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Christians Don't Know Bible

Pew Research publicized results of a Poll on Religion. Protestants and Catholics knew the least on their doctrine compared to atheists, morons and Jews. These bible illiterates didn't know the Plan of Salvation, couldn't name the 4 Gospels and the 1st book of their bible. Why is this?

Moderator - Because most people are cultural Christians. IE they are not truly Christians yet they are getting grouped in as Christians.

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Thanks Trav!
If you happen to find some new info from some old scroll you happen to find in your attic. It would be interesting.
---John on 12/1/10

I've heard this allegory of the woman at the well.
Lost Sheep/Divorced Nth House of Israel....former wife of GOD. Is this woman.
This woman had 5 husbands. None who were in reality.
Israel had 5 in adultery rulers....5 post divorce GOD.
Assyrians,Babylonians,Persians,Greeks/Alexander and Rome/Romans who was/is not her Husband/Lord/Ruler either.
We know a Bridegroom comes for Israel...All nations of....he won't look like an obamanation poser ruler either.
---Trav on 12/2/10


Alan: "You seem to be saying that He only came to seek and save the Jews, not Gentiles: How then am I saved?"

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
---jerry6593 on 12/2/10


Thanks Trav!

If you happen to find some new info from some old scroll you happen to find in your attic. It would be interesting.

I will follow up on my end.

Good Post!
---John on 12/1/10


"Water from Jacobs (AKA Israel) well. Sounds like a good alegory there as well. and of course the fact she was a Samaritan
---John on 11/29/10

Got to go to work, so more later. But, note that she called it her fathers, Jacob well. She was a Samaritan by nationality...descendant from divorce of the Nth House 10 nations of Israel. She knew of a(saviour)coming...as per her statement.
Samaritians were a mixed lot. Many were the lineage of the divorced nth house 10 nations of Israel. Divorced,the Nth house nations lost her married name. This woman is a true, Lost Sheep, example. Matt 10:6-15:24
---Trav on 12/1/10


Rob - what did I say that you think is not in the Bible? If you tell me, I will look it up, and if I find it, I will share the scripture with you. However, there have also been MANY times that I have shared scripture with you on subjects, and you still dismiss it as being not Biblical. I wander if it is you or the Bible that is WRONG.
---Leslie on 12/1/10




Leslie, I agree with you 100% that all who call themselves Christian should read the entire Bible.

I will add to this they should also know and understand the Bible by asking and answering the questions WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and TO WHOM the scripture was written.

I also must say I wonder about you. On another blog you said something is not written in the Bible. I looked at two different Bible translations and found what you said was not written.

I wonder if you would tell people if they found something they don't like or agree with, they should rip it out their Bible and through it into the garbage.
---Rob on 11/30/10


The more you read, the more confused you will be. Anyone can memorize verses but not the meaning. I think we need more prayer and ask for understanding.
Some here would be lost without there bibles. They are the weak ones for they know not that Jesus is the way and truth. His Spirit will be their comfort.
---calhoon on 11/30/10


Leslie, you are probably correct that most Christianity today is apostate and very compromsing to the world system. If one takes your advice to read the entire Bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you will definitely have problems with what we see in the church today. A Nazarene pastor once told me that the closer you get to Christ and His word, the more in conflict you will find yourself with your own denomination. I think he spoke the truth.
---leej on 11/30/10


Here is a CHALLENGE for ALL who call themselves Christians: I challenge you to read the entire Bible, and when you do to ask the Holy Spirit to open it up to your understanding, and TEACH you the Bible, then ask the Holy Spirit to REVEAL the Bible to you through His eyes. When you do this, you will be amazed at what you find - that MOST if not ALL of modern day Christianity is based on Paganism and Idolitry, and NOT on what the Bible acculally says.
---Leslie on 11/30/10


As a child my dad used to explain to me that some people will accept the knowledge of Jesus Christ as truth and call themselves Christians and never let that story change their lives.

Then there are those who let the LOVE of the truth of Jesus Christ into their hearts where it can actually make a difference. Once that happens a man cannot continue to sin his life away and be happy about it.

The first group of people dont care to read their Bibles and draw closer to God because they havent been touched by his love yet.
---JackB on 11/30/10




Trav a very interesting teaching on the "Woman at the Well". If you can expand on that one. I would like to learn more. Was there a significance to the number of husbands and number of kindoms? Was the time she was at the well of significance other than that was the time an adulteress would have been there to avoid the other woman. They would have been at the well in the early morning to avoid the heat. Also she draws on the "Water from Jacobs (AKA Israel) well. Sounds like a good alegory there as well. and of course the fact she was a Samaritan

PS: The well is still in existance today.
---John on 11/29/10


Shawn "... ...he came to seek and save that which was lost"

You seem to be saying that He only came to seek and save the Jews, not Gentiles:

How then am I saved?
---alan_of_uk on 11/29/10


It is said here, unfortunately, that the Reformers were men of unclean lips. It is not so (I believe). William Tyndale was a very godly Christian man.

I see Christ in William Tyndale, his godly life and conversation. As a humble martyr, all he prayed for was, "Lord, open the King of Englands eyes."

The original 1599 Geneva Bible writes concerning Romanes 11:12, Wherefore if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles, how much more shall their aboundance be?

Note L concerning aboundance, "Of the Iewes, when the whole nation without exception shall come to CHRIST."

I'm so sorry for any misunderstandings.
---Kev on 11/29/10


Trav, yes Jesus spoke to Gentiles, and Gentiles spoke to Him.

BUT can you show anywhere in John 6 that He was speaking to Gentiles?

THAT was what the context of my statement was.
---kathr4453 on 11/29/10

The context is the same throughout the New Covenant. Gentiles means nations. It is plural never singular. It almost always refers to the Nth House nations divorced. Judah/Benj had a jelous problem with them because they were divorced.
Which part of Matt 10:6/Matt 15:24 do you reject. Which part of Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31. It is a dangerous thing to teach against the prophets and Christ.
---Trav on 11/29/10


Trav, yes Jesus spoke to Gentiles, and Gentiles spoke to Him.

BUT can you show anywhere in John 6 that He was speaking to Gentiles?

THAT was what the context of my statement was.
---kathr4453 on 11/29/10


Kathr ... Jesus did not speak to the Gentiles?

He taught the Woman at the Well
He named the Samaritan as neighbour
He healed the Centurion's daughter
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/25/10

The woman at the well...named her father as Jacob....who dug the well. She was "Lost Israel" divorced. And divorced from her worldly husbands as well. Possibly an analogy of the ruling kindoms over Nth Israel since her divorce.
While anyone can appeal to GOD or Christ...he came to seek and save that which was lost:
Matt 10:6/Matt 15:24
---Trav on 11/29/10


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Kev, I believe we have so much more LIGHT today then in 1535.

How many reformers would fall on their faces today , in repentance, saying as Job did, I am a man of unclean lips, seeing God has brought Israel back to the Land of their forefathers.

They certainly fought against Papal rule, and RCC doctrine, however many never made it past romans 5. Had thy gone on to Romans 6-8 we would not see calvin murdering anyone, and going on to Romans 9-11, would know God's plan for Israel.

There would be no Puritan Calvinists claiming America teh NEW Promise Land or them God's new chosen people.

We would also not have those like catherine wanting to kill all infidels off the New Promise land of America either.
---kathr4453 on 11/28/10


That was some of Myles Couerdale's Prologue to the Reader (concerning the Apocrypha) in his Bible translation, written in the year of our Lord 1535. I ran out of space because of the 125-word limit. It's my steadfast opinion that Christians should read what the Protestant Reformers wrote in the Apocrypha Prologues in its entirety. This includes Iohn Wyclif's Bible in the late 1300s, Myles Couerdale Bible 1535, Thomas Matthew's Bible 1537, the Great Bible 1539, and the 1560 Geneva Bible. Saint Ierome's excellent writings in epistola ad Paulinum should also be read.

The Bible Museum in Arizona shows that all Bibles printed up to 1885 included the Apocrypha.

Saint Ierome was right after all!
---Kev on 11/27/10


Miles, I believe everthing in Revelation is backed up somewhere else in scripture. Much of Prophecy in the OT has not yet been fulfilled. To know and undeerstand these prophesies, is the key.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/10


\\These bokes (good reader)which be called Apocrypha, are not iudged amonge the Doctours to be of like reputacion with the other scripture, as thou mayest perceaue by S. Ierome in epistola ad Paulinum.\\

That's Miles Coverdale's opinion. Not that of other ancient writers.
---Cluny on 11/26/10


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These bokes (good reader)which be called Apocrypha, are not iudged amonge the Doctours to be of like reputacion with the other scripture, as thou mayest perceaue by S. Ierome in epistola ad Paulinum. And the chefe cause therof is this: there be many places in them, that seme to be repugnaunt vnto the open and manyfest trueth in the other bokes of the byble. Neuertheles I haue not gathered them together to the intent that I wolde haue them despysed, or litle sett by, or that I shulde thinke them false, for I am not able to proue it: yee I doute not verely, yf they were equally conferred with the other open scripture(tyme, place, and circumstaunce in all things considered)they shulde nether seme contrary, ner be vntruely
---Myles_Couerdale_1535 on 11/26/10


Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he, (Christ) is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Here we see it's a promise only to those who come to God BY HIM. TODAY, No one can get to God except by Jesus via calvary.

---kathr4453 on 11/25/10


2.John 8:33
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
I know that ye are Abraham's seed, but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

4.Galatians 3:29
And ,if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Again MarkV you have it backwards. AND no one was talking about the Promises given through Abraham to Israel RE Jacob. IN ISAAC will thy seed be called.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/10


Alan, Please post Thank you.

Yes Jesus CAME TO THEM.

When you read ALL of John 6 it begins that thousands CAME TO JESUS. But they came for all the wrong reasons..to fill their bellies. They came to Make Him KING right then.

When Jesus explained what coming TO HIM really meant, they walked away.

The Father's drawing to Christ was in the context of SAVIOR/The LAMB of God to set them free from SIN ,not King, as was Judas's mistake and WHY Judas betrayed Him.

Many today are in fact drawn to Jesus for all the wrong reasons. ONLY those drawn to the CROSS are given to Jesus by the Father.

May God bless you all on this wonderful thanksgiviving day.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/10


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Kathr ... Jesus did not speak to the Gentiles?

He taught the Woman at the Well
He named the Samaritan as neighbour
He healed the Centurion's daughter
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/25/10


Kathr, again your wrong, for you say,
"Abraham was NOT your Father( according to the flesh), he was THEIRS, of which Jesus said, THAT does not automatically save you.."
The prophet Isaiah clearly called Israel, "the seed of Abraham" Isaiah 41:8) Yet Paul wrote, "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promise made." He does not say "And to seeds, as of man" But as One, "And to your Seed." who is Christ"( Galatians 3:16). In the Old Testament God definitly called "Israel..the seed of Abraham" Isaiah 41:8 yet in Galatians 3:16 Paul plainly wrote that Abrahams seed does not refer to "many" but to "One" who is Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 11/25/10


Context Context context MarkV. I know why you don't want to see scripture in it's proper perspective, because it blows a hole in your doctrine that God picked out certain people.

Jesus was FIRST HAND talking to Jews about THEIR rejecting of Him. THEY should have known who He was.

Yes we can all learn from all scripture. God gave Moses the LAW, but he didn't give the LAW to YOU.

Abraham was NOT your Father( according to the flesh), he was THEIRS, of which Jesus said, THAT does not automatically save you..

NO MARK, That conversation was not directed at you.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/10


In the OT, God chose the Israelites and instructed them to spread His word throughout the world. The Israelites thought it was only for them and did not do it- a selfish act indeed - save a few.

Jesus came to tell a handful of people about the Kingdom of God who were instructed to go out into the world to preach the gospel - the Kingdom of God and how to get there.
---Steveng on 11/24/10


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Kathr, as always you have your stories crossed, or mixed together so that you can be right but you are wrong. The words that were said by Jesus were not meant for only the Jews as you claim. Those words are for everyone. Just because the Gospel went to the gentiles later does not mean those words were not meant for them. Now you are picking what you want to hear and giving Scripture the meaning you want, when you want it. Now you can say that God does not draw individuals but only Jews, I suppose because you claim you are a Jew. Sorry Kathr, you attempt to dishonor the word of God is not working.
---Mark_V. on 11/24/10


Pew Research publicized results of a Poll on Religion. Protestants and Catholics knew the least on their doctrine compared to atheists, morons (I'm assuming Mormons is meant) and Jews. These bible illiterates didn't know the Plan of Salvation, couldn't name the 4 Gospels and the 1st book of their bible. Why is this?

Iohn Wyclif's Bible has the Apocrypha.

William Tyndale's, Myles Couerdale's, and Thomas Matthew's perfect Bible translation have the Apocrypha.

The 1560 Geneva Bible (my favorite) has the Apocrypha.

The original 1599 Geneva Bible has the Apocrypha. I know, because I borrowed one from the University.

The Bible Museum in Arizona shows that all Bibles printed up to 1885 had the Apocrypha.
---Kev_a_Protestant on 11/24/10


MarkV, that is ok with me that you disagree. I still stand by what I said. In the 4 Gospels Jesus was not talking to Gentiles. He came to HIS OWN, that was Israel, not Gentiles.

PAUL brought the Gospel to Gentiles. Not even on the day of Pentecost was a Gentile recorded to being saved.

The feet of those TODAY who bring the Good news are most precious to God!!!

How shall they call without a preacher? GO YE into the whole world and preach the Gospel was Jesus command! The whole world meant Gentiles too. Just as John 3:16 announced!
---kathr4453 on 11/24/10


kath4453---
I cannot find anywhere in John 6 where Jesus "states to Jews ONLY".
Jhn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Only after the Jews "murmer", does He quote the prophet... who WAS speaking about them.
It does NOT say... ONLY those taught of the Father.
---Donna66 on 11/24/10


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Like most political polls, they poll mostly Democrats to get the results they want. That would account for the high number of atheists and morons.
---jerry6593 on 11/24/10


Kathr, I again disagree with you when you said about the Jews,
"
mima, I cannot separate Romans 10:13 from vs 14-17. One must HEAR the Gospel first to call on the name of the Lord."

The passages clearly say that,
"But they have not all obeyed the Gospel." Romans 10:16. They heard and didn't call on the name of the Lord. That means they had heard the gospel already and rejected it. Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" Then he says,
"So than faith comes from hearing, and hearing the word of God" But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed. What they needed was recognition of Jesus as Lord and the One who raised up Jesus from the dead. (v.9).

---Mark_V. on 11/24/10


What an odd Poll.
Atheists know more about their "doctrine" because it is simple: No God.

I didn't know "morons" had any doctrine (or did you mean "Mormons")

I'm not sure which kind of Jews they interviewed, but othodox and perhaps active reformed, are taught doctrine from childhood. It is part of their culture.

"Protestant" is a catagory of very wide range, and many nominal Cathloics and Protestants have no interest in church OR doctrine. Some most likely don't know what "doctrine" is.

So this study proved...What?
---Donna66 on 11/23/10


mima, I cannot separate Romans 10:13 from vs 14-17. One must HEAR the Gospel first to call on the name of the Lord.

Paul is talking here to Gentiles, If you read the remainder of Romans 10, Israel already heard.

We must teach Gentiles the Gospel. In John, Jesus states to Jews ONLY, Those whom the Fahter has taught come to me. However Gentiles were never taught by the Father through the Law and Prophets. Now Paul is saying The Gospel must be preached to Gentiles so THEY can call on the name of the Lord.Remember how important it is to READ all these verses, really starting at Romans 10:1 to the end of the chapter!
---kathr4453 on 11/23/10


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Tray, Amen. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Why can't voters vote, judge, you gonna wish that you had. Vote, or rather judge, does the living God live in them. STOP VOTING INTO OFFICE, THE DEVIL.
---catherine on 11/23/10


Obama is as arrogant as was King Herod. Perhaps he deserves the same fate.

Act 12:21-23 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
---jerry6593 on 11/23/10

Amen, Amen. He kills newborns of the land too like his nemesis Herod. Herod was also an imposter/poser. Purchasing his position.
Herod's court of propheteloys put Purple garments on their true love and their messiah.
---Trav on 11/23/10


Mima, I will take you up on the interpretation of Romans 10:13.
In the context, Paul quoted Joel (2:32) to emphasize that salvation is available for people of all nations and races. "Call in the name" is a familiar Old Testament expression (Pss 79:5,6, 105:1, 116:4,5) does not refer to some desperate cry to just any deity but to the one true God as He has revealed Himself-revelation which now includes recognition by faith of Jesus as Lord (v.9) and of the One who raised up Jesus from the dead (v. 9). So 10:13 is true when it is combine with what verse 9 says. If you just say verse 13, without verse 9 it means nothing.
---Mark_V. on 11/22/10


Since christian means Christ like, I will put myself into the catagory of born again sinner, saved by faith. The word "christian" by some standards includes everyone in the world even all the false doctrine that abounds.
---shira3877 on 11/22/10


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Christianity is about faith,belief and love. You don't have to be a bible scholar to be a christian. If one can master the gospels, you will do ok. But we want to be as familiar with the Word of God, as possible. We don't know much about raising kids and marriage but people get married everyday. As a christian we are under construction. We are not perfect and have not arrived in heaven,yet. OK. We will make mistakes and errors. This is why we need Jesus. Those people taking polls need to be somewhere on the knees,praying. Get real people. You don't understand Christianity---at all!
---Robyn on 11/20/10


Steveng: "Repeating a prayer is as useless as drinking sand when you are thirsty."

True.

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
---jerry6593 on 11/20/10


James_L: "Several decades ago, when a man courted a woman, it was said that he was calling on her. This didn't mean he was talking to her, it meant that he was showing his devotion to her."

Actually, James_L, it meant a man was visiting the girl. It didn't only mean a boy was visiting a girl, it meant any person visiting another person. A person needs to live in or visit the South (southeast United States) to understand the culture. The southern people still use the phrase today.
---Steveng on 11/19/10


#1

\\If anyone wants to give me their interpretation of Romans 10:13 feel free to do so.\\
---mima on 11/18/10

It's hard in a couple of 125 word posts, but I'll try.

Romans 10:9-13 is in the context of chapters 8-11 and can be understood alongside Matthew 10 and 2 Timothy 2:8-22

"Call on" doesn't mean "pray to". Several decades ago, when a man courted a woman, it was said that he was calling on her. This didn't mean he was talking to her, it meant that he was showing his devotion to her. Same in Romans 10.

Rom 8:17 says we are Joint-heirs (jointly inherit) with Christ IF we Suffer with Him. In ch 10-11 this inheritance is called salvation. Heb 1:14 says we will inherit salvation.
---James_L on 11/18/10


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#3

Matt 10:40-42 says "whoever receives you receives Me...will receive a REWARD

Colossians 3:17, 23-24 says "Whatever you do...do all in the NAME OF THE LORD...as for the Lord...knowing...you will receive THE REWARD OF THE INHERITANCE

Hebrews 1:14 says we will "INHERIT SALVATION"

In short we:
endure suffering to INHERIT
endure suffering to be SAVED
confess Him to be SAVED
confess Him to be HONORED
call on Him to NOT BE ASHAMED
call on Him to be SAVED
suffer to receive a REWARD

endure, confess, call on Him, suffer are used interchangably

saved, reward, honored, inherit are all used interchangably
---James_L on 11/18/10


Repeating a prayer is as useless as drinking sand when you are thirsty.

Would you repeat a conversation with a friend over and over again? I sure hope not, you wouldn't have many long-time friends to associate with.

Prayers are nothing more or less than a conversation with God. Do an online KJV bible search for the word "pray" and learn from the many examples about how to pray and what to pray.

When using a repeated prayer, you are using you mind. When praying as in conversation, you are praying from the heart. I'm sure there are many "needs" around you so start with them - and pray without ceasing.
---Steveng on 11/18/10


//Hey, I just got an idea, yes. I'll ask my sister who's a false teacher, some of those questions. Oh, they are such hard questions.

Unfortunately, once a person becomes a Christian, one has to grow spiritually and in knowledge of the Christian faith.

One is not granted a degree in theology all at one time, it is something one must work toward.

Your sister is probably as dumb about things as others are.
---leej on 11/18/10


MIma ... I think yuo need to take on board leej's point that saying the prayer is not enough. If you think that, it is as bad as thinking that baptism (adult or infant) will save you. None of it will save you, unless your heart has accepted Jesus's Gift.

Since yuo constantly refer just to the prayer being said, and don't talk about the heart, or the belief, of the faith, I can understand why Ignatius has a go at you!

Just saying the prayer IS a work ... I'm sure you don't really beleive it is sufficient to save you, but you need to make your position clear on this issue
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/18/10


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Hey, I just got an idea, yes. I'll ask my sister who's a false teacher, some of those questions. Oh, they are such hard questions.
---catherine on 11/18/10


Romans 10:9-10That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

All too many of those who answer any altar call to go up front and confess Jesus as Lord & Savior, do so but not with their hearts.

Any pastor that has a church that has an altar call will tell us that much.

It is those who exhibit a changed life that are the ones that have truly accepted Christ into their lives.

And I believe that the Pew research deals mostly with those who confess with their mouths but not with their hearts.
---leej on 11/18/10


"Mima, please show where in scripture is the so called "SINNER'S PRAYER" that people are constantly told to say."
---Rob on 11/17/10

As I have said many times I base my belief on using "the sinner's prayer" on the scripture Romans 10:13,"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." And of course to reinforce my belief in using a sinner prayer is about 45 years of experience.

If anyone wants to give me their interpretation of Romans 10:13 feel free to do so.
---mima on 11/18/10


Mima,

You believe is work based salvation, since saying a prayer for salvation is a dead work.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/18/10


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Cluny, now you tell us...lol.

I have been saying for years the sinners prayer isn't in the bible and doesn't get you saved....it had to take Paul Washer's teachings to be posted on You Tube for my own family to believe me (because of course they being Catholic think they are saved and tell me they're going to heaven because they're good people....mind you they do NOT forgive their own family members and hold grudges for 20 years, they are very bitter people and point out everyone else's sins except their own...I tell them, "yep, you're going somewhere someday when you die, but I doubt it's heaven." (Kidding, I don't tell them that).
---Donna5535 on 11/18/10


Sinner's prayers are just one of the many DEAD WORKS of fundagelicostalism.
---Cluny on 11/17/10


Mima,

Why do you believe in the extra biblical, and anti-biblical notion of salvation through a "Sinner''s Prayer"? Why have you put traditions of men above the word of God?

Contrary to your man-made tradition, Holy Scriptures does not teach that salvation is obtained and hold on to simply by saying a prayer (the current form of the sinner's prayer is man made as well).

It is a devious doctrine. Which following and depending upon will lead one to hell.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/17/10


The research results are because of "sloppy grace". People think that the Bible is hard to understand, doctrine/theology is for the occupational minister, and actually obeying God's Word isn't required to get into Heaven because, afterall, Jesus paid the price for everyone, so why deal with any of that stuff?

The unfortunate reality is that there are good churches full of good people who simply aren't part of the Kingdom. It's sad, but it's all predicted in the Scripture.

The evidence of a true believer is the Spirit of God in them. They don't have to prove it, it's evident by the fruit of Love, gifts of the Spirit, power of God, and authority of Truth that's imparted in their lives by God, not fabricated by themselves.
---Neil_Heacock on 11/18/10


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I was unaware that "atheists and morons" had any "doctrine".
---jerry6593 on 11/18/10


many years ago, my husband read the sinners prayer then signed his name under it. He thought he was saved. I didn't try to say anything negative, I just lived the way a christian lives. After 45 years he got saved but I can tell you, it wasn't the sinners prayer that saved him. He got down on his knees and ask God to save him, weeping and praying. Under conviction, he gave his heart to Christ and it was REAL. He was a changed man. Thank God, I know he is in heaven now. I have no doubts.
---shira3877 on 11/18/10


THE SINNERS PRAYER DOESN'T SAVE ANYONE

The above seems to be at odds with Romans 10:13,Acts 2:21 and Joel 2:32 which says,
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."\\
---mima on 11/17/10

Mima, I have addressed you on this topic three or four times, and you have not once attempted to give an answer. Shame on you. That is an absolutely false gospel that you teach. You say "call on the name of the Lord" means to pray, asking Him to save you. But again, Romans 10:20 says "I became manifest to those who DID NOT ASK FOR ME."

Are you going to answer that, or keep on preaching a false gospel? I can tell you what 10:13 means if you just respond.
---James_L on 11/17/10


Twisting scripture and referencing other resources beside the bible can get a christian into hot water.

Besides, the great delusion for end-time christians is to believe they are christians, but are not. Christians believe that by attending a denominational "church" and going to a building once a week makes them a christian. God is pouring our his spirit during these days, but only a few are listening. The harvest is great today, but the workers are few, very few.
---Steveng on 11/17/10


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Cluny, it is true this has been discussed before, but it has become an a serious problem.

When I was in Elementary School, my family very seldom went to Church, but I knew what was the first book of the Bible, and I knew what were the first four books of the New Testament.

It is sad there are "ADULTS" who go to Church week after week, month after month, and year after year, but they can't answer these questions when asked.
---Rob on 11/17/10


Mima, please show where in scripture is the so called "SINNER'S PRAYER" that people are constantly told to say.
---Rob on 11/17/10


As I stated so many times before...

NEARLY ALL(SO-CALLED)CHRISTIANS ARE ABSOLUTELY IGNORANT OF THEIR FAITH AND JUDISM. THIS IS WILLFUL IGNORANCE

HERE'S WHAT I HEARD FROM VARIOUS CHURCH ELDERS...

1)Question on Abraham... "Was this before he became President?"
2) On Martin Luther.. "I got to say he did a lot for Black people and Civil Rights"
3) Was Jesus a Jew?
4) Well the Jews believe in Jesus don't They?
5) Is God in the Thunder
6) Was Paul an Apostle?
7) How old was Jezebel in Revelation
8) Who did Paul write to?
9) Well the Apostles weren't Jews!
MANY MORE...

Yet a Muslim who thinks the world is flat knows his Quran inside and out. Same with the Orthodox Jews.
---JOHN on 11/17/10


mima - and only those that KNOW Him can call upon Him, right? Amen?

Read that scripture veryyyy carefully.

If they don't KNOW Him, how can they call upon Him?

Jesus will either say to men: Be gone from me, for I never KNEW you OR Well done, thy good and faithful servant.

TO know Him mima is to OBEY Him with all of thine heart, soul, mind, will and emotions.
---Donna5535 on 11/17/10


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Donna your statement,"Also, Suze, go to You Tube and type in Paul Washer. He is saying what I've said all along, THE SINNERS PRAYER DOESN'T SAVE ANYONE and American Christians aren't really Christians at all. They are not converted and they still sin,"

The above seems to be at odds with Romans 10:13,Acts 2:21 and Joel 2:32 which says,

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
---mima on 11/17/10


Suze, because "Many are called but few are chosen." And "the gate and path is narrow that leads to life and FEW are those who find it."

Also, Suze, go to You Tube and type in Paul Washer. He is saying what I've said all along, the sinners prayer doesn't save anyone and American Christians aren't really Christians at all. They are not converted and they still sin, etc., I have a friend who has been walking with the Lord for over 30 years and I can't get her to call her sins, sin. She makes excuses and says, "oh the Lord knows my heart." Yes, true, but Jesus did say, "Unless ye repent, ye shall perish."
---Donna5535 on 11/17/10


There is a differences between those who say they are Christians and those who actually practice Christianity. The latter will pray, fast, do amsgiving, repent of their sins, will know about Holy Scriptures (even though they may have erroneous interpretations), and will have general knowledge about their Faith.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/17/10


Some of them either donot take the time or are not taught how to search the scriptures like they should.
---candice on 11/17/10


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Haven't we already discussed this once?
---Cluny on 11/17/10


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