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Why are churches so out of touch with the people in their church?

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The reason is sin. The reason for everything that goes bad is sin. Sin is everywhere. Churches, schools, politics, and very much in everyone's home. Instead of blaming just the Church, blame yourselves for the sin in your homes.
The Churches need good teachers, instead of complaining blame yourselves for not providing those teachers, but first clean your own sins.
---Mark_V. on 11/11/10


Colossians 2:8-10 refers to you Steven G. for teaching a worthless deception, the basic principles of the world for the body of Christ (Church) to not gather together as believers as God instructed the Church.

Luke 11:23 "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters"
You have scattered. And now you persecute the Church the body of Christ from gathering together. You want them to scatter also as you have done. You bring shame to the Church in front of everyone on line.
"Phlosophy" literally means (love of wisdom" your wisdom is, that it is better for the body of Christ (the Church) not to gather. That is what you have been teaching from the beginning.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/10


Mark_V: "I suppose you learned all that at your gatherings."

You suppose much. I learned everything I need from the Bible, from what Jesus taught, and from the Holy Spirit.

Colossians 2:8-10
---Steveng on 11/9/10


Steven G, while you try to bring shame to me as you said, I will continue to pray for you. Thanks be to God that I do not think or say what you say. I suppose you learned all that at your gatherings. You try to bring shame to the gathering of believers in churches, and now to me, what does that tell you? I guess free will is working real good for you.
---Mark_V. on 11/7/10


Why are churches out of touch?

This is going to sound strange,
But it's Because the people, do not love the Lord their God in their hearts.
They Love God, only with their minds.

They love the Idea of God, they believe there is something greater than themselves, but have never come into a true relationship with God, one of genuine Love and repentance.

Why?
Because they do not live by the Truth.
Many churches teach a false doctrine, and without the Truth, there will be no Grace in that church.
Without Grace, the church is without the power of God, a power that the believer needs in his daily walk with God, a power that increases their faith in God, a God in which they can not see.
---David on 11/7/10




Mark_V: "Steven G, why make such statments against me? What do you gain? Respect from others?"

No, Mark V, to bring shame to you.
---Steveng on 11/6/10


Steven G, why make such statments against me? What do you gain? Respect from others? Maybe respect form those that I have opposed. You think your remarks against the Church of Christ goes unnotice by God? You think you are gaining points but in reality you are only adding to your list of sins.
If you had not been so much against God's people gathering anywhere, whether at a building, house, cave or at the park, I would have never answered you at the beginning. Then after speaking bad about the churches you mention you go there to teach sometimes. And as I said before almost all of your comments were against Christ Church. Oh, you have your reasons, bad people are there, but bad people are everywhere.
---Mark_V. on 11/6/10


Steveng---

//Wherever (that means anywhere) two or more are gathered in Jesus name, there he is also. Whether it be at the park, at the loval cafe, or in someone's home.....
or a church?
---Donna66 on 11/5/10


Mark_V: "Steven G, You say that I have a fascination about you, but I do not."

You see, you twisted my reply, again. I did not say you had a fascination about me. What I said was that you had a fascination about twisting people's reply which, in turn, shows you twist verses from the bible. See the error of your ways, Mark V.

Mark_V: "...you were speaking against the gathering of believers in churches."

I never spoke against the "gathering of believers."

Satan also twisted verses to confuse people and make them turn against God.

What makes you, Mark V, want to twist replies?
---Steveng on 11/5/10


Steven G, You say that I have a fascination about you, but I do not. From the first time I heard you speak, you were speaking against the gathering of believers in churches. That in itself is against Scripture, because we are called to gather together as One body in Christ. Steven, at least 90% of what you say is against the Church of Christ, the genuine believers. That is the reason I first disagreed with you a few years ago and you are still at it. From the start you have complained about them. We all know that unbelievers are everywhere. No matter where you go, you cannot get away from them, unless you go and stay by yourself in a room the rest of your life. There you will have no one to complain about. Because you will be the only one.
---Mark_V. on 11/5/10




Haz27:

You will find wheat and tares in every denomination (and, yes, sometimes even in groups on the fringe that may rightfully be called cults). Some people focus primarily on Christ and what he taught (so they are relatively immune to the effects of divisions and heresies), while others focus on what the denomination and/or preacher teaches (so the accept divisions and heresies hook, line, and sinker).

It has always been this way, and it will always be this way. The two will never be properly separated until the final judgment (Matthew 13:24-30).
---StrongAxe on 11/4/10


Mark_V: "Stop persecuting the gathering of believers."

Apparently you have this fascination of twisting someone's comments. This tells me that you do the same with scripture.

I have never said that I persecute the gathering of believers. Wherever (that means anywhere) two or more are gathered in Jesus name, there he is also. Whether it be at the park, at the loval cafe, or in someone's home.

What Jesus is against are people who say they are christian and are not. That pretty much takes care of all denominational church goers. This is the strong delusion as mentioned in the bible.
---Steveng on 11/4/10


Interesting debate here with valid points on both sides.
Although most here are against Steveng, he does make some correct observations of denominations.
For years I have attended many different denominations and often found they are just as likely to preach works as grace.

Christ is not divided, but churchgoers often would rather identify themselves according to the denomination or pastor they follow instead of Christ as their shepherd. With all the contradictory doctrines, high divorce rates, church splits etc, amongst the various churches, it's hardly a glowing endorsement to follow them.

I think most here would aggree that regardless of where you fellowship we should ONLY follow Jesus Christ as our true shepherd.
---Haz27 on 11/4/10


Steveng:

If churches who fight among themselves are thus declared to not be true churches, wouldn't that also mean that Christians who fight among themselves are not true Christians? (and this would include many people on these blogs, yourself included).
---StrongAxe on 11/4/10


what is a denomination, next to aproaching God's salvation plan from another point of vieuw. Christ is preached as son of God? salvation is free, and not earned. discipleship to CHRIST is a must. then maybe some minor points might be different: but at the end it is Christ did paul not say but who is Apollo: and who is paul but fellow workers for the same Christ. He is not divided, and to me, a denomination only reveals the manycoloured wisdom of God, and everyone can learn something from the next denomination.
---andy3996 on 11/4/10


Steven G, can I ask you a question? Does this gathering of people you belong to use the devil for their defense when they are questioned? They must because you had no trouble using him when someone touches your feelings. Anyone who needs the devil to help them make a statement is not working for God or His Church. I never twisted anything. You spoke of your group which gather together. I had a group at my home that gathered together for over ten years. We had a satelite church. Where at least twenty gathered together twice a week to study and pray for each others needs. So I know what a group gathering is all about. We pick up donations for someone in the group who needed help. Stop persecuting the gathering of believers.
---Mark_V. on 11/4/10


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If I'm not mistaken, Steveng just doesn't recognize any denomination but his own. Nobody else else can be called "Christians".
---Donna66 on 11/3/10


\\They pay a fee (which, in reality, is a tax) for staying a non-profit corporation.\\

Are you saying that YOU have all the world's facts at your fingertips?

I know of no CHURCH that pays any kind of fee or tax for its existence.

Do you? Can you give us its name and location?

Independent ministries and foundations are something else again.

However, I was in the process (before I moved) of helping the local community orchestra become a 501(c)3 corporation. While there were the expenses involved in this, there was no yearly fee once this was established.
---Cluny on 11/3/10


Cluny: "Churches and other religious groups do NOT pay taxes on property (at least in the USA) dedicated to their immediate religious purposes."

You disappoint me thinking you have all the worldoy facts at your finger tips. Churches and other religious groups DO pay taxes ( I didn't say "property" tax or any other kind of tax). They pay a fee (which, in reality, is a tax) for staying a non-profit corporation. And these fees are going to increase next year depending, of course, upon the state.
---Steveng on 11/3/10


Steveng ... You accuse Mark of twisting what you have said, but he has not.

You have just said "Since our group of christians don't have a building"

Don't you realise that by those words you have created your own denomination, and worse than that, by condemning other denominations, you have divided yourself from other Christians.

It is you who has caused the divide, not them.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/3/10


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Instead of arguing about minor things, why don't christians get on their knees and pray for our country. All christians need to pray and seek God's face. Our country needs us and our country needs God.
---shira3877s on 11/3/10


Mark_V: "When you speak against the church, you are speaking against genuine believers gathering together. Not biblical."

As I have always said about you, you take what people say and twist it. Much like what the devil does.

I don't speak wrong about any true church, only denominational churches which are not true churches. If they were, then why do they fight among themselves? People today have the wrong idea about the true definition of "church." It is the delusion of people that they are christians when they join a particular denominational church. That, Mark V, in not biblical and even part of end time prophesy.
---Steveng on 11/3/10


Steven G, so your grib against churches is people giving money to them. If you don't like to give your money for the purpose of God don't give. If you feel that you would rather give to some other means, do it. It is what is in your heart since there is no tithe.
You said,
Since our group of christians don't have a building, 100% of the money we bring in go directly to the poor and needy"
Not having a building is great but it does not change the fact that any gathering of of genuine believers baptized into One body is called the Church of Christ. Whether you are at home, building or a cave. When you speak against the church, you are speaking against genuine believers gathering together. Not biblical.
---Mark_V. on 11/3/10


\\That may be so, but it wasn't suppose to be.\\

It wasn't? Have you proof?

\\ Having a building is only an obstacle to having a truly christian life.\\

Is it?

\\ Having a building is an anchor to the world. The money donated to your denominational "churches" for maintenance, taxes, and other expenses can be best used to populate the Kingdom of God\\

Churches and other religious groups do NOT pay taxes on property (at least in the USA) dedicated to their immediate religious purposes.
---Cluny on 11/2/10


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Cluny: "Steveng, Christians had church buildings by the 200's."

That may be so, but it wasn't suppose to be. Having a building is only an obstacle to having a truly christian life. Having a building is an anchor to the world. The money donated to your denominational "churches" for maintenance, taxes, and other expenses can be best used to populate the Kingdom of God. Since our group of christians don't have a building, 100% of the money we bring in go directly to the poor and needy.
---Steveng on 11/2/10


bec. many say that christianity is a relationship but you are given a list of things to do. it's not relationship but performance.

relationship are persons who express themselves without the fear of punishment or accusation. but in the church/christianity self is condemned as sin. but how can you have a relationship when self is demonized as sin.

that is why churches are out of touch with the people in their church.
---mike on 11/2/10


Steveng, Christians had church buildings by the 200's.
---Cluny on 10/31/10


If churches are out of touch, they are not really saved and don't understand salvation the right way. If many churches would really understand salvation, much of the sufferings in the world and around us would vanish away and godly joy would increase everywhere to the glory of God.
---justme on 10/31/10


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Donna66: "But, when it rains, or the snow is deep, it's handy to have a "church building."

That's why the early christians got together in each other's home. Another reason to have it in secret place is to not get caught getting together to worship God without getting caught by the government much like what is happening in China and such places - and much like what is soon to happen in the USA.

Donna66: "Most Christians understand the difference between the two..."

Most christian don't.
---Steveng on 10/30/10


The truth is everyone has their own walk in faith!I wont cast a stone!I cant judge those dont do because I am not there judge.Everyone has a seperate walk.some have a clean easy road to travel and some have pot holes every step.Looking to the goal the end of the road,the road to the kingdom.If you run a race and keep looking at the people behind you,you will fall and they will wait fore you at the finish line.I choose to look at my own faults and try to improve myself.sometimes its not easy.Good luck on your race!To GOD be the glory!
---keith on 10/30/10


I don't believe anyone forces anyone to do work in a Church whether cleaning floors or windows. When someone volunteers it is their falt if they get burned out. They might feel they need to do it otherwise it does not get done, but many times they are wrong, because people can do without you if you are not there. A person should not raise his hands to do something if they are not ready for a commitment. And those who don't volunteer have no place to complain since they don't do anything but enjoy the comforts of the Church. I get tired of hearing all the whinning from those who hate churches. If you hate them don't go. Stop complaining how terrible they are. If you are not there how do you know they are terrible?
---Mark_V. on 10/29/10


What people? If your eyes were propped open with dollar bills. You could not see anything else,either.
Filthy lucre is the name of the game now. I'm just saying.
---Robyn on 10/29/10


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People, not the church get out of touch. Jesus: "any two more gathered in my name, there I am in the midst". Define what is meant by "church". The human organization? or the Body of Christ in the Spiritual realm? Jesus: (woman at the well) " time has come and is now, when true worshipers worship the Father in spirIt and truth, because God is a Spirit and He seeks true worshipers to worship in spirit and truth". Out of touch is when focus and intimate daily relationship is not happening. The church is to promote salvation and intimacy with Jesus Christ. Too many extraneous, distracting activities cause differing views, endless discussions and attitudes and sadly clicks . Thats no witness, thats out of touch!
---Robert on 10/29/10


mark Eaton- You will see ALL denominations represented in the volunteer workers. As a matter of fact, you will see the older Orthodox denominations represented in greater number then newer protestant denominations.

It depends on where you are. That's not true where I live. I do volunteer at a feeding station for the homeless and rescue mission. There are a few Catholics, but they don't outnumber Protestants at all. The Greek Orthodox never show.

Otherwise you make my point. Different churches may work together for missionary efforts. Otherwise it is rare.
---Donna66 on 10/29/10


since He gives to all life, breath, and all things

then why are christians are 'dead' in their relationships?

it seems that going to church is mandatory -you should go to church, after the 'service is over & like robots christians are programmed - they go home & do the same thing over again every week
---mike on 10/29/10


Christian-- No it is not as important to build a "church" building as it is for the "church body" to worship in Spirit and in Truth.

....But, when it rains, or the snow is deep, it's handy to have a "church building."
Most Christians understand the difference between the two usages of the word "Church".
(Although sometimes I wonder if ambitious pastors with extensive building programs, really do)
---Donna66 on 10/29/10


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When the Scripture says "church", it really means the "Body of Christ" (His people). Therefore when believers congregate together to worship - Jesus declares that they must worship God in "Spirit and Truth". Therefore, is it important to build a "temple/church" to worship God?

Paul walked into such a building and declared - "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with mens hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things." (Acts 17:24,25)
---christan on 10/29/10


""These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also."Acts 17:6

The above is speaking of a time when Christians were witnessing for God.

It should be remembered that at the time spoken of in Acts 17:6 Christianity had no church buildings!!!!!1

The last fact alone says something about the importance of organized churches.
---mima on 10/29/10


Steveng ... Oh dear, you are at it again, this condemnation of people getting together to form a congregation.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/29/10


I've seen churches of different "denominations" (or no denomination) form a good relationship temporarily...usually for ministry project.
But otherwise I think it is rare.
---Donna66 on 10/28/10

Its only rare if you make it so.

Go to your local Homeless Shelter or Rescue Mission and work there a few times. You will see ALL denominations represented in the volunteer workers. As a matter of fact, you will see the older Orthodox denominations represented in greater number then newer protestant denominations.

Go to your local abortion mill and protest there. Same situation.

Anywhere you find Jesus and the Holy Spirit, you will find unity of the BOC present.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/29/10


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For any person who interested in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, should take a big step back and say what's going on Why so many denomination.Why so may diffrent teaching and start looking for your answers in the Bible.Steveng right with these end times.

2 TIMOTHY 4:3 FOR a time will come when they will not endure doctrine but after their own lust shall they heap to -----------
4,4 And they shall turn AWAY THEIR EARS FROM THE TRUTH and shall be turned unto fables.
---RICHARD on 10/28/10


Steveng-- You ask:
Does a christian need a denominational "church" to form relationships with others?

What "others" do you mean? A Christian can have positive relationships with other Christians in any setting or any church whether it is a denominational one or an independent one. It's not difficult if Jesus is more important to them than "church".

Do you mean can churches relate with other churches? Sometimes. I've seen churches of different "denominations" (or no denomination) form a good relationship temporarily...usually for ministry project.
But otherwise I think it is rare.
---Donna66 on 10/28/10


Donna66: ""Denominational" or not...makes no difference."

On the contrary, it makes a huge difference. It's not only between denominations, but also within denominations. You need to see the big picture of world events - "To see the forest among the trees" to take an old cliche. I've heard many times, "The Lutheran (or take your pick of your denominational churches) church across town is better than this church."

There is no unity among denominations and there is no unity within. Man's heart is filled with evil during these end times.
---Steveng on 10/28/10


"Denominational" or not...makes no difference. Any group of like-minded believers can pray for, encourage and enjoy fellowship together. But it takes a little effort on everyone's part. Don't always expect someone else to make the first move.

Relationships of any kind take some dedication.
---Donna66 on 10/27/10


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Does a christian need a denominational "church" to form relationships with others?
---Steveng on 10/27/10


this means that the body of christ is aloof, insensitive, uncaring. christians profess that christianity is a RELATIONSHIP yet there is not contact no connection.
the relationship that exist is a 3 second introduction & good bye.
there is more connection in the workplace than in christianity where relationship supposedly exist.
that is why many say that christianity is a RELIGION bec. people in the church is OUT OF TOUCH.
---mike on 10/27/10


Darline, great answer sister. It is the believer with the Holy Spirit which makes the church what it is. If you have many none Christians in the church, chances are they are running the services many times. Some here suggest it is a hospital but it is a place of worship for genuine believers, who have the Spirit of God in them. Too much is asked of the preachers. They are there to teach us and many times what they say we already know, and other times people don't want to change when the preacher teaches them something because of what they already believe even when Scripture is presented to them. They refuse to change at every cost. Later they blame the preacher.
---Mark_V. on 10/27/10


//"Why are churches so out of touch with the people in their church?"//

churches are out of touch, with people because they are out of touch with the Word of God, consequently they are out of touch with the true Church the Body of Christ
---michael_e on 10/27/10


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There is empowerment in being chosen from among the people and appointed over the business of the church.
---Linda on 10/26/10

Remember when we were in Elementary School?

Some of us were glad to be "chosen" to HELP: The teachers, Patrol the street crossings, Decorate the bulletin boards, Move furniture, etc.

I believe that the same goes for the church. Many people are thankful to be "chosen" to HELP. I know many people who ended up "burned out", though. Why?

I stopped and asked myself: Am I "serving man" or "serving GOD"? You'll NEVER get "burned out" by the latter. I learned.
---Sag on 10/27/10


I haven't found any instances in the early church where people volunteered. Even in the matter of daily distribution to widows, the people sought out from among them seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom whom they could appoint over that business. Prayer and laying on of hands was also involved. God considered even that small thing worthy of more than a few raising their hands. As one said, you usually always have the same volunteers every time and they get burned out while others complain. There is empowerment in being chosen from among the people and appointed over the business of the church.
---Linda on 10/26/10


Ask for volunteers and you will get very few. And many of those who do not volunteer will complain about those who do.
---KarenD on 10/26/10

I've been guilty of volunteering too much and getting "burned out".

I've experienced many situations where others "complained" about the volunteer teams. I always suggested that the "complainers" help out and fix any flaws they found.

Funny how none of the "complainers" EVER helped out. But they were always at the Thank You dinners. Hmmm. I often had to remind them NOT to eat all of the dinner food. Please! Please!! Please !!! Leave some foord for the "hard working" volunteers.
---Sag on 10/26/10


Seems to me that there are lots of people in church who are out of touch with the church (the body of Christ). Some don't seem to be able to do anything but criticize the pastor or the leaders. Those are generally the people who don't make any effort to help with the work within in the church. Ask for volunteers and you will get very few. And many of those who do not volunteer will complain about those who do. Praise the Lord our local church has a supportive group of people who remind the pastor quite often that they are glad he is here. Of course, were the pastor to not be preaching Biblical, those people would not be here.
---KarenD on 10/26/10


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\\And I submit the problem is that the churches do not know about how to get in touch with people in order to get people in touch with God.
---mima on 10/26/10
\\

mima, I'm sure that some churches do, and some don't.
---Cluny on 10/26/10


The only way we can achieve the first is through the second.
---Cluny on 10/25/10

I strongly agree with this.

Everyone today wants the former without the latter. Unfortunately for them, few teach this truth today and this is why we see the latter as a name for churches.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/26/10


"The Church is supposed to be about getting people in touch with God.
---Cluny on 10/24/10"

The above statement by Cluny is absolutely correct! And I submit the problem is that the churches do not know about how to get in touch with people in order to get people in touch with God.
---mima on 10/26/10


\\Which church would you want to attend, the "Abundant Life" or the "Crucified Life" church?\\

The only way we can achieve the first is through the second.
---Cluny on 10/25/10


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Donna5535 what you said is so true. I have always said prepare for church while at home with prayer and praise and you will take God's move to church with you instead of waiting for the Pastor to work up the Spirit at church. A Spiritually prepared congregation brings the anointing and move of God to the church with them. People need to find in church,from the Pastor,a message from God's Word which will guide their lives and enrich them Spiritually causing them to want to live closer to God.
---Darlene_1 on 10/25/10


The problem is not the churches, the problem is the people.

Which church would you want to attend, the "Abundant Life" or the "Crucified Life" church?

We want the free and easy American lifestyle instead of the selfless servants lifestyle.

Our churches only reflect what the people want.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/25/10


The people need to get in touch with leaders whom God has chosen. "Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you." (Hebrews 13:17) But Satanic people can be very clever. They can go to a church that is witching with unqualified leaders (see 1 Timothy 3:1-10). Satanic people can stay where they can criticize things instead of getting with a leader whom God trusts. By doing this, they avoid dealing with all that a good example leader would require of them, "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)
---Bill on 10/25/10


There is a scripture that says: "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

The Pastors of the Spirit-filled Churches are trying (in the flesh) to bring people into a deeper relationship with the Lord, but the people may not be seeking the Lord on their own.

So they only get a teaching on Sunday, maybe a bible study during the week. From there, we are supposed to seek the Lord on our own. Don't know how? Worship Father God. Worship Jesus. Enter His gates with thanksgiving and His courts with Praise.

Then pray, ask, seek, and you will find. God says, "If you search for me with ALL your heart, you SHALL find me." God lives and moves in His word, not necessarily always in Pastors only.
---Donna5535 on 10/25/10


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It's time for true believers to accurately understand the true meaning of the Word of God and Gospels. We are to follow Christ in His footsteps and the Helper will be with us always till the end of times.But I guess that a great deal of christianity has become comercialized and wordly. Every church brags about how much they know, how great sermons they hold, how spiritual they are, how much they love God, etc. but forgeting Jesus words ".....another commandment I give you, that you love one another as I have loved you....."
---human on 10/25/10


Because people have been taught to be spectators rather than participants.
---Rod4Him on 10/25/10


1st of all,the passage you referenced in your reply to cluny is talking of evangelization, mima. 2nd, the Church is people not a building, and the leaders of each assembly SHOULD be praying for and in touch with others in the fold. There is supposed to be teaching going on in the assembly, not just a bunch of fell good speaking. The church today has gotten so out of focus that people don't understand the purpose of the church in the first place.
---tommy3007 on 10/25/10


I am thankful my little church is still in touch with God and he stays in touch with us. I am baptist because I believe the doctrine of the independent baptist church. Our church is in one accord-that is not found in most churches. We are small, love each other, support each other and we take care of our pastor. We are still in touch with God in a mighty way.
---shira3877 on 10/25/10


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Depending on where you go, some are more interestead in boosting their "rolls" and it's money,money ,money to them. More about the quanity the the quality of time.Then there are smaller churches whom do care for the flock, the individuals. this is why I prefer smaller congregations v.s. large ones.
---candice on 10/24/10


\\Cluny wrote,"Churches are not supposed to get in touch with people" but how does this statement agree with Luke 14:23,"And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled."?
---mima on 10/24/10\\

Did you read the rest of what I said, mima?

I will repeat it here for your benefit:

The Church is supposed to be about getting people in touch with God.
---Cluny on 10/24/10


The concept of "church" during these end times is a big delusion. Churches are not buildings, non-profit organizations, or denominations. The true church is none of these. The true church is people. It is God's people who make up the church.

The denominational "church" is a product of Satan. He divides the people into their own little cults (denominations) each having their own traditions, rituals, ways of living, and interpretation of the bible. Living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle, not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational churches. They do not want you to go out into the world to preach the gospel. They want you to be hearers only and stay in church and be "good" people.
---Steveng on 10/24/10


Sag:
What you say is probably true for a large number of churches. But there are still many small churches, without real "public" ministry, whose congregants are too poor to pay income tax, or, at least, too poor to itemize their returns. They contribute because the church is important in their lives and the pastor needs support.

Of course, these churches tend to be more in touch with the people in their church.
---Donna66 on 10/24/10


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They only care about the people being in touch with them when the collection plates are passed, or they tell people they need to purchase their books, CD's, or DVD's.
---Rob on 10/24/10

I believe that this has to do with USA Churches being Non-Profit Corporations or Businesses. And Congregations getting Tax Deductions for Donations/Contributions.

Because of these arrangements, Churches, and their Pastors/Teachers/Elders -- HAVE to do what they HAVE to do -- to keep their Members/Congregations "satisfied" and "happy". This keeps the Donations/Contributions coming in.

Often, GOD, and caring for people too, gets a lower priority than keeping the Business going. It's part of living in the USA.
---Sag on 10/24/10


If a Church becomes out of touch with the people its because the Church has become out of touch with God. A secular church dies due to having programs in the Church which equals to the entertainment in the secular world. When there is no anointing or true power of God in a Church it dies and so do its people. The focus must always be on God,pleasing him,loving him,obeying him bringing his Word so that the people will get a new transfussion of the Spirit when they attend. When God's Love and Power are in operation in a Church and the people pray for their pastor and he for them,then everything else falls in place.
---Darlene_1 on 10/24/10


Cluny wrote,"Churches are not supposed to get in touch with people" but how does this statement agree with Luke 14:23,"And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled."?
---mima on 10/24/10


churches are out of touch with the people in them..because of the spirit of fear.fear of rejection and acceptance. fear of not living up to what is expected out of them.being judgemental is a human downfall.
---Kem on 10/24/10


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Many Churches, especially "MEGA CHURCHES" don't care about people knowing or being in touch with God.

The leadership in these places probably can care less about being in touch with the congregation.

They only care about the people being in touch with them when the collection plates are passed, or they tell people they need to purchase their books, CD's, or DVD's.
---Rob on 10/24/10


The churches have gotten so big that many times the focus has shifted from salvation and preparing a bride that the pastors no longer know their flocks.
Shepherds should know each member and be able to pray for them and seek the spiritual needs of each individually.
True shepherds know each lamb and sheep and knows when one is missing or goes astray.
He is willing to lay down his life to defend it from beasts and wolves.
If the pastors would seek to build the temple as in the individual person (temple of the Holy Ghost) rather than the building and size of the congegation they would know each.
Too many have gotten out of touch because their focus is wrong.
---Frank on 10/24/10


I suppose it depends on what churches you've been going to.

Churches are not supposed to get in touch with people, but help the people get in touch with God.
---Cluny on 10/23/10


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