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Religious Rituals Save You

Is a person SAVED BY GRACE, through having FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE, or do you believe they must also go through some type of religious ritual or ceremony?

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\\Or for that matter, the song "Just As I Am"?
---Mary on 11/21/10\\

Nothing in itself.

But its use by fundagelicostals to try to get people to walk down the aisle in response to an emotional appeal is a dead work that never saved anybody. Especially when Jesus Himself said to "count the cost."

BTW--did you know it was originally a communion hymn? It's a paraphrase of a prayer by St. Ambrose of Milan.
---Cluny on 11/21/10


The problem with "the sinners prayer" is that it can be like other rituals where a person may think that doing that particular act or acts "saves" them.

The issue is one's heart toward God and what they do with Jesus Christ, not a ritual or sinners prayer, although one's heart may be changed at the time of a "sinner's prayer" or ritual. An honest prayer to God through Jesus Christ is what God is seeking. He is Big enough not to get too concerned about the technicalities.
---Rod4Him on 11/22/10


I am familiar with the Necene Creeds, and they do not save anyone. You can believe all the creeds you want and they will not save you. You can only be saved by the Grace of God through faith. Nothing else will help you. Once grace through faith comes from God, You will confess through faith, that Jesus is Lord, because you will know the Truth already.

"If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe (by faith) in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation"
---Mark_V. on 11/22/10


"[what's] wrong with the sinner's prayer?" (mary)

1) It is a dead work.
2) The formula itself (with varies from sect to sect) is non-biblical.
3) It purposes the false belief that salvation is obtained and kept through the mere utterance of a prayer.
4) According to the Scriptures, salvation is a path, started when one hear the Gospel (Rom 10:17), believe the Gospel (Acts 2:38a), repent (ibid, Acts 16:31), obey the Gospel (James 1:22), receive Water Baptism (ibid, Mark 16:16, etc), receive Christmation ("laying on the hands"), and strive to reach theosis, by the Grace of Jesus Christ with the participation of the Mysteries. There is no mention of a Sinner's Prayer. It is a precept of men.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/21/10


Cluny, what's supposed to be wrong with the sinner's prayer? Or for that matter, the song "Just As I Am"?
---Mary on 11/21/10




I've been in churches where they taught that you can be saved by walking down the aisle to "Just as I Am" or simiarly song vainly repeated and saying the non-Biblical "sinner's prayer".

These are dead works.
---Cluny on 11/20/10


OOPS!!! My comment about Creflo Dollar was meant for the blog about his wanting to shoot people who do not pay him their tithes.
---Rob on 11/9/10


"Saying words like the Nicene cred does not save a person. " (Samuel)

You are right. Just reciting these divinely inspired creeds without living a righteous life (through prayer, fasting, alms-giving, spiritual reading, etc) and participating in the Mysteries (or Sacraments) will profit no one. However, the Holy Nicene Creed and the Apostle's Creed are correct in it's statements, and if someone reject any of it's tenets, they have fallen away from the Truth.

"But if they trust rituals to save them while they just go through the motions then no they are just as lost as any member of any church who is a hypocrite."

I agree.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/9/10


". Catholics can be saved if they trust GOD for their salvation and walk in love. " (Samuel)

Yes, and all the Catholics (one being a nun) I know trust in God for their salvation and walk in love. Of course, they are Christians who put their trust in rituals, going to Divine Liturgies, but living "outside" the church.

I love them, and although we disagree on issues, I find them to be genuine examples of Christian piety.

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 11/9/10


//because Christ doesn't just believe, Christ KNOWS.//
I stand corrected Christ did know.
I am familiar with the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, I have read them just as you have, and I leave them where they are as uninspired words of man.
Apparently you put your faith in other "things" than the word of God, why?
---michael_e on 11/9/10




Saying words like the Nicene cred does not save a person. Catholics can be saved if they trust GOD for their salvation and walk in love.

But if they trust rituals to save them while they just go through the motions then no they are just as lost as any member of any church who is a hypocrite.
---Samuel on 11/8/10


\\Christ believed as he gave it to Paul, Paul believed it as he gave it to us.\\

I'm not too sure what "Christ believed" means in this context. Are you? It seems to me the phrase is meaningless (like "underwear for the deaf"), because Christ doesn't just believe, Christ KNOWS.

In any case, are you familiar with the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds?
---Cluny on 11/8/10


//That means that Catholics are saved, because the Apostle's and Nicene Creeds both express faith in these.---Cluny on 11/8/10//

If that is what it means to you, would that be a good thing?

Christ believed as he gave it to Paul, Paul believed it as he gave it to us.

We can either believe it or not, I choose to believe it as it is written.
---michael_e on 11/8/10


Creflo Dollar and those like him is proof the Word of God is true, 2 Peter Chapter Two, Matthew 7:13-14, and 2 Timothy 4:3-4.

They claim to be people of God, but in reality they are BASTARDS Hebrews 12:7-8, and they are SERVANTS OF SATAN 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.

They also all deserve death Romans 1:28-32.
---Rob on 11/8/10


LOOK OUT now, WATC IT, there is such a thing as BLIND FAITH. Good morning.
---catherine on 11/8/10


\\Believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ does "get you saved" according to 1Cor 15, 1Thess 4 etc.
---michael_e on 11/8/1\\

That means that Catholics are saved, because the Apostle's and Nicene Creeds both express faith in these.
---Cluny on 11/8/10


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Baprism, foot washing, communion / Lord's supper, ordinations, laying on of hands, fasting, are all rituals, and are all commanded by God. Why would a person who refuses to follow those rituals be saved? How does God save those who remain rebelious?
---francis on 11/8/10


//Does just believing something get you saved, michael_e?
---Cluny on 11/7/10//
No, just believing "some thing" does not get you saved.

Believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ does "get you saved" according to 1Cor 15, 1Thess 4 etc.
---michael_e on 11/8/10


\\//Paul,in the gospel revealed to him says in 1 Cor 15:1-4, salvation comes by believing in the He died, was buried and rose again plus nothing Mormons believe this, too. Are they saved? ---Cluny on 11/6/10//
The apostle Paul writing by inspiration believed it, is he saved?
---michael_e on 11/7/10\\

Does just believing something get you saved, michael_e?
---Cluny on 11/7/10


//Paul,in the gospel revealed to him says in 1 Cor 15:1-4, salvation comes by believing in the He died, was buried and rose again plus nothing Mormons believe this, too. Are they saved? ---Cluny on 11/6/10//
The apostle Paul writing by inspiration believed it, is he saved?
---michael_e on 11/7/10


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Actually Catherine, Cluny is right.

Christ told that to Pontius Pilate. No one had power except for God.
And Christ chose to lay his life down for the sins of the world. That was the plan from the beginning. So really Christ was not murdered.
He chose death. No one had power over him.
---ginger on 11/7/10


Keep on saying that Jesus was murdered, catherine.

Repeat it from now until the Parousia.

It will not make it so, according to His own words.
---Cluny on 11/7/10


Mark 10:45>>>Jesus had foretold His death and resurrection several times, the impending doom would lead to ultimate victory. The Ransom would be paid, slaves of sin set free....I have to tell You Jesus, you are quiet a God to put-up with me.....Now, cuny....Matthew 26:4>>> At the meeting, they planned TO SET A TRAP to arrest Jesus and kill Him. Murdered, premeditated, my Lord and My God.. He allowed yes, all the same the worse crime ever committed in human history. Oh my God Hallelujah.
---catherine on 11/6/10


\\\\Paul,in the gospel revealed to him says in 1 Cor 15:1-4, salvation comes by believing in the He died, was buried and rose again plus nothing.
---michael_e on 11/5/10\\\\

Catholics believe this about Jesus, but many people here think that Catholics aren't saved.

Mormons believe this, too. Are they saved?
---Cluny on 11/6/10


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\\CLUNY>>>Jesus was Murderrrred. Murderrred, Murdereddddddd. Spell check for some reason seems confused!
---catherine on 11/6/10\\

Not half as confused as you are.

Mark 10:45
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.


17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus disagrees with you, catherine.

Repent.
---Cluny on 11/6/10


\\Paul,in the gospel revealed to him says in 1 Cor 15:1-4, salvation comes by believing in the He died, was buried and rose again plus nothing.
---michael_e on 11/5/10\\

That means the devil is saved.
---Cluny on 11/5/10

Devils believe there is one god. they do not believe on Jesus Christ. Satan nor any of his angels are saved.

they were trying to replace their one god with the God. but, they know what the end result is. that is why they tremble.
---aka on 11/6/10


CLUNY>>>Jesus was Murderrrred. Murderrred, Murdereddddddd. Spell check for some reason seems confused!
---catherine on 11/6/10


It is abundantly evident that there is not general agreement among Christians about HOW to be saved. I wonder if there is also wide disagreement on WHAT it means to be saved. Saved from what? Does saved from sin mean license to continue in sin? Does it mean a get-to-heaven-no-matter-what card? It seems to me that there must be more to it than the selfish what's-in-it-for-me approach.
---jerry6593 on 11/6/10


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\\Oh, now, come on Cuny, submit to God, get saved\\

I do, I have, and that's why I point out to you how far you are from the Word of God.

Notice that you do not refute what I say (namely that Jesus Himself said He was not murdered, as you falsely claim), but merely indulge in ad hominem arguments.
---Cluny on 11/6/10


Oh, now, come on Cuny, submit to God, get saved! I guess you got bored with some of the others, and now, you are back with me. Picking on me!
---catherine on 11/6/10


\\How ignorant these people were, they murdered God in the flesh,\\

Continually repeating that Jesus was murdered does not change the fact recorded in the Bible that He Himself said He was NOT murdered.

Why do you keep repeating things that contradict the Bible, catherine?
---Cluny on 11/6/10


Jesus came and died by wicked men in power. The only way to make it to heaven is through God's Blood. God in the flesh, died on that Cross. The worse crime in human history. How ignorant these people were, they murdered God in the flesh, and when one of God's own people are attacked, in-prisoned, murdered, persecuted, it is the same as doing it to God all over again....YOU WILL PAY! It is the Blood which saves, not faith. AhhhJesus+
---catherine on 11/5/10


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Is not walking down the aisle to "Just as I Am" or similar lyrics and saying the non-Biblical "sinner's prayer" a religious ritual?
---Cluny on 11/5/10


Cluny these verses cited by Michael E. proved beyond any doubt that you're wrong/
"\\Paul,in the gospel revealed to him says in 1 Cor 15:1-4, salvation comes by believing in the He died, was buried and rose again plus nothing.
---michael_e on 11/5/10\\

---mima on 11/5/10


//That means the devil is saved.
---Cluny on 11/5/10//
Maybe in one of your commentaries
---michael_e on 11/5/10


\\Paul,in the gospel revealed to him says in 1 Cor 15:1-4, salvation comes by believing in the He died, was buried and rose again plus nothing.
---michael_e on 11/5/10\\

That means the devil is saved.
---Cluny on 11/5/10


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//Is a person SAVED BY GRACE, through having FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE,//

without a doubt

Paul,in the gospel revealed to him says in 1 Cor 15:1-4, salvation comes by believing in the He died, was buried and rose again plus nothing.
---michael_e on 11/5/10


\\well Cluny you can look it up for yourself ...unless the Mod's can give us more words in our reply it would be IMPOSSIBLE to cite the many dozens of PROOFS here\\

In other words, you cannot prove your claim that the Roman Catholic Church adopted the Eucharist in the 1500 from Mithraic rituals that had been dead and forgotten for at least 1000 years beforehand.
---Cluny on 11/1/10


Devotees of Mithras left no written records of their rituals or beliefs.

All that is known about Mitraism today is what can be deduced from archeological evidence--artifacts, buildings, and the like. This is going to be conjectural.

As far as any connection between the Christian sacraments and Mitraism, there is ONE quote from St. Justin Martyr, who says that their meals were a satanic counterfeit of the Christian Eucharist.

Of course, Jewish festal meals still begin with a ceremonial blessing of bread and wine, so you could just as easily say that the Jews were influenced by Mithraism, Rhonda.
---Cluny on 11/1/10


Repentance (confess and turn away from sins) and trusting in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord (boss) is the ONLY thing that will save you - Romans 10:9-10, and 1 John 1:9 - Everything else other than that WILL lead to Hell and NO salvation. Jesus Himself said that He is the way, truth, and life, and NO one comes to the Father but by Him - John 14:6. Also Jesus said repent or perish (die and go to Hell)- Luke 13:3.
---Leslie on 11/1/10


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\\as for the shape ...oh good grief who cares ...it has NOTHING to do with the shape why are you all brainwashed and programed with the same DEFENSE response its insane!!!\\

You are the one who brought up the round Sun as being the shape of the wafers used in some churches, not I.

So who is being defensive and brainswashed?

\\FURTHER where are all your Scriptures PROVING Christ told his followers to worship and adore this pagan eucharist\\

The are right up there with the ones about using computers, brining your Bible to church, altar calls, invitation hymns, revivals, and sinner's prayers.
---Cluny on 10/31/10


Something else I've noticed about your posts, Rhonda.

They are usually coherent, but whenever you talk about what you think the Roman Catholic Church teaches, your antipathy eclipses not only logic, but even grammar and sentence structure, to say nothing about accuracy and facts.

Why is this?
---Cluny on 10/31/10


well Cluny you can look it up for yourself ...unless the Mod's can give us more words in our reply it would be IMPOSSIBLE to cite the many dozens of PROOFS here

as for the shape ...oh good grief who cares ...it has NOTHING to do with the shape why are you all brainwashed and programed with the same DEFENSE response its insane!!!

when you can take the time to read about Mirthas with your EYES wide open you would be stunned to see the relationship the pagan eucharist is an abomination to Holy Scriptures

FURTHER where are all your Scriptures PROVING Christ told his followers to worship and adore this pagan eucharist

you do SEE this eucharist is not in Scripture and neither Christ or His Apostles did this profane thing
---Rhonda on 10/31/10


\\mpossible for Paul to be talking about "eucharist" the MOTHER rcc Rev 17 did not adopt this pagan mirtha practice until council of trent in 1500's\\

Which is totally false.

Ignatius of Antioch, the young child Jesus sat in His lap when He said, "Suffer the little children...." wrote before the year 100 "the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ" and to have nothing to do with those who denied it.

Where on earth did you get that date, Rhonda?
---Cluny on 10/30/10


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Another thing, Rhonda.

Since Mithraism was a dead issue leaving almost nothing behind CENTURIES before the Council of Trent, how could the Roman Church have adopted the Eucharist from Mitraism?

Can you actually demonstrate any link between Mitraism and the decrees of Trent? I should be interested if you coud, for the first has left no documentation, but the second are easily available.

Furthermore, all the Eastern Churches, which had NOTHING to do with Trent, believed in the Eucharist.

As far as the shape, bread in the Middle East, in case you didn't know, is usually round.
---Cluny on 10/31/10


Paul talks about some of the errors the GENTILE Church of Corinth was making in their celebrations of the Eucharist.
****

eucharist is wafer symbolizing SUN instructed by men to worship this wafer in ADORATION per catechism ...eucharist points to another Christ 2Corin 11:4 not taught by Apostles many choose to reject

impossible for Paul to be talking about "eucharist" the MOTHER rcc Rev 17 did not adopt this pagan mirtha practice until council of trent in 1500's

eucharist is perfect example of rituals and ceremony of men adopted from pagans not taught by Christ or Apostles ...simply dead faith glorifying hollow unbiblical traditions of men that Biblical Christ WARNED about Mark 7:7-8, Matt 7:21, Rom 2:13
---Rhonda on 10/30/10


//Neither Baptism nor the Eucharist was given to the nation of Israel. Where did you get the idea they were? Not from Scripture, that's for sure.---Cluny on 10/29/10//
This may or may not be in your commentaries.
What do you suppose John the Baptist was baptizing?
---michael_e on 10/29/10


\\Read Romans 10:9-10, and 1 John 1:9, these are the verses that lead to salvation. Anything other than that is NOT salvation and leads to Hell.\\
---Leslie on 10/29/10

Leslie, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Verses 9-10 say "believe in your heart" and "confess Jesus as Lord"

Yet 3 verses later Paul said "call on the name of the Lord." No mention of either believing or confessing. Do you think Paul gave the true path, and then 3 verses later gave a road to hell?

Or is it possible that you have taken this passage so far out of context that you are leading people to hell? Bingo.
---James_L on 10/29/10


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Rob,
Thank you for saying so. I would like to state that just because I pointed out that particular scriputre does not mean that I believe baptism is essential to salvation.
---Bruce5656 on 10/29/10


\\You people can argue all you want. Mark 16 v 16 Is A Work. Praying Is A Work, the same with fasting, witnessing, bible reading etc. Matt.24 v 13.
---Lawrence on 10/29/10\\

We are not pure spirits, but have physical bodies as well.

Therefore, there will ALWAYS be externalities in being a Christian.
---Cluny on 10/29/10


Per Holy Scripture those In-Christ follow examples given by Christ yet many religious deceptions teach idea that following these examples is "works" then create many non-biblical rituals

today there are hundreds of non-biblical traditions NEVER taught by Christ or Apostles ...modern day Pharisee's the rcc has hundreds of non-biblical rituals/traditions accumulated over the years

Pharisee's had more than 600 rituals (mosaic laws) created by men to follow 10 Spiritual Laws aka 10 commandments ...Christ abolished mosaic laws

rituals ceremonies never observed or taught by Christ or Apostles are mens works and by observing one SERVES religious systems teachings rejecting Biblical Christ and Biblical teachings and faith
---Rhonda on 10/30/10


You people can argue all you want. Mark 16 v 16 Is A Work. Praying Is A Work, the same with fasting, witnessing, bible reading etc. Matt.24 v 13.
---Lawrence on 10/29/10


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Read Romans 10:9-10, and 1 John 1:9, these are the verses that lead to salvation. Anything other than that is NOT salvation and leads to Hell.
---Leslie on 10/29/10


\\//Thus you make the Word of God of none effect by your tradition.
---Cluny on 10/29/10//
Could be you make it of no effect, by taking something given to the Nation of Israel for yourself.
---michael_e on 10/29/10\\

Neither Baptism nor the Eucharist was given to the nation of Israel. Where did you get the idea they were? Not from Scripture, that's for sure.

St. Paul talks about some of the errors the GENTILE Church of Corinth was making in their celebrations of the Eucharist.

Try again.
---Cluny on 10/29/10


\\Can you show a place in scripture where John the Baptist was ever baptized with water?

In 1 Corinthians 1:13-17, the The Apostle Paul said he was not sent by Christ to baptize, but to preach the Gospel.\\

John's baptism was derived from the Jewish rite of Mikveh. While Christian baptism grew out of it, it is something quite different now. And if he were an Essene (as some say), he doubtless would have undergone the Rite of Mikveh himself.

St. Paul in the same chapter also says he baptized several people including the family (which would include children and even slaves) of Stephanas.
---Cluny on 10/29/10


God is most POWERFUL. Faith comes later. The Blood is now....The grace comes in when God says, "I am going to save you, because, I don't want to place you in HELL. That's it!+++Ahhh....Unbelievers has faith in their gods. They believe in their gods, too. Call us, men and women of God, the LIVING GOD. We need to separate ourselves from all fake religions. We don't just believeeee. We know. We know some things that's impossible for unbelievers to know. Haaa.
---catherine on 10/29/10


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Many are the persons trapped by works. Most denominational churches engage in works,oh they may say they do not but they do. Some are more blatant and obvious about it than others but most all have some works involved in their teachings. Teaching any works would have to involve a heresy still the individual person can be saved. And they can be saved without violating any of their denominational teachings. They can do this for following the instructions given in the Bible. By calling(asking)the Lord Jesus Christ to save their soul. But many are so blinded by denominational teachings that they cannot believe the simplicity of asking.
---mima on 10/29/10


Bruce5656 you were correct on 10/28/10.

Thank you for sharing Acts 9:18.

In the past I had studied about the conversion of the Apostle Paul, however I did not remember him being baptized.

Once again, thank you for sharing this passage of scripture.
---Rob on 10/29/10


"You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." (James 2:24) And James, in this same chapter gives examples of works which justify. They are not religious ritual works. They are not pre-planned copy-cat items. These are works of *personally* loving needy people (14-18), God (19-24) and His servants (25-26). And while we do works in God's love, God's love is curing our character so we become more and more just (justified) like how God's love in us is so right and the only right love to live. So, God's works exercise us in His love so we get stronger in this love (1 Peter 3:4) and become more pleasing to Him so we are ready for Jesus (1 John 4:17).
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/29/10


//Thus you make the Word of God of none effect by your tradition.
---Cluny on 10/29/10//
Could be you make it of no effect, by taking something given to the Nation of Israel for yourself.
---michael_e on 10/29/10


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LAWRENCE --- NO WORKS CAN SAVE ANYBODY

GALATIANS 2:16 KNOWING that a man is NOT JUSIFIED by the WORKS of the law, but by the faith of JESUS CHRIST,even we had believe in CHRIST,that we might be justified by the faith of CHRIST. AND NOT BY WORKS of the law.FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED,
(Once a person is save they do good works)

JAMES 2,25 FOR as body without the spirit is dead, so Faith with out works is dead.
---RICHARD on 10/28/10


Jesus said "false Christs" would arise and deceive many.

The Bible says that he was "made under the law to redeem that were under the law." What law? The law of sin and death. Death came by sin, and that sin was the animal that is man having the knowledge of good and evil. Jesus had a human will separate from God, if it's not true there's no point in him uttering the words "yet not my will be done but thine." So in this we see that he was fully human in flesh and spirit, yet without the commission of sin, and with an inner possession of God in fullness of his person. In a Christ that was not one of us there is no reconciliation so then religious rites are used. Salvation is spiritual where sin is defeated.
---Pharisee on 10/29/10


\\Water baptism Is a work, praying - fasting - reading your bible - witnessing - going to Church service - etc Are works. \\

If you baptized yourself, it would be a work.

**//Jesus Himself ordered water baptism and the Eucharist.//
This was never ordered for the BOC
---michael_e on 10/28/10**

Thus you make the Word of God of none effect by your tradition.
---Cluny on 10/29/10


Rob, those who are born of the Spirit are saved by Grace through faith in Christ alone. All the work of God. They will begin to give evidence of that salvation because they now have a new disposition, a new Love, and new desires to please Christ who died for them. They will do many things in the name of the Lord, giving evidence to others they are truely saved. But to God they don't have to give any evidence, because when He saves someone, He is never wrong.
---Mark_v. on 10/29/10


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It depends on what we consider ritual or ceremony. For example: Do we consider baptism, the Lord's Supper, foot washing, and cooperate worship, ritual or ceremony?
---francis on 10/29/10


No rituals required. rituals are manmade traditions. God doesn't need them & neither do we. We have faith & prayer. Jesus is the connection between us & his father.
---candice on 10/28/10


For the salvation of God Is by some works. Water baptism Is a work, praying - fasting - reading your bible - witnessing - going to Church service - etc Are works. For without it you Wont be saved. Matt.24 v 13.

When your Not saved by works Is, is your own self righteous carnal acts of works such as, being a good doer etc.
---Lawrence on 10/28/10


"Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: The Lord knows those who are His, and, Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity." - 2 Timothy 2:19
---christan on 10/28/10


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You can't earn a gift.
Eph. 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith,(PLUS 0) and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Rob, you are right on.


//Jesus Himself ordered water baptism and the Eucharist.//
This was never ordered for the BOC
---michael_e on 10/28/10


Rob,

"Can you show a place in scripture where the Apostle Paul, before, during, or after his conversion was ever baptized with water?"

Acts 9:18, "And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized."
---Bruce5656 on 10/28/10


2 TIOMTHY 1,9 WHO has save us , and called us will a Holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace,which was given us in CHRIST JESUS before the world began.
---RICHARD on 10/28/10


ALL people are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone - NOT by works of any kind. If you come through works and not by Christ, you are NOT saved, and are still going to Hell. This is what God Almighty has said in His Word, take it up with Him if you don't agree. This is NOT to be rude, but TRUTHFUL.
---Leslie on 10/28/10


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Rob, I think the problem is that people go through these rituals, i.e., water baptism, Holy Communion, saying the sinners prayer which isn't even in the bible, and they think they're saved.

Jesus said Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. Repent means to turn away from so unless a person turns away from their wicked ways, sinful lifestyle, what good does it do them if they get water baptized? if they take communion and live in fornication? My Catholic friend lived with her b/f for 7 years, took Communion every Sunday and chewed me out because I told her not everyone who thinks they're going to heaven are going there.....I wasn't even referring to her. I never said "YOU aren't going to heaven" and she shredded me to pieces.
---Donna5535 on 10/28/10


Cluny and Samuel I have some questions regarding WATER bAPTISM.

In John 1:19-34 John the Baptism said he baptizes with water that Christ may be revealed to Israel, and Christ will baptize with the Holy Spirit.

Can you show a place in scripture where John the Baptist was ever baptized with water?

In 1 Corinthians 1:13-17, the The Apostle Paul said he was not sent by Christ to baptize, but to preach the Gospel.

Can you show a place in scripture where the Apostle Paul, before, during, or after his conversion was ever baptized with water?
---Rob on 10/28/10


Religious rituals are what a saved person does in obdience to GOD. Otherwise they have no meaning. They have no redeeming value of their own. We are saved by Grace alone.
---Samuel on 10/28/10


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