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Different End-Time Views

Please explain the different views in, Amillennialism, Premillennialism, and Postmillennialism.

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Jerry //Mat 5:18,19 ...Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Did Christ fulfill the law? Is the church still under Old Covenant laws?

//Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: ...

Every person alive has broken 'the least of the commandments' (and in one way or the others continues to do so) and under the law, we can only be condemned (James 2:10, Romans 7:14f).

However, as Christians we know our justification is not not of the law but of faith in Christ, who is our righteousness, redemption, & sanctification.(Romans 3:20,1 Cor. 1:30)
---leej on 11/19/10


Mark of beast and time of great trouble -> jesus returns all who have not accepted him die by the brightness of his coming-> dead in christ rise, those alive in christ changed and all cought up to meet with him in the air-> All go to heaven and reign as judges for 1000 years -> New jerusalen with the saints come down from heaven-> uunrighteous dead raised -> white throne judgment-> fire from heaven kills all unrighteous-> recreation of heaven and earth-> All righteous live forever on earth
---francis on 11/19/10


Syvannah //God commands us to observe His Sabbath day.

New Testament book, chapter & verse please!!!!.

Think of it, You may be the very very first to find a command in the New Testament that commands obedience to the Jewish Sabbath.

All the rest of us can only see Romans 14 which states "One man considers one day more sacred than another, another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

And since the Jewish sabbath was not not observed by Gentiles churches at the end of the first century, do you say the Apostles and their succcessors failed to teach the Sabbath?
---leej on 11/19/10


Christ stated that he did not come to abolish God's commandments. God commands us to observe His Sabbath day. Individual believers need to submit to the Father. Christ said that nothing (not even one dot) from the written law of the Father will ever be wiped away. Christ also sent us the Holy Spirit in order to become spirit filled. Being spirit filled is shown by one's fruits (works)! Seek the Father on how to please Him. To seek means to earnestly search for the Father's approval. You must work at this in order to enter into God's wisdom by studying Christ's WORDS. Christ was and is our Master teacher. His words enlighten us to understand God's wisdom. That is why Christ said no one comes to the Father except through me.
---Syvannah on 11/19/10


Lee: Does not the scripture say:

Mat 5:18,19 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What do you think they are saying about you up there?
---jerry6593 on 11/19/10




Oh for pete sakes. Did God name teh days first, while He did each on each day. Did God say, and teh fist day will be called Sunday? Or is that an english word. Sunday.

The seventh day of the week is not called sabbath. It's called in English, Saturday, and we all know saturday is the 7th day in America and other english speaing cointries.

Can anyone tell me how to say Sunday or Saturday in German? BUT the sabbath in any language is the 7th day regardless.

God rested form all HIS WORK on the 7th and RESTED sanctifying it. GOD did no work after the 7th day. NOTHING NEW did God create after the 7th!

So what exactly does this have to do with the QUESTION?
---kathr4453 on 11/18/10


Mark_V: "Even with all your computer knowledge you still have not found one passage where God said He started creation on Sunday and rested on Saturday, and not one passage where God said to make the Sabbath Saturday. Ask the computer, maybe you will find one, and then tell us where."

For two years I've been telling you the truth concerning the Sabbath, but you are spiritually blind to see the truth. All you know is the worldly knowledge of God, but you simply don't understand the spiritual knowledge of God. You seek answers that only words can tell you, but the bible has answers the are in ideas, not in verses. You are looking at the trees (the verses) and miss the forest (the context).

And you think God is a hen.
---Steveng on 11/18/10


//you have an issue, I do not have an issue with salvation.

Does not the scripture say or at least imply that God so loved the world that He gave His own begotten Son that whomsoever believes in Him and obeys the 10 commandments will be saved.(esp. the Jewish Sabbath John 3:16 Adventist version)?

Jerry's problem is that he if often blind to his own sinfulness, thinking he must achieve perfection in the law before he will merit eternal life.

Those in Christ, are sinners saved by grace, not by works. Eph. 2:8-10 is very plain on that issue.
---leej on 11/18/10


Jerry, you have an issue, I do not have an issue with salvation. Nothing I say can change your heart. As I said before, God is the one changing hearts, not me. You ask a question for a different purpose, just like Jack to try to find fault and not for the glory of God. I have seen all your questions and the answers you have been given by everyone, and till today, you have not change. So my answer to you is useless. Why make the effort. I will wait till God does some changes and then I will answer your question concerning salvation by Grace through faith and not by works of the law.
---Mark_V. on 11/18/10


MarkV: Yes indeed! Christ has done and is doing much for me. But that is not the issue we were discussing. Do you think that you have an "indulgence" to sin (i.e., break the Ten Commandments)?
---jerry6593 on 11/18/10




Steven G, you cannot shame me, but you can try again all you want. You never mentioned to anyone to read the Bible on line. You tell them to look for words, and even give the words you want them to look up. I tell you to read your Bible and look for the Words God has to say. You say that is worldly kind of way, but people have been doing that before computers were even invented because, faith comes from hearing, hearing the word of God.

Even with all your computer knowledge you still have not found one passage where God said He started creation on Sunday and rested on Saturday, and not one passage where God said to make the Sabbath Saturday. Ask the computer, maybe you will find one, and then tell us where.
---Mark_V. on 11/18/10


Mark_V: "Steven G, the reason I know that those passages are not in the Bible is because I read the Bible."

You understand the bible in a worldly sort of way.

Mark_V: "I do not go on line to find words as you do, getting the opinion of others."

Doing an online KJV bible search is God's word not the opinions of others.

Mark_V: "Second, "You do not tell people to read the Bible on line, you tell them to look for words on line."

The KJV bible is easier to search for certain topics when you enter that particular topic, i.e. "sabbath," in the search field.
---Steveng on 11/17/10


Jerry, sounds like Christ did something for you too, if you are saved by the Works of Christ on the Cross. If not then you are still under condemnation. Pretty simple.
---Mark_V. on 11/17/10


Steveng ... "Underground railroads" for christians to escape are, at this very moment, being prepared

????
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/17/10


MarkV: Let me see if I've got this straight. In your view, the Ten Commandment Law is STILL in effect, but it doesn't apply to people like you who are the "chosen" ones. Sure sounds like you were granted "indulgences". Kinda Catholic, huh?
---jerry6593 on 11/17/10


Steven G, the reason I know that those passages are not in the Bible is because I read the Bible. I do not go on line to find words as you do, getting the opinion of others. I have the Scriptures in front of me and enough information to be able to say you are wrong about Saturday Sabbath.
Second, "You do not tell people to read the Bible on line, you tell them to look for words on line."
---Mark_V. on 11/17/10


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Mark_V: "Steven G, I do not have to do a web search of anything."

For two years I've been trying to get through to you that I am not asking anyone to search the web, but instead search the KJV bible using such online bibles as BibleGateway. And yet you still don't understand. When I'm asking someone to search the KJV bible that is exactly what everyone else does when they pick up a hard copy of the bible. The online bible bible search is a lot easier on folks. But you will not search the bible, hard copy or online, for truth so it appears that you have your own truths.
---Steveng on 11/16/10


leej: "It is really a matter of the covenant that God made first with Israel, namely that the 10 commandments is the Old covenant."

God ordained the seventh day for us to keep holy on the seventh day of creation, thousands of years before the nation of Israel, thousands of years before Moses. Before Moses the ten commandments were written upon the heart of man. Man's heart grew cold. That's why the commandments on stone.

The ten commandments is much like a home mortgage - the laws are the same, but the terms are different. The OT says, "thou shalt not murder." The NT says, "even if you think about it." Same law, different terms.
---Steveng on 11/16/10


Jerry, you ask for scripture that describes changes to the law under the new covenant.

Hebrews 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

And the law spoken here is the OT or Mosaic law.

In believing all 600+ OT laws were written on hearts and minds of believers is totally ludicrous.

As for the 10 commandments (ministry of death & condemnation), both Ex. 34:28 & Deut. 4:13 speaks of it as the Old Covenant that become obsolete and vanished away with the introduction of the New. See Hebrews 8:13.

Anticipating your silly view we can sin whenever we wish, moral law will never change as it is inherent in both God and those created in His image.
---leej on 11/16/10


Jerry, you said,

"Even Jesus confirms in Mat 5 that the Ten Commandment Law lasts as long as heaven and earth. Only you and MarkV teach to the contrary."

Of course the law is in effect right now, and until the Day of the Lord. It is what condemns the lost. It has not gone away. All of the lost are condemned by the Law. And until they are saved by the Grace of God through faith, they will continue condemned.
For there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 11/16/10


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Steven G, I do not have to do a web search of anything. I know for a fact that there is no Scripture where God ordered anyone to keep Saturday Sabbath. Not one passage, sorry. You can do all the searches you want and you will not find one passage. He said the Seventh day but did not say the seventh day was Saturday. Since Scripture tells us He rested on the seventh day, Scripture does not tell us what day that was either. Or what day He started creation. He could have started on Monday, or Tuesday. Man made the seventh day Saturday, not God. So your advice is not from Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 11/16/10


Lee, buddy, you're back!

"The church is under the New Covenant in which there is no Saturday Sabbath."

Again I ask you for the scripture that describes changes to the law under the new covenant. As you well know, Paul quotes Jeremiah almost verbatim in Heb 8:8-11, and states ONLY that THE LAW will be written in hearts and minds rather than stone. That makes THE LAW of the Old Testament New Covenant the same as THE LAW of the New Testament New Covenant - The ENTIRE Ten Commandments.

Even Jesus confirms in Mat 5 that the Ten Commandment Law lasts as long as heaven and earth. Only you and MarkV teach to the contrary.
---jerry6593 on 11/16/10


Steven G 2: I do know why you answered me that we need to have the Ten Commandments and not nine. The very reason you said you answer me to shame me. That drives you. Not God the Father, not God the Son or the Holy Spirit, but another spirit within you, for I never said there was nine. I never said not to worship God either. So your attempts, again, to shame me are useless. You try to shame someone who is bringing the Truth, a messenger of God. But you cannot shame the message.
God no where said that He begin creation on Sunday, and that the Seventh day was Saturday. What you need is to go join a Christ Church instead of persecuting them.
---Mark_V. on 11/16/10


//Third, why would God ordain the seventh day in the beginning, take it away, and then re-establish it in the future.

It is really a matter of the covenant that God made first with Israel, namely that the 10 commandments is the Old covenant.

Ex 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights, he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

De 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments, and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
The church is under the New Covenant in which there is no Saturday Sabbath.
---leej on 11/15/10


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Satan is the author of confusion, and he jests at all of these different views regarding his final demise. It is quite possibly to Satan's advantage, if believers disagree and argue about insignificant matters such as this, as this can delay the preaching of the Gospel throughout the entire Earth. If believers in Christ would only believe in one view, the one that says Christ will come back as our Messiah and King at the appointed time that pleases the Father, then Christians could go about the business of the Father. Believe in Christ and follow the words that came out of his mouth.
---Syvannah on 11/15/10


Mark_V: "Jerry, ...you have not provided the passage where you said God commanded His people to observe Saturday Sabbath.

First, christians are grafted into the jewish tree. Even though God oradained the seventh day, it was thousands of years before the jews became a nation - and they observed the seventh day (it could have been any other day, but it just so happens it falls on the saturday of the gregorian calendar)

Second, christian are to obey the ten commandments, not the nine that you obey.

Third, why would God ordain the seventh day in the beginning, take it away, and then re-establish it in the future?

Last, christians need the sabbath today more than any other period in history.
---Steveng on 11/15/10


Mark V, do an online KJV bible search for the word "sabbath." Do some real bible study for once instead of listening to other people like myself.

The bible warns the christians during the end times when a certain event happens that christians pray that their flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. "Underground railroads" for christians to escape are, at this very moment, being prepared.
---Steveng on 11/15/10


Jerry, that is your own opinion and your opinion means beans to me. And beans bring nothing but gas and I have to pass that gas. A little humor just for you.
To this day you have not provided the passage where you said God commanded His people to observe Saturday Sabbath. Maybe that is what bothers you the most. You have not found it and it bothers you that I ask for it.
---Mark_V. on 11/15/10


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MarkV: "Jerry, I can discern "Truth". not "your thoughts" get it right."

Sorry Mark, but you can't discern either, as you have abundantly proved on this website.
---jerry6593 on 11/13/10


Jerry, I can discern "Truth". not "your thoughts" get it right.
---Mark_V. on 11/12/10


MarkV: "Jerry, I never said what you quoted, only you could come out with that.

'MarkV: OK. So you CAN "discern" my thoughts by the power of Jesus Christ.'"

You wrote:

"I do not have to have psychic powers to know your purpose, I was given discernment. And can discern very well thanks to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

Perhaps you should read what you write, although I can understand why you wouldn't want to.
---jerry6593 on 11/11/10


Steven G, you are correct. If a person was to walk in any Christian book store you will find books that have no use to someone who wants to learn about God. Most books on the shelves sell real fast because people are more interested in what others have to say about certain problems and not to learn the Word of God. The theolgy section only have about ten books. If a person is looking for real teaching on subjects of Scripture you do not find it there, you have to order those kind of books through the web or have the name of the book and the store usually orders them for you. Most of the books in the stores are from the Word of Faith Movement. They are the most popular.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/10


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Jerry, I never said what you quoted, only you could come out with that.

"MarkV: OK. So you CAN "discern" my thoughts by the power of Jesus Christ."

I never said that. I can discern Truth and you have not given any yet. The revealed word of the Spirit condemns anyone staying under the law, for through the Law there is no salvation, only death. Only through Christ can you be free indeed and have life. Very simple. Saturday Sabbath is still in effect to those who are not in Christ. Those who are not in Christ are condemned by the Law, for the Law brings death.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/10


Walk into any christian bookstore and see the many books having different interpretations of end-time events.

Do not concern yourself with worldly interpretations, only what the bible reveals. Just be aware of these events. Take each day as it comes and the preophesies concerning the end days will be revealed as they come about. Although there are prophets walking the streets throughout the world, the outpouring of God's spirit, very few christians are listening. today's christians are experiencing the strong delusion of thinking they are christians and choose not to listen to these street prophets because they do not conform to any denominational doctrines. christians will not even listen to the two prophets mentioned in Revelation.
---Steveng on 11/9/10


"a-millennial" is without a thousand years, "pre-millennial" is prior to the thousand years, and "post-millennial" is following the thousand years. Please Read- Revelation 20:4-15+ 21:1.
---Eloy on 11/8/10

Simple, yet comprehensive. Brother Eloy on the case.
---larry on 11/9/10


"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36) "Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11)

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." (2 Peter 3:10 and more in verses 11 & 12)
---christan on 11/8/10


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"a-millennial" is without a thousand years, "pre-millennial" is prior to the thousand years, and "post-millennial" is following the thousand years. Please Read- Revelation 20:4-15+ 21:1.
---Eloy on 11/8/10


Pre and mid tribers please provide a scripture that says Jesus said he is coming back before the tribulation or coming back in the middle
---brian_nelson on 11/2/10

Please show me a scripture that calls the events of The Revelation "tribulation".

Rev 6:17 says that the events that follow the opening of the sixth seal are "the day of wrath" for Him who Sits on the Throne and for the Lamb.

The tribulation is already finished and the wrath is now starting after the opening of the sixth seal.

Rom 1 says that God's wrath is being stored up for the unrighteous, so the righteous must not be present. Christ must come and removed the righteous before the wrath starts.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/8/10


MarkV: OK. So you CAN "discern" my thoughts by the power of Jesus Christ. Wow! That puts you in the same class as Catherine. Fancy that. So I will suggest to you as I have to her that you "try the spirits (1John 4:1)". I doubt seriously that the spirit that tells you my thoughts is from Jesus, as He would not speak contrary to His word as you do.

Isa 8:20 To the LAW and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

And please refrain from your malapropism "believes" in place of "beliefs" when writing to me. It's just too laughable.
---jerry6593 on 11/8/10


Rhonda--
//placate her if you choose you agree by allowing her deception//

I don't agree, but I don't have the power to "allow" or "disallow" her delusion. She doesn't care whether or not I agree with her. I'm not her psychiatrist or parent or pastor. She will believe what she will believe. I just don't take it seriously.

It might be different if she was in a position of authority and leading others astray. But I'm quite sure that is not the case.
---Donna66 on 11/7/10


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Jerry, I answer by the evidence I read from your blogs. I believe it's evident to many already except not many will say so. As I did. You stand for your denomination's believes on Saturday Sabbath. Oh, you answer some other questions alright. Politics and others in which I agree with. But your goal is very evident. I do not have to have psychic powers to know your purpose, I was given discernment. And can discern very well thanks to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I do not get angry at all with anyone on line. I pray for everyone on line. You too. For God to reveal His Truth to everyone, to keep them save and healthy, to bring them closer to God. I do not even try to tease anyone, for they or others might take it wrong.
---Mark_V. on 11/7/10


Alan: "I think we all perhaps take ourselves a little bit too seriously."

How true! One cannot survive on this website with thin skin.
---jerry6593 on 11/7/10


I think these last few posts should be considered carefully, for they show how one persons slight jest can be taken too seriously and lead to a bit of anger.

I think we all perhaps take ourselves a little bit too seriously. It's easy to mistake a bit of teasing as an attack, or questioning can be taken as a challenge.
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/6/10


MarkV: I'm not the one making fun of Catherine - you do err! And, for the record, you have indeed claimed to know my motives for my blog entries numerous times. Why else would I tease you about your psychic abilities?
---jerry6593 on 11/6/10


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catherine manifests unrestrained impulses, and then attributes her spurious words as divine when they are manifested to be not inSpirited and not from Christ. Let's just pray for her to come into a right relationship with Jesus. As for mispellings and electronic typos, they usually do not deter from what the meaning the poster is posting, but sometimes I witness that these incorrect displays do deter and change the meaning of what was intended, and so then a correction can be re-posted.
---Eloy on 11/6/10


Jerry, Im not infallible or perfect. But I never accuse others when they mispell something. And for the record, I do not read minds. I only read what others write here. I do no know why Catherine spells Cluny's name the way she does. She does alot of things and says alot of things differently then others that is for sure. But that is her character and you should already know that by now. No need to criticize her. She has as much right to answer as others. If she is wrong on the Word of God then you should answer with Scripture, not make fun of her. I have even asked her myself for her comments and she has not responded. She doesn't have to.
---Mark_V. on 11/6/10


Alan: "Oh dear Jerry, I made a typo."

No worries, mate. I was just having fun. We all make occassional typos, but the pedantic ones like Cluny also make them and rag on others for similar errors. I tend to only criticize those pedants who make errors in sentences wherein they are criticizing others for making similar errors. I guess I just enjoy the irony.

I don't know whether Catherine deliberately mispells Cluny's name or not. Perhaps we should ask MarkV, as he seems to be able to read others' minds. I used to spell his name C-looney - but just for fun.
---jerry6593 on 11/6/10


I often don't agree with her. Often wish she would give more scripture references. But she is a fellow Christian...can't see any reason to denigrate her.
****

ah what? someone claiming to be prophet speaking to God daily YET their words contradict Holy Scripture Apostles told us to call out these antichrists

placate her if you choose you agree by allowing her deception

as a CHRISTIAN her outrageous statements AGAINST Holy Word of God should be marked

its one thing to have a doctrine in error believing it because one has been TAUGHT by false ministers ...altogether different to be claiming one is a prophet and speaks to God

we are her entertainment "in another christ"
---Rhonda on 11/5/10


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Oh dear Jerry, I made a typo.

But it was unintentional.

I feel though that Catherine deliberately misspells Cluny's name
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/4/10


To alll, I ask you to please be kind and considerate to Cluny. Let us enjoy Cluny's open cynicism, he stands trapped in ritualism and false teachings. But God loves
Cluny just as much as any of us so let's keep that in mind when we speak of him.
---mima on 11/4/10


alan: "Clucy is not CUNY"

Who is Clucy?

Cluny doesn't even know who he is. He has claimed to be a "cat" and live in "Middle Earth". He doesn't know whether to believe the Bible or Darwin and Hawking. He complains of Catherine's lack of scriptural knowledge, but has admitted being scripturally wrong on occassion himself.

As for Catherine, I agree with Donna66. She may be a bit "different", but she has as much right to state her beliefs as anyone else. She's trying to have a legitimate discussion on a valid Bible topic, but the real low-lifes can only attack her personally rather than engaging in meaningful dialog. Shame on them!
---jerry6593 on 11/4/10


\\But she is a fellow Christian...\\

Considering the messages from the familiars she calls 'god" and "jesus," I wonder.

What they say invariably conflicts with the Bible.
---Cluny on 11/4/10


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Rhonda -- Catherine has as much right to contribute her thoughts here as anybody else.
I often don't agree with her. Often wish she would give more scripture references. But she is a fellow Christian...can't see any reason to denigrate her.
---Donna66 on 11/3/10


\\That is Scripture. It's in there somewhere!
---catherine on 10/28/10
\\

Once more catherine exposes her nebulous knowledge of just what's in the Bible.
---Cluny on 11/1/10
*****

Cluny please ...you only encourage her to continue randomly posting her nonsense ...we all know she is the infamous self proclaimed non-scriptural hallucinating prophetess who is here for her own entertainment purposes only ...try to refrain from answering her unless she is spattering on incessantly with her foolishness ...what I mean is I'm sure at some point on some topic she HAS actually contributed some value with Scripture - ok most likely not....
---Rhonda on 11/3/10


II Peter 2:1-3 Tells us that during his time there were false prophets among the people, and there will be false teachers among us in this day. There are anti-christ in this day. You are anti-christ when you ignore Jesus words in Matt. 24:29 he says immediatley after the tribulation then shall the Son of man come and the angels will gather together the elect. Pre and mid tribers please provide a scripture that says Jesus said he is coming back before the tribulation or coming back in the middle I have provided you scripture, please dont insult Jesus with I Thess. 4 that only tells us what would happend when Jesus comes.
---brian_nelson on 11/2/10


\\That is Scripture. It's in there somewhere!
---catherine on 10/28/10
\\

Once more catherine exposes her nebulous knowledge of just what's in the Bible.
---Cluny on 11/1/10


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Once more catherine answers her own question.

Seems to me that earlier you posted that you got confused when you studied different prophetical interpretations.

Why the sudden clarity now?
---Cluny on 10/31/10


Broadly there are three schools of thought "a", "pre", and "post"....Despite the differences on the details, all evangelicals are firmly committed to the literal second coming of JESUS CHRIST+ Premillennialism>>>Contend the millennium [1000 years Jesus will reign on earth], is actually begun only with the cataclysmic arrival of Jesus in His second coming as indicated by Revelation 19:11-21. Only then do we see the reign on this earth....By reading the book of Revelation in chronological progression a scenario naturally unfolds. Premillennialism have appealed to the many O.T. prophecies given by God concerning the nation of Israel and the land of Canaan, such as Jer. 30:33, Ezek. 36:37, 40-48, and others. Cont.
---catherine on 10/28/10


Cont: Some pre's further argue that O.T. prophecies should not be spiritualized or allegorized but allowed to stand as prophecies made to Israel. Just as prophecies concerning Christ's first coming were fulfilled literally, so will those of His second coming....Jesus spoke of inheriting the earth in His sermon on the mount [Psa. 37]. "Post" argue that Christ returns after the 1000 years, the "pre's" argue Christ comes before the 1000 years, Amillennialist also contend that the Lord comes after the 1000 years but, they understand the 1000 years differently. The end....Thanks Jesus, for all your help+
---catherine on 10/28/10


"You people are worrying atoo much about who I am"-catherine.
Well catherine,you put yourself out there.
You can be anybody you want to be on the internet.
---earl on 10/28/10


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So far in reading I believe that I favor the {Premillennislists view], but, I shall now do the Postmillennialist: is that the gospel will advance victoriously in the world, Christianize the nations, [wouldn't that be nice], and usher in a golden age [the thousand years: literal or symbolic of an extended period of time]. Check out Matt. 16. Note: Gates are not used in attack but in defense [Mark 30-32].....In Revelation 7:9-10, a great multitude is seen as redeemed. This is seen by postmillennialists as the great advance and victory of the gospel in the world. Thank You Jesus+ Ahh.
---catherine on 10/28/10


\\CLUNY>>>You are advocating witch-craft\\

Can you be specific about how I'm advocationg witchcraft, other than by questioning the prophetic gifts you claim for yourself?
---Cluny on 10/28/10


You people are worrying to much about who I am!...That reminds me, I have to finish this blog....You have nothing to fear from me. FEAR GD.
---catherine on 10/28/10


Were Catherine a real prophet, she would know that Clucy is not CUNY

But of course, as we have the gift of discernment, we know that she is trying to be offensive
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/28/10


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Amillennialism was mentioned already. Premillinealism JESUS comes before the thousand years mentioned in Revelation. Postmillneialism after the 1000 years. Post tend to teach the world will get better.

Pre has sub groups. Pretrib, midtrib and post trib all of which have to do with the rapture at the beginning of the milleniam. All three teacher things will get worse for christian. Some teach reign on earth some in heaven.
---Samuel on 10/28/10


CLUNY>>>You are advocating witch-craft....God gives us all some intelligence, at birth. What happen to what God gave you, my friend? Please, try and go and find it, or do you believe that you got yours from an APE? Well, I get my intelligence from God and my knowledge, from God....Hallelujah.+++ Have a good day. Be nice, won't get you to heaven. ONLY THE BLOOD....That is Scripture. It's in there somewhere!
---catherine on 10/28/10


\\EARL>>>>must be CUNY. No fair using different names.
---catherine on 10/26/10\\

Were you the prophet you claimed to be, catherine, you would know that I am NOT Earl.

**Amillennialists also believe in a single cataclysmic end, which leaves no room for a literal thousand year reign of Christ on this earth. **

The millennium is an earthly, worldly kingdom that comes to an end.

Jesus's Kingdom will have no end.

He also said, "My kingdom is NOT of this world."
---Cluny on 10/28/10


Bruce stated it is an easy look up.I agree.They all are "isms".
"isms" are not hard to find or define in the age of electronic communication.Someone has already done the homework for us.
No,I am not cluny.I am just making a simple observation by reading two blogs with the same name where one catherine says she is prophet.
Now the catherine prophet after asking for a explaination of three "isms" has provided all with a definition of ammillennialism and another "ism" "view" on the way.I am now am half curious about the usage of catherine's word " view" and if this is a word description used to gather information but I will move on..
---earl on 10/26/10


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All of these views you mentioned are presented by reknown men/women who have studied these views, and use Scripture to document their views, but none have really presented conclusive evidence that would cancell any of their opponents views. "Amillennialism" holds that the 1,000 reign of Christ is symbolic not real, although they do hold to a judgemnt of Christ. "Premillennialism" is a view that claims Christ will "rapture" the church before the Great Tribulation. "Postmillinnialism" claims Christ will return to earth after the Great Tribulation. An additional view, that you didn't ask about, concerns a "rapture" half way though the tribulation called, "The Mid-Trib."
---wivv on 10/26/10


How everybody doing this morning? Amillennialist: Links the thousand years beginning with the binding of the devil [Rev. 20:2-3] which he interprets as having taken place at the first coming of Christ. Amillennialists also believe in a single cataclysmic end, which leaves no room for a literal thousand year reign of Christ on this earth. Ephesians 1:10 and Romans 8:18-23 suggest one event. Jesus Himself spoke of "that day" in which resurrection takes place in a classic passage. The resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous appears to take [place on the same day [John 5: 24-29]....I will do another view, God willing later.
---catherine on 10/26/10


I do not believe that Cluny is earl even thought both ask the same question and Cluny has asked similar questions before. As Harold said, it is not necessary to bring that up since Catherine did not mention on her question she did not know. She mentioned only to explain the different views. Which is a good question so that others can give their believes by Scripture. Being a prophet does not mean you know everything. Jehovah Witnessess believe they are prophets yet they know little Truth.
---MarkV. on 10/26/10


Earl, we don't need to pick on any one, that will get us to no good results.
Greater minds than mine have debated the three views for thousands of years and there is still not clear agreement.
I personally am Pre-trib. It took a long study on Christ's ministry to the Jews during his 3 1/2 years work. This in view with God's promise to the Abraham and Israel convinced me that the church age will end in the rapture but His work with the Jews must be completed. God is faithful to all his promises, even those made in the Old Testament. Also it take away the lost sinners argument that if there were no Satan they would have believed because Satan was bound for that time and no change happened to them.
---Harold on 10/26/10


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EARL>>>>must be CUNY. No fair using different names.
---catherine on 10/26/10


Earl
Very good question!

And, if this is the same Catherine, I suggest you follow your own advice and look it up! This is an easy job for any search engine.
---Bruce5656 on 10/26/10


If you are the same catherine on the other blog who stated you are a prophet then why has God not revealed this answer you seek ?
---earl on 10/25/10


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