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Suffered Injury At Work

A few years ago, I suffered an injury at work that left me incapable of working any longer. I will soon begin collecting Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) benefits. Is collecting SSDI, and NOT working, Biblical according to the verse -- 2 Thessalonians 3:10? If not, what should I do?

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//I meant to add that even so, they come from the same root ChARIS...These are entirely two different phrases in Greek. I'm not arguing that. Mary's grace is grace for herself. Christ's grace is grace for all. ---Cluny on 11/4/10

Actually, I wasn't disagreeing with you although it may seems so. the discussion triggered something else in me.

I agree, Cliny.
---aka on 11/4/10


\\These are entirely two different phrases in Greek. I'm not arguing that.\\

I meant to add that even so, they come from the same root ChARIS.
---Cluny on 11/4/10


\\Anyway, I do not see anywhere in scripture that says Mary is full of grace like it does Jesus in John 1:14: \\

These are entirely two different phrases in Greek. I'm not arguing that.

Mary's grace is grace for herself.

Christ's grace is grace for all.
---Cluny on 11/4/10


grace - khar-ee-to'-o
- to grace, that is, indue with special honor:
- make accepted,
- be highly favoured.

the word grace does not mean to be perfect. kjv and other orgs, may/may not be trying to fudge, but it seems like other establishments are trying also.

Anyway, I do not see anywhere in scripture that says Mary is full of grace like it does Jesus in John 1:14:
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
---aka on 11/3/10


\\Cluny:

Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
It doesn't say "all except Mary".
Sure, she was full of grace like many other righteous people in the Bible, but she wasn't perfect.
---StrongAxe on 11/3/10\\

1. I noticed that you didn't say, "It doesn't say 'all except Jesus.'" Why not?

2. KEChARITOMENOI is applied in the Bible ONLY to the Virgin.

ChARIS, the root is translated elsewhere in the Bible as "grace." To suddenly render it "favor" is just another example of where most Protestant Bible translators, including KJV, fudge things.
---Cluny on 11/3/10




Ruben:

Matthew 1:1-17 gives Jesus's genealogy through Joseph, establishing his legal right to be the Messiah. Luke 3:2338 gives Jesus's genealogy through Mary's father (Heli), establishing his biological right to be the Messiah. Both of these include Jacob (Israel). So Mary was descended to Israel, so essentially, Israel ultimatly "gave birth to" Mary.


Cluny:

Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
It doesn't say "all except Mary".
Sure, she was full of grace like many other righteous people in the Bible, but she wasn't perfect.
---StrongAxe on 11/3/10


Cluny, leo tad melecha pen
---Eloy on 11/3/10


Augie, God does not break bruised reeds. Just pray and get stronger, and continue to serve the Lord, and be blessed.
---Eloy on 11/2/10


Eloy:

You said: Language and comunication is made for man, not man for language.
True. However, all communication involves protocols agreed upon by both parties. If they use different protocols (e.g. one speaks English and the other Swahili), communication is impossible. If they use similar but different protocols (e.g. where some words mean different things to each party), they think they communicate, but really don't.

You said: I preach known words to convey plain definitions for the receiver. English has no verbs "context", "rectapply", and "miscontext". Far from being known, the last two are not even words at all, so they have no definitions, thus their meanings are far from plain.
---StrongAxe on 11/2/10


\\ And I preach known words to convey plain definitions for the receiver,\\

Too bad so many of them are non-standard neologisms of your own coinage, Eloy.

But I've noticed these are quite common among those that didn't grow up speaking English (such as a Romanian immigrant I knew who called a refrigerator a "congelator" or a child who called a calendar a "day map" and a tricycle a "sit-ride").

Is English your mother tongue, Eloy?
---Cluny on 11/2/10




strongax, Language and comunication is made for man, not man for language. And I preach known words to convey plain definitions for the receiver, and if one sincerely inquires as to the meaning of what I post, then I am more than happen to elucidate the meaning thereof.
---Eloy on 11/2/10


that was also a letter written to a community of people who depended on each other for the basics of livelihood.

augie, i sense that you are guilt ridden about many things. ironically, the only one that can deliver you from mixed up christianity is Christ Himself.
---aka on 11/2/10


Eloy:

We seem to agree on this point. However, I am confused by several of the words you used in your last post. context is a noun, and never a verb, and there are no such words as rectapply or miscontext that I could find in the dictionary. If you have a dictionary that includes these words, could you please tell us what it is?
---StrongAxe on 11/2/10


Augie, no, scripture must be contexted and rectapplied, not miscontexted and misapplied. II Thes.3:10 is speaking of the healthy and able-bodied people whom refuse to work as commanded, and the passage is not speaking of the injured and disabled whom are not able to work.
---Eloy on 11/2/10


augie, you paid insurance for your disability. just like if you wreck a car and you have insurance. you will get something for it.

do not worry about any things that generate guilt like tithing. be a cheerful giver. your debt i

when i was 32, i was struck down by an accident that caused me blindness, paralysis, and speechless (literally). i lived on VA disability. I do not collect disability any more, but i had to take my time.

God built me back the way that He wants. If I got it back all at one time, i would again have no need for Him. Do not concentrate on the physical. No matter how many tears that you cry, know that He is building you up.
---aka on 11/1/10


\\Unfortunately, healing that doesn't occur until the next world is of no use whatsoever in this one.\\

This world is NOT all there is. That's B-flat Christianity.

And God is wiser than any parent.

There's something else that someone I know suggested on this topic: Can all people bear the spiritual responsibility that would come with a healing in this life?
---Cluny on 11/1/10


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Cluny:

Unfortunately, healing that doesn't occur until the next world is of no use whatsoever in this one.

Matthew 7:9 (and Luke 11:11)
"Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?"

If you were a parent, and your child came to you starving and said "Please, give me some bread", it would be cruel for you to say "here's a stone instead". It would be equally cruel to say "I won't give you any now, but you can have some after you die".
---StrongAxe on 11/1/10


\\Sometimes GOD does heal, and sometime HE doesn't. WHY that is, only time will tell.
---Augie on 10/31/10\\

Oh, God always heals--but some of healings won't come until the next world.
---Cluny on 11/1/10


Sag:

The King James Version makes it more clear:
2 Thessalonians 3:10:
"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

would means someone who makes a conscious choice (i.e. an act of will) not to work. This does not apply to those who are unable to work (such as children, the elderly, the sick, those who look for work but are unable to find it, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 11/1/10


// Sometimes GOD does heal, and sometime HE doesn't. WHY that is, only time will tell.
---Augie on 10/31/10//

Augie, God is the same yesterday, today and forever. If He says, For I the Lord AM your Healer, then He is our Healer.

The problem lies not IF God will heal, the problem lies in man's finite understanding of healing.

We know in part, we see in part, we live in a fleshly body that sins. If we are not being healed, we need to ask Father God what we are not seeing, are not understanding about healing. Pray and ask God, "Lord, please heal me." Then Worship Him and Pray everyday and Praise His Holy Name.
---Donna5535 on 11/1/10


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Elder is right! that money is yours that you have put away for a rainy day..and from what I understand..IT'S Raining! So take whats yours.
---a_friend on 11/1/10


Augie, I should have said, "choose carefully what you do" I hope you get back on your feet and get healthy soon. The story you gave about your devorce is also very sad. The first thing you should do is to forgive your wife in your heart. I know it is hard, but it is very necessary. This way you can go on not having anything holding you back. We are human and we all fail. Always remember you are a child of God, and your life is in His hands. Somehow, someway, things will pass and you will look back at those moments far from them. Peace
---Mark_V. on 10/31/10


I hope your health improves, and that your faith stays strong.
---Trish on 10/30/10

I'm guessing that MOST, if not ALL, of us SSDI recipients would like our medical conditions to improve. So that we can: return to work, and/or, have better lives in general.

Living with a chronic medical condition is NOT fun. However, I've learned that unless you have actually "lived through what someone else is going through", you won't fully understand, or grasp, that. Some people just don't understand.

We'll just have to "wait on GOD" for our healing. Sometimes GOD does heal, and sometime HE doesn't. WHY that is, only time will tell.
---Augie on 10/31/10


What does receiving disability benefits have to do with being a born again Christian? You were injured and you should be thankful to God that this is available to you. So many have nothing and cannot get anything. You have paid into disability,medicare,social sec and other funds. If and when we need this money, we should not have second thoughts about getting what rightfully belongs to us. You can tithe on this money,if you so choose,also. We should learn to thank God for all of our blessings. What is the matter with our thinking these days? What should you do? You certainly want be able to work. So you better start praising God for the insurance benefits! That's what you should do.
---Robyn on 10/31/10


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To add to the other Donna's caution--Our church used to help a family whose bread-winner and head-of-household was slowly dying of a terminal disease. There were children in the family, and we donated money (a small amount because we are a small church with meager funds),goods, and respite care so the wife could do her shopping and take care of other nessessary tasks.
When the case worker came by and asked if the family had help from anyone but the government, the naive wife gave a glowing account of the way our church was helping them.
Their benefits were promptly cut by more than half....and they were more needy than before.
As a taxpayer, I'm glad the government seeks to prevent fraud, but in this case we doubted their fairness.
---Donna66 on 10/31/10


Augie,
I am retiring from my teaching position, and will be collecting Social Security Disability as well. I have several health issues which prevented me from staying in my teaching job. My children were concerned about me retiring at a young age, and I assured them that if/when my physical health improved, I would return to work using my Social Work degree.

I believe that God looks at our hearts, and that we can serve the Lord in many ways that do not involve wage earning work.

I hope your health improves, and that your faith stays strong.
---Trish on 10/30/10


Donna, that was great advice you gave Augie. Augie, I too am sorry about all that has happened to you. Things happen you cannot control brother, that is the way it is. Sometimes things just seem unfair. But Donna has good advice. There was a time when things were very flexable. Companies gave out so many things to employees, at our work we had a Gym, two swimming pools, weights and personal trainers came to give free training. Now they don't give anything. Everyone is tight, and companies and others are checking whether you are doing some kind of work outside of work and things like that, so I say just be careful.
---Mark_V. on 10/31/10


Augie, I'm so sorry to hear about your accident and your wife leaving you, etc., OMG that must be soo hard on you, I'm soo very sorry.

Collecting SS is okay in your case. But I would advise you not to do volunteer work because I worked for a company that went out to see if people on disability were doing things they shouldn't be doing and even though your heart is right in wanting to do volunteer work, you can get your disability pay taken away from you if seen lifting heavy objects, or grocery bags, or doing something you shouldn't be like even pushing a person in a wheel chair. Just giving you some advice my friend. I'm so sorry regarding your situation. I think we should take up a collection for you.
---Donna5535 on 10/29/10


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Fear not, my friend....Scripture is saying, "People got so excited about the second coming of Christ, they decided to quit work and just wait". Paul never said, "If you could not work" they should not be allowed to eat....I must say this is great studying. And this....Some are so heavenly minded that they are no good here, in this world [super-spirituality]. This is called pride and a refusal to submit to the authority of God's word.
---catherine on 10/29/10


2 Thessalonians 3:10 reads:

"If Any Man Doesn't Work, Neither Shall He Eat"

We need to interpret Bible verses in the correct context or setting. I believe that the above verse refers to a person who is: Lazy, Idle, Slothful, etc. Construction work sounds like a job where it's pretty difficult to be like that.

There is a big difference between "Not Being WILLING to work", and "Not Being ABLE to work". It sounds to me like you're just not ABLE to work.

I know many folks who are in the same situation as you are. Stay focused on GOD and He will open other doors for you. You can serve GOD in other ways besides paid employment.
---Sag on 10/29/10


You worked and paid into Social Security. It is a type of insurence if you will. You paid for protection and benifits. Now you qualify to collect something you paid into for this very purpose. You are right in getting the money that you will.
---Elder on 10/29/10


Augie I write to encourage you. I have with in the last few minutes prayed for you and ask the father for healing of your condition. The money you're receiving now does not go against the verse in Thessalonians as I understand it. I also sense that you love the Lord and as impossible as it seems everything must happen for the best for you.
---mima on 10/29/10


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Bill,

Thanks for the encouragement. Let me explain my situation:

I was working in Construction until I fell and suffered a concussion of sorts. While I appear OK, I'm suffering with memory problems and my muscular coordination is poor. I currently cannot afford any therapy or treatments. Only time will tell if my condition improves.

My wife divorced me after my accident. Plus, she got custody of the kids and cleaned me out. I'm dirt poor right now.

Still, I want to serve GOD as best I can. I'm looking into several volunteer jobs. Lots of opportunities to help people that way.

And I'm capable, so why not? I believe that the Bible teaches that we should "put to use" whatever GOD has given us.
---Augie on 10/29/10


Hi, Augie . . . ouch . . . I feel sorry that you have been hurt and have been suffering. I hope you are better and feeling better.

There are good things you can do while you are getting money. Also, technically, your work made that money which comes through social security. The money does not have to be paying you directly for good things you do, now. If you write helping things on the Net, of God's word and counsel to love people, this is work (c: Keeping people company in home health care is a work that gets payed. So, if you write for God, on the Net, you might be helping to keep needy housebound people company. Washing dishes is work, in your home. Helping to watch the kids is work.
---Bill on 10/29/10


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