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The way unwanted children were dealt with BERORE abortion was legalized, was through adoption. Unwed mothers today are encouraged to keep a child rather than to abort it. The reason they abort is because they DON'T want to keep the child! And when they they keep it they often end up on welfare, putting aside educational or vocational goals.

Releasing a child for adoption was once considered an "unselfish" and loving act.
Today with all the aids to fertility, fewer couples "have" to adopt. Some still want to...but they must meet requirements of age, income etc that even many good natural parents cannot meet. Some travel to a foreign land with all the expense and red tape to find an adoptable child.
---Donna66 on 12/5/10


instead, He told us to provide for their needs. See Matthew 25.
---Cluny on 12/5/10

Thats right, Cluny, He did.. but many don't remember this part. they want to solve a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
---NurseRobert on 12/5/10


apologetics is branch of theology concerned with the defense and rational justification of religious systems including Christianity.

In another blog, i was deemed ignorant. in defense of Calvinist theory, if I am ignorant now, it is because it was determined by God for it to be this way, and there is nothing that I can do to change this.

Therefore, how will my study in the apologetic make me any less ignorant and am I just fighting against the will of God?

The Christian apologetic is about the defense of Jesus Christ and not the defense of arrogant men who appear only to defend themselves with superiority by putting others down and man-made religious systems.
---aka on 12/5/10


\\how will you deal with the unwanted children? \\

God wants them, otherwise they would not exist.

Being wanted by others does not determine one's intrinsic worth in God's eyes.

**How will you feed them? How will you cloth them? How will you educate them?**

Jesus didn't tell us to solve the problems of hunger, nakedness, and ignorance by killing people before they were born.

instead, He told us to provide for their needs. See Matthew 25.
---Cluny on 12/5/10


//For pete sakes LeeJ, now one has to have a DEGREE in Apologetics to have common sense?

True but if you ever noticed those that study apologetics are the ones that have the most common sense. And that is because, apologetics looks at all sides of an issue including the strengths and weaknesses of any arguement.

Now don't you wish you could spend more time in that subject? It would certainly enable you to respond to the topics of these blogs in a more intelligent manner.
---leej on 12/5/10




For pete sakes LeeJ, now one has to have a DEGREE in Apologetics to have common sense?

Your apologetic example of ILLINOIS is not the issue. So your DEGREE left you daft.

Very Righteous Jews having the utmost value for ALL life itself, always chose the Mother's life over the unborn IF the unborn was the cause or would cause the death of the Mother.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/10


Well a good start would be to de-fund agencies that perform such atrocities and make them illegal throughout the medical field.---paul on 11/29/10

Agreeing that abortion is wrong, tell us, Paul... how will you deal with the unwanted children? How will you feed them? How will you cloth them? How will you educate them?
---NurseRobert on 12/4/10


Rhonda--- But why make a law if it cannot be enforced?
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only a truly naive person would hold a belief that ALL LAWS can be enforced

or do you think that societies definition of murder has all people who have murdered behind bars?
---Rhonda on 12/4/10


It will surely create an industry of unlicensed, unskilled abortion providers who become rich by exploiting frightened young women.
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OH PLEASE get real honestly ...are you that clueless as to the EXPLOITATION of abortion clinics today???

abortion clinics exploit women and encourage abortion on ALL LEVELS don't be another misinformation provider defending abortion genocide slaughter mills as a legal, safer, and do-gooders.

Abortion mills are human slaughter houses making BILLIONS each year - they simply become rich today LEGALLY exploiting EDUCATED women - there not all young and many are REPEAT customers

GET THE FACTS rather than spreading lies
---Rhonda on 12/4/10


Rhonda--- But why make a law if it cannot be enforced?
Who would follow the law if there was no penalty for breaking it?

The law presently sometimes considers a fetus "human" and sometimes not. If a murderer kills BOTH a mother and her unborn child, he may be charged with TWO counts of murder. But if a woman kills the unborn child within her, no charges are filed against anybody. IF we need a law against abortion (which we may not) the law should clarify things, not add more red tape.(But if funding is an issue, you bet the government will produce an inpenetratable jungle of red tape!)
---Donna66 on 12/2/10




I'd like to ask again: If Abortion is made illegal, how is such a law enforced?
Who is punished and how?
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it can't be enforced

who is punished and how??? society KNOWS how to punish a murderer - unsure why it would be any different for killing a baby

always the reasoning of society to make more rules regulations and endless red tape to determine who and how when there are already laws in effect for murderers
---Rhonda on 12/2/10


Donna66
These are all feasible expectations but you must start enforcing laws somewhere. I feel a greater awareness and reeducation of perspective abortion clients is the foundation for I find that truth usually wins the day. We the people play a significant role in electing officials who will stand for principled values in government as well.
This would cause a black market effect indeed but there again prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.We keep laws out of fear of punishment for the most part, our society has to a degree failed us in the area by laxing laws and failing to punish, look at immigration, and Im not ant-immigrant for I am married to a Filipino. But I say keep the laws and do things the right way. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 11/30/10


Paul--It sounds like a good start, but I fear none of these measures (defunding organizations that provide abortion or punishing doctors who perform them) will appreciably slow the demand of women for abortions.

It will surely create an industry of unlicensed, unskilled abortion providers who become rich by exploiting frightened young women. More women will try to produce abortions on their own thus endangering their own lives and/or health.
---Donna66 on 11/29/10


Well a good start would be to de-fund agencies that perform such atrocities and make them illegal throughout the medical field.Place strong penalties on doctors who break the law and commit murder and the same for the bios who kill there children.
---paul on 11/29/10


I'd like to ask again: If Abortion is made illegal, how is such a law enforced?
Who is punished and how?
---Donna66 on 11/29/10


kathr4453 - I merely commented on your statement that "If someone broke into my home and tried to kill me, i can take his life" as being untrue according to laws in some states.

What does it have to do with abortion? Namely the alleged right to kill in defense.

You might benefit spiritually if you would stop trying to pick fights with people and instead understand that your viewpoints are not the only ones that can be defended. Since your degree(s) are not in theology (especially apologetics) you need to be tolerance of others.
---leej on 11/29/10


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While I am sympathetic to sister Donna5535's radical disdain for abortion, the illegal ramifications in a secular society is serious business. This country would not stand for putting a bunch of 20-year old women and their physicians in prison. I am not suggesting sin is submissive to practicality but think about it, particularly in cases of rape. The trials - the mess.
Sin has gotten its foot so far in the door this will not be resolved simply by changing the law.
---larry on 11/29/10


leej, EXACTLY how does a pre-life break into a home in Illinois?

And does Illinois have laws on their books concerning pre-life breaking into homes?
---kathr4453 on 11/29/10


kathr4453//However your previous post seemed to say that life at conception is not a life at all, or did I mis-understand.

The fact is that we base what we believe on what our definition of when life begins - at conception or at birth.

If at conception, then you may not use certain contraceptions that would inhibit the ferlized egg from attaching itself to the walls of the uterus.

It is common for an fertilized egg not to attach itself to the walls of the uterus but do we say that a life was destroyed even thru natural causes.
---leej on 11/29/10


leej, who is talking about the laws in Illinois??

I'm talking about GOD's Law. I believe God even under LAW allows for the LAW of self defense.


However your previous post seemed to say that life at conception is not a life at all, or did I mis-understand.

So, if I say black you say white, and if I say white you say black, it that what is going on here?
---kathr4453 on 11/29/10


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\\I can only agree with you that something that is pre-life does not take precedence over that which is life.
---leej on 11/29/10\\

There is no such thing as "pre-life". This is the argument used by the pro-aborts.

The unborn child is alive and human at all stages of his or her development.

And may I add here that Beverly and Tim LaHaye are NOT pro-life in the least?

In their book THE ACT OF MARRIAGE, they said that abortion is acceptable if in the best interest of the mother or unborn child (honest!).

How does this differ from the pro-abort position?
---Cluny on 11/29/10


//ONLY in the case of the pre-life taking the life one who has life.

Agree.

//If someone broke into my home and tried to kill me, i can take his life.

Not if you live in Illinois and a few other states. If someone were to break into your home in Illinois, you will be found guilty of murder if you failed to take advantage of any means to flee from the intruder.

Such would be the case if someone broke your door down while you had the opportunity to flee out the back door.

Laws are all too often designed to benefit lawyers, not the victim.
---leej on 11/29/10


I can only agree with you that something that is pre-life does not take precedence over that which is life.
---leej on 11/29/10

ONLY in the case of the pre-life taking the life one who has life.

It's called really a matter of self defense.

If someone broke into my home and tried to kill me, i can take his life.

Other than that, you cannot legally kill the offender unless you PROVE your life was threatened.
---kathr4453 on 11/29/10


//A fetus is not a living creature by biblical definition in Genesis 2:7 God created man a living creature, the Hebrew is word nephesh -- a breathing creature

Thanks for your input on this issue.

Yes, the problem is really one of definition.

When does human life begin, at conception or at birth? If at conception then you really have the death of a human life if the fertilized egg fails to attach itself to the uterus, and that may be something that is totally common.

I can only agree with you that something that is pre-life does not take precedence over that which is life.
---leej on 11/29/10


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The term is "D and C" (not DNC). It stands for Dilation and Curettage and refers to the dilation (widening/opening) of the cervix and surgical removal of part of the lining of the the uterus. It is a common procedure used for many other reasons, as well as abortion.

Blogger9211 -- Interesting information about Jewish practices. I suspect that many difficulties would, today, be relieved by Ceaserian Section.

jed--- YES. The vast majority of abortions occur because a child would be inconvenient to it's parent(s). Some are conceived while the mother is high on drugs and she plans to continue drug use. But making abortion illegal? Would the mothers be punished? if so, how? If doctors are punished, more women will die.
---Donna66 on 11/28/10


A fetus is not a living creature by biblical definition in Genesis 2:7 God created man a living creature, the Hebrew is word nephesh -- a breathing creature. A fetus cannot breathe air as such it is not considered life. it is only classified as prelife. In Judism late term abortions were mandatory if the life of the mother was in danger in child birth. They were instructed to cut the fetus apart to remove it to allow the mother to live. Actual life always took precedence over prelife. Christ never condemned abortion neither did the disciples, it was a non religious issue. It was just a clinically mandated practice to save the life of the mother in a problem childbirth. And it should remain a clinical issue between a woman and her physician.
---Blogger9211 on 11/28/10


For those of you saying that women have the right to their own beliefs and that the bible does not say anything about forcing people to do what is right, I would like to remind you that the Bible states that "evil flourishes when good men do nothing". The Bible also states that if someone stands by while an evil is taking place then that person who stood by is just as guilty as the person commiting the crime.

Sharon, you seem to have little understanding. In fact in my own town there was recently a man who was imprisoned because he had his mother living in cat feces and filth in his own home. If that is illegal to neglect a life, how can it not be illegal to actually take a life from an innocent person?
---Jed on 11/27/10


I have heard the argument for rape victims before, but the fact is that most rape victims do keep their babies. It is not the rape victims that make up for the 5,000 murdered babies every day. It is people who are living irresponsible lifestyles who want to avoid the consequences of their foolish actions. Also, many of our countries most successful people were once orphans. And some of the most happiest people I have ever met are mentally or physically handicaped, so that argument isn't valid either. God can make a way for these situations. Like I said, the shocking number of abortions performed each day are from people who just want to live however they want with no consequences.
---jed on 11/27/10


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NO one us above the LAW when it comes to child molestation, even molesting little boys, who can't conceive.

But some believe they are above the Law, and are a Law all their own.
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Exactly and THAT is why abortion is legal

just because society makes its laws to control the masses does not mean The Father in Heaven condones societies laws

instead of punishing abusive men who rape and molest society encourages with lengthy trials and essentially putting the victim on trial too


abortion is genocide ...society has created a sweet term called abortion to mask the butchering and horrific killings of babies

abortion is STILL murder - just by another name
---Rhonda on 11/27/10


Cluny, was she sent back? What a horrible tragidy of our social services that are to protect our children in such cases. IN that casr the Social services and the legal system should all go to jail.

NO one us above the LAW when it comes to child molestation, even molesting little boys, who can't conceive.

But some believe they are above the Law, and are a Law all their own.

How many priests guilty were sent to another perish, only to molest more?
---kathr4453 on 11/27/10


A couple of years go the following horrible thing happened.

A 9 year old girl was raped by her stepfather and conceived twins!

I'm willing to stipulate for the sake of argument that for a 9 year old girl to attempt to carry twins to term would seriously jeopardize her life.

But what is the point in performing an abortion in this case, and sending her back to the SAME abusive environment--yet doing nothing to the perpetrator?

Alas, it's one of these horrible cases that no matter what you do, it's the wrong thing.
---Cluny on 11/26/10


//That brings up another issue, are DNC's considered abortion.

They are if and only if you believe life begins at conception - when the egg is fertilized.

Some birth control devices are forbidden by the Roman church since they are abortive, since they inhibit the fertilzied egg from attaching itself to the walls of the uterus.

Of course, we all agree that the church has a right to regulate our personal lives.
---leej on 11/26/10


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That brings up another issue, are DNC's considered abortion.

Many woman and chilren ashamed or threatened do not go, or even report a rape.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/10


//I do not believe in abortion, HOWEVER if my 10 year old 60 lb daughter was raped and resulted in pregnancy,knowing it would danger her life and the baby's, yes I would have the pregnancy teminated.

Most would agree with you that some times it is a greater wrong to do nothing as a child having a child could greatly damage the child prospect of living a normal life.

They tell me if a child or even an older woman is raped, that they should go immediately to the medical facitities and get what is known as a DNC - a cleansing of the uterus which would remove any prospect of a full pregnancy.
---leej on 11/26/10


Again leej, the question here is not about Mormons.

One must ask themselves, TODAY doctors are able to save the life of a baby still in the womb, that would have died otherwise or before there were DR who could do this.

The reverse question would be, is that sin?

I do not believe in abortion, HOWEVER if my 10 year old 60 lb daughter was raped and resulted in pregnancy,knowing it would danger her life and the baby's, yes I would have the pregnancy teminated.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/10


kathr4453 //An innocent life that didn't ask to be born to begin with.
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Now if you were a Mormon, you would have to believe that the pre-existencing spirit that went with the aborted child would simply return to the spirit world and await another assignment.

And they have defense for their beliefs albeit recognize other documents as scripture as well as the pronouncments of their living prophets.
---leej on 11/25/10


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It is interesting that under the Law of Moses if a woman committed adultry, and could possibly have conceived at that time, was STONED to death. The Mother and child then would be dead.

I see no exceptions where God said,let's see if a life is in her and if so, do not stone her.

Also remember too, David had an illigetimate child with Bathsheba. God took the child. An innocent life that didn't ask to be born to begin with.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/10


fletch5777, How do two wrongs make a right?
---Gordon on 11/22/10


Abortions are premeditated murder....Don't ever expect God to bless this country. It's too violent, too wicked.....++
---catherine on 11/21/10


abortion l do not support it but what in the case when maybe a young girl is raped by an older man, in such cases l think abortion can be allowed unlike in cases where someone gets pregnant otherwise.
---fletc5777 on 11/21/10


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Donna66, Sharon's statement was WRONG. Yes, we all have a right to choose. But, it does not mean that our choice is going to be the right choice. GOD tells each one of us to choose between Good and Evil. Between Life and Death. And, He admonishes us to "choose Life". To choose Death (which Abortion IS, in ALL circumstances), and to choose Evil (which Abortion IS!) means that the one who chooses Death and Evil will do so at the cost of their own soul, and will negatively affect other people in the process. It is selfish for a pregnant woman to choose to abort (her) baby, just because the infant is in HER womb. The woman will answer to GOD for murder, and her own soul will be required of her, UNLESS she repents!
---Gordon on 11/21/10


Sharon makes a good point. ("Speaking out of both sides of the mouth" describes an inconsistant person) Of what inconsistancy is Sharon guilty? //Would it also make sense to imprison people who won't take care of their ailing parents. This is just as personal of a decision as abortion. THIS IS ALSO A LIFE!// Good question! And how ironic.

The point is, God has given us choices. This goes against the grain for some people who would make any choice they disagree with, illegal (like 0 trans-fats or incandescent light bulbs) Yet these same people fight tooth and nail for a woman's "right to choose" (talk about inconsistant). Legislating abortion has proved futile. I say, educate, don't punish.
---Donna66 on 11/20/10


Would it also make sense to imprison people who won't take care of their ailing parents. This is just as personal of a decision as abortion. THIS IS ALSO A LIFE!
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well like so many this post talks out both sides of the mouth

and like others who state how can we "allocate" financial resources to caring for children who may come out of the womb "damaged"

AGAIN and AGAIN when society can deem who receives medical care and who is "FIT" to live they then determine whose "believes" are valued ...it's both sides of the mouth people

if we can KILL a baby in the womb then we can KILL people who are not "fit to live" the world didn't learn from Hitlers regime??
---Rhonda on 11/20/10


Sharon, Very foolish counsel. Abortion is MURDER. No one has a "right" to murder someone else. Capital Punishment, by the way, is not the same thing. It is not "murder" in the same sense. C.P. is just that, Punishment by Death executed upon the one who reaped it. GOD gave the Civil Authorities the sword to execute justice (ROMANS 13). You have a right to express your opinion, that's for certain. But, in this case, your opinion is WRONG.
---Gordon on 11/19/10


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The Lord said that a person should be willing to lay down their lives for their fellow man. That includes childbirth.
There are probably quite a few women that started out only to lose their salvation and become spiritually dead after having an abortion to save their own lives.
---Frank on 11/20/10


How can the fact that a woman in the Bible died giving birth, be used to argue that we should not try to save the lives of Pregnant women today?
That's like saying we should not treat Lepers for their disease.(lots of lepers in the Bible were not healed)

Actually, it's fairly rare that pregnancy is life-threatening. And often the child can be delivered early to save the mother.But when a choice must be made, consideration is usually given to the mother ...who often has other children at home to raise.

I'm not for abortion as a means of birth control. But I'm not for banning all abortion in all cases.
---Donna on 11/19/10


Very wise counsel, Sharon.
---Mary on 11/19/10


Should all abortions be illegal?
No. I think that women should be left alone to practice whatever religion they believe in. This decision is very private and personal to the individual. We do hope, however, in the end that they come to the saving knowledge of Christ!

Would it also make sense to imprison people who won't take care of their ailing parents. This is just as personal of a decision as abortion. THIS IS ALSO A LIFE!
---Sharon on 11/19/10


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Alright, God has spoken. "It's murder". God don't chew His gum twice He don't stutter....God gives absolutely no latitude on this one, my friends.
---catherine on 11/18/10


\\One woman died giving birth (can't remember which) so the "mother might die" excuse doesn't hold water.\\

It was Rachel who died in giving birth to Benjamin.
---Cluny on 11/18/10


francis, there is NOTHING in the passage you quoted about the water of ordeal that says it will induce abortion. At the most, it only threatens infertility.

You're wrong about this, about wine, about Christians keeping kosher, or being bound to the Sabbath.

I'm beginning to wonder if there is anything you might be right about.
---Cluny on 11/18/10


I'm not trying to lend "credence" to anything. And I've already cited the well- established proof that biological life exists from conception.
The physiological FACT is that, for many months, the fetus cannot live outside his mother's body. (Some people use viability as a "starting point" for life)
He depends on his mothers circulation to supply the oxygenation his own lungs cannot yet supply. But is likewise a FACT that from conception on, the fetus is a SEPARATE individual, not a part of the mother's body.
I will not twist scientific truth for the sake of argument.
---DonnaL on 11/18/10


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Should all abortions be illegal?
Not all abortionwere considered a sin or crime in the bible.

Numbers 5:24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, [and become] bitter.

Numbers 5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, [that], if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, [and become] bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
---francis on 11/18/10


YES. Every Abortion should be considered illegal. And why not? It's already illegal by GOD's Eyes. Abortion is the cold-blooded murder of innocent and defenseless little human beings. Abortion doctors are BUTCHERERS. Maybe one or two has a conscience about it. But, the majority? They are blinded by the dollar signs in their eyes. If they die without repenting of these crimes first, they will hear the CRIES AND SCREAMS of those little ones throughout their miserable eternity.
---Gordon on 11/18/10


//The bottom line is that you have no right to interfere with God's plans for someone's life including your own.

Innoculations for smallpox could be regarded by some as interfering with God's plan.

Let each and every person realize he or she must be accountable for their own actions. Unfortunately we tend to impose our theology which is based more on what we want to believe, onto others refusing to listen to any other side of the issue.
---billyj on 11/18/10


The scriptures are full of lame folk who were evidently born.
They are full of demon possessed folk that were healed and they too were evidently born.
One woman died giving birth (can't remember which) so the "mother might die" excuse doesn't hold water.
I think if anyone is really ready to give their life for the Lord (either die daily or give their natural life giving birth, war, whatever) they would have to agree that abortion is murder and should be illegal.
And it is by the scriptures.
---Frank on 11/18/10


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yes
---aka on 11/18/10


We might be able to fully justify the abortion if the mother is a crackhead - on cocaine as the child will only live a few days or be gravely mentally or physically challenged for the rest of its life.

There is an organization in California that offers free abortions for crackhead alone with a free sterilization.

The question arises as to how much resources should be donoated to care for chidren that are unredeemable mentally or physically challenged.
---billyj on 11/17/10


Both Donna and Elder are correct. The bottom line is that you have no right to interfere with God's plans for someone's life including your own.
Arguments demanding proof (to who?) are specious arrogant substitutes of those not willing to submit themselves to the creator.
The fact is you can't prove anything including your own existence. There is a evidence you are here but no proof.
Those who claim proof is needed don't understand God is not proven but revealed that includes his will which Elder rightfully sighted in Isiah.
Prove the universe created itself?
---larry on 11/17/10


\\The Bible states correctly that life is in the blood. But even before the heart is formed, the fetus is maintained by it's mothers blood.\\
---Donna66 on 11/15/10

That's kind of the point I was making, Donna. Actually, Lev 17:14 says the life of a creature is in ITS blood, not in its mother's blood. When you say the fetus is maintained by its mother's blood, you lend support to the "choice" crowd that a fetus is part of the mother's body to do with what she chooses. The vast majority of women don't even know they are pregnant until after the heart is formed, so it doesn't gain anything to attempt to argue there is life before a heartbeat. You can't prove it, so don't argue it. Argue what can be proven is all I'm saying.
---James_L on 11/16/10


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\\Oh yea? It can't be proven that life doesn't begin at conception either or when the heart beat really starts.

"Duh... I can't hear a heart beat so there must not be one," (maybe) Moe Howard of the Three Stoges.... (there must be more than three.) What'a think??

Life begins at the knowledge of God. As He told Jeremiah "I knew thee when you were in your fathers loins." Now this was before conception!\\
---Elder on 11/15/10

Elder, that's one of the most retarded posts I've ever seen. You win NOBODY by arguing from what can't be proven. And God foreknowing someone has nothing to do with when their life began. Nice try, kid. You got spunk, if nothing else. You're right, there must be at least 4 stooges.
---James_L on 11/16/10


abortion is genocide

if we don't allow killing of people for their beliefs why do we allow women who BELIEVE their child is worthless to exterminate them
---Rhonda on 11/15/10


"If you tell them life begins at conception, which cannot be proven, it turns people off"
Oh yea? It can't be proven that life doesn't begin at conception either or when the heart beat really starts.
"Duh... I can't hear a heart beat so there must not be one," (maybe) Moe Howard of the Three Stoges.... (there must be more than three.) What'a think??
Life begins at the knowledge of God. As He told Jeremiah "I knew thee when you were in your fathers loins." Now this was before conception!
If we would stop using abortion as birth control for sinful living and take the money out of it, it would stop. Those who think a conceived baby is just a mass of cells should be in one.
---Elder on 11/15/10


Anything that lends to the majority of the world becoming Muslim is definitely a sin in my book! ---Pharisee on 11/12/10

Abortions aside, this is a pretty dumb reason to have a kid.
---NurseRobert on 11/15/10


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//If you tell them life begins at conception, which cannot be proven, it turns people off

True, as a embryo or fetus is not considered a human being until birth. The concept of life beginning at conception is truly one of human declaration.

We do not provide funerals for miscarriages or of fertilized eggs that failed to attach themselves to the uterus.
---billyj on 11/15/10


If you tell them life begins at conception, which cannot be proven, it turns people off

It HAS been proven. Under the microscope one can see the sperm and egg combine their genetic contents, which results in the complete DNA for 1 human baby.
If you believe that body cells aren't "living" then perhaps you can deny that life begins at conception.

The Bible states correctly that life is in the blood. But even before the heart is formed, the fetus is maintained by it's mothers blood.
---Donna66 on 11/15/10


We should NEVER argue that life begins at conception

Though I believe life begins at conception, the bible doesn't say that. The bible says the life is in the blood (Lev 17:11, 14).

The heart starts beating at about 22 days. Most people don't know when the heart starts beating, but if you tell them it is at day 22, which they can look up, and show in the bible that the life is in the blood, they sometimes change their view of abortion. If you tell them life begins at conception, which cannot be proven, it turns people off.

Some reject life being in the blood, saying life is in the brain. Brain waves are detectabgle as early as 6 weeks.
---James_L on 11/13/10


Numbers 5:21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell,

Numbers 5:28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean, then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.


Numbers 5:29 This [is] the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside [to another] instead of her husband, and is defiled,

Numbers 5:30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.
---francis on 11/12/10


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I think that there should be some allowance given in consideration of the life and health of the mother.

One thing often overlooked is the fact that from scripture is that life is in the blood.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

A fertilized egg does not contain any blood at all.

So that would tell us that birth control pills or devices that keep the fertilized egg from attaching itself to the bloody walls of the uterus can be used in good conscience.
---leej on 11/12/10


Muslim Families are out breeding European families ten to one, that due in part to abortion, but also contraception and the like. It's projected that by 2050 (? don't quote me) most of Europe will have a Muslim majority. Our oh so healthy western diets don't help here in America, but we face the same type of defeat I'm sure in due time.

Anything that lends to the majority of the world becoming Muslim is definitely a sin in my book! If I had my way they'd be illegal, and the "life of the Mother" clause wouldn't be up to a singular person, but battled case by case in court. Some people in our society would call that evil.
---Pharisee on 11/12/10


Theoretically yes.
But, in reality I can see some cause for exceptions. We believe killing people is wrong, but we allow it in cases of self-defense, if one's own life is threatened.

Some (but very few) pregnancies actually do put a womans life in jeopardy. (Partial birth abortion is NOT a case in point). And should a 10-year old impregnated by her father, have every effort made to save her child (at the cost of her own physical and mental health.)

On the other had, can we assume that a child with known birth defects will not have a useful satisfying life... thus justifying abortion? I don't think so.

How I wish these were the simple questions some people make of them.
---Donna66 on 11/12/10


I am radical when it comes to issues like this....how can someone say life doesn't begin at conception when there's a heartbeat?
---Donna5535 on 11/12/10

there is no heartbeat at conception, Donna..
---NurseRobert on 11/12/10


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long story ,short answer,father of three girls now 40.37,and 35 years old,many years ago ones life depended on abortion,hard choice for her simple for me,I wanted her to live.regrets? absolutely,atleast on my part,all abortions are wrong,but in my girls case both lives would have been lost,this was 20 years ago,and I still think about that baby.
---tom2 on 11/13/10


Here we go again -- arguing about the obvious. A baby is a living human being. Whether "inside", or "outside", the Mother's womb. Any killing is MURDER and should be outlawed. Including abortion.

I know. I know. Some folks will say that the Mother's pregnancy occurred "unexpectedly" or under "less than favorable conditions".

So? It ISN'T the baby's fault that their life began! GOD decided to give that baby to it's parents and we have NO RIGHT to murder it.

One problem that I have as a Man is -- understanding WHY so many Mothers are reluctant to put their babies up for ADOPTION. Forget about ABORTION. It is murder. There are many loving couples waiting to ADOPT kids.
---Sag on 11/13/10


Before Christ returns, better not (do not make them illegal).

We know they sholud never be done, but throughout the Bible we are not told to insist others do what we know to be correct

If we want to stop abortions, explain to the women WHY
---peter3594 on 11/13/10


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