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Mark ... As JackB points out, you have said "they were predestined to sin" Since God does the predestining, that means He made them to sin.

As for the other things, those were things you clam have been said and in the past you have accused me specifically of them. But as you know none of those who disagree with you have ever said or indicated those things, They are your own invention or imagination!

When I said God is so greaat He does not need to be a dictator, and so give us freewill, you said I denied God's sovereignty.
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/12/10


Mark you say "They do not want God interfering with their lives." When a person demands free will, they demand their own rights, not Gods"

No-one here has ever demanded free-will
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/12/10


Jackb, what they claim is that a whole other creation after Adam who was the only one made out of clay, ((we know that clay or all humanity inherited sin,)) except them I guess, or that they are a NEW LUMP of clay created who never sinned or inherited sin.

But no matter how you look at it, whether they are good clay or bad clay..they are STILL CLAY.

CLAY cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/10


I never said God made them sin. That still holds. They were pre-destined to sin is what I wrote. I got it from Scripture,

"They stumble because they disobey the word, "as they were destined to do." But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light"
Everyone that God has chosen are a people for His own possession, the others were destined to stumble because they disobeyed the word. God did not make them stumble.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/10


I've been looking again at what Mark said to JackB ... and with some astonishment!

God predestines us to sin ... that means we have no option but to sin.

All God's idea!

Then He saves some, but ensures that the rest keep on sinning.

Then "punishes" those that He does not save. For sinning as He predestined them?

Mark claims it is for "disobedience" ... how can it be, when God has predestined them to be like that?

What Mark makes God out to be is a spoilt brat making things in his playroom, just to smash them out of spite, to convince Himself of his power.
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/12/10




donna66, you said

Leslie-- NOBODY is "born into" Salvation for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Everybody who receives it, receives by Grace through faith. We must spread the Gospel everywhere, because we do not know who will be like the "good ground" in the parable and receive the seed, ----
---Donna66 on 12/10/10

Thank you for preaching WHOSOEVER WILL.

I do hope you're not saying the Good ground is the pre-qualifying elect.

The Good ground is Christ in you, after you receive Him you produces FRUIT..

Only Christ in you as you abide in Him can produce fruit.!


But will MarkV rebuke YOUR whosoever will belief? Let's see!
---kathr4453 on 12/12/10


//You have told me several times, "The God made them sin" I never said that//---MarkV

"Jack B, the answer to your question is that they were predestined to sin. A plan is a plan. And with God that plan is complete before Him. It is not subject to change or subject to mens actions.
---Mark_V. on 12/23/09
---JackB on 12/11/10


If those remarks I made you think belong to you, then they were for you. If not, they don't. I said,
"They do not want God interfering with their lives." When a person demands free will, they demand their own rights, not Gods. "Even when they say they are saved, they don't want God to Rule them. Only believers complain. I hear some say that God is not in control. If He is not, they want to be rulers with their own free will. "They want to determine their own lives." When they refuse to believe that ultimately God determines their lives, they are refusing that determination. What a mockery of their salvation." It is a mockery. If this words belong to you, then they are for you.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/10


#2: If you don't like my responses then don't ask me. If you don't want to keep the peace, then it is you who doesn't. I was been kind and brotherly, you trample the peace I bring you. Ok.
I have heard all of your comments all over the place and never criticize them, even though you make a lot of statements that people are saying and they are not. You have told me several times, "The God made them sin" I never said that. You told Donna "about those who were gassed in the ovens in ww2" and she never said that. There is many other comments you make that you suggest we said, just to prove your points that we never said. So before you accuse others, take a look in the mirror.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/10


Mark ... Thanks for your response, but it says nothing.

Over those two years, (no it is longer than that) you have put forward your predestination beliefs admirably. I admire you for that.

But, when someone such a me queries or disagrees, you then resort to misrepresentation, and you ascribe false motives.

Four of your "misrepresentaions" (others would use a stronger wotd) are exposed in my post of 11/30

In other words ... you are dishonest.

And when this is pointed out to you you either ignore that competely, or get angry and accuse me and others of attacking you.
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/10/10




kathr4455----
Since God chooses more people to go to hell, it stands to reason that He is logically more glorified by people being damned than people being saved.

What sort of "logic" leads you to that conclusion? How many people does God need to bring Himself glory? Will 5 out of a hundred be enough? Or does He need a higher percentage?

ALL glory already belongs to Him!

Psa 113:4 The LORD is high above all nations, and his glory above the heavens.

Job discovered that human reason is no match for God's.
---Donna66 on 12/10/10


// I want to keep you as my brother Alan. // --- MarkV

Ok maybe I took this the wrong way but...

Who gave you the right to keep or deny another Christian as your brother?

Are you suggesting that someone is not your brother in Christ because they belong to a different denomination?

When did agreeing with each others doctrine become more important than having a common faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?
---JackB on 12/10/10


Since God chooses more people to go to hell, it stands to reason that He is logically more glorified by people being damned than people being saved

And since God has more glory in damnation than salvation, and since God's glory must always be maximized, the clear conclusion must be that not only are most people damned, but ALL people are predestinyated to be eternally damned, otherwise God would end up having less glory!!
---kathr4453 on 12/10/10


Char, great advice. I believe many a time people want to give the enemy a chance to just walk in. Especially when we are talking about God. It is not about him (the devil) but he wants to make it about him. I love my brothers and sisters. Always have and always will. Thanks and blessings and peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/10


As a child-did your parent every leave somewhere for moment only to return to the arguments of the children.

The truth clarifies.
We stay humbled for it.
Not one of us know all truth and can place ourselve in the position to judge-regardless.

Phil 2---find the agreement.
Don't give the devil a place.
---char on 12/7/10


Alan, I will answer directly to you. I want to keep you as my brother Alan. And in order to do that, I have to not discuss things directly to you. I have had two years of experience what happens when you and I discuss anything. I permit to hear what you have to say about me and my motives and how I am judgmental, and I do my best to not respond in order that you won't get angry and we can keep the peace. I am very happy with my faith in Christ Jesus, and I don't want to get to the point that I have to use Matt. 7:6 on you. Ever. You should accept the peace I give you. You said you were my brother, so please take my peace and don't become my enemy.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/10


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Kathr says,

"alan the anger comes from within a dark soul. They can't see what others see."

She has the second sentence right but not the first. I don't see what she sees, that is for sure. I don't feel what she feels or think like she thinks either. I can guess, but I don't know for sure. What I do know is, I cannot make her change, and cannot make her think like me are feel what I feel. Only God can do that. I have no power whatsoever of my own, only the power of Christ who lives in me. And when I speak the Truth of Scripture and give it, it is up to God to do what He intends to do with it. My heart and soul are at peace with my Lord and Savior Jesus. Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/10


alan the anger comes from within a dark soul. They can't see what others see.

But to be angry because one is accused of controlling God is really strange. God is not angry. God is longsuffering, patient and kind.

This anger is not of God. Maybe they think it is a righteous anger. It is not, it is a self-righteous anger.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/10


Mark ... OK Mark, you are not angry, so it must be something else that drives you to be so judgmental of others, to dream up what motives they have when they disagree with you and to twist and distort and even turn on its head what they have posted (I have exposed tow of those twistings in my last post, and you have no answer).

What is it that makes you refuse to converse with some of us, .... if it is not anger, maybe it is uncetainty about your own position.
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/1/10


I'm hardly ever angry at anything. To me Monday's is as good as Friday's. No one here angers me. I love the life God has given me in Christ, and rejoice that God has given me the time and the ability to study His Word. And so I thank Him in everything. I don't take credit for anything. I humble myself before Him. For without Him I can do nothing. For all good things come from above. Even the faith that I have in Jesus Christ my Savior. I don't take credit for my salvation or for that matter my spiritual life. From beginning to end it is all of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/1/10


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Mark ... ". And that is what angers everyone" All the anger is yours Mark

"They do not want God interfering with their lives" He does not

"Even when they say they are saved, they don't want God to Rule them. They want to determine their own lives" That is opposite to what we say. Why do you so determinidly misrepresent what we say?

"One where they rule not God". NO NO NO ... No one has ever said that
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/30/10


Believers reigning on the earth as kings and priests unto God is God's idea. Revelation5:9,10
---Samuel on 11/30/10


No one is leading people away from Jesus Christ. All people who are lost are already condemned. No one has to lead them anywhere, they are already heading to hell. No one can change a heart but God. No one can change his own sinful nature or give himself ears to hear, or eyes to see, or a heart to perceive. Only God can do that. And that is what angers everyone. They do not want God interfering with their lives. Even when they say they are saved, they don't want God to Rule them. They want to determine their own lives. What a mockery of their salvation. One where they rule not God.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/10


Words of wisdom. Ill definately take your advice. Ty leej
---JackB on 11/30/10


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He will come again when he pleases. And he says, Nevertheless when I come, will I find faith on the earth?"
---Eloy on 11/30/10


JackB - when one encounters someone that bears false witness, the blow torch treatment really does not gain anything.

Suggest you start with what one agrees with and then gradually extend on the truth of the Scripture in order to enable them to see the truth. With that approach, you can slowly purge out the bad beliefs and replace them with the truth. Let's face it, sometimes the truth is too much for some to grasp at one time.
---leej on 11/29/10


I agree but its hard to be at peace with men who lead people away from Jesus Christ with a perverted gospel or limited grace and atonement.

Keep contending for the faith, Kathr, ginger, Linda, Alan, leej and whoever else is still fighting the good fight. Theres gonna be anger when you give the truth to someone who doesnt want it. The pharisees experienced so much anger they wanted the one who brought the truth to die.

I cant tell you how many lost people I know that believe they arent a Christian because God doesnt want them to be because some Hypercalvinist has already poisoned their soul. Its absolutely heart-breaking.
---JackB on 11/29/10


//Beware of teh JW's and CAlvinists who want tp pre-qualify if you are one of the elect 144,000. I see no difference between their approach!
---kathr4453 on 11/29/10
//

I dont either. The only difference is the numbers :P
---JackB on 11/29/10


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//--This is an argument between MarkV and kathr4453 that has become way too personal and vindictive for me.

Totally agree and it should stop as what is posted really does not benefit anyone on this forum.

Ro 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
---leej on 11/29/10


Pr 21:19 It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

Pr 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire, so is a contentious man to kindle strife.

Pr 27:15 A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.
---leej on 11/29/10


SLE -- I'm sure you would, but don't hold your breath. This debate is all about Kathr4453 and MarkV, not a search for doctrinal clarity.
---Donna66 on 11/29/10


Hello sister Donna66, I believe you are right. I had not close my responses to Kathr for the simple purpose that it gave me and others the reason to respond concerning the Sovereignty of God, but so many slanderous remarks have been said without explaining Scripture that is given to her. I believe enough is enough. The Truth is trampled and change to a lie. It has gone on for over two years. I was hoping the New Year would bring a change in her, but she is just the same as before. So I will close answering her questions and her remarks towards me, and will answer on the question posted above. Thank you very much sister and blessings to you.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/10


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Agreed Donna. The verbal missives between brother Mark and sister Kathr have nothing to do with the question other than a suggestion that when he does return he may interrupt their arguing. Can you imagine the shame of that moment. Strange behavior for his children that should be loving, living and dying for each other.
---larry on 11/29/10


I agree Donna. However a statement was made by Mark that is inconsistent with Scripture re: eternal life and knowing God. When that inconsistency was mentioned, false accusations were made. I would just like an explanation rather than an accusation.
---SLE on 11/29/10


shelle--This is an argument between MarkV and kathr4453 that has become way too personal and vindictive for me! It's been going on for years between these two. In fact, I think it is animosity that seems to fuel it, not just the desire to discuss a doctrinal question.

Even if it wasn't, this issue of "predestination" vs. "free will" has never yet been settled by anyone.
---Donna66 on 11/29/10


Kathr, I am now sorry you have to resort to changing your name to support yourself. I know that there is no new person name shelle. I guess if you make another name you think we cannot tell it is you, but the writing is on the walls.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/10


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//Sorry you did not beg for mercy, because that tells me you had no remorse of what you had done towards God. That is why you didn't beg for God to forgive you. I now understand why all this time you have been arguing. You are still a Jew. ---Mark_V. on 11/29/1

Hmmmmmm. Sounds like you are putting an awful lot of emphasis (and faith) in the work of begging. If you were predestined (and therefore seed), you shouldn't have had to beg. David says, "I have never seen the righteous foraken, nor His seed begging bread." You say you are the elect and God saved you apart from anything you chose or did. Did He overlook the fact that you would need forgiveness and require you to beg for it? Begging is a work. Ask any beggar.
---Shelle on 11/29/10


//Kathr, you say I am jealous. No Kathr, I am sorry you do not understand. Sorry that you have all that hate within you. Sorry that you are one of those who tramples the Truth when Scripture is given to you. Sorry that you believe you could come to Christ and commit your life to Him without faith or repentance. Sorry you did not beg for mercy, because that tells me you had no remorse of what you had done towards God. That is why you didn't beg for God to forgive you. I now understand why all this time you have been arguing. You are still a Jew. ---Mark_V. on 11/29/10//

There sure is a lot of passive-aggression here. I am surprised Donna, Mark's supporter and resident psychologist, hasn't said something.
---Shelle on 11/29/10


Markv your lying again. where did I ever say I committed my life with our first having faith and repenting.

You see folks how absolutely DANGEROUS these ravenous wolves are that sneak into your churches and wreck havoc with God's Flock. Calvinists are church wreckers, attacking people just as MarkV attacks me. He' is attacking my salvation all over these blogs. This is what they do to those who will not Knuckle UNDER their abusive conversion tactics.
---kathr4453 on 11/29/10


Jesus' second coming can be divided into two events. The first event this when Jesus returns in the clouds(at which time he does not touch down on Earth) and with a shout raptures out all born-again Christians. Then the second part comes when Jesus returns during the Battle of Armageddon to Jerusalem then to judge the nations of the earth and to set up his millennial kingdom. I'm living under the expectation of events taking place within the next 20 years.
---mima on 11/29/10


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MARK 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree, When her branches is yet tender,and putteth forth leaves. ye know summer near.
( This verse is said to be Israel becoming a state again in 1948 - The fig tree represents Israel - putteth forth leaves being a state again. Christ cursed the fig tree - MARK 12:12 - 21 so if would not have fruit.

MARK 13:29 ----------- these things come to pass.know that it is nigh.even at the doors. ( CHRIST coming is close)

MARK 13:30 VERILY I say unto you that a generation shall not pass.till all thing be done ( were on sixty three years )
---RICHARD on 11/28/10


Kathr, you say I am jealous. No Kathr, I am sorry you do not understand. Sorry that you have all that hate within you. Sorry that you are one of those who tramples the Truth when Scripture is given to you. Sorry that you believe you could come to Christ and commit your life to Him without faith or repentance. Sorry you did not beg for mercy, because that tells me you had no remorse of what you had done towards God. That is why you didn't beg for God to forgive you. I now understand why all this time you have been arguing. You are still a Jew.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/10


The preaching of the GOSPEL is the Power of God unto salvation.

And it is GOD who justifies the ungodly.

One must be in their UNGODLY state before God can Justify you.

Your JUSTIFICATION is based solely on you, an ungodly sinner, hearing the Gospel, and placing your faith In God who sent His son to die for your ungodly sin.

Your salvation is between you and God, and MarkV wasn't there when it happened.

Beware of teh JW's and CAlvinists who want tp pre-qualify if you are one of the elect 144,000. I see no difference between their approach!

---kathr4453 on 11/29/10


MarkV, I received God's MERCY, I never begged for it. Mercy is salvation, forgivness. I didn't have to "BEG" God to forgive me, anymore than I had to beg God to save me. Did you not believe you were included in Christ's death and sacrifice for your sin? Obviously not if you had to beg God thereby working for your salvation???
Or were you afraid you were not chosen and begged God to be the ones He only has mercy on??? according to your doctrine, you may not today be the one God had mercy on...the elect. and because of your doubt, hurrass those who have conficence in Christ...That's it isn't it markv...you are JEALOUS of those who have conficence in Christ and want to tear away at their confidence.

I've got your number!
---kathr4453 on 11/28/10


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It seems that no matter what the blog question is, it eventually comes back to what SDA's believe, or what E G WHITE wrote.

There are some none SDA's in here who know more about what E G White wrote than what is actually written in the bible.


As a SDA let me answer this question:

Revelation 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
---francis on 11/28/10


When you see and hear all the TV prophecy yahoos declare his coming is just around the corner be assured its not then.
These charlatans love scare those ignorant of scripture into credit card donations to prophecy ministries as they push dry foods and other bunker and basement nonsense.

The truth is the sense of urgency is no more or less than it was at the time of the disciples. There is ALWAYS a sense of urgency in spreading the gospel and our behavior should be no different if we knew the date was tomorrow or 50-years from now.

We have some clues like the rebuilding of Temple Mount but nothing close to a date.
---larry on 11/28/10


>All SDA's believe in Ellen White writings.

Nope. In fact, elders will get up in church and in their sermon will pointedly note that most do not read (and hence couldn't possible believe "in") EGW's writings. When our family was brought into the church we were told NOT to put her on a pedestal. Her writings are more homelitical in nature, designed to lead people to Christ.
---David_Conklin on 11/28/10


>Some use mathematical calculations based upon certain historical events and the Bible to predict the second coming. If you know anything about the history of the JWs, the SDAs and others, they all have developed some sort of mathematical formula for their predictions - the SDAs in 1844 and the JWs in 1844.

The SDA's arose out of the 1844 movement and weren't a church till 1863. So, they did NOT predict that Christ would come in 1844. The Millerities who did make that prediction (late in 1843 or so) did so along with over 2,000 pastors and Bible teachers from across denominational lines and both here and in Europe and to a lesser extent S. America. The dating was based on the prophecies of Daniel.
---David_Conklin on 11/28/10


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Kathr, again you are wrong. All SDA's believe in Ellen White writings. I know because I have all of her writings, and it is what is taught. I'm not saying anyone of them is lost for I do not know the heart as you seem to. I only read what they write and what she wrote. You don't know one idoa of Calvinism. You don't even know about the Jews and claim to be one. You have the message of the Cross wrong because you committed your life to Christ under false pretenses. You never had faith or repentance before, but expected to get them after your commitment. You were dead and so you must still be dead. Dead people don't talk to Christ, they have to be alive to Christ to talk to Him and commit their lives to Him.
---Mark_V. on 11/28/10


I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

For as the Father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself,

All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father, and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see!

Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
---TheSeg on 11/27/10


and OH leej, I don't believe Jezebel was trying to bring anyone back under the LAW.
---kathr4453 on 11/27/10


Leej, Revelation letters are to us today as well. Not only legalists, but Gnostics as well. The Nicholatians(sp) were NOT legalists either.
---kathr4453 on 11/27/10


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//When we read teh letters in Revelation, we see there were enemies WITHIN the church.

They snuck in unaware! BEWARE!
-----
Paul speaks of those in the Jerusalem church who were the legalists - who insisted upon circumcision of Gentile converts as well as Sabbath observances.

Ga 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

And they were really not a part of the church.

1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: ...
---leej on 11/26/10


When we read teh letters in Revelation, we see there were enemies WITHIN the church.

They snuck in unaware! BEWARE!

However SDA, Mormons, JW, RCC, Scientologists, etc, are not those enemies WITHIN the Church...they don't even grace our church doors. And for the most part, many listed above would never come to worship with US on Sunday.

But then we have Calvinism, an emeny of the church, those sneaking in unaware wrecking havoc with God's flock, causing church splits, and telling many they are NOT saved when they are..running rufshod over everyone.

DON't Let them IN!!!






---kathr4453 on 11/26/10


So MarkV, does that mean I should stop fighting YOU!!

Hummm, so you admit you are the enemy of the church?

I wasn't talking to you markV, but reminding leej of his own words to me..."there are different degrees of Calvinists, all believing different things, therefore don't lump them all in the same category."

Well, the same might be said to leej, I don't believe ALL SDA's worship Ellen White anymore than all calvinists worship John Calvin. But if they do...then calvinists are as guilty as SDA's.

Every blog with leej response is make comments about Mormon, SDA when they are not even the subject of the conversation.


Judge not lest ye be judged.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/10


Very soon. Jesus says: "And when you all will see Jerusalem surrounded with armies, and see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place: for then will be tribulation. As the days of Noah when the flood came, and the day Lot left Sodom and it rained fire and brimstone destroying all, so also will it be in the day when the Son of man comes. In the world you all will have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. And except those days should be shortened, there would no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened."
---Eloy on 11/25/10


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//Pride is not of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 11/25/10
//

How ironic that such a thing should come from your lips/fingertips.
---JackB on 11/25/10


//We spend so much time fighting the ememy we lose touch with HIM in our own lives."

Someone once stated "we have met the enemy, and it is us".

James reminds us- "From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?"

And the problem as I see it is that when we disagree with each other, we are quick to put labels on others but the label may only reflect one viewpoint.
---leej on 11/25/10


Kathr, why do you have to say the things you say to people? you told Leej'
"I'm not trying to get on your case here, however, we are reminded to return to our first Love, and that of Jesus Christ." He never said he had left his first love. You put yourself in the company of Christ and him outside the company of Christ.

"We spend so much time fighting the ememy we lose touch with HIM in our own lives." which is really what you do. You are fighting the enemy so much you do lose touch with Jesus in your own life. I believe pride has accompanied you. Let it go, start walking in the Spirit for a change. Pride is not of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 11/25/10


ISAIAH 61:2 TO proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,and the day of vengence of our GOD: to comfort all that mourn.

1 THESSALONIANS 5:4 But ye bethren ARE NOT in darkness THAT THAT DAY should overtake you as a thief.

LUKE 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be over charge with with surfering and drunkenness,and cares of this life, AND SO THAT DAY come upon you unawares.
---RICHARD on 11/24/10


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Kathr4453//I didn't see JW's in the question.

The thread here is when will the son of man arrive?

Some use mathematical calculations based upon certain historical events and the Bible to predict the second coming. If you know anything about the history of the JWs, the SDAs and others, they all have developed some sort of mathematical formula for their predictions - the SDAs in 1844 and the JWs in 1844.

Sorry but I went back to the thread question.
---leej on 11/23/10


Maybe some fundamentalist will explain,for my edification, While you're waiting for Christ's return...."omnipresent"
---1st_cliff on 11/23/10


Avon, no one knows when the Son of Man will arrive. You know that is a TITLE of Jesus Christ. Matthew, Revelation, Zechariah all tell us it will occur after the Great tribulation.

One other thing, the Rapture is not called the 2nd coming. Jesus certainly is coming for His Bride,and we will meet Him in the clouds, but when the Son of Man comes, you will see in Zechariah 12-14 He is going to come and stand upon the Mount of Olives, and set up His Earthly Kingdom Reign for 1000 years.

So it will be either 3 1/2 years after the church is removed, or 7 depending on your understanding of end times.
---kathr4453 on 11/19/10


leej, I guess your answer here means you don't know the answer. I didn't see JW's in the question.

You've become so consumed with what JW's believe, you have failed to study and pray for what YOU believe.

I'm not trying to get on your case here, however, we are reminded to return to our first Love, and that of Jesus Christ.

We spend so much time fighting the ememy we lose touch with HIM in our own lives.

Bankers don't study counterfeit bills to know a counterfeit bill. They study the real thing over and over and over, and by that know a counterfeit when it appears.


---kathr4453 on 11/18/10


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When will the Son of Man arrive?

According to Jehovah's Witnesses He already came back in 1914 but after looking around decided that He did not like what He saw, so He commissioned the Jehovah's Witnesses to establish His church here on earth.

One group based upon some mathematical calulations predicted His return to be in October 1844 but after that date created a story that Christ did not show up on earth but entered into the heavenly temple to judge which Christians would merit eternal life by obedience to the 10 Commandments, esp. the Sabbath.

Every day should be viewed as a gift from God as we do not know the hour or day of our own death.
---leej on 11/18/10


When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower, and so it is!

And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, there will be heat, and it cometh to pass!

Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth, but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

I tell thee, thou shalt not depart thence, till thou hast paid the very last mite.

Verily I say unto you, that there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together!
God Bless!
---TheSeg on 11/18/10


I thought that fundamentalists believe that Christ (being God) is "omnipresent" which really means He never actually left????
What's to "come back" when you're already here???
Some of these beliefs come back to bite you!
---1st_cliff on 11/18/10


\\I hope you are saved. Hallelujah+
---catherine on 11/18/10
\\

And we hope you'll be, too, catherine.
---Cluny on 11/18/10


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When will the "Son of Man" arrive? I do not know. But, He's a coming. Rest assured, He is coming. I hope you are saved. Hallelujah+
---catherine on 11/18/10


Matthew 24
36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
37 "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
42 "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

2 Peter 3
10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
11 "Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,"
---christan on 11/18/10


I've read the following literature:

88 reasons why Jesus will return in 1988

Jesus will return to prevent the Y2K catastrophe

War In The Gulf: A Clear Sign That Jesus Will Return


And Jesus Christ didn't return. Why not?

I believe that it is because the TIME just hasn't come for Jesus to return yet. As another blogger mentioned, only GOD the Father knows the exact TIME of Jesus' return to Earth.

I've learned that there are many things about: GOD, his TIMINGs, and his reasons for world events, that I don't understand.

We just need to wait on GOD and believe that HIS timing is perfect in all events.
---Sag on 11/18/10


Look back in recent history how God has worked powerfully in years of Jubilee. Now look ahead, on the horizon is 2017, another such sabbatical year. That's all I'll say.
---Pharisee on 11/18/10


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When the Father sends Him after the Tribulation, and not before.

Jesus Himself said so.
---Cluny on 11/17/10


The Lord will return when his Father tells him to return.
Not before.
Not after.
It will only be known of the Father.
It would be better to spend our time making sure we are right with God than thinking about when the Lord will return.
---Frank on 11/18/10


When he gets here..lol.

NO ONE KNOWS THE HOUR OR THE DAY, NOT EVEN THE SON - ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS - that's in scripture.

Jesus did say, "when you see the signs, know that the end is near" and he gives signs of His coming in Matthew 24.
---Donna5535 on 11/18/10


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