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Sister Wives TV Show

What do you folks think about the man who married three wives and is now marrying a 4th wife and has a reality show called Sister Wives? After all, in the Old Testament, didn't King David in the Old Testament have many wives?

Moderator - King David was out of the will of God in this area of his life. How could someone be married to four wives if they live in the USA?

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Rhonda:

You said: of course it was accepted by men who simply rejected Gods Word

And just who were these particular men? And just what specific piece of God's word that forbade polygamy were they rejecting (please cite chapter and verse). Look at the record. God's prophets (i.e. the ones who actually spoke what was on God's mind) were constantly condemning this and that sin, especially the sins of kings. Yet not one of them ever condemned polygamy. Yes, Solomon was cricitized for having multiple wives - but that was because they led him into idolatry, not because he had two or more of them.

Jesus said divorce was not like that in the beginning (Matthew 19:7-9). He said nothing about polygamy.
---StrongAxe on 11/2/10


I really enjoy the show myself. I feel if this is how they choose to live thier lives then why should anyone put them down for it. They seem to be a well adjusted family and love each other as god told us to love. He told us to love one another and be fruitful and multiply. It is not just in the old morman religion but many others men can take more then one wife. I hope all the best for the Brown family and hope for them to be together for many years. I will prey for them that all turns out for the best.
---Mary on 11/2/10


Polygamy was well accepted and practiced in the Old Testament.It was never referred to as sinful nor was it considered adultery
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of course it was accepted by men who simply rejected Gods Word ...never "accepted" by The Father in Heaven ...however mankind has free will - everything mankind does is right in his own eyes

Christ stated multiple wives was NEVER like that in beginning ...is the word never not plain enough???

Christ stated two flesh became one ...many deceived "christians" attempt to SELL LIE that polygamy was accepted by God however it contradicts very words of Christ ...one must add idea that two become one and then one of the two becomes one with another and another...
---Rhonda on 11/1/10


Unless I missed something, polygamy is against the law in the USA.

Whether it is right in the eyes of God is one thing, but the fact that it is against the law in the USA makes it against God's Word...

1 Pet 2:13 "Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority"

And they know it is against the law.

Therefore, to continue this practice makes it sin for them, James 4:17.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/1/10


Polygamy was well accepted and practiced in the Old Testament.It was never referred to as sinful nor was it considered adultery.Even today I see some advantages to having sister-wives-built in helpers and caregivers.A family support system providing no jealousy.However nolonger done in NT.
---judy on 11/1/10




Rhonda:

Deuteronomy 25:6

"And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel."

There would be no reason to specify "firstborn" if there was to be only one, just like people now don't talk about their "first wife" - they talk about their "wife".

The first child born of the levirate marriage was named after the deceased brother. If there were any subsequent children, they were named after the living brother, just as in any normal marriage.
---StrongAxe on 10/29/10


implying that further sexual relations and more children could be expected
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first
which Scripture supports this idea of implying

...that would be MAKING Scripture say what one wants by implying a meaning to FIT whatever flavor doctrine one supports ...I mean you do see the ERROR in the implying assumption route ...seeing it has caused considerable chaotic deception as Satan intended and Christ warned mankind would happen ...one could find themselves unknowingly rejecting plain words of God in Deuteronomy and confirmation of Christ in Matthew because they were sold on an implied idea that is popular yet wrong

oh but I digress ...so WHICH chapters/verses support the rest of what you posted?
---Rhonda on 10/28/10


Rhonda:

Yes, adultery was forbidden, but polygyny (one man with multiple wives) was NEVER referred to as adultery in scripture.

The wife could not marry a stranger (which would also give her financial support) so it wasn't about that.

This was instituted SPECIFICALLY so that the firstborn child of the marriage would be named after the deceased brother in order to carry on his name and inheritance. That would be impossible if the wife was past childbearing years. It was also ONLY the firstborn child of such a marriage that took the name of the dead brother, while subsequent children took the name of the new husband (implying that further sexual relations and more children could be expected).
---StrongAxe on 10/27/10


AMEN Cluny

1 Timothy 3:2
This is only for bishops. If Paul meant everyone, he could have said so.

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Paul would not need to "say so" and remind people that God forbids adultery when Christ had already REAFFIRMED this in Matt 19:4-9 of which even He mentioned man and women become one flesh as was in the beginning ..not multiple "one's" of one

However the Levirate's marrying their spouses widow ...way back in the day :) I believe this was to support financially and because often property etc was given to next male leader in family ....not marriage for sexual relations (however do correct me if I'm wrong) seeing many of these women generally were past child bearing age anyway
---Rhonda on 10/26/10


Rhonda, StrongAxe--

Might it be better to say that polygyny was something that God tolerated, but nowhere in the Bible is it called something good?

Much the same thing can be said about slavery.
---Cluny on 10/26/10




Rhonda:

You said: God always condemned this practice

No. Many patriarchs and kings had multiple wives without negative comments from any prophets.

You quoted: Deut 17:14-19 ...Neither shall he multiply wives to himself
but omitted: that his heart turn not away. Solomon was condemned because his wives led him to idolatry. This was about faith, not polygamy.

1 Timothy 3:2
"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife..."
This is only for bishops. If Paul meant everyone, he could have said so.

Sometimes polygamy was REQUIRED. Levirate marriage (Deut 25:5-10) required a man to marry his childless brother's widow. There was no exception if he was already married.
---StrongAxe on 10/26/10


Also, multiple wives are indeed in the word of God and allowed unto the children of Israel.
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not at all ...Adam had one wife not many

God always condemned this practice ...God condemns lots of things ...man does not want Gods rule and ways ...he wants his own Prov 12:15 ...why there are examples of men doing their own thing with polygamy and against God are shared

Deut 17:14-19 ...Neither shall he multiply wives to himself

Matt 19:4-9 ...that he which made them at the beginning (Gen 2:24) ...shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh

PURPOSE of NT specifically calling out leaders in the church as men who NEVER practiced polygamy
---Rhonda on 10/25/10


By doing what is wrong, they are missing out on how they could find out how to love. So, this is very sad. And there are signs, if there is jealously showing (there may be more trouble and problems below the surface), that there is misery and destruction in their sinning.

But ones married only to one other person can have major problems because of sin in their relating. It says, "Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14) Thou shalt not commit adultery, and you must not argue or complain. By arguing and complaining, we are having affairs with Satan . . . cheating on our Groom Jesus ! ! ! So, why do ones avoid talking about *this*, but are so busy pointing at *other* people's adultery???
---Bill on 10/25/10


Cluny,

1 Samuel 30:18

[18] And David recovered all that the Amalekites had carried away: and David rescued his two wives.

This is a type and shadow of the Lord returning for his two wives, the Jew and Gentile churches.

We know that David had more wives as well.

Also, multiple wives are indeed in the word of God and allowed unto the children of Israel.
It's just not popular with people living in countries where it is no longer allowed.
Only Bishops and Deacons should be the husband of one wife according to Paul.
We honor the 1 wife doctrine because the body of Christ (the church, bride) should be of one faith and in a unity of the Spirit.

May God bless.
---Frank on 10/23/10


First off pelagami is a pagan practice and is not Christian and not part of the Jewish faith or family values and law,.I think this man is very insecure and want when asked about another man he was against it,, its was good for him but not for them, in a way pelagami is man perverting the dominacy of the male role , it has nothing to do with love or respect for a women , but just greed and lust for fleshly desires...That would be the day i share my man with another women ,he be out of the door!
---Nefidela on 10/23/10


AlwaysOn What I view in such a situation is not brain washing by the husband but the programing of children growing up in those groups to accept that lifestyle as normal. Evidently some of the wives did that. To me that's ongoing brain washing or programing,"monkey see,monkey do". Even so,some children brought up in "families" can see it isn't the best way to live,and leave as soon as they can and marry only one person. What I blame the male for is taking so many wives,having many children, so wives must work to help support the "family" because he can't do it and when he takes another one he knows he can't. Thats being irresponsible. Like one of those "wives" said,there's never enough money but we get by.
---Darlene_1 on 10/23/10


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Moderator:

Whether or not one believes in polygamy, and whether or not polygamy is actually a good thing, there is no condemnation of it in the Old Testament, either in general, or for David in particular. It was mentioned with respect to Solomon, but that was not because he had many wives per se, but rather because they served other gods and lead him into idolatry.

It is the same with mixed marriages - the Bible does not condemn interracial marriage on account of race, but rather on account of religion, since in those days people from other races had different religions, and if a Jewish man married a non-Jewish woman, she was likely to lead him into idolatry.
---StrongAxe on 10/23/10


\\Check again. It says he returned for 2.
---Frank on 10/22/10\\

I think this a rather strained typology you're adopting, and it comes close to eisogesis, but I wouldn't call it heretical, either.

||I was referring to the scripture where he came to rescue 2.||

Exactly which scriptures did you have in mind? Can you share them? References only needed.
---Cluny on 10/23/10


He is not breaking any laws.He is only legally married to wife number 1. The others were just ceremonies. they ALL decided this together,so no one was forced into it. Though I see jeliousy from the wives, I also see a community of them helping eachother raise the children.We aren't to judge them, God will do fine on his own.It was their choice to air out their laundry on t.v. and I am more upset at TLC for airing it. I use to think better of them. however now it's out there. people have a choice too....turn off your t.v. or turn the channel!
---Candice on 10/23/10


He is only legally married to the first one. She suggested and chose his other three "wives". Abraham and Jacob had other wives and it was not condemned by God. I don't think it is the best practice but it seems to work for them.
---pg1 on 10/23/10


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Well said, good points, Donna66!
---AlwaysOn on 10/22/10


In Biblical society where women had few if any skills to support themselves, a single woman without family, often faced a bleak future. For some, the only way they knew to make a living was by the "oldest" profession.

A man who took such a woman as a second wife, was generous to give her a home and save her reputation. The Bible, in fact, commands that the brother of a deceased man, take responsibility for the widow and produce a heir in the stead of the dead brother.. Heritage was all important to the Hebrews in Old Testament times.

It's quite a different world today.
---Donna66 on 10/22/10


Kody does not appear to have brainwashed any of these women. Wife #1 grew up in a polygamist household and made the personal decision to practice polygamy as an adult. She initiated the inclusion of wife #2 whom she knew before she met Kody. She also encouraged him to marry wife #4. One other wife also grew up in a polygamous family and willfully chose polygamy. All were adults when they married and wife #4 had even been in a monogamous 1st marriage.

I am not lobbying for or against polygamy, but it's unfair to blame the male when all 5 willfully entered into this arrangement. Granted, this isn't always a polygamous reality, but I've watched this family and none of the women appears to be in this situation against her free will.
---AlwaysOn on 10/22/10


Cluny
I know that David had more than two wives.
I was referring to the scripture where he came to rescue 2.
That was the type and shadow of the Lord's return.
Check again. It says he returned for 2.
---Frank on 10/22/10


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\\The multiple wives practiced for so many centuries was a way of treating females as property of males.\\

Not quite. It was also arranged for the protection and support of the WOMEN involved, too, as a man with multiple wives was supposed to support and treat them all equally.

**The reason King David returned for two wives was a type and shadow of the Lord returning for two wives that make up one body, the Jew and Gentile wi**

David had more than two wives. Try again.
---Cluny on 10/22/10


The multiple wives practiced for so many centuries was a way of treating females as property of males. Gradually females have gained equal status and value with males, but the old ways still exist in some places. These women who have CHOSEN to be part of such a family, instead of being FORCED, apparently have a problem with self-worth and/or don't want to take the full responsibility of "wifehood."
---Geraldine on 10/22/10


The reason King David returned for two wives was a type and shadow of the Lord returning for two wives that make up one body, the Jew and Gentile wife.
Solomon transgressed by having many wives.
The word says when a man takes a second wife his duty shall not diminish to his first.
The Lord's duty to his first wife (Jew) shall not diminish because he took a second.(Gentile)
David's wives show the body of Christ consists of many members.
The word says a Bishop and a Deacon must be the husband of one wife.
It doesn't say that about all.
Many forget that the Lord has a Kingdom and not a democracy or republic.
He has all say.
We should never use one or two scriptures to overlook the multitude.
---Frank on 10/22/10


This program and it's message is such a travesty! As of last week, they are being investigated for bigamy, etc.
I think that Kody has found a small group of women that he can brainwash into believing that they are doing the right thing. ONE of the women mentioned if they should have more than one husband and he got really angry! He is annoying to watch with his phrases like, "My kids are .
Poor woman had a sixth baby for him and she seems most jealous of the new "bride". They should all be arrested, but I would love to see this man brought to justice!
---Zenobia on 10/22/10


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Donna5535,you are welcome but I am the one to say thanks for your kind words. The love of the Lord shines through you brightly. I've watched the show and the fact the first wife and also the wife who didn't have a big reception like number four are both showing or expressing jealously which tells me they aren't as happy with that lifestyle as they make out to be. Brain washing is a terrible thing and the damage people experience from the outcome is horrible. My husband's first cousin married a Mormon woman,they used to come and stay with us which gave her and me a chance to discuss religion. Her Grandfather had three wives and she never said she thought it was wrong which is a prime example of how people get used to things they're raised in.
---Darlene_1 on 10/22/10


Cluny, of course I'd would love to have my husband ALL to myself. And I wouldn't share him with any other, but more than that, I'd rather have Jesus as my Husband who loves me unconditionally, with an agape love, who shows me mercy every day and is faithful to me.

I don't have to do his laundry, wash no dishes nor pay his bills. We get all of the benefits of having Jesus as our Husband and in return He gets our Love, Worship, Praise, Honor, Glory and we share Him with others because we want others to have what we have in Him, in Jesus.
---Donna5535 on 10/22/10


all of them should be arrested.
---shira3877 on 10/22/10


Darlene, I always love reading your responses. Thank you.

After watching a few episodes the other night, I couldn't bear to watch anymore.

But I will say this. I think I heard one or two of the women saying they love being in a large family...they love the family atmosphere and I have to admit, after having 3 miscarriages and wanting children with all of my heart and soul, I think I'd love to have a household of kids. It would be nice to go home sometimes to children or even a cat or dog instead of always going home to an empty house, with no one there.
---Donna5535 on 10/22/10


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\\Quick question for you please? If King David was out of the will of God with many wives, then was Abraham too? When Sarah told him to go into her maid to have a child?\\

Well, this surrogate mother relationship caused all kinds of trouble at the time, and it's still reverberating down to this day.

Donna, would YOU like to be one of many wives? Or would you want to have your husband all to yourself?

Though I found out something interesting: Judaism did NOT proscribe polygyny until the year 1000 AD.
---Cluny on 10/22/10


I watched this show once to see what it is really all about. This man comes off as a womanizer who has four women really fooled!!!!
---KarenD on 10/22/10


Moderator, I absolutely love it when our Moderators give their input, thank you so very much.

Quick question for you please? If King David was out of the will of God with many wives, then was Abraham too? When Sarah told him to go into her maid to have a child?

I do understand that in the United States, polygamy is a crime, but is it a sin? If the men in the Old Testament had many wives..look at Solomon, I lost count on how many wives he had. So when did it change in the bible that a man should only have one wife?

P.S. peter, thank you for your honest answer, I appreciate that.
---Donna5535 on 10/22/10


Unfortunately, their brand of reality is not God's reality. Probably nothing more than a way to make a lot of money in a short period of time. More than likely split the profits and go their separate ways once the show falls just under primetime.
---Linda on 10/22/10


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I think he is a womanizer who has found a tidy little method,not casual like most, for cheating without slipping around. There isn't anything legal or holy about his relationships no matter how he labels them and goes through all the motions of being married to each one. I just think it is too sad that those women have bought into all the lies about such an arangement. Another terrible thing about that lifestyle is it teaches the children how to lie about who their father is and who knows what else to keep him from being arrested.
---Darlene_1 on 10/22/10


A man is not balanced enough to have more than one wife and not show preferential treatment or keep from causing them undue injury emotionally. In short this is not what's absolutely best for the people God loves.
---peter on 10/22/10


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