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Did Jesus Drink Wine

Did Jesus actually drink Himself? I have read all those verses about wine being Good but I have also read in the book of proverbs that drinking is silly and elsewhere in the bible where it is recommended that drunken brethren should be ex communicated.

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He asked, of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute?
The answer of strangers! You say this is about taxes and so it is!

He tells us not to judge. But ye judge anyway!
You say God will judge you. And so it is!
God will judge!

But, not the father!
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.

And its not the Son of God!
Ye judge after the flesh, I judge no man!
But adds: yet if I judge, my judgment is true!
And Luk 12:14:

So how shall you be judge?
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them, and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained!

Mat 5:25!
---TheSeg on 12/6/10


//Why would they have (falsely) accused Jesus of being a wine-bibber unless He actually drank wine?
//

EXACTLY, Alan!
---JackB on 12/4/10


Thank you, Cluny
If I'm not mistaken, it normally goes through those stages.
Thanks again for the details though as I was unaware of those specifics.
---micha9344 on 12/4/10


THE SEG - My Kingdom is not of this world - Yes that true But Jesus never stop being a king at any time - it's like a king going into another land, not there kingdom - but there still consider a king -

MATTHEW 17:26 - Haven't done alot of work on those verses, But they have nothing to do with drinking wine - Those verses have to do with the taxing of the Romans - Then the children are free, Christ does the payment for sins. ( Once again those are verses I'am just working though,)
---RICHARD on 12/4/10


\\It quickly turned alcoholic to varying degrees through strong drink into vinegar.\\

It's another microorganism, namely a bacterium, that changes wine (fermented by yeast) into vinegar.
---Cluny on 12/4/10




the problem is one of the words means both juice or alcohol. ---obewan
YES so CONTEXT is always important. In the feast at cana Jesus said MY HOUR HAS NOT YET COME, what happened when his HOUR had come? He gave his BLOOD
So the wine at the feast, GOOD wine which is given last was a picture of his blood given after so many years of animal blood. It had to be unblemish. So for those spiritually minded it could never have contained any alcohol, it had to be pure.

Why would they have (falsely) accused Jes of being a wine-bibber
---alan8566_
John 10:20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad,
Matthew 26:61 And said, This [fellow] said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
---FRANCIS on 12/3/10


>Why would they have (falsely) accused Jes of being a wine-bibber unless He actually drank wine?

They also accused Him of breaking the Sabbath--which if true would mean that He was a sinner and couldn't have died for our sins. Assume instead that they lied both times.
---David_Conklin on 12/3/10


Alan of UK--//Why would they have (falsely) accused Jesus of being a wine-bibber unless He actually drank wine?//

I don't know
Why would they accuse Him of blasphemy? Why would they accuse Him of calling Himself "King of the Jews"?. Why would the accuse Him of threatening to destroy the temple in three days?.
Why would they cry "crucify him"!?

I don't agree with your point here, but I do agree that that He probably DID drink wine.
---donna66 on 12/3/10


'Yayin' is the Hebrew word for the wine that Noah, Lot and Nebal all got passed out drunk from-Gen 9:21, 19:32-35, 1Sam 25:36-37.
The same 'yayin' which YHWH gives to gladden the heart-Psa 104:15
A mocker-Prov 20:1
Given to the heavy of heart-Pro 31:6
'oinos' is the Greek word that we should not have excessivly to be drunk-Eph 5:18, but may have a little for thy stomach's sake-1Tim 5:23.
The same 'oinos' that Jesus turned from water into-John 2:3-10
Even verses about being drunk on new wine, which some equate to juice, but I'm more inclined to go with Cluny on this, since it was virtually impossible to stop the natural fermenting process, It quickly turned alcoholic to varying degrees through strong drink into vinegar.
---micha9344 on 12/3/10


The way to solve this issue is like this:
1:What is the OT/ Hebrew word for grape juice verse hebrew word for wine containing alcohol?
2: What is the NT / greek word for grape juice verses the greek word for wine containing alcohol?

Whomever firgues that out will have the andwer
---francis on 12/3/10

This has already been discussed and the problem is one of the words means both juice or alcohol. LOL
---obewan on 12/3/10




Francis ... no need for that. Just consider:

Why would they have (falsely) accused Jes of being a wine-bibber unless He actually drank wine?

Grape juice will naturally and automatically ferment and turn into alcoholic wine
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/3/10


The way to solve this issue is like this:
1:What is the OT/ Hebrew word for grape juice verse hebrew word for wine containing alcohol?
2: What is the NT / greek word for grape juice verses the greek word for wine containing alcohol?

Whomever firgues that out will have the andwer
---francis on 12/3/10


Grapes were one of the major products of the land of Israel. The vines, in addition to Olive trees, were grown on the terraces on the surrounding hills, where not much else would grow.
One use of wine was for mixing with water that was collected in cisterns, which would not have been very drinkable by itself.
Yes, they drank wine as a major product of the land.
Although Israel didn't export much wine, wine was a major trading item on the ports and with caravans.
---Rod4Him on 12/3/10


Ok it says right in the Bible he drank the stuff... I cant believe this debate is still going on.
---JackB on 12/3/10


RICHARD
God Bless You!
What you said is true.
I have two things for you.

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

RICHARD
Know this in your heart.
The children are free!
I didnt say this, my father did!
Bless you
---TheSeg on 12/3/10


TOUCH NOT:TASTE NOT: HANDLE NOT,( This has to do with following the commanments of men.From substaining from Things - But you have to look at everything the Bible is saying.

PROVERBS 31:4 It is not for KINGS O Lemuel, it is not for KINGS to drink wine: nor for PRINCES strong drink,

NOW CHRIST is a KING and a PRINCE.This is not a commanment of men. IT'S GOD word, and who knew it better than JESUS.For this reason I can't see CHRIST being much of a drinker because it would make him hypocritical.
---RICHARD on 12/2/10


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(Maybe, in those days, wedding celebrants preferred grape juice to wine, but somehow, I doubt it)
---Donna66 on 12/2/10



10-4 the more things change, the more they stay the same.
You know I think if you go to the blind and deaf and asked.
Was it wine?

You know somehow I believe theyll say you know it!
Anyway my point is, we are still guilty of it!

And thank God for it!
For ALL have sinned!

That, but somehow, I doubt it!
Cracked me up! LOL!
---TheSeg on 12/2/10


\\I think Jesus turned the water into new wine.Some would have us think Jesus drank strong drink when in fact, He does not approve of strong drink.\\

So you, too, shira, project your unbiblical taboo of "Thou shalt not drink," onto Jesus.

He told me to tell you He never said this. And His Apostle St. Paul condemned the notion of reducing the Gospel to "touch not, taste not, handle not."

And I personally resent your notion that Jesus did a half way (and you know how that's spelled) miracle.
---Cluny on 12/2/10


Matt 11:19


The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.


They falsely accused the Lord of being a drunk simply because he drank wine. Its obvious from this verse that one CAN drink wine without being a drunk. Which means Christ did NOT get drunk from the wine He drank. It doesnt mean he didnt drink it which is obvious from the last supper where he drank it with the 12 disciples.
---JackB on 12/2/10


Jesus would not have had to wait for the naturally slow process of fermentation. But the fact that the Wedding guests thought His wine even better than what they were served first, makes me think that it was indeed fermented... perfectly.

(Maybe, in those days, wedding celebrants preferred grape juice to wine, but somehow, I doubt it)
---Donna66 on 12/2/10


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When Jesus turned the water into wine, I wonder if he did it in stages of fermintation or do you think he turned it into wine just like he said. I think Jesus turned the water into new wine.Some would have us think Jesus drank strong drink when in fact, He does not approve of strong drink.
---shira3877 on 12/2/10


\\Some say it was not wine but grape juice.\\

And when you first squeeze grapes, fermentation starts immediately.
---Cluny on 12/2/10


Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart (Ecclesiastes 9:7).

He causes the grass to grow ...And wine that makes glad the heart of man .... (Psalm 104:14, 15).

And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires, you shall eat there before the Lord your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household (Deuteronomy 14:26).

I will bring back the captives of My people Israel, they shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them, (Amos 9:14).

Wine is a gift from God, given to us for our enjoyment. Sounds good to me!
---NurseRobert on 12/2/10


mima
Not even on that. Some say it was not wine but grape juice.
These same see wine as a sin. So they dont drink it.
And do say it is a sin! Believing they are not guilty of it.
Just as Adam and Eve try to cover their own sins.
Do I believe this? Yes!

For all have fallen short of the glory of God!
For as James said
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

So long as one believes he has stopped sinning, he is guilty of it!
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

God Bless Them!
---TheSeg on 12/2/10


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To all those who believe Jesus did not drink wine can we at least agree on one point?

Jesus did turn water into wine!!! Do you agree?
---mima on 12/2/10


Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

Joh 2:7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
---TheSeg on 12/1/10


\\sed to choke down a glass of cooking sherry.\\

Not a good idea. Cooking sherry has salt in it.

francis, i'm so grieved for you that you are in bondage to the false gospel of "touch not, taste not, handle not", including "drink not."
---Cluny on 12/1/10


yes and at one time cigarrettes were recommended for asthma
---francis on 12/2/10


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Wine has often been recommended (even by doctors) as an appetite stimulant....not as often now as in the past.
I still smile remembering how my grandfather, whose doctor told him to drink a glass of wine before dinner, used to choke down a glass of cooking sherry. He was given some very nice wine by well meaning friends, but as a strict non-drinker, he felt better somehow, drinking something that tasted terrible and "medicine"-like.
---Donna66 on 12/1/10


Great point Mima. The text does tell us that others made those claims about Jesus...but I'm not sure whether or not they were false claims. Since the evidence is not clear to me I can confidently confirm or deny my strong suspicion that Jesus and his closest associates did drink wine during the numerous celebrations that they observed.
---AG on 12/1/10


Great point mima.
My only problem is that I don't believe Christ committed the sins of gluttony or drunkness, therefore I believe this verse is descibing the false (or at least highly exaggerated) claims.
So to me the evidence is not concrete. But to be clear I do believe it is highly probably that Jesus drank wine.
---AG on 12/1/10


AG in light of Matthew 11:19,"The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children."
I find your statement,"The bible doesn't say Jesus drank wine, even though it was culturally acceptable in his day.
So without being there it is impossible to determine if he in fact drank wine or simply made it available to others."
---AG on 12/1/10,
just unrealistic!!
---mima on 12/1/10


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The bible doesn't say Jesus drank wine, even though it was culturally acceptable in his day.
So without being there it is impossible to determine if he in fact drank wine or simply made it available to others.
---AG on 12/1/10


After reading the comments posted here, I am reminded why I don't read these blogs too often. I cannot believe the judgmental, high and mighty, nasty, UN-Christian attitudes! Who is anyone to tell someone they are NOT saved? That is between them and GOD, not for us to decide! What happened to speaking the truth in LOVE? Pathetic.... and sad.
---kingsdaughter on 11/30/10


PROVERBS 31:4 it is not for Kings,O Lemuel,it is not for KINGS to DRINK wine, nor for PRINCES strong DRINK,

JOHN 18:37 Pilate therfore said unto him, ART thou KING then? JESUS answered, Thou sayest that I am a KING, TO this end I was Born,-----------
REVELATION 1:5 And from Jesus Christ,who is the faithful witness,and first begotton of the dead, and the PRINCE of the Kings of the earth.---------
---RiCHARD on 11/29/10


\\Cluny, quit projecting your unBiblical taboo about "thou shalt drink" onto the Bible. \\

francis, this is the second time you have demonstrated that you have NO IDEA what the word "taboo" actually means.

Unlike you, I have no un-Biblical taboos I project onto the Bible.
---Cluny on 11/29/10


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Cluny, quit projecting your unBiblical taboo about "thou shalt drink" onto the Bible.

Proverbs 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, [when] it moveth itself aright.
---francis on 11/29/10


francis, quit projecting your unBiblical taboo about "thou shalt not drink" onto the Bible.
---Cluny on 11/29/10


\\Well, God has already made it clear to me that He didn't save me for my stability.\\

People suffering from prelest, as you are, catherine, are not saved.

NOBODY here has ever tried to claim that Jesus was a drunkard, though that was one of the slanders He had to endure according to the Gospels.

I'm GLAD I don't belong to the familiar spirits you call "god" and "jesus."
---Cluny on 11/29/10


//But alcohol cures no chronic stomach problems. ---francis on 11/28/
So you agree it is used to treat, where do you read the word cure?
---michael_e on 11/29/10


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If you take time to read it specifically ---michael_e on 11/28/10

I have read it, and I am in the medical field.
Wine, especially thick wine, like date or palm wine, is often used to treat stomach ulcers.
But alcohol cures no chronic stomach problems.
---francis on 11/28/10


If timothy had an OFTEN imfirmity, and drank a little alcohol everytime he had that OFTEN infirmity how long before he is a full blown drunk? What OFTEN stomach illness has ever been cured by alcohol?
---francis on 11/28/10//

If you take time to read it specifically says use, Paul not saying and me not being a Dr. of medicine, I wouldn't know what illness alcohol cures, and if you would take the time to read it doesn't say anything about curing.
---michael_e on 11/28/10


Well, God has already made it clear to me that He didn't save me for my stability. But, in any case, Mr. Cuny..A ways back some bloggers on here, was trying to make my Savior, mind you, The Lord Jesus Christ out to be a drunk, and I would go screaming to Jesus over it. And He said, "well, some of those people are not mine"!!!! Just trying to stop some people from more embarrassment come on the Great Judgment Day. That's all.
---catherine on 11/28/10


So then I take it, some of you dont believe Jesus the Christ of God observed Passover. (As God commanded)
And I take it you must believe there something wrong with it, wine!

Then I say:
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee, Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
(Because, if you do! They will!)

(You see!)
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him, lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
---TheSeg on 11/28/10


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grape juice was considered wine. There is new wine and old wine. the bible explains it very clearly.
---shira3877 on 11/28/10


\\And you people need to quit trying to get Him into a drunk.
---catherine on 11/28/10
\\

catherine, if you were really hearing from the REAL God, you would know the difference between drinking wine and being drunk.

Just further proof of your delusion.
---Cluny on 11/28/10


I don't believe that Jesus drank not a drop of the wine which He made from water. And on top of that, I do not believe that it was fermented. And you people need to quit trying to get Him into a drunk.
---catherine on 11/28/10


1 Tim 5:23 Drink no longer water, but USE a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine OFTEN infirmities.
Paul apparently says use a LITTLE wine for medicinal purposes, not as a thirst quencher.
---michael_e on 11/28/10
If timothy had an OFTEN imfirmity, and drank a little alcohol everytime he had that OFTEN infirmity how long before he is a full blown drunk?

What OFTEN stomach illness has ever been cured by alcohol?
---francis on 11/28/10


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MIMA - 11/17/10 - Grape juice drinkers are never called winebibbers ------

They were calling Christ a wineBibber because in OT Law you could have someone stone to death if they were a drunkard (winebibber) - The Pharisees I think saw it as good way to get rid of Christ.

DEUTERONOMY 21:20 And they say unto the elders of the city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious,he is a glutton and a drunkard.
21:21 And all the men of the city stone him with stones.That he die,

---RICHARD on 11/28/10


\\elsewhere in the bible where it is recommended that drunken brethren should be ex communicated.\\

There's a difference between drinking wine and being a drunkard, just as there is a difference between eating a meal and being a glutton.
---Cluny on 11/28/10


1 Tim 5:23 Drink no longer water, but USE a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
Paul apparently says use a LITTLE wine for medicinal purposes, not as a thirst quencher.
---michael_e on 11/28/10


The last Supper was not a Passover meal.

A quote by Pontius Pilate in a letter to his friend Seneca in Rome.

"He was crucified at once along with some other prisoners who were awaiting execution. It is not a bad thing to have an object lesson of this kind on the eve of the Passover . . .. By this time Jesus is buried. It is their custom to bury an executed offender the same day and, besides, the Sabbath begins at sunset - has, indeed, already begun. The Sanhedrim asked permission to bury the body this afternoon. It suits them, having got Jesus out of their way, to dispose of the whole matter before the Passover begins . . ."
---Blogger9211 on 11/27/10


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//Many will argue with me but I've never smelled liquor on his breath when Jesus has appeared to me.
---Donna5535 on 11/17/10
//

Its statements like this that should throw up a red flag.

Matt 24:23
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe it not

Mark 13:21
And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ, or, lo, he is there, believe him not:

You and Catherine worry me deeply.
---JackB on 11/20/10


//Yes, Jesus drank wine with his disciples,//---Cluny

Amen.. The last supper.

And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat, this is my body.
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it,
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.


As usual satan tryin to project guilt and sin where there is none. WHy do people insist on doing the accusers work for him?
---JackB on 11/20/10


//Only on His Mother's side, TheSeg. :-)// Cute!

Hay, what can I say! One must believe what one believes.
It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Be it unto thee even as thou wilt.
God Bless!
---TheSeg on 11/19/10


\\Is Jesus a Jew?\\

Only on His Mother's side, TheSeg. :-)

Don't forget, Jesus is NOT just a Jew, but obviously, in His human nature, He is.
---Cluny on 11/19/10


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Is Jesus a Jew?

There are 3 meals on the Sabbath. One in the Evening (Friday night), and two during the day. The meals are festive meals starting with kiddush over wine in the first two meals. Bread should be eaten for each of the 3 meals. The bread on the Sabbath is called 'Challah'. Other than that, one may eat whatever he likes. Many eat meat, poultry or fish.

Orthodox Jews can drink alcohol IF it is kosher. They do drink wine at many Jewish holidays. Wine is required at some events, such as Passover Seder every year (4 wine servings as part of the meal) and the Sabbat (sabbath) blessing (every week, one sip of wine if not more).

Ask a Jew!
Bye!
---TheSeg on 11/19/10


Yes, Jesus drank wine with his disciples, but he was not a drunkard, there is a difference in drinking a couple swallows to one cup and in drinking more many cups or many glasses: for in responsible partaking the person remains holy and sober, but in excessive drinking the person becomes unholy and demented. If a person does not know how to be temperate with wine, then they should abstain, else they become a wino: and drunkards do not enter into the kingdom of God.
---Eloy on 11/19/10


Do you men even realize that when you argue truth like this, that the root of it is pride?

You want YOUR points to be noted and taken as truth. That's pride.

Jesus never argued the truth. He taught it and then left town. If the seed fell on rocky ground, he didn't go back and try to make that rocky ground soft, did he?

MY WORD WILL NOT RETURN VOID, but will accomplish what I set it out to do (thus says the Lord...that's a scripture in Isaiah).

So you may want to stop arguing with one another, just state your point and if one of you doesn't believe it, then move on or ask the Lord, "Is this the truth Lord?"
---Donna5535 on 11/19/10


"Mima-- I may be wrong, but it was my understanding that Jesus and the disciples were celebrating PASSOVER in the Upper Room.
I can't imagine Him passing up any part of the usual celebration.

As we know, He used the occasion to teach His Disciples and to start a new celebration commemorating His death."
---Donna66 on 11/17/10

Donna you answer your own question,

"I can't imagine Him passing up any part of the USUAL celebration.

As we know, He used the occasion to teach His Disciples and to start a NEW celebration commemorating His death."
---mima on 11/18/10


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\\I am sure it is YOU who are projecting your own personal and unbiblical taboos onto Jesus.\\

As a matter of fact, francis, I don't drink so I have no personal biases to protect, unlike you.

\\... could never be tained by ETOH\\

The Seder was in March or April, the grape harvest was in August.

When you crush grapes, fermentation starts immediately because of the natural yeasts on the skins. It's a natural organic process, and without preservatives, pasteurization, or refrigeration (none of which existed in First Century Palestine), grape juice will become one of two things: wine or vinegar.


NOW who is trying to defend personal unbiblical taboos, francis?
---Cluny on 11/17/10


Don't project your own personal and unbiblical taboos onto Jesus, francis. Jewish ritual, which Jesus Himself followed during His earthly sojourn, required consumption of wine.
---Cluny on 11/17/10

I am sure it is YOU who are projecting your own personal and unbiblical taboos onto Jesus.

The wine that Jesus made was symbolic of the blood he would give, it could not be tained with ETOH

The wine that was served at the last supper was a symbol of his blood for sin, again could never be tained by ETOH

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
---francis on 11/17/10


\\ At that time most all of the family consumed wine with meals because the alcoholic content killed any bacteria that might be present.\\

Actually, wine was mixed with water and never served unmingled.

They didn't know about pathogenic bacteria until the time of Louis Pasteur.
---Cluny on 11/17/10


Christ made very high quality wine for the wedding as described in John the apostles text. There was also wine served at the last supper and all partook of it.

This is first century CE Palestine water supplies were not always that pure. People did not want to get sick. At that time most all of the family consumed wine with meals because the alcoholic content killed any bacteria that might be present. I was just a matter of good sound public health practice as many of the Kosher dietary restrictions are. People need liquid to go with meals if water supplies are untrustworthy and the choices were fresh animal milk or wine, wine would keep for extended periods milk won't with out refrigeration and that did not exist.
---Blogger9211 on 11/17/10


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\\"Thank you Lord for taking those 39 lashes,\\

Actually, the Romans were not limited to 39 lashes. The only one we KNOW received only 39 lashes (though on different occasions) is St. Paul.

**Jesus did not drink alcohol.**

Don't project your own personal and unbiblical taboos onto Jesus, francis. Jewish ritual, which Jesus Himself followed during His earthly sojourn, required consumption of wine.
---Cluny on 11/17/10


Let me start by stating I don't drink. (I hesitate to take cough med. because of the alcohol content. I'm 73 yrs. old so I don't plan on starting.) While the Bible doesn't state about Christ drinking, He probably did. We do know He turned water into wine. It's really a matter of how much you drink. I know missionary friends of mine who drink wine with their meals when on the mission field because it was safer to drink wine than water. What the Bible states is when it's used to access than expect problems. I had two brothers who died for drinking too much. It's best not to drink, in my opinion because it is addictive.
---wivv on 11/17/10


francis-- did jesus violate His own (OR the Fathers's) own standards by turning water into wine for the wedding guests?

Mima-- I may be wrong, but it was my understanding that Jesus and the disciples were celebrating PASSOVER in the Upper Room.
I can't imagine Him passing up any part of the usual celebration.

As we know, He used the occasion to teach His Disciples and to start a new celebration commemorating His death.
---Donna66 on 11/17/10


Cluny, obviously I was being funny when I said I never smelled liquor on Jesus's breath.

And I get the wounds he suffered for me and my sins. I see them every day Cluny.

I tell Him all the time, "Thank you Lord for taking those 39 lashes, for letting your enemies crucify you for MY sins, I'm sorry you had to do that, but I thank you Lord Jesus and I worship you forever and ever."
---Donna5535 on 11/17/10


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Jesus did not drink alcohol.

Proverbs 20:1 Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Proverbs 31:4 [It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [it is] not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink:

Proverbs 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, [when] it moveth itself aright

If the bible is TRUELY the word of GOD and JESUS is GOD< then Jesus would be violating his own words.
---francis on 11/17/10


James wrote,"since Jesus did pass around the cup at passover, is it not normal to expect that He as well did drink from it?" Brings to mind an interesting question. If he did drink the communion wine and if the belief of transubstantiation is true he would have drink his own blood. Of course I do not believe this and not for the reason of transubstantiation. I do not believe he drink communion wine for the reason he had no purpose to be in remembrance of himself.
---mima on 11/17/10


\\Many will argue with me but I've never smelled liquor on his breath when Jesus has appeared to me.
---Donna5535 on 11/17/10\\

Did you see the wounds of His passion?

if not, it was an impostor.
---Cluny on 11/17/10


Frank, would you consider accepting the word of Jesus Christ himself? If so here is your answer, Matthew 11:19,
"The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children."

Grape juice drinkers are never called winebibbers!!!
---mima on 11/17/10


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Donna: since Jesus did pass around the cup at passover, is it not normal to expect that He as well did drink from it? Or that at the wedding in Cana he also had something to drink.

Your argument is based on the initial idea that any alcohol is wrong, and is not a way to prove that.

Arguing that beyond a certain level alcohol makes a person unable to decide what is right is fine, but automatically setting (with no logical or Biblical authority) that level at zero is illogical and not supported by the Bible
---James on 11/17/10


Frank, do you want an intellectual and theological answer? Or do you want a simple child-like faith response?

I don't have either, but I have a teeny weeny bit of wisdom and here's what I think.

Since wine makes a person tipsy and alters their thinking a little bit (the more you drink, obviously the more drunk you get) since Jesus was without sin, that means his mind was always alert, sound, thinking clearly, and so I think it's safe to say Jesus did not actually drink Himself.

Many will argue with me but I've never smelled liquor on his breath when Jesus has appeared to me.
---Donna5535 on 11/17/10


Here we go again.

The notion that the Bible teaches "Thou shalt not drink" is a holdover from the 19th century temperance movement. It's a taboo that exists ONLY in America in certain circles in Christianity. Corresponding European Christians do not share this cultural taboo.

Inebriation is one thing. Moderate and sensible use of alcoholic drinks is another. One might as well use the Bible's condemnations of gluttony to forbid eating--or observing Thanksgiving day.

The Passover and Sabbath rituals required wine be drunk. Doubtless Jesus drank wine, beer, and on occasion distilled spirits, like every other Jew of His day.
---Cluny on 11/17/10


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