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What Are End-Time Delusions

What are end-time delusions? What is been said that is not scriptural? And who started those delusions? Passages please for making your point. And history for those who made the delusions.

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One of the delusions that I know is that Trav and some others believe if you belong to one of the tribes of Israel, you will be saved....---Mark_V. on 12/25/10

Well, you can't ever find where I've said or even alluded to that statement you've made above. You dig the deepest twist pits then fall into them yourself. Helllllooo down there.

I've pointed that the covenants were too ALL Israel...Nth and Sth Houses. He came for his own (Judah)...they would have him not. The divorced North House would...did...will...have. As evidenced.
Scripture is not understood properly until the missing is found. If you were a sheep...you'd be overjoyed by truth/Gospel instead of vehement and goatish.
---Trav on 12/27/10


Kathr, you speak words with no Truth. You said,
"No where does God say a Jew without a circumcised heart becomes a Gentile."

"For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law, but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. Therefore, if an uncircumcised man (a gentile) keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly," nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh, but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter, whose praise is not from men but from God" (Romans, 2:17, 25-26, 28-29).
---Mark_V. on 12/27/10


Anybody, including Mr. Beza, can be right in some things and wrong in others.

In any case, Mr. Beza's text is that that accepts as authoritative by the Orthodox Church.
---Cluny on 12/26/10


If Theodore Beza was a false teacher, then why do KJV-only teachers confirm that the KJV was translated from Theodore Beza's Greek New Testament 1598?

Please be more careful with your words.

Fortunately, Saint Theodore Beza is a true teacher.

The Geneva New Testament was Translated out of Greek by Theodore Beza. This is the best English translation that I've ever read (1557, 1560, 1576, and 1599).

Fare well Christians
---Kev on 12/25/10


And, for KJV-onlyites to ignore that and not regard Theodore Beza as a true teacher... that's the end-time delusions.
---Kev on 10/22/10

Kev, THAT is the end time delusion..that Theodore Beza was a true Teacher.
And tlook at all those today deluded with that lie...
---kathr4453 on 12/25/10




To God, he is a Gentile. ( Romans 2:17, 25-26, 28-29).There is two kinds of Jews. There is Jewish people in the flesh, and there is Jewish people in Spirit. markV//

That is what Mormons believe using GENTILE as a derogatory term.

No where does God say a Jew without a circumcised heart becomes a Gentile.

Talk about reading into something not there.

YOU markv are NOT a spiritual Jew..

Jesus said you are a NEW CREATURE, no longer Jew OR Gentile. If you're neither why do you kep saying your a spiritual Jew.

Not even Colossians ch 2 REAL CIRCUMCISION makes that statement.
---kathr4453 on 12/25/10


One delusion is that The Church, the BOC, somehow becomes replacement or spiritual Israel
---michael_e on 12/25/10


One of the delusions that I know is that Trav and some others believe if you belong to one of the tribes of Israel, you will be saved. Now that is a delusion. Natural lineage alone does not get anyone into heaven. Without faith and a connection with God, no one is going in no matter the tribe or tribes they belong to or even if you don't belong to any tribe. Someone who is "called a Jew" because he is a physical descendant of Abraham, and yet who lives as a lawbreaker, is "not a Jew" His 'circumcision has become uncircumcision. To God, he is a Gentile. ( Romans 2:17, 25-26, 28-29).There is two kinds of Jews. There is Jewish people in the flesh, and there is Jewish people in Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 12/25/10


Jack, something is wrong with you. I never stopped caring for those who are lost. I preach the truth, the gospel of their salvation. I didn't write Scripture, God inspired writers. I did not make the plan, He did. I do not reveal the Truth, the Holy Spirit does. I present the Truth. If they reject it, it's their choice, whatever choice they make, it's already known by God. All things are subject to His immediate control: "all things" are moving in accord with His eternal purpose, and therefore, "all things" are "working together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose" It must be so, for "of Him and through Him, and to Him are all things" Rom. 11:36.
---Mark_V. on 12/24/10


What are end time delusions concerning the end times. Give Scripture you have for an answer and why.\\

...important or God would not have told us to study them in Revelation.\\
---Kev on 12/19/10

A couple of biggie's. Jews do not equal all 12 nations of Israel. Jews, calling themselves jews may not be Judah.
Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
---Trav on 12/21/10




Christ-like Reminder:

The poster of the original question wrote the following on 10/15/10

\\I will clear my question up. What are end time delusions concerning the end times. Post trib, pre-trip and med-trip. Where did they begin and what is truth. A topic I know many like to talk about. Please, no condemnations against anyone for whatever they say. For many have different views. Give Scripture you have for an answer and why.\\

And also, \\I'm hoping no one condemns anyone for answering one way. This subjects on the Second Coming of Christ and all things that happen at that time are really important or God would not have told us to study them in Revelation.\\
---Kev on 12/19/10


That was a good one Elder!

Yep. We're in one heck of a Heaven here.

Having a great time!
---John on 12/16/10


John asked, "1. The two witnesses already came
---Kev on 12/14/10
Who are they?"
John it doesn't take much to see falsehood when someone like Kev issues it.
He wrote like a 1557 Geneva New Testament led to the belief that the two witnesses had all ready come. So giv'em 7 years.., that's 1564. Then a thousand year reign makes it 1664....
Throw in another "thou" for good measure and that's 1764. So we must be in heaven now huh?
We went off of the Gold standard in 1933 and the silver standard in 1964 so even heaven must be having to cut back.
What'a think?
Kev are you with us?
Com'on now, are you in that "other" place? Are ya gonna be?
---Elder on 12/16/10


1. The two witnesses already came
---Kev on 12/14/10

Who are they?
---John on 12/14/10


The 1557 Geneva New Testament has THE EPISTLE DECLARING THAT CHRIST is the end of the Lawe, By Iohn Caluin.

In English.


Facts

1. The two witnesses already came

2. Christ shall reign a thousand year (for euer) in Reuelation 20:4, 6

3. The Church is in Reuelation 20:8-9 right now

4. The Ottoman Turks are everywhere in Europe, Constantinople (now Turkey), and the West in general. [So much for thinking that Gog and Magog are Russians.]

5. Sources, a really old Bible translation and a very famous Christian book from the 1500s (which includes Methodius' writings).


Christ's second coming is imminent- could be today.
---Kev on 12/14/10


The true Gospel is the Kingdom of God.

This is what Jesus and the apostles preached. They also preached about how to get there. They also proved who they are by performing miracles. This is what today's christians are suppose to preach - and do. Not just be hearers of the word as most christians do every week for an hour. We are to populate the Kingdom of God by bringing people to God.
---Steveng on 10/24/10


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2 THESSALONIANS 2:11 AND for this cause GOD shall SEND them a strong DELUSION,that they should believe a lie.

To understand This go back 2 THESSALONIANS 2,1 - 2:2 That the day of CHIRST is at hand

Next 2:3 Shall come a fallen away ( False gospels) that the man of sin be REVEALED, the son of perdition (satan)HE is REVEALED Because the true believes will Know these are false gospels.

2:4 exalleth himself above all that is call GOD --- in the temple of GOD , Shewing himself to be GOD.SITTETH in the TEMPLE of GOD.( satan in in the churches with the false gospels - SITTETH is to RULE ) the people are thinking there worshipping God but there worrshipping satan

END OF PART ONE
---RICHARD on 10/24/10


"depends absolutely on the will, counsel, pleasure and work of God alone"

So the consignment of the majority of the human race to everlasting torment, because they behave as God intended them to be made, and H ehas given them no chance to repent ... is for God's pleasure!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/24/10


PART 2

2 THESSALONIANS 2:10 AND all Deceivableness in them that perish, BECAUSE they Received NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH.that they MIGHT BE save. ( THESE people want there false gospels, so GOD gives Them a Strong Delusion, To Believe there gospel is right.

OTHER VERSES THAT GO WITH THIS

1 PETER 4,17 FOR a time is come that judgement must begin at the house of the LORD.
2 TIMOTHY 4:3 For a time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine

---RICHARD on 10/24/10


I agree with---MarkV. on 10/23/10
---mima on 10/24/10


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God promises His Grace to the Humble. But a man cannot be thoroughly humble till he realises that his salvation is utterly beyond his own powers, counsels, efforts, will and works, and depends absolutely on the will, counsel, pleasure and work of God alone. As long as he is persuaded that he can make even the smallest contribution to his salvation, he remains self-confident and does not utterly despair of himself, an so is not humbled before God, but plans out for himself (or at least hopes for ) a position, a work, which shall bring him final salvation. They resist the humiliation and condemn the teaching of despair. They want a little something left that they can do for themselves. Secretly they continue proud, and enemies of the Grace of God.
---MarkV. on 10/23/10


Commentaries & websites that try to tell you how to interpret the Word are delusions.
Too many books trying to tell you us how to study the real Word

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth.
---michael_e on 10/23/10


The Gospel is Christ crucified.. any other Gospel is false. We are saved because of HIM.
Dont claim to know more, or your way of believing is superior than your brothers.
Be humble, everything we have is IN HIM.
HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
---duane on 10/23/10


I love the Geneva Bible and its Calvinism. It's the real Gospel.

It's so very unfortunate that many free will KJV-onlyites fail to see this. That, the 1633 Textus Receptus printed by the Elzevirs is what KJV-onlyites allow. In reality, the 1633 Textus Receptus is really suppose to be a reprint of Robert Estienne's and Theodore Beza's Greek New Testament (based on Erasmus'). Calvinist Theodore Beza preached the Gospel, and was a close friend of Iohn Caluin. Robert Estienne published Caluin's book, The Institution of the Christian Religion in Geneva (1550s). It was these men that published the Greek New Testament.

And, for KJV-onlyites to ignore that and not regard Theodore Beza as a true teacher... that's the end-time delusions.
---Kev on 10/22/10


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I agree with what---JackB on 10/22/10 had to say.
---mima on 10/22/10


If whosoever will does not mean whosoever will but whosoever God wills, then it is not whosoever but God. God has willed and extended salvation to all men through Christ and His work. The proclamation of that good news is from faith (the measure) to saving faith. The Holy Spirit uses that message to show a man his unbelief in Christ. Every man every day chooses to believe whether something spoken is true, all the way from what he hears on the morning news to what he hears from a doctor. When confronted with the gospel, that choice is there along with the witness of the Spirit that it is truth. Denial or acceptance is the choice. The choice itself is not the power to save. It is the response to love.
---Linda on 10/22/10


//Instead of complaining about God chosing some, you should thank God He chose you, and that you only deserved death.// - MarkV

Its one thing to be thankful to God for what He has done for us. All of us have this.

Its another thing to be so content with your own salvation that you stop caring about saving the rest of the world as well.

Its something that God puts in the heart of every true believer in Christ because He tasted death for EVERY SINGLE PERSON out there.

If you dont have this deep desire then something is terribly wrong.
---JackB on 10/22/10


I know a couple of end-time delusions that have existed ever since I got saved.

1) Tongues are not for today.

2) The gifts of the Holy Spirit operated 2,000 years ago, not today (which is a lie from the pit of hell).

3) Once saved, always saved.

4) Lovers of money, lovers of self, etc., and people don't even realize it.

5) So many people THINK they're going to heaven and they haven't even asked Father God, "Lord, am I going to make it" they just assume they are. That's NOT what Jesus said...the gate is NARROW that leads to life and FEW are those who find it. Jesus also said in that same scripture, that the PATH is also narrow...not just the gate.
---Donna5535 on 10/22/10


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As for the one's who speak against God choosing them, I say, you claim you are saved too, and since you do you are also included with others who are chosen and know they are. Instead of complaining about God chosing some, you should thank God He chose you, and that you only deserved death.
Instead of speaking so highly for your free will, you should be speaking highly on God's free will. No one in the world is autonomous but God. We are free, but there are limits to our freedom. The Ultimate limit is the sovereignty of God. If God is sovereign which we know He is, man cannot possibly be autonomous. If man is autonomous, God cannot possibly be sovereign, That is a contradiction.
---MarkV. on 10/22/10


Many will find the end time delusions in the Day of the Lord, when they discover that they had the wrong gospel. They will profess to God at the Great White Throne of Judgment, they used their own free will to allow God to be their God. That Paul was wrong when he said, that without the Spirit endwelling a believer, no one lost can please God. They will suggest to God they are different, that they did do something to please Him, by using their own free will to choose Him. Now that is a very big end time delusion.
So ask youself one question, are you saved by what you did, or are you saved by what God did? It is your soul.
---MarkV. on 10/22/10


Here is a comment for the centuries from those who claim they are saved by their own free will,
You cant have unity among those who believe they were hand picked by God to be saved."

What they imply is,

"you can only have unity among those who believe they hand picked God to be save"
Talk about boasting.
---MarkV. on 10/22/10


You cant have unity among those who believe they were hand picked by God to be saved. Those who believe they are gifted with things that other people who THINK they are Christians dont really have.

Leading people to salvation takes a back seat to the desire to be known by all those around them as the chosen and enlightened of God. Its the error that the Pharisees made and its the same one that these new chosen people are making. Its a sin of vanity and pride. With their words they honor God, but their hearts are far from Him. Remember what happened to the Jews....

Christ himself could set foot on earth and tell them they are wrong and his words would enrage them the same way they did the Scribes and Pharisees.
---JackB on 10/21/10


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My "complaints" that you say I do are not compaints, but observations.

MarkV: "What does it cost you to just answer the questions and see what Others have to say? God."

If I were a newly born christian and stumbled upon these blogs, I would throw my hands into the air, not to praise God, but in disgust and ask "Where is the unity?" "Where is the one in spirit?" Instead he sees as many different interpretations of one topic as there are posters.

Living a christian life is complicated in these end times. Where is the simple truth? Only the words of Christ which is found only in the KJV bible.
---Steveng on 10/21/10


MarkV: "Steven, There is nothing wrong with showing someone the Truth when they are wrong about an opinion, and you have been wrong on many."

Prove biblically that I'm wrong on anything I post.

MarkV: "You complain about the Churches because someone did not help you once..."

That isn't the reason I have something against churches. You took my posts out of context which shows you do the same for bible verses.
---Steveng on 10/21/10


My "complaints" that you say I do are not compaints, but observations.

MarkV: "[Steveng] complain about the Bible having numbers."

Verse numbers began a few hundred years ago. They force the reader to take things out of context. They force the reader to analyze every verse they come to instead of the shole context. Do you write personal letters having verse numbers?

MarkV: "[ You] complain that others use material from someone to learn how to interpret Scripture..."

Walk into any christian bookstore and notice the different views of the rapture, for instance. (read Colossians 2:8-10)
---Steveng on 10/21/10


Let me open up the floor for all the reprisals.

I am a Preterist but I do not believe in a separate "rapture" event. Instead, I believe in the physical return of Jesus at the sixth/seventh seal of Revelation 6:12-17. This is before the start of the actual Tribulation and is shown by the great multitude around Jesus in Rev 7:9-17.

I also believe that the sixth seal is described in Matt 24:29-31 and that it coincides with the battle of Gog/Magog described in Eze 38-39. That battle ends with an earthquake and God magnifying Himself to the nations and the people of Israel burying the enemies dead for 7 months and living off their stuff for 7 years. Hmm, 7 years, curious number.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/21/10


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Steven, There is nothing wrong with showing someone the Truth when they are wrong about an opinion, and you have been wrong on many. You complain about the Churches because someone did not help you once, complain about the Bible having numbers, complain that others use material from someone to learn how to interpret Scripture, and now want to tell everyone about how terrible they are because they don't do things as you like, so you bring up the topic of the Sabbath, which has nothing whatsoever to do with pri-trib, post-trib. What does it cost you to just answer the questions and see what Others have to say? Nothing at all. You want to get into the Sabbath go to those blogs.
---MarkV. on 10/20/10


\\Interesting. Because the 1557 Geneva New Testament has THE EPISTLE DECLARING THAT CHRIST is the end of the Lawe, By Iohn Caluin.

The work and translation of the Geneva Bible was done under Iohn Caluin's close supervision, to the glory of God.\\

Jean Chauvin did NOT speak English.

And why are you using weird and non-standard orthography, such as the vowel U for the consonant V?
---Cluny on 10/20/10


MarkV: "...people jump on what someone says all the time just to start an argument."

That sounds familiar. It takes one to know one, eh?
---Steveng on 10/19/10


\\Jean Chauvin did NOT translate ethe Geneva Bible.

Nor was he translated into heaven. His body ROTS in Geneva.\\ (Cluny)

Interesting. Because the 1557 Geneva New Testament has THE EPISTLE DECLARING THAT CHRIST is the end of the Lawe, By Iohn Caluin.

The work and translation of the Geneva Bible was done under Iohn Caluin's close supervision, to the glory of God.


Can we now return to the topic of Reuelation without railing on a deceased person? Thank you.
---Kev on 10/19/10


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\\The living God, my God, is still in the saving business. \\

You're right, catherine.

They are both still in business.

But they are clearly NOT the same.
---Cluny on 10/19/10


Why point fingers at other people you all suffering from delusions. You are delusional! Now, lets get our minds straight. The living God, my God, is still in the saving business. NO sane person wants to go to HELL! Hallelujah.. "There are many professional unbelievers, just like I am a professional believer", so saith the Lord, to me. Ah Jesus.+ BECAUSE, HE LIVES. HALlelujah
---catherine on 10/19/10


I will try and answer all your questions: Hallelujah. THE WICKED started these delusions, because they chose EVIL. God called and no one answered Him. He will send delusions upon the wicked. False delusions will be your cup of tea, my friends. When God comes a calling, answer Him. Go with me to 2 THESS. 2:11: "For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will BELIEVE WHAT IS FALSE". And, this one for all the hypocrites, who goes to church: Is. 66:1-4: "Merely going through the outward form of ritual religion is nothing more a series of delusions". AhhJesus+
---catherine on 10/19/10


Steven, you are on the topic of the Sabbath. While the Sabbath is mention in Rev. it has nothing whatsoever to do with how the end times come about, whether it is pre-trib, post-trip or mid-trip. I discerned very well what you said. My post was to get what others thought about the Second Coming of Christ, the Day of the Lord, and if Christians went through tribulation and what passages to indicate what they believe. I also mentioned not to criticize anyone. The reason I said that is that on the blogs that ask for someone's testimonies, people jump on what someone says all the time just to start an argument. We already know what you believe about churches, the Sabbath and bibles, and people not having a relationship with Christ.
---MarkV. on 10/19/10


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Mark V, I am on topic, but you did not recognize it. I wrote what the bible says about the end-time delusion and how christians can learn from it by keeping the Sabbath - getting away from the knowledge of God to getting to know him personally and that takes walking with him on his day. The end times are upon us.

By the way, if you knew me personally you would know that I never get "unglued." Every person I know can attest that I'm the most content person they know. Whatever I post I just plant the seed. It's up to you to figure out (discern) if what I say is the truth if if I'm a fool.
---Steveng on 10/18/10


\\the two Protestant witnesses, Reuelation 20:4,6 translated by Iohn Caluin (the Geneva Bible),\\

Jean Chauvin did NOT translate ethe Geneva Bible.

Nor was he translated into heaven. His body ROTS in Geneva.
---Cluny on 10/18/10


STeven G, I do not know where and why you came out with your accusations. All I asked was for you to stay on this topic of end times, nothing more, and you came ungluded. You are so ready to jump on someone. I said no condemnation, for that very reason. In case someone believed one way, that others could ask them why and give Scripture. Many have not heard of certain things so it might help them. It could help me also that is why I posted the question. If you cannot give what you believe about end times just go to another post. You want to talk about the Sabbath, I said for you to go those blogs. That was all. You don't have to answer the question or give scripture.
---Mark_V. on 10/17/10


"The enemy is the deciever.He convinced the 1/3 of heaven host-angels to rebel-fallen.Rev12
He begiled Eve in the garden-now-working on-son's of God-here on earth-in flesh.
HIS DELUSION?...He believes He's superior to Christ-will come as false-messiah and groom-for the chaste virgin bride.
THE DELUSION?...some will believe-falling again.
---char on 3/9/10" AMEN.
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the church."
---josef on 10/17/10


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The Protestant Reformation was so much more than most Christians today really realizes. Why this statement?

Well, did the disciples immediately recognize Iohn the Baptist as Elias the prophet? At first glance? (Matt. 17:10-13)

How about the passage of Luke 24:15-32? Did the disciples perceive immediately?

Two-hundred ninety four years of the Tribulation, the two Protestant witnesses, Reuelation 20:4,6 translated by Iohn Caluin (the Geneva Bible), and the tents of the Saintes and the Beloued city in Reuelation 20:8-9... the real truth about these things are maruelous. Maruelous!

The powerful verse Luke 17:21 says, Neither shall men say, Lo here, or lo there: for beholde the kingdome of God is within you.
---Kev on 10/17/10


Mark_V: "Steven G, ...What are you and why?"

You have brought shame upon the truth and accused servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, of doing good what is bad in your eyes. I have put on the whole armour of God to protect myself during these end times, having the belt of truth, the breastplate of righteousness, the shield of faith, the helmet of salvation, the sword of the Spirit that I am able to quench all the wicked darts you have thrown at me. What am I? I am your worse nightmare. Why? To pierce your heart with the truth, with righteousness, with faith, with salvation, with sword of the Spirit.

I am a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ who has counted me worthy to preach the gospel of God.
---Steveng on 10/17/10


Mark_V: "Steven G, you might as well join the others who defend the Sabbath Saturday on their blogs... Give Scripture."

Why bother giving verses, you'll find some way to discredit the truth.

christians today fill up every minute of every day with family, friends, work, school, vacations, shopping, church, bible study, entertainment, computers, ipods, (and the list goes on and on), but never finding time with God. The true Sabbath is a time to spend quality time with him and is needed more today than any time in history.
---Steveng on 10/16/10


Is our salvation depended upon what doctrinal beliefs we hold or by faith in Christ?

All the things that francis stated can be defended by exegetics of Scripture by those who hold such beliefs.

I believe that it is those who are the legalist who would stand in judgement of other Christians are the ones to whom Christ would say 'depart from me you who are evil, for I never knew you'. Mt. 7,23
---leej on 10/16/10


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1: that the rapture will occur before the tribulation
2: that christ will come before the tribulation
3: That those " left behind" will get a second chance
4: That Christ will reign 1000 years on earth
5: That the church wiull secretlybe raptured and some left behind
6: that all nations wil attack physical israel.
7: the the kings of the east means the current eastern nation like china

Yes mark I am saying all of these are false end time teachings, which lead many into delusion because they will not believe the truth. thus people who believe these things will be lost.
---francis on 10/16/10


Steven G, you might as well join the others who defend the Sabbath Saturday on their blogs. This one is for what you believe about the pre-trib, post-trib, and mid-trip. What are you and why? Give Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/10


Honestly, I am quite amazed that Calvinists (and or Protestants) seldom read Iohn Caluin's most perfect Bible translation, the Geneva Bible. Iohn Caluins, Theodore Bezas, and Francis Iunius theology concerning the end times really tells the truth.

The Anglican Bishops Bible 1568, 1611 KIV, and 1885 RV (the foundation of modern versions) are the end time delusions. It is these translations that add ''s'' to thousand yere in Reuelation 20:4 and 6. That's why Christians today are mistaken about the 1,000 years of millennial reign. Truthfully, Iohn Caluin translated and taught in Reuelation 20:4,6 that Christ shall reign a thousand yere. That is, for euer.
Once that is understood, now serious conversations about the end times can resume.
---Kev on 10/15/10


The delusion is...

when people think they are christian but they are not. And it will be the tribulation that will separate the wheat from the chaff, the christians from the christians who are not. Even today terror has put a firm grip upon the world. It is this grip that puts fear within the hearts of christians, fearing the world instead of fearing God. It is this fear that cause the great falling away from the church. While God is pouring out his spirit throughtout the world, no one is listening. Even the elect can be fooled into believing this delusion if it were possible.

Don't just have knowledge of God, get to know him personally by observing his Sabbath.
---Steveng on 10/15/10


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In the book "Revelation - Four Views" by Gregg, each of the views of end times is examined -the preterist, the historicist, the futurist, and the idealist. What we find is that all too often the preterist view often makes far more sense than other interpretations.

The futurist view as illustrated by the Left Behind subscribers often does not always fit the text.

Since support can be garnished for each of the viewpoints, we can only recognize the strengths and weaknesses of each position making it difficult to be fully supportive of any one view alone.

The delusions can be from refusing to recognize that events are from God, that all things are derived from a natural order.
---leej on 10/15/10


\\Preterist who do not teach that GOD can foretell the future that to me is a blasphemy. \\

God does not foretell the future, because the future is a quality of time, and God lives outside of time in the eternal NOW.
---Cluny on 10/15/10


Francis, can you expond on what you put down? What are you saying? and why? I see you put down seven points, are you saying they are all false? Give some Scripture if you can.

Samuel, you were doing great answering the topic about the end times, Post trib and what you thought of pre-trib, and then you went to another topic about the assurance of the Saints and other doctrines. Try to stay in this one. I'm hoping no one condemns anyone for answering one way. This subjects on the Second Coming of Christ and all things that happen at that time are really important or God would not have told us to study them in Revelation. It is the only book that declares it is the revelation of Jesus Christ.
---MarkV. on 10/15/10


NEW LIST BASED ON NEW DISCRIPTION:

1: that the rapture will occur before the tribulation
2: that christ will come before the tribulation
3: That those " left behind" will get a second chance
4: That Christ will reign 1000 years on earth
5: That the church wiull secretlybe raptured and some left behind
6: that all nations wil attack physical israel.
7: the the kings of the east means the current eastern nation like china
---francis on 10/15/10


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I am Post Trib but I do not believe the pre trib to be the greatest delusion. For the doctrine is off but not blasphemy. Preterist who do not teach that GOD can foretell the future that to me is a blasphemy.

But the greatest delusion is that people can serve GOD and Mammon and that it is not only okay but that it is what GOD wants. Too many today teach that you can live like the devil and still go to heaven. Or if not that you can live half heartedly just with a little GOD so that you have fire insurance. That is the greatest delusion.
---Samuel on 10/15/10


-joseph on 10/15/10

To both post--
-Amen.
---char on 10/15/10


\\-Belief in extraterrestrial life\\

Why is this a "strong delusion"?

Angels and demons are alive, and they are NOT of terrestrial origin.

If you are talking about biological life, the existence of extraterrestrial biota can be neither proven nor disproven on the basis of empirical data, nor can it be either affirmed or denied on the basis of Christian doctrine.

And what if there ARE Martians, and these Martians are microbes? Would their existence refute one iota of Christian revelation?
---Cluny on 10/15/10


I will clear my question up. What are end time delusions concerning the end times. Post trib, pre-trip and med-trip. Where did they begin and what is truth. A topic I know many like to talk about. Please, no condemnations against anyone for whatever they say. For many have different views. Give Scripture you have for an answer and why.
---MarkV. on 10/15/10


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What are end-time delusions:

Antichrist appearing after:
1: Y2K
2: 9/11/01
3: After katrina
4: After first Gold war
5: after 2nd Golf war
6: With President Obama taking office
7: Euro introducted as a common currency

in no particular order
---francis on 10/15/10


The climatic greatest delusion will be peace and safety.
First Thessalonians 5:3 " For when they shall say, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them," this delusion will be so strong as to deceive the world and the Jewish people specifically. Their navet is shown by the fact that they will let the walls and gates of protection(armies at the ready) down in face of this delusion. This delusion will not take place except a seven-year peace treaty(including the rebuilding of the third Temple) be given to the Jewish nation.
---mima on 10/15/10


Amendment to previous post. MarkV, the statement "There is only one" is in reference to the "end-time" "Strong delusion", as opposed to general delusions. There are many delusions that allow for and facilitate his deception. The most telling, is the delusion that the second coming of the True Christ precedes him.
---joseph on 10/15/10


"What are end-time delusions?" There is only one.
The Spurious Messiah. The "Strong Delusion" is defined as following: ('Strong'-1753 "energeia" [ in the NT used only of superhuman power, whether of God or of Satan] from 1756 "energes", powerful, active, from 1722 and 2041, which denotes an [instrument of deception] that has been placed as a ('Delusion'-4106 "plane" fem. of 4108, a fraud, an impostor, [who positions himself to mislead the faithless and deceivable]. He is that Wicked [one] that shall be revealed. He is that lie that the deceived and faithless will chose to receive. Refs. 2 Thes. 2:8-12>The last line of Isa.66:3, and all of verse 4
---joseph on 10/15/10


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The delusions are too many to list.
Doctrines of man, the thoughts and intents of the heart behind teachings and web posts, the Spirit of God versus the spirit of man, carnal minded reasoning, seminary and a proud spirit are just a few.
A good starting point is that if you reject what the mainstream or multitudes teach and search those things out farther you are on the right path.
Few shall be saved.
---Frank on 10/14/10


It does Cluny, it's a small fragment to a bigger picture of a scheme carefully drafted worldwide (32 countries) to centralize wealth and thereby power while building a utopia for the world's most rich and powerful. This will be the launch pad for anti-Christ, but these people don't believe the 2000 year old "superstitions" you and I believe.

Google Georgia guide stones or American Stonehenge if you don't believe me, I can tell you the fella who erected that monument disappeared. Or you can believe John Kennedy when he said, and I quote: "we are opposed internationally by a monolithic conspiracy" in a speech in which he announced his plan to abolish the Federal Reserve and this right before he was assassinated.
---Peter on 10/14/10


\\it's why the currency of the US Dollar is being intentionally sacked, \\

Ummmmm.... are you claiming that the United States currency has any kind of spiritual prophetic significance?

Anyway, one end-time delusion that can lead to destruction is belief in a pre-trib rapture.
---Cluny on 10/14/10


Since God tempts noone (James 1:13) , I would have to say that He stops protecting people from these deceptions that Satan has started, because its become obvious they will not accept Jesus Christ so they can be saved. (the love of the truth).

I said it in another post, but those lies are evident (to me) in the world today.

-Atheism / Satanism
-Abnormal sexual practices
-Belief in extraterrestrial life
-The growing belief that 2012 will bring the world into a new era of understanding and ancient "gods" will be revealed
-Islam infecting the Christian world (as they await their messiah, the Mahdi)
-most recently NASA developing relations with the Muslim world
---JackB on 10/14/10


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The scripture is plain that God is going to send the "strong delusion" to those who don't seek him. These will become the followers of anti-Christ, and at present are the people advocating a world government and world currency...it's why the currency of the US Dollar is being intentionally sacked, so that what was once privately owned now becomes government controlled by the state. Make no mistake those that control our debt are the same crooks planning and executing this hostile takeover, and when the time comes to pay the fiddler this nation WILL NOT be issued a free pass. Foreclosure is imminent and the government that used to secure your rights will cease to exist entirely. Buckle up kiddies, the ride's only just begun.
---Peter on 10/14/10


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