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Why are there such harsh posts on the blogs? Is it because people are not walking in love? Is it because like the Bible says that in the end that most that claim to be Christians are really not, and their fruit shows it, so Biblical correction is needed like the Bible says to do? What do you think?

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Alan-- I don't think most Americans are as atuned to different speech characteristics in the UK as you are. When I was in NI, I couldn't tell (I actually didn't try, but it seemed to me they were all speaking "English". Sometimes I wasn't sure of that, Ha)
Can you tell the difference between someone from Boston and someone from Minnesota based on their speech? Most Americans can, easily.
Catholics in this country are Polish, Irish, Hispanic, French, Italian or...none of the above.
---Donna66 on 10/29/10


John ... Now that is very strange. I can myself tell, although I have never been to NI, whether a man is Protestant or Catholic, by just listening to their voices, and a friend of mine, from NI, can tell just by looking at thier physical characteristics. They come from different racial stock a few centuries ago.

Sadly, the atrocitiesa ere starting up again
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/29/10


All Muslims are not terrorists, but the vast majority are sympathetic to them. The Koran commands the ruthless murder of those who disagree with its lies. Where was the outcry of comdemnation from the Muslim community over the 9-11 attacks? Why was there dancing in the streets in Palestine by Muslim women and children over the death of nearly 3000 innocent people if they are a good, peaceful people? Where is the outrage over the current worldwide slaughter of innocent Christians by Muslim barbarians? The silence is deafening.
---jerry6593 on 10/29/10


The "politically correct" ( like NPR) will always worry that any criticism of muslims, individually or as a group, signifies some sort of bigotry...even if nobody has even implied such a thing.

But they easily accept overt hostility to Christians (or even Americans in general), overweight persons, those who use incandesent lightbulbs, or indulge in "fast foods".
It's because they are enlightened.
---Donna66 on 10/28/10


Alan,

A friend of mine was a former SAS. He worked up in Northern Ireland. He said it was very strange since he could not tell the difference between the Catholic and the Protestant. I guess the last names help a bit. But there you have a case where you cannot do racial profiling. They looked the same.

I could not believe the atrosities he told me about. In fact I rather not think about them.
---John on 10/28/10




John ... I did not say that anyone had said that!

I had just said some pretty hard things about Islamics .... "I would say though, that the Islamic extremists are very dangerous, and we, both USA and UK appear to be rather lily-livered in our approach to the problem. We need to exercise more control. Much more. I agree with Mark, and would go further ... these terrorists think nothing of bombing their own people"

I felt I needed to temper that by saying that not all Muslims are terrorists, lest people thought I think they are!
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/28/10


In spite of sll this, we should not say thet all Muslims are terrorists
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/28/10

Alan, who made that claim? I don't see that post.
---JOhn on 10/28/10


Like A|lways on, my purpose was to show not ALL terrorists are Muslim. And it is quite clear that those who have attacked America were not "wild-eyed, young, bearded, allah-shouting MUSLIMs" since they appeared to be ordinary citizens when they boarded the planes.

So I'm not going to try to evaluate percentages either.

I would say though, that the Islamic extremists are very dangerous, and we, both USA and UK appear to be rather lily-livered in our approach to the problem. We need to exercise more control. Much more

I agree with Mark, and would go further ... these terrorists think nothing of bombing their own people.

In spite of sll this, we should not say thet all Muslims are terrorists
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/28/10


We should judge all terrorist who come from one religion. Jerry is perfectly correct in his answer also. Of course not all muslims are terrorist, everyone knows that. But the only reason Islam grew around the world was not because they believed the Truth of God's word, it was because of their efforts to put fear in every country they have attack. People from Indonesia were happy the way they use to be before Islam took those countries over. And now for years all have converted to Islam. In Africa the same, millions there were murdered, the people were defenseless, no one could stop them. Now they rule many of those countries in Africa. And they will not stop until every infidel converts to Islam.
---Mark_V. on 10/28/10


"Valid points Always On, Alan. I will refrain from using the word All.


However, would you care to put a percentage on what terror acts are cause by Muslims.

Would you also be able to list what positive contributions Moslems have added to America verses what negative impact they had on our society in just the last 10 years alone. How would that scale look?" ~John

Thanks, John. My sole intent was to highlight the error of using the word "all". I appreciate your future effort to refrain from its use. No, I don't care to comment on percentages and contributions. Clearly, Muslim extremists are a threat to the world. Just don't like to see "all" judged for the evilness of "some".
---AlwaysOn on 10/28/10




John: Good points! 100% of the ENEMY who attacked US on 9-11 were wild-eyed, young, bearded, allah-shouting MUSLIMs. They shouldn't be that difficult to profile for extra security screening. That's the way they do it in Israel, and it works quite well. But our society has gone nuts with the religion of political correctness, and would rather inconvenience millions of innocents, and even allow thousands to die rather than be offensive to a single Muslim. How far we have descended!
---jerry6593 on 10/28/10


I support John's view. We know there is terrorist in this country. Everyone with a different reason for their rights. But what John has been talking about is a group of religious terrorist, who commit acts of terrorism all over the world for the purpose of destroying the way of life of others, to force Islam into thier countries. No other religious group in the world is trying to do that. They put fear first, and then take over. Islam has grown in the US to the point that one day it will be Americans committing those acts for Islam and people better wake up. What helps them is liberalism, those who believe that terrorist have their rights and fight for them even when they bomb our own people.
---Mark_V. on 10/28/10


Valid points Always On, Alan. I will refrain from using the word All.


However, would you care to put a percentage on what terror acts are cause by Muslims.

Would you also be able to list what positive contributions Moslems have added to America verses what negative impact they had on our society in just the last 10 years alone. How would that scale look?


OH Nurse, I'm still waiting for you to "Come Out" and answer my question.

This is the NO SPIN ZONE!
---John on 10/27/10


Leslie, you will notice that when I post "Yes, then the carnal ones will post "no": and when I post "No", then the carnal ones will post "yes". And the reason for this is because they are anti-, their separation from righteousness makes them disagree, they possess the spirit of anti-Christ dwelling within them, and because of their hard-hearts and stiff-necks they are not able to be in fellowship with us Christians nor with our Christ. Not until they repent from their sins and ask Christ for salvation will they ever be a part of the body of Christ.
---Eloy on 10/27/10


John, Hutaree is a new terrorist organization formed in 2008. This year, several members were arrested for their intent to commit terrorist acts.

Roeder murdered Dr. Tiller in 2009.

KKK and Aryan Nation groups are currently active all over the United States. While I refuse to visit their website, the Army of God appears to be hanging on. You'll recall one of their members mailing envelopes containing white powder purported to be anthrax to abortion providers after 9-11. Of course, it was terrorist Bruce Edwards Ivans who sent real anthrax to news organizations and senators.

I did not forget McVeigh, but intentionally chose to refute your point with a short list of modern-day non-Muslim terrorists.
---AlwaysOn on 10/27/10


John ... In Northern we face a resurgence of terrorism ... they are not Muslim

We have just had convicted here people who were committing terrorist acts in the name of the Animal Liberation front ... not a Muslim among them.

There are terrorist acts agains tChristian in India ... by Hindhus, who are not Muslim.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/27/10


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Always on...
PLEASE....................

I anticipated that response.

You forgot to add the every infamous Timothy McVay

Time to move your clock forward! Do a present day reality check.
---John on 10/27/10


"Not ALL Muslims are terrorists, but ALL terrorists are Muslims!" ~John

The Hutaree, the Army of God, the Klu Klux Klan, Scott Roeder, the Aryan Nation, etc. are all terrorists and not a single one is Muslim. In fact, they all claim to be Christian.
---AlwaysOn on 10/27/10


Juan Williams is a well- respected, well- travelled, politically liberal "commentator" (not "reporter') He knows, as we all do, that most Muslims wear business suits or other appropriate western dress much of the time.

He expressed a feeling he has when he sees Muslims in Muslims garb on an airplane. He was honest about his FEELINGS. (Which probably millions share after 9-11). He THEN made a point of saying that most Muslims are not radicals or terrorists!

I see NOTHING wrong with that.

Fortunately, channels like NPR with no tolerance for the discussion of opposing viewpoints, are losing viewers. It makes them very dull.
---Donna66 on 10/26/10


larry- Your view that "its still easier for an African-American to become president than for an African-American to anchor an evening news show on any broadcast or cable network " may be about to change.

Maybe it's as easy as being rejected by NPR.
Juan Williams just accepted a 2 million dollar contract with FOX and he is African American.
---Donna66 on 10/26/10


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Yes, Donna, I did. Yes he assumed they are muslims. and Yes, Actually I have seen non muslims wear galabiyyas. Williams made a judgment based on how people dress. I also work with many muslims who do NOT dress like that, but wear business suits, dresses and "western garb."

Interestingly enough, NPR apologized by the way it was handled, NOT that he was fired. It appears this is not the first time he has had run in with NPR administation. and he wasn't fired for this one thing. Williams was on the Diane Rehm show today, trying to explain how he never did anything wrong.

And YES he did.
---NurseRobert on 10/26/10


John, the media is not liberal but anti-establishment and negative -even in sports. The top radio programs are conservative, the most-watched cable networks are conservative, the internet is a level playing field and the so-called liberal big three networks aren't so big anymore and losing a million viewers a year.
This is a popular charge but baseless as its still easier for an African-American to become president than for an African-American to anchor an evening news show on any broadcast or cable network including the ones you watch. That's not liberal that's playing it safe status quo.
---larry on 10/26/10


Not ALL Muslims are terrorists, but ALL terrorists are Muslims!

So as the Liberal media has twisted our minds. Took the 911 footage off our TVs (Big Brother) have we now been so Brainwashed and concluded that the victims of 911 are Muslims?
---JOhn on 10/26/10


Nurse Robert -- Did you hear Juan Williams make his comments? I did.

His reasons for mentioning Muslim garb is because he assumes that those who dress that way are "devout" Muslims (of whom a few are terrorists). Have you ever seen non-Muslims wearing Galabiyyas?
(Actually "terrorists" prefer "western" garb to avoid suspicion)


He went on to say his fear is unreasonable. That we should NOT assume that all or even most Muslims are radical or intend us harm. But the "unbiased" NPR took no note of that.

Making hateful statements about groups OR individuals, I would expect to be below the "journalistic standards" of NPR.
Jaun did not violate THAT. Totenburg did.
---Donna66 on 10/26/10


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Nurse Robert--- ""he should be worried about what is going on in the good Lords mind, because if there is retributive justice he will get aids from a transfusion, or one of his grand kids will get it."


How is this DIFFERENT from wishing him ill?
(or is she saying she disagrees with God?)
---Donna66 on 10/26/10


Leslie, yes you are right.
---Eloy on 10/26/10


Williams based his belief on what people look like, not who they are.
NurseRobert on 10/25/10

CORRECTION NURSE ON YOUR LIBERAL DECEPTIVE LIE OF THE FACTS!!!

He DID NOT express his beliefs, but HIS FEELINGS!!!

Now ever so tolorant and understanding
Nurse. What are your feelings when you are in a dark ally with say.. Skinheads walking behind you or a Bikers behind you or Homies or anyone dressed in thug looking clothes.

Do you have fear??? Or... do you go up to them and hand the a Love Flower and a hug.

CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION HONESTLY?? (You may need to look HONESTLY up. It is not found in the PC dictionary of the Liberal Religious Cult)
---JOHN on 10/25/10


josef,
//Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Gal 6:1
---josef on 10/15/10///

I stand in agreement with you-Amen.
Blessing to you.
---char on 10/25/10


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Tell me Donna, what does a Muslim in Muslim garb look like? Williams based his belief on what people look like, not who they are. Should he have been fired for that? No, I don't think so, but Williams showed himself to be biased based on what people look like.

Should Totenberg have gotten fired for what she said? What do you see as the difference between the two? Someone who makes a generalized statement about an entire group of people or someone who made a statement about a single person?

I pay taxes to support NPR too, and I'm GLAD I do (I also contribute to them). I may not like what people say, but I like their programming and what they show.
---NurseRobert on 10/25/10


Donna Part II.


And after re listening to her post (which BTW, occurred in 1995) she said "he should be worried about what is going on in the good Lords mind, because if there is retributive justice he will get aids from a transfusion, or one of his grand kids will get it."

So how is that the same?
---NurseRobert on 10/25/10


Mary: "That one bothers me a lot, I'm sure God isn't advocating child abuse--so what does "beat" mean in that time?"

Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
---jerry6593 on 10/25/10


John, no problem. "thought police", no there's an old behavior, people worrying about what someone else may say about them. Noone can control what another person thinks and says, even if another person "forces" you to say what they want to hear, because the person forced as well as God and other people still know the truth, and what was "coerced in people's speech is not the truth." If the government was performing their duties honorably rather than crookedly than they would have no concern about what other people will say or think about them, because they would know that they were operatingly rightly in doing their job.
---Eloy on 10/25/10


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That one bothers me a lot, I'm sure God isn't advocating child abuse--so what does "beat" mean in that time?
---Mary on 10/24/10


"WHO LOVED THIS CHILD?"

Pro 23:13,14 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
---jerry6593 on 10/24/10


NPR dismissed Williams for saying he felt fear when encountering people flying in Muslim Garb. Of course, he expained at the same time, that Muslims in general are not to be feared because of the few terrorists.

This statement did not meet "NPR standards".
But their standards allow commentators to make sexual inuendos about the "tea baggers"
on the air. They allowed, without question, a commentator to wish AIDS on Jesse Helms AND his grandchilren as "just retribution" for his past positions.

I pay taxes to support this station. AND they don't meet MY standards.
---Donna66 on 10/23/10


Alan I doubt that it was planned.
He was doing rather well at NPR and his books, guest/public appearances, and his salary as a Foxnews contibutor all pay him well.

Besides,I can't see what he said would have been planned since it was very lame. If he wanted to quit and get this new job at Fox. I would have been easy.

He's popular.

It was a major exposure of just how radical and oppressive the "Ever-So-Tolorant" Liberals are.

THEIR MESSAGE... Be careful of what you think, the thought Police are watching you!!!

In Sweden they really do have a Thought Police Dept of 5000 Police officers mainly to sit at Churches and make sure they "Preach" Politically Correct Sermons.

Thanks Eloy!
---John on 10/23/10


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JOHN ... Are you sure that what happened to Juan William was not planned in advance? He seems to have done rather well out of it.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/23/10


John, So that post I wrote does not exist (DELETE IT!)??? Don't be so hard on yourself, for you must have had some logical reason for posting what you did.
---Eloy on 10/23/10


Alan, May I say that common courtesy, Respect and Decency, should be the trade mark for Christians.

That should never be confused from the repressive and deceptive aternative called Political Correctness. They are distinctly different.

PC fruits are inherently evil. Its very core is designed to repress free speech and free thought. Its purpose is to align humans to one world thought and pattern. Step out of line and your an outcast.

What happened to Juan William on National Public Radio this week is a classic example of Political Correctness. (Not sure you heard of him in the UK). Its big news in the States.
---JOHN on 10/22/10


John ... Yes I agree, and I do wish people would try to behave courteously on these blogs

See my blog about how to behave on the blogs, and you will see how irate people have got talking about that!
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/22/10


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Alan, Eloy,

Guys we're getting off topic here. I regret posting that analogy. I generally regret doing anologies in the first place since it beomes an opportunity to change the topic and argument. It allows opposing viewpoints to avoid the subject matter.

So that post I wrote does not exist (DELETE IT!).

NOW... Lets get back to Leslie Post!
---JOHN on 10/22/10


John, I do not know much about John Lennon's parenting methodology or skills, just that I vaguely recall that he was a singer and I think he had some liberal and political standings on some issues of the day.
---Eloy on 10/22/10


Eloy ... "Sinfully hitting the child"

There does come a time occasionally that it is necessary to punish a child. At age 3, they are not always sisceptible to reasoning, or to witdrawal of benefits.

I think in the circumsatnces, a slap is acceptable and appropriate, to let the child know that parent is upset, the child has doen wrong. Parent can explain why, and it will hopefully uinderstand. It does of course depend on what you mean by slap!!

I agree wtih you ablut parent A To start with, who "tried"?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/21/10


Eloy,

I admit it wasn't my best analogy.

It was written to demonstrate the difference between the Love of G-d and the humanistic emotional "Politically Correct" deception of love offered by Leslie.

And of course John Lennon. Who is celebrating his birthday with a barbeque.

Except he is on the grill right now.
Can you "IMAGINE" !!!
---JOHN on 10/21/10


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John, You do not provide adequate information to make an informed decision for parent "A", you say parent "A" tried. But tried what? hugs, kisses, words of encouragemnt...or running after the child to save it from being hit in the street...or what? But you have offered adequate information on parent "B", parent "B" expressed no love, but instead hate in misbehaving by sinfully hitting the child.
---Eloy on 10/21/10


WHO LOVED THIS CHILD?

A 3 year starts to run acrossed the street.

1) Parent "A" euligized the child at her grave, because she tried.

2) Parent "B" grabs and spanks the child. So she remembers not to attempt that again.


And so G-d and Christians express Love!

Not the "PC" pseudo humanism love of John "Imagine" Lennon.
---John on 10/20/10


The key sentence here is "Is it because people are not walking in love?" Yes there is a great divide in the understanding of "walking in love" with Christ and without Christ.

When a Christian walks in love with Christ, his duty is plain and simple - to speak the TRUTH whenever the Gospel is preached. And if speaking the TRUTH seems "harsh", it is because only the "truth will set you free".

And this is the truth: We have all sinned against God and if we do not repent of our sins and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ, we will be walking through the "wide gate that leads to destruction". Harsh? I think not, for it is our of love in Christ that this message is preach to all mankind.
---christan on 10/20/10


Mima.

Nit Picking???

It doesn't change my post.

I can list thousands of other incidences if you wish! We ARE limited to 125 words.

There is a lot of evidence Paul did just that,
But go ahead I will give you that one. The post remains the same.
---John on 10/20/10


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Rob, I respect your choice to be cold. Like I have said before, it is each person's free choice as to which eternal destination they will abide in. For it is your own free choice to remain separated, and to remain no part of my family nor of the body of Christ.
---Eloy on 10/20/10


---John you wrote,"When Paul jumped Peters face and CURSED him out?" I do not want to accuse you of the adding to the Bible but I failed to find where the term "cursed him out" is at in Scripture .
---mima on 10/20/10


Leslie, I surmise you are not Christian and are ingnorant of our faith.

Political or(as you call it)"biblical" correctness is the scripture of the Religious Cult of Liberalism.

Where in the bible do you see political correctness?

When Jesus flip the tables over at the Temple? When Paul jumped Peters face and cursed him out? When Jesus called Peter Satan?... or when Samuel chopped up King Agag to pieces? Perhap when Jael drove a tent stake through Cisero skull as it was stuck to the ground.

I believe you think (like most Liberals) the Bible is a book about Love.

IT'S DEFINITELY NOT!!!

Don't equate Christianity with the "PC" Liberal Cult "I'm ok,You're ok" Mantra.
---John on 10/19/10


Eloy, it seems you know what is written in Romans 1:18-32 very well.

Yet, looking at some of the things you have posted on these BLOGS in the past, I am so very thabkful I am not a part of your body but I am A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.
---Rob on 10/19/10


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While reasearching material for a parenting book I'm writing, I came to a bit of information concerning two types of discipline: one with a loving heart and, two, with an angry heart. Even Jesus got angry a couple of times and even said some harsh words, but he did it with a loving heart to put shame to the people. That shame many times turns to thinking.

A few people on these blogs would think that I "get unglued" or that I am angry concerning my replies. On the contrary, if I replied to them in person, they would think otherwise. All I do is plant a seed of bible truth and have them discern what I say by looking it up in the bible. The burdon of proof is on them.
---Steveng on 10/19/10


Yes, birds of a feather flock together: dissers with dissers, and Christians with Christians. I think it is wonderful how a nonChristian disses me, and then they can presume that they are of my body and of my family and are Christian.
---Eloy on 10/19/10


I too agree with what StronAxe said.

I am reminded of something Mark Twain said. "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."

And someting I heard a preacher say once. "The person you cannot help is the one who says "God told me."
---Bruce5656 on 10/19/10


I concur with Jerry. StrongAxe hit the nail on the head with one strike! With utmost humility, may we all heed proper form in correcting and being corrected.
Often I find my son has turned off his ears to a truth that I am over-aggressively hammering home for the 20th time in a 30 minute span.
I'm still not sure, but I think he heard and understood my message on the 17th!
---Legends on 10/19/10


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Axey: Great Post!!!
---jerry6593 on 10/19/10


Some of you people on these blogs have a very poor understanding of things spiritual. Sure the bible is right and true, we all know this. But some things take time to develop. We can be saved and not delivered from certain sins. It is a process. Sometimes, like the children of Israel, It takes forever to learn a lesson. That is why we are to be patient and loving toward those who have not progresses as we may have. We will be dealing with these type things until Jesus comes. We will never have an ideal situation or world as long as we live upon this Earth.
This is why we are told in the Word, as well. Not to judge each other. If we do just that "one thing" we all could get along better.
---Robyn on 10/18/10


The word of God says that because iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold.
The arogant attitudes and the way it leads to contests about who knows the most is bearing witness unto that as well as the hateful answers.
The scribes and pharisees knew the word of God better than any Gentile and they didn't even recognize Christ.
How much less the Gentiles that are only out to impress others rather than teach or warn in love.
---Frank on 10/15/10


Mark V,
Brother, you have encouraged me in quite a few replies, and I appreciate that very much. That is the remedy for harshness.

To all,
We may not agree on certain scriptural points, but keep in mind that there is only one issue that Paul said is so important that someone with any other view is to be accursed, and that's the gospel - by faith in Jesus' atoning work on our behalf. Not by works or our will or anything else. I will always question someone's salvation if they say we are redeemed by asking Jesus into our hearts, or getting baptized, obeying, or any other human effort.

But questioning someone's salvation because they disagree on the gifts of the Spirit, or whether we go to casinos or drink, etc is OUT OF LINE.
---James_L on 10/15/10


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I think ""The wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and good deeds. It shows no partiality and is always sincere." Jam 3:17
Father children "must not speak evil of anyone, and they must avoid quarreling. Instead, they should be gentle and show true humility to everyone." Tts 3:2
"So get rid of all malicious behavior and deceit. Don't just pretend to be good! Be done with hypocrisy and jealousy and backstabbing." 1Pe 2:1
Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Gal 6:1
---josef on 10/15/10


casey gave an excellent response,I would add look at the history of the early church, the apostles were treated harshly,jesus himself said we as believers would be persecuted because he was. I would say do everything in love and be committed to following jesus remembering that your reward is in heaven,not in this world.
---tom2 on 10/15/10


I love buckwheat pancakes, but i hate it when the syrup touches my bacon.

Huh?

i love other christians, but I hate it when denominational-ism touches the meat of the scripture. So, things that i say might be construed as harsh to the sticky and sweet doctrines that ruin the taste of sound doctrine.

i used to know a woodworker. he could not finish his work without sanding which is abrasive. my ex mother-in-law could not get her trees to grow without pruning (which hurts).

Do you really consider this harsh? When christians turn on disciples, they want to behead me and imprison my family, that i consider harsh.
---aka on 10/14/10


Here's one from God, His own holy lips: "None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies, They conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity....on down to verse 18>>>According to their deeds, so He will repay, wrath to His adversaries, recompense to His enemies, [you can count on this] to the coast lands, He will make recompense. I cannot tell you how I enjoy the book of Isaiah. Ha, Ha, He. [Isaiah 59:4 AND 18]
---catherine on 10/14/10


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There are not only Christians posting on this site, but there are NonChristians who post on this site, and you will know them by their fruits. A nonChristian will produce rotten fruit, and the Christian produces good fruit. That is just the way it is, until the sinner converts their words will remain without Christ.
---Eloy on 10/14/10


We are supposed to speak the truth in love.

If someone says something wrong, it is appropriate to point out their error without condemnation (i.e. "here is a Bible verse that says the opposite"), or ask them to justify their claim (since the Bible always demands two or three witnesses to establish any truth).

It is NOT appropriate to hurl unfounded accusations at people calling them heretics, apostates, unsaved, full of darkness, etc.

We are also supposed to "do unto others as we would have them do unto us". I happily point out other people's mistakes, and I'm equally happy when people point out my own, since I grow whenever I discard an erroneous belief. But accusations and condemnations benefit no one.
---StrongAxe on 10/14/10


To put staying close to God in a Bible verse Galatians 5:16 This I say then walk in the Spirit,and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:25,26 If we live in the Spirit let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory,provoking one another,envying one another. Sometimes people hold an exalted view of their place with God,therefore they consider themselves to be the judge of all those beneath them. Romans 12:3 For by the grace given me,I say to everyone of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought,but rather think of yourself with sober judgement,in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. No Christian,no matter how close to God,is ever high enough to look down on others.
---Darlene_1 on 10/14/10


Harsh posts come from various root causes. What you think is harsh may be someone who is bold enough to speak the truth in love. People these days are slow to hear the truth, and are not getting sound doctrine from the Churches. Also many become knowledgeable, which leads to pride. So you have a combination of those that know, and are giving good answers that are not what people want to hear, and poeople that either give a good or bad, answer but because of love growing cold they can't answer in a way that is loving and shows concern. We need to discern what the difference is between condemning, and correction.
---Casey on 10/13/10


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James L, what you say is very true indeed. What I find even worse is when you disagree with one person on one topic, and that person follows you in every blog where you are been oppose by others on different topics and they join the pack in trying to slander you. Some stopped for awhile, but it's in their nature already, they will do it again.
And it really happens as you say James,
" when you pointed out that their position could not be defended on the basis of scripture." The truth of the gospel goes out the door, and their comments are direct at you personally. They want you to apologize to them. And complain in front of everyone just to keep face. As for Leslie, she didn't like my answers from Scripture either.
---MarkV. on 10/14/10


Why are there such harsh posts?

Leslie, you should know the answer to that one. Do you not know yourself and why you do the things you do? Some of the most hurtful posts I've read came from you in a discussion about speaking in tongues. Although you did not use names, they were clearly directed at a few who pointed out that your position could not be defended on the basis of scripture.

Why do you have such harsh posts sometimes?
---James_L on 10/13/10


-- Leslie :

Sister, Biblical correction starts with first casting-out the beam in our own eye, so that we may see clearly to pull-out the mote that is in our Brother's eye b/c what we perceive as being in our Brother's eye could just be something still in our own eye...

A Wise man covers the faults of others while a fool displays them for all to see !!!

Use hospitality one to another without grudging and above all things have fervent Charity among yourselves: for Charity shall cover the multitude of sinful faults.
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/13/10


Robyn ... All Christians here agree that Christ died for us.

That is the great Truth/Faith. That should unite us.

And we should be able to discuss in peace small details & our own varying understandings that lie within that Truth/Faith ... such as predestination/freewill, tithing/ which day to worship/ can saints intercede for us, etc.

It would be fine if those remained discussions ... but what do we see here ... inflamed rants, accusations, so much anger, false witness, personal abuse.

That I think is the harshness the questioner refers to
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/13/10


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I totally disagree with Geraldine's post. Sometimes harshness is what needed to get people's attention. People believe christians are spineless, wimpy creatures. Stupid and have to do certain things. From from the truth,my dear. Strength and wisdom comes from telling the truth and it can be delivered harshly,sometimes. It is called "tough love". Even though we are admonished to do all things in love. In love means many things and takes many forms. Sometimes people act a certain way towards Christians because they believe we will take anything. No way! I am a christian but telling it like it is, is not pretty,sometimes. The truth can be hurtful and scary. . But we must face the truth, in order to grow.
---Robyn on 10/13/10


Which posts are you talking about?

There are some here who claim to be mouthpieces of God Himself who post things that are clearly not Biblical, or even accurate. Are their statements to be left unchallenged?
---Cluny on 10/13/10


Harshness arises from the frustration of wanting to KNOW everything without needing to TRUST. So anger results. This morning sitting at the computer, a small earthquake struck our state, and rocked me back and forth a few seconds. I felt a strong sense of God's presence, man's thoughts became small to me. The closer to God, the less harshness.
---Geraldine on 10/13/10


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