm. This includes anxiety, mental anquish, madness, sorrow of mind, etc. What you don't know will hurt you, and what you let the caged birds steal is an aspect of redemption you do not enjoy.
---Linda on 10/11/10


Mark.15:34: literally translated into English: "Light, light, how onto me utterly ravaged." And Mattew.27:46: literally translated into English: "My God, My God, how that me utterly ravaged." And Psalm 22:1 literally translated into English: "My God, My God, how have you scapegoated me, and are far from my salvation, the words of my groaning."
---Eloy on 10/12/10


Jesus was talking to our "one God and Father of all" (in Ephesians 4:6). It was an expression of how emotional the moment was, though Jesus is almighty so more than any suffering. That would not impress Him, really. But He was being our Example. He was in a fix, and He was asking in faith, "Why?" An honest question, meaning, why do You have Me in this situation? I want to do whatever You please, with this, since You have me here. So, whenever we are in an impossible crunch or things switch from what we thought we had going, ask why so we can do the good that God means by the problem.
---Bill on 10/11/10


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Sin is an abomination to the Holy God as declared in the Holy Bible. Sin has only one punishment and Paul says in Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death..." In the OT, the atonement for Israel's sin was in an unblemished lamb as demanded by God. Now we know that the unblemished lamb was pointing to the sinless life of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And at Calvary, Christ took upon the sins of His people in His physical body to be crucified - hence making the final and perfect atonement of peace between the Father and His people. And in His ressurection Christ conquered death, hence His people will have eternal life.

Yes, God the Father turned away because Christ's body was filled with the sins of His people which God hates.
---christan on 10/11/10


"Yes", Christ was really saying that to God. Remember, Christ was dying for the sins of the world and God can't look on sin, so the only logical conclusion is, God did forsake Him for a small period of time.
---wivv on 10/11/10


Christ was crucified [1] A bloody death, and without Blood no remission Heb. ix 22. Christ was to lay down His life for us, and therefore shed His Blood [2] It was a painful death. Christ died, so as that He might feel Himself die, now, that right there is so [interesting to me]. Christ would meet death in it's greatest terror, and so conquer it. [3] It was a shameful death, the death of slaves and the filthiest of criminals [4] It was a cursed death: Thus it was branded by the Jewish law....The End.+++++
---catherine on 10/11/10


Cont: Our Lord Jesus, in the agony of His soul, cried out, My God, My God, "Why hast thou forsaken Me"? The darkness signified the present cloud which the human soul of Christ was under, when He was making it an offering for sin. Our Lord Jesus was denied the light of the sun when He was in His sufferings, to signify the withdrawing of the light of God's countenance. And this He complained of more than anything, He did not of His disciples forsaking Him, but of His Fathers, [1] Because this wounded His spirit, and that is a thing hard to bear. [2] Because in this especially He was made sin for us.
---catherine on 10/11/10


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He was now commanding His soul into His Father's hand. God was the strength of Jesus heart, [this is why He was able to talk on the cross]. Christ was really and truly dead, for He gave up the ghost. His human soul departed to the world of spirits, and left His body a breathless clod of clay. Just at that instant that Christ died upon Mount Calvary, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom, v. 38. This bespeaks of a great deal, [1] of terror to the unbelieving Jews, for it was a presage of the utter destruction of their church and Nation, which followed not long after. Cont.
---catherine on 10/11/10


This is the opening line of Psalm 22 (21LXX).

Please compare this Psalm with the Matthew 27.
---Cluny on 10/11/10


YES. YAHUSHUA (JESUS), the Son of GOD, was indeed crying out to the Father, asking Him why He had forsaken Him. Because, as YAHUSHUA was on the Cross, He was made SIN, in the Eyes of the Father. The Son was taking onto Himself the sins of the World. The Innocent was made Guilty, so the guilty could be made innocent, by His Blood. The Father hid His Face from the Son, as He was on the Cross, paying the Price for our sin. The Father God, being purely Holy, could not, and cannot, look on sin. He could not look on His Son as He was made sin, in that time of Darkness on the Cross.
---Gordon on 10/11/10


Yes He was. Isaiah 54 says:

For a small moment have I forsaken thee, but with great mercies will I gather thee. 8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment, but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer

For a brief moment, when Jesus was on the Cross, taking on the Sins of the world, profusely bleeding from the nails driven into his hands and feet, from the spear that pierced his side, the pain he was feeling, Jesus cried out, "My God My God Why have you forsaken me."

God turned from Jesus "for a brief moment" because God could not look upon sin (the sins that Jesus took on his body for us and was crucified for us).
---Donna5535 on 10/11/10


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Jesus obviously was not saying that God forsook him. Jesus was in "his" hour of "tribulation."

With his last breaths of life, he was teaching that a time so dark and so dismal will come upon his followers (those who are members of his body). that it will appear as if God has forsaken them.

In the Great Tribulation that comes upon Christs followers, it will appear so. And, many will say and believe in that future time period: My God my God why have you forsaken me.
---R._Jerome_Harris on 10/10/10


Jesus said to his apostles that his Father will never forsake him or anyone .That is a characteristic of a real father either here on earth or in heaven.
So,the words recorded in a windstorm where only the guards stood close enough to hear only those few words is hardly believable as something he believed his Father will do. That Jesus would think his Father is being a coward when times get bad for his earthly children is very pathetic.
If Jesus said our Father will never forsake him or us then I believe his words are true.
---earl on 10/10/10


YES. He was speaking to his father. not to himself.
---candice on 10/10/10


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