Legends, I enjoy debating with you because you come out with somethings that are off the wall and it gives me the reason to look up many passages and to keep studying. I also wanted to wish you a very Happy New Year and may the peace of God be with you and family always.
---Mark_V. on 12/31/10|
Adam blamed God and the woman that God gave him.
---Tonne on 12/27/10|
Both statements are correct. Eve was first to sin. Her information not to sin had come from Adam and when she went to Adam after sinning we find Adam guilty of sinning also. Remember there was only one woman in the world and of course Adam was reluctant to give her up through death.
---mima on 12/27/10|
By Jove, I think you've got it! Example of Jesus in the wilderness is on point. Deception follows lack of identity.
First and foremost is IDENTITY. Afterwards comes doing/not doing.
-Jesus didn't bow at satan's bidding because, first and foremost, He knew His identity.
-Abraham came before Moses because God gave identity BEFORE commandment. Israel's identity was Israel BEFORE the rebellion in the wilderness.
The woman should have been told that she was Eve before their rebellion, disobeying the commandment not to eat!
Mark, sorry for no specific references in those last blogs. I trust that past references on the same topic will serve that purpose. It's a general Biblical study on names and covenants. Love ya sir!!!
---Legends on 12/7/10|
Jesus, immediately after being baptized and hearing, "You are my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" was led of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. The first words of the adversary were, "If thou be the Son of God" followed with do this or do that. The temptation began with a reference to identity and the opportunity to doubt what God said.
---Linda on 12/5/10|
Legends, while you might be right on all you have said, you gave no passages to confirm what you say. I did not read one of them on any one of the points. At least show by demonstration. You say the name has to be important and while they are in some cases they are not in others. The reason Jacob's name was change, was because God wanted to change it. There is no rules for God. He changed a lot of peoples names. And how about the Angel of the Lord, He was not given a name by the Father. We can conclude it was Christ, but only because we know He was God. I like what you say, but I would prefer Scripture to be sure. I know and believe that things were ordained and each thing would come to pass at the time God appointed it.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/10|
Mark, This was the 1st marriage. Names are everything in covenant exchange. Identity, utmost importance. The Bible teaches that names are directly linked to calling.
Noah,Abraham,Sarah,Laben,Moses,Joshua,Don't call me Naomi/Mara,Malachi,Jesus,Peter,etc.
Throughout the Bible, names convey authority/character. Thus the problem with no name for the woman. It's still a problem to this very day. The male neglected to convey to her the authority and character that God intended him to tell her she had through the simple act of giving her an EQUAL name in her role as co-life giver to all humanity aka Eve or Zoe.
No knowledge of your name means no knowledge of your rights, authority and character. Deception always follows a lack of knowledge.
---Legends on 12/4/10|
Legends, I see it. That was great. Since the beginning of time, name denoted nature and was the first prophetic utteraance over a child. Often there are Scriptures that say things like, "And his name was called _____________ because __________" Jacob (deceiver) wrestled with the angel to be blessed and his name (nature, destiny) was changed to Israel. Names were so important in regards to identity that God revealed His name by what He did.
---Linda on 12/4/10|
Tying my previous blog to 1Tim 2:14 and the rest of 1Tim: The epistle is about those in authority over others, specifically teachers. Although they were equal, Adam was in authority over his wife in the role of teacher because of creation order.
Adam did a horrible initial job of teaching his wife her character and authority which opened the door for the viper/serpent to enter the garden. Jesus called bad teachers "a brood of vipers". Teaching proper identity guards those under your teaching authority from the attack of deception.
Paul was stressing to Timothy that Eve was 1st deceived not Adam because Eve wasn't the one doing the teaching first. Adam was formed first. Adam did the first teaching from the beginning!
---Legends on 12/4/10|
Lengends, thanks for receiving my humor. Again I never even thought about Adam not giving her a name before the deception. But what has that have to do with anything? How can not giving her a name lead her to be deceived? Not having a name doesn't make deception better. The serpent only had two people to choose from and chose Eve. It was not like there was many others that we are not told of but two. Being in authority only made Adam responsible for the whole human race. And you said she was the first to be deceived, the first of whom? women? the first before Adam? Adam was not deceived. I think you are putting to much on something not there.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/10|
The slight humor as well as the serious disagreement are both accepted humbly.
Check again. My exposition fully agrees with you. Eve was deceived. I also stated that she was the first to be deceived.
What's overlooked by the traditional reading is the fact that she wasn't identified as Eve by Adam until after her encounter with the serpent was over. Mark, mankind's knowledge of of his/her pre-ordained, God-given identification is his defense against deception.
A person in authority, as Adam was in this case, who knowingly or unknowingly withholds information concerning identity has set up those persons under his authority to be deceived.
After smoking whatever I smoked(LOL), that's what I perceived first went wrong.
---Legends on 12/3/10|
Legends, with a little humor, what are you smoking? I have never heard such an exposition of Adam and Eve. Sorry that I don't agree with you. Eve was deceived by the serpent, Adam was not deceived, he knowingly transgressed against God without deception.
Eve decided that the serpent was telling the truth and she had misunderstood God, but she didn't know what she was doing. It was not over rebellion against God, but seduction and deception to make her believe her act was the right thing to do. (v.13). The New Testament confirms that Eve was deceived (2 Cor. 11:3, 1 Tim. 2:14, Rev. 12:9). Adam ate, a direct transgression without deception (1 Tim. 1:13,14).
---Mark_V. on 12/3/10|
Read your own correct quotations of scripture.
The Bible states that Eve was "deceived" first and was found in the transgression. It does not say she sinned first. Read it and see.
The Bible does not say the serpent sinned first either. The deceptive words came from Adam's mouth first. Adam 1st ate and then offered. NOT EVE! Adam offered the word WOMAN to the "woman". Immediately after Adam's name was offered to her, the serpent came... ONE VERSE LATER.
Later Adam offered the word EVE to his wife. Immediately after that a lamb was offered to cover.
It's easy to see other's sins and not our own. The origin of sin was Adam's deception, not the WOMAN!
---Legends on 12/2/10|
In Romans Paul uses the name "Adam" to represent all mankind. (ex: sin entered the world by the "first Adam" and was made reversible by the "last Adam")
Ist Timothy is more specific.
It names Eve as the first person who was deceived. But both transgressed.
Some people (men usually) try to make something very significant out of the fact that EVE sinned first. I don't see it as that important. Both sinned, and it is foolish to believe that Adam would not have disobeyed God if Eve hadn't done it first. Both sinned and were given a penalty. Adam, earning his bread by the sweat of his brow. Eve, multiplied pain in childbirth.
The eternal wages of sin is the same for both.
---Donna66 on 12/1/10|
Strongaxe, you are so right brother, in the faith there is always that possibility that a person can go to far to the left or too far to the right or not far enough many times. The same holds for the Scriptures. Some do refuse to listen because they say the Spirit told them, so they don't have to read the Word of God. But they forget the Spirit speaks to us through His Word. They want to make the connection as spiritual only, like hearing a voice which deviates from the Bible. I have heard many of those. They heard the voice while in the toilet, or in a dream, because some take the gifts way to serious. If they read the Word they will hear God speaking to them.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/10|
Very good point!
(On the other hand, unfortunately, there are those who take this to the extreme, and think that since the Holy Spirit will reveal all truth to them, they can dispense with the Bible altogether, or ignore the Bible when it conflicts with what the voices in their heads (that they believe are the Spirit) tell them).
---StrongAxe on 11/30/10|
Hi, I love your post Larry. So many "Christian" men have made me feel inferior and I am deeply touched by your post.
---Mary on 11/29/10|
both sinned but Adam was ultimately responsible for the seed of sin because man is the progenitor.
If men really understood the weight of their holy mission to society and their familieis they would collaspe in humble reverence before God.
Its not an issue of gender importance or relevence but Godly order.
---larry on 11/29/10|
Christian, so very true. All the knowledge does no good if the Spirit is not giving us that knowledge or revelation of the Truth to us. The main question then is, "does the person have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?" If they do, it does not matter how much Hebrew, Greek, etc, they don't know, because the Spirit will reveal it to them.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/10|
RitaH, First the serpent sinned, then he talked the woman into sinning, and finally the woman gave sin to the man.
---Eloy on 11/29/10|
It does not matter one iota whether the Scripture is in Greek, Hebrew, Japanese, Chinese, Latin or Spanish. What really matters to the Christian is that the Holy Spirit indwells in him to teach and guide him. As Christ tells His Christian people,
John 16:13,14 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."
The question is, are you really born of the Spirit? If you are, He will never ever lie to you.
---christan on 11/29/10|
And you continue to ignore legitimate comments, and instead stoop to personal attacks.
You also said: I could easily poll each Christian church in the city where I live, and consolidate the numbers and disclose the fact that the number is much higher than 1%. I think that 1% may be a more accurate number among the nonChristians, but not among the Christians.
I could indicates you have not actually one do so, and I think indicates that your conclusion is merely a conjecture of what might happen, not proof of what actually happened (which is necessary for accusations to be made). Thus, your pulling numbers out of the air while criticizing me for doing the same is the pot calling the kettle black.
---StrongAxe on 11/29/10|
It is true that Eve was the first transgressor, but it was because of Adam's sin that sin and death entered into the human race. You see, Adam was established by God to be the federal head of all human beings. Eve was not. Therefor, if only Eve had sinned then only she would have been cursed with sin and death. But since Adam was the head of all mankind, his sin brought the curse of sin and death into all mankind.
---Jed on 11/28/10|
strongax, you continual to speak falsehood because there is no light in you.
---Eloy on 11/28/10|
You keep choking on the gnat (i.e. the exact number in the statistic), while ignoring the camel (i.e. that THE MAJORITY of Christians do NOT know Hebrew and Greek, and even if they do, they haven't read the Bible from cover to cover in the original languages, so they rely on translations (inaccurate commentaries) for MOST of their Biblical understanding.
Based on doctrinal ignorance and confusion that one sees among Christians today (and even on these blogs), it's quite clear a large number of Christians haven't even read the Bible through in English even once, and rely on their own pastors' inaccurate interpretations of their own denominations' inaccurate interpretations of those inaccurate translations.
---StrongAxe on 11/27/10|
strongax, your fabricated statistic can be proven false by simply taking a poll among Christians, by visiting each Christian church and asking how many of their members study Hebrew and Greek. And with confidence I would say that of all the Christian bodies polled, it is much higher than just 1%, and your 1% is falsehood and not even close to a hyperbole to refect the truth.
---Eloy on 11/27/10|
\\ it means more than half of them rely only on "commentaries" - and my argument still stands.
---StrongAxe on 11/26/10\\
Some contemporary Christians bemoan the numerous translations of the Bible available today.
St. Augustine rejoiced in it, saying the various translations commented upon each other.
---Cluny on 11/27/10|
When a soul says that only 1% of Christians are Hebrew and Greek scholars, that is not a valid argument, but a obvious falsehood. I could easily poll each Christian church in the city where I live, and consolidate the numbers and disclose the fact that the number is much higher than 1%. I think that 1% may be a more accurate number among the nonChristians, but not among the Christians.
---Eloy on 11/27/10|
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Perhaps I pulled a number out of thin air without attribution for the purpose of hyperbole. However, your For I personally know that more than 1% of Christians today study the Hebrew and the Greek is also without attribution. Unless you can PROVE this statistic, your accusation of you lie is unsubstantiated.
Even among those who DO study this (or anything else), few are true experts. It's unlikely most have read both testaments from cover to cover in their original languages, and totally ignoring the actual number - if even many Christians (let alone more than 50%) are not Hebrew or Greek scholars, it means more than half of them rely only on "commentaries" - and my argument still stands.
---StrongAxe on 11/26/10|
Some ancient Christian writers have opined that Matthew was originally written in either Hebrew or Aramaic.
It's not something I lose any sleep over.
---Cluny on 11/26/10|
strongax, You lie in saying that "since 99% of Christians in the world are not Hebrew or Greek scholars", where do you get this untrue number about Christians? For I personally know that more than 1% of Christians today study the Hebrew and the Greek because they have a desire to know the original words of scripture, and especially those Christian leaders whom teach and preach the Word to others desire to do so accurately.
---Eloy on 11/26/10|
JackB, We have copies of the original scriptures available today, for God would not let mankind abide in the darkness but he preserves his word to teach to the future generations, even as he commanded. The best O.T. manuscript is the Aleppo Codex, and the best N.T. manuscripts are the Constantinopolitan MSS.
---Eloy on 11/26/10|
Since 99% of Christians in the world are not Hebrew or Greek scholars, it means that so-called "inaccurate translations" is the closest any of them will ever get to the Word of God.
The New Testament was written entirely in Greek, even though the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. Jesus and the Apostles quoted it substantially, yet had no problem that the Greek was itself an "inaccurate translation" of the Hebrew.
Why? Because although spellings, pronunciations, and minor grammatical or spelling or word differences, or even nuances of word meanings did NOT change the substantive meanings of the Word.
If we make too much of a deal of this, we choke on gnats while swallowing camels.
---StrongAxe on 11/25/10|
//But the genuine word of God is only the words accurately translated from the original tongues. period.
---Eloy on 11/25/10
I would definately have to agree with that. The problem is tracing the very first words from over 4000 years ago. Man has a tendency to change things that he doesnt like about the Bible.
Its think its pretty obvious that God knew there was a possibility that men would twist his words thats why he warned us not to do it.
But then again if man does change it , that would simply be the "sovereign will of God" to some here *rolls eyes*
---JackB on 11/26/10|
---Donna5535 on 11/19/10
Male and female created He them,
and blessed them,
and called their name Adam,
in the day when they were created.
---SuzieH on 11/26/10|
\\Wherefore as the Holy Ghost says, Today if you all will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness.\\
That's precisely why I don't listen to you, Eloy.
You don't give the word of God.
---Cluny on 11/26/10|
Both: "For this reason shall a man leave his mother and father and cling to his wife, and the two shall become one." (Genesis) "And God called them Adam.." Eve was decieved and Adam, who recieved the commandment not to eat of the tree straight from God Himself, did eat. Did disobey. They both ended up becoming something they were never intended to be,....."sinners."
---Minister_Tamara on 11/26/10|
//No inaccurate nor imprecise English rendition is the Word of God, no, not quite, for every inaccurate translation of scripture is merely a Commentary on his word:
But is it not a problem in selecting which Greek or Hebrew compilation you will use?
For instance the UBS Greek has some differences to that of Nestle-Aland.
And there are differences in Hebrew compiliations as well.
---leej on 11/26/10|
No inaccurate nor imprecise English rendition is the Word of God, no, not quite, for every inaccurate translation of scripture is merely a Commentary on his word: But the genuine word of God is only the words accurately translated from the original tongues. period.
---Eloy on 11/25/10|
Elder, I preach the truth always: some souls accept this, and some do not: that is the way of life. For two were hanging on the cross, one was taken and the other was left. Two will be in the field, the one will be taken and the other left. Two grinding at the mill, the one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you all know not what hour your Lord does come. Wherefore as the Holy Ghost says, Today if you all will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness.
---Eloy on 11/25/10|
Eloy, you told Christian that he was not prepared to accept your preaching. That is the nicest compliment I have ever seen you give to anyone. Keep on encouraging us to do the right thing.
---Elder on 11/25/10|
Rita, When you study these passages according to the original tongues in which they were written you will find perfect symmetry.
---Eloy on 11/25/10|
Eloy, you accuse me of not accepting the truth that you preach. Please tell me, "your truth that you preach" was that - "And Adam being "with" his wife does not mean she is in his sight nor in his immediate contact."
Yet the King James Version in Genesis 3:6 declares -
"...she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat."
I do not judge you for what you say but the very Word of God judges each and everyone of us by the very words we speak. All I know is what you have claimed to be truth is in contrary to the Bible. "Your truth" does not mean the same as declared in the Bible.
---christan on 11/25/10|
Christian, You are not prepared to accept the truth I preach. In fact Christ my God has personally delivered me and changed me and commands me to preach his precise words right here and right now on this site, and all whom receive his truth will become saved and blessed, and all whom diss this truth will be condemned. It makes no sense to think that a genuine sanctified and born-again Christian filled with the Holy Ghost and prophesies the truth from Christ and is personally sent by Christ, would purposely speak any thing anti-Christ at all and at any time to any creature, for that is just not possible. As for the study of Hebrew and Greek, this is up to every person if they so choose to do so.
---Eloy on 11/25/10|
The Torah (old testament) gives us the Heart and thinking of the Lord on this issue. In the book of Numbers the Lord instructed the Israelites to kill all the men and boys of Midian (to make the bloodline cease- without Midian men no children of Midian) and any woman who has lain with a Midian man. Other women were allowed to live and could become part of the Israelites through believing it the Lord etc. The issue here is the transference of spirit. It is the same principle when in proverbs, it is said that the man who sleeps with the harlot is one with the harlot.
---zara on 11/25/10|
Adam shared in Eve's sin and Eve shared in his sin. They were originally in one body, one spirit. (some say that Adam did not step up to the plate and ask the Lord for forgiveness or repent). Adam and Eve were one with God, they were made in His image. Their sin was that they did not want to submit to the Father, unlike Jesus the second Adam who was one with God and yet was a servant to the Lord.
---zara on 11/25/10|
You're right, RitaH. There's no way that both could be equally guilty, now is there?
\\well, some peoples use of hebrew and greek are questionable too.
---aka on 11/24/10\\
Don't forget--he can't even use English properly, either.
---Cluny on 11/25/10|
The man who brought sin into the world was "man" meaning human beings. isn't it strange how women can manipulate men. It didn't work with Joseph tho. There are a lot of good ladies who do NOT do this but there are many many who do.
---shira3877 on 11/25/10|
Gen 3:6 literally: "...and-she-ate and-she-gave even-to-her-husband with-her and-he-ate"
This does not say whether or not her husband was with her at the time that she ate nor not, so either you or christan could be right.
However, their eyes were not open until later (Gen 3:7) so she would have not yet had anything to repent of, since she didn't yet know what she had done was evil until after that. In fact, neither one of them could have had any notion of "doing wrong" since that knowledge came from the fruit.
Jesus took all our sins upon himself, so legally, instead of us being guilty of being liars, thieves, murderers, etc., Jesus is guilty of being all of those instead.
---StrongAxe on 11/25/10|
//It is amazing when you are cornered with Scripture that you throw a blanket or as one in the battlefield would say, throw a smoke bomb to try and confuse everyone with your Hebrew.//
well, some peoples use of hebrew and greek are questionable too.
---aka on 11/24/10|
Eloy, are you to tell me and everyone here in the blog needs to read and understand Hebrew or else our understanding of the Scripture written and translated in English is erroneous? Reading and writing in Hebrew or any other language outside of the English language is not going to save a person but rather the gift of faith from God through regeneration (born of the Holy Spirit) is.
It is amazing when you are cornered with Scripture that you throw a blanket or as one in the battlefield would say, throw a smoke bomb to try and confuse everyone with your Hebrew.
---christan on 11/24/10|
Eloy, your truth is truth to you only but that does not make your Truth, the real Truth of Scripture. Oh, you can say what you like, and condemn me again, but you are again wrong. You have put Christ down before when you said He never had to clean a toilet, or suffer what you suffered, but now you come out and tell everyone that He was literally a murderer. You bring shame to our Lord Eloy, not to me.
---Mark_V. on 11/24/10|
MarkV, The "stuff" as you misname it is the "Truth": and this Truth is outrageous to the lost, but precious to the saved.
---Eloy on 11/24/10|
Ritah, the passages do not contradict at all. Romans 5:12 is talking about how death came to all man, and it was through Adam, for he was not deceived as Eve was.
It is not talking about a particular sin, but the inherent propensity to sin entered the Human realm, men became sinners by nature. Adam passed to all his descendants the inherent sinful nature he possessed because of his first disobedience. Adam had no excuse for sinning.
In 1 Peter 2:14, it is explained again that Adam was not deceived, fell into transgression.
---Mark_V. on 11/24/10|
Eloy, again you come out with some outragious stuff. You tell me that Jesus literally became a murderer. Now this? What's up with you? Who is teaching you?
You now say that the word "With" means "nearby" is wrong reading of the word "with."
The word is "im" which could be an Adverb, or prep in conjuntion with veried applications. Spec, "Equally with" another meaning is "accompanying with" also could mean "beside," by reason of.
Also, Jesus literally never was a murderer or ever became a murderer.
---Mark_V. on 11/24/10|
That's funny, none of 'am' in those references were the same grammatical structure as Gen 3:6 but were all the same as each other.
Very poor cross referencing I would say.
---micha9344 on 11/23/10|
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eloy, just curious, no need for scorn please, but how does one qualify for your condemnation and scorn and the other does not when the two have the same POV?
---aka on 11/23/10|
Christian, The hebrew "amh" and "am", is a preposition which means, "nearby". And Adam being "with" his wife does not mean she is in his sight nor in his immediate contact. As in I Chron.13:14: "the ark of God remained with the family".
The same Hebrew word is found in Genesis 25:11- "...dwelt by the well", Judges 18:22- "...near to Micah's house",
Judges 19:11- "...nearby the city of Jebus."
lit.Hb: "And the woman saw, that it a good tree to eat of and a desire to the eyes and a desirous tree for to make one wise, and took of the fruit of it and ate, then brought to her husband also nearby her, and he ate. Gn.3:6
---Eloy on 11/23/10|
Eloy, I do not know what scripture you are referring to but the KJV declares in Genesis 3:6,
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat."
It says, "her husband with her" and not "Adam did not watch his wife when she first sinned by eating the forbidden fruit, that lie is not found anywhere in the holy scriptures." It seems that it is your own understanding that Adam was not there when Scripture clearly says so.
---christan on 11/23/10|
Eve was first in transgression, because she was the last one to be created....Now, God is the author of nature, not [MOTHER NATURE], but GOD. God made this the law of nature, that man should beget in his own likeness. Adam, man, a common receptacle. The whole nature of man reposited. Adam therefore sinning and falling, the nature became guilty and corrupt. Thank You Jesus for saving me from HELL....Why don't you all ask some tough questions! Ha. Lets let it go, I'm tired of fooling with it.
---catherine on 11/23/10|
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Christian, please accept the holy scriptures. Adam did not watch his wife when she first sinned by eating the forbidden fruit, that lie is not found anywhere in the holy scriptures. The woman was alone and listened to the serpent, knowing full-well not to touch nor to eat of the forbidden tree that God commanded her not to eat of, but she was tempted by the serpent that she was talking with and disobeyed God anyhow. Then instead of repenting as she ought to have done, she instead went to her husband and gave also to him of the forbidden fruit for him to sin also as she has done against God.
---Eloy on 11/23/10|
Both Adam and Eve sinned.
The law was first given to Adam before Eve was even created. "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:16,17)
Adam's duty as the husband was to teach his wife of God's command and the consequence to disobeying. Adam was also to protect his wife from the approach of the serpent. Adam simply stood by and watch the conversation between Eve and the serpent without intervening. Both committed the sin of disobedience.
Donna 5535 presented correctly the design of marriage in her reply.
---christan on 11/22/10|
Sin entered the world through one human, the woman. lit.Gk: "Because of this, as through one human that sin into the world entered, and through which sin the death, and so on individual humans the death passed, since which individuals failed." Romans 5:12.
---Eloy on 11/22/10|
Rita, Please accept the holy scripture. I know women wrongly try to blame the man for their own sin, and they lie saying that the woman was not told by God not to eat of the tree when in fact she was clearly told. The Bible clearly states that God told THE WOMAN not to eat of the tree: "And the woman said to the serpent, Of the fruit of the trees in the garden we may eat: But of the fruit of the tree, that in the middle of the garden, said God, see that you eat not, and see that you touch it not, else you die." Gn.3:2,3.
---Eloy on 11/21/10|
Paul, Timothy's apostolic AUTHORITY, established context for the epistle in the previous chapter when he writes:
"...supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men... THAT ARE IN AUTHORITY." 1st Tim 1:1-2
In Genesis, Adam was in authority not his wife. Later Paul teaches: "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man. For Adam was first formed, then Eve."
1Timothy doesn't contradict Romans! The epistle addresses:
1)Responsibilities of teaching unadulterated truth while exerting non-deceitful, loving authority.
2)Letting your submissive obedient actions do the talking for you as you quietly learn from and obey those in authority over you.
---Legends on 11/21/10|
The Authority, taught the woman her "Miss"identity in how and what Adam first named her.
BEFORE the serpent approached woman. BEFORE the eating off the tree, Adam left his wife uncovered from attack by not teaching his wife her equal role in creation as Lifegiver (Eve/Zoe/Animate). It's the higher name his wife should have been called from the beginning instead of the common fleshly identification placed upon her by simply calling her Woman.
Regarding the sin of eating off the tree, Jesus said food going in can NEVER defile any man. Vain words COMING OUT defile and incur judgement.
Adam had already eaten and offered his wife good/evil KNOWLEDGE before the DECEIVED Woman NAMED WOMAN ate/offered Adam natural fruit.
---Legends on 11/21/10|
Eve was deceived (tricked, misdirected) & thereby naively(gullibly) sinned (transgressed). But Adam, who was made God's delegated authority figure (head) over Eve, sinned willingly. He knew exactly what he was doing was wrong & contrary to God's word, & will. So, Adam's (not Eve's) open (deliberate) rebellion to God's word brought sin into the world.
---Leon on 11/20/10|
i agree with cliff. they both sinned. the woman was deceived and the man knew exactly what he was doing.
---aka on 11/20/10|
God told Adam not to eat of that particular fruit before He had made Eve. There is no record of Adam telling Eve or of God telling Eve not to eat that fruit but she had, obviously, been told by one or the other because she told the serpent that they must not eat it.
Both sinned by eating it but the bible makes it clear that sin came into the world through ONE MAN - ADAM and that salvation will come through ONE MAN - JESUS.
---RitaH on 11/20/10|
In Romans 5:12, the Greek word is "anthropos", here correctly translated "human" (< anthros,human + pous,foot= foot human. Also note: "anthropology"= logistics or study of humans), and not an indication of masculinity as in "andros". lit.Gk: "Because of this, as through one human that sin into the world entered, and through which sin the death, and so on individual humans the death passed, since which individuals failed." Romans 5:12.
---Eloy on 11/20/10|
Amen Bruce5656. Nice to know that someone other than myself has understood that well enough to apply it perspectively:o)
---josef on 11/20/10|
Both. Eve took of the fruit first, but Adam didn't tell her & he took of it also so he knew better. So sin entered through him by his offspring.they both are guilty.
---candice on 11/19/10|
Genesis 5:2, "Male and female created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."
---Bruce5656 on 11/19/10|
Eve was 1st to transgress,but Adam ,instead of reprimanding her,acquiesced making him equally guilty.
So the answer is "both"!
---1st_cliff on 11/19/10|
This question reminds me of which came first, the chicken or the egg...lol.
The bible tells us, she took of the fruit and ate. And it also tells us that Adam was standing next to her when she handed him the fruit and he ate it too.
But notice that GOD called out to ADAM, not Eve. The reason for that is because God went directly to the head of the household, the man, and holds the man accountable for Eve's sin. "Adam where art thou."
I like the fact that God ignored the fact that they told him they heard him coming, and were afraid and God asked them, "WHO told you that you were naked?" It surely wasn't HIM who told them..it was satan. Thus getting them to admit their sin.
---Donna5535 on 11/19/10|