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Is Xmas A Pagan Holiday

Halloween, Xmas, and Easter are pure paganism, we must abstain from all forms of evil. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. Is Xmas the devils holiday? are we stronger than he? I Corinthians 10:18-22

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Cluny, You can keep your false santy claus: as for me, I believe in Christ on CHRISTmas, and not santymas Nor clausmas.
---Eloy on 11/30/10


\\I am full aware of the lie that sinners profess that santy claus was a real saint, all 100% bunko. Christ is not a santy claus\\

The idea of a fat man in red tights is rather repulsive, however, Nicholas, Archbishop of Myra is a real person and saint of Christ.

Nobody, to my knowledge, ever said he was Christ.

And the word is spelled "Santa."
---Cluny on 11/30/10


John,

Are you a Messanic Jew? That will explain a lot.

The only one who is ignorant is you for you know not what Christians (expecially Eastern Christians) celebrate during the Nativity Feast. You know not that Eastern Orthodox Christians and others celebrate the Holy Feasts (Nativity of Christ and Pascha) with prayers, fasting, hymns, liturgical services and not with modern secular trappings.

We worship God of the Bible, not pagan gods.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/30/10


Actually Saul was the jew. When he had his damascus road experience, he became Paul and no longer a Jew but a Christian.
---ginger on 11/30/10

NO! actually Saul never changed his name. That is a miconception, because Christians do not care to study and are willfully ignorant of their faith.

Paul is just Saul in Latin/Greek. Luke just said Paul as Saul was on his mission to he gentile nations."who was also known as Paul"

If he was in Mexico. It would have read. "Paul who was also known as Pablo".

This was many many years(14yrs) after the Demascus occurance.
---John on 11/30/10


There's no biblical examples of believers 'remembering' the Messiah's birth. There's certainly no biblical example of believers incorporating once-pagan fertility symbols in any way that was pleasing to God (see the golden calf).
My theory is that the celebration of Christmas throughout history has been a satanic trojan horse...filled with materialism and debachary.
---AG on 11/30/10




Bruce and ginger who appear to fall upon Romans 14 in defence of their pagan identities and practices.

Let's be reminded that at Romans 14, Paul writes to fellow 'brothers', Christians who had nothing to do with paganism. The avoidance of paganism in the 1st century was without question- its avoidance went without saying.

Thus, Romans 14 applies among fellow Christians who by default avoid paganism. Those professing Christianity but involved in paganism, Romans 14 does not apply. Pagans masquerading as Christians are simply off the scale, they do not appear on the Bible's radar.

When a Christian denounces December 25th because of its clear pagan origin, he is not judging 'a brother', because a brother would not be a pagan.
---David8318 on 11/30/10


Steven_Mynatt
Please your prejudices out of it.
Romans 14:4-8
Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls, and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God, and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself,
for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord, therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.
---ginger on 11/30/10


What I think you should do is look a bit deeper. Is Xmas wrong ? sure is ! Jesus surly didn't celibrate Xmas, why do his followers ?
The answer is in the History of the Church and Christians are followers of the Church, Not the Man. Ye cannot read the book that the Devil wrote for you (KJV) and expect to arrive at the truth of a Hebrew Rabbi.
---Steven_Mynatt on 11/30/10


Cluny, I am full aware of the myth of santy claus in red tights who slides down chimmneys to leave gifts, and yes, I am full aware of the lie that sinners profess that santy claus was a real saint, all 100% bunko. Christ is not a santy claus. Get back to Bible Cluny, and back to The Truth.
---Eloy on 11/30/10


Alan...No one is looking back. The New Creatures are called "Christians". (Isaiah/Acts)...I know this is a hard pill to swallow but...Jesus and ALL the Apostles were Jews. ---John on 11/29/10

on the other side of the pond is aka....

John, you first said Christian are Jews and you did not say that new creatures are christians (of which I do not deny.) I am not a Jew nor am i a gentile. i am a new creature or a christian.

Why is it so hard to accept the Apostles and Jesus were Jews? Why is it so hard to accept that after Jesus rose those who believe in Him are then new creatures or Christians. Act 11:26 ...And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.
---aka on 11/30/10




They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not!
they must needs be borne, because they cannot go.

Be not afraid of them,

for they cannot do evil!
neither also is it in them to do good!

Jeremiah 10:5 KJV
---TheSeg on 11/30/10


John and others You accuse Christians of ignorance.

No it is you who are ignorant, for you have clearly been indoctrinated by your sect and know nothing about what and how Christians celebrate the birth life death and resurrection of our Lord
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/30/10


I celebrate HIM every day.
Linda, Ginger,
Now now ladies.
That's a bit cliche'//

John, I do celebrate him everyday and in everything I do. So, it's not a cliche' it's the truth. If you wish to call me a liar by covering it up with the word cliche' that's fine, But I know what the word says and I know what I do everyday. I know that being in Christ is an everyday celebration.

The word says not to judge those Christians who esteem other days than you do. Because if they are done in reverance of God, it is good. "Do ALL THINGS unto the Lord".

Maybe you are the carnal Christian since its your flesh that seems to be offeneded by this very biblical truth.
---ginger on 11/30/10


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I know this is a hard pill to swallow but...Jesus and ALL the Apostle (incld.Saul) were Jews.
---John on 11/29/10

Ok, its not a hard pill to swallow because I know the truth.
Actually Saul was the jew. When he had his damascus road experience, he became Paul and no longer a Jew but a Christian.
Maybe for you that is a hard pill to swallow but it is the truth too.
By the way are a legalist, too?
Do you understand that we are not jews but in Christ?
---ginger on 11/30/10


I celebrate HIM every day.
Linda, Ginger,
Now now ladies.
That's a bit cliche'

And we were talking about his Birthday, not Celebrating him in general

And Alan...
No one is looking back.
The New Creatures are called "Christians". (Isaiah/Acts)

Secularly speaking it would be the final Jewish sect in scripture.

I know this is a hard pill to swallow but...Jesus and ALL the Apostle (incld.Saul) were Jews.
---John on 11/29/10


I celebrate HIM every day.
---Linda on 11/29/10


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John, actually I celebrate Christ everyday.
Especially since he is the only one who died for my sins.
---ginger on 11/29/10


The reason all you Carnal Worldly "so-called" Christians find Christmas exciting. Has nothing to do with Christ, but everything to do with the world.
You enjoy the emotions, the atmosphere, the envionce of the this Pagan Festival. The lights in a small town, the shopping, the Christmas carols, Christmas Trees, warm church on a cold snowy day and so on...

It is nice!

But is it Christian or world paganism you are celebrating and yes worshipping?

Yet you ignorantly criticize Halloween. A simple Celtic celbration of wood sprites in the harvest.

As I have posted so many times before. Christians are the most ignorant of all faiths. Small wonder why people leave their church (aka. Social Clubs).
---JOHN on 11/29/10


//CHIRSTIAN ARE JEWS!!!//

Gentiles and Jews in Christ Jesus are one...a new creature.

What happens when you look back?

Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
---aka on 11/29/10


Nothing wrong with Jewish holidays. I have enjoyed celebrating Passover and Chanuka with Jewish friends (and occasionally just with Christian friends). Passover has great Christian significance that Jews do not see, but I like to celebrate as a matter of choice. in addition to Easter and Christmas.
Christmas on Sukkot might be a bit lonely. It is best when celebrated with other Christians.
---Donna66 on 11/29/10


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Would you Carnal Christians be willing to celebrate Jesus birthday on Sukkot which most scholars believe to be the day he was born. We do know he was born during the High Holy days. The 10-days of Awe. Could be Yom Kippur or Rosh Haschanah (Sept.).

OOOPS OH NO!!! Those are J-E-W-I-S-H Holidays not ours!!! We dont celebrate those "Jewish Holidays".

CHIRSTIAN ARE JEWS!!! And G-d decreed these days as Holy. Jesus Celebrated and was Crucified on and FOR the Passover. NOT FOR EMPOROR CONSTANTINE EASTER!

It is very clear (especially with Fundies) that Jewish holidays are just disgusting BUT.. Pagan Holy days are just fine !!!
---JOHN on 11/29/10


"Our celebration of Christ's birth is exactly that. It is not a false religious practice." alan8566_of_uk

Not to kick the proverbial 'dead horse' (or reindeer) but that's an impossible argument to make when you examine the characteristic features of Christmas. Is the celebration not made 'false' by the inclusion of 'false' or pagan customs or practices?

"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen...For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." Jeremiah 10:2-4 KJV

Tis the season.
---scott on 11/29/10


Scott
I try to answer you, without getting into right and wrong.
I guess you want a right and wrong answer.
Are they wrong, yes!
Are they sinners, yes!
Will they sin again, yes!

But, now lets see something.
Do I believe in God, Yes!
Do I believe Christ is the son of God, Yes!
Will I sin again, yes!

So whose sins are greater?
Wouldnt it be mine!
For I said, I believe God!

Now can you tell me, who will God forgive?
Now you can say I dont speak for God!

If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Are we looking for sins or forgiveness?
For forgiveness!
Blessings!
---TheSeg on 11/29/10


I dont feel a bit funny at all celebrating the birth of Christ on Dec 25th.

In fact I feel absolutely wonderful at that time of year when Im singing songs of praise all day long.

I guess the Holy Spirit forgot to ask permission from you haters, whether or not He could bless me on Dec 25th good grief
---JackB on 11/29/10


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Scott ... You are getting absurd! Yes, you are frightened of the pagans gods!

As I have said, WE CHRISTIANS CELEBRATE THE BIRTH OF CHRIST.

You seem to think that the fact that pagans may at some long time in the past celebrated something else at that time of year as being so important and powerful that it obliterates the praise and honour and thanks that Christians are offering to God.

You ask "Christians should engage in false religious practices, including those that originated with the worship of pagan Gods because the Almighty God is more powerful?"

Not at all ... our celebration of Christ's birth is exactly that. It is not a false religious practice.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/10


\\Besides 400 decisions were made for Christ at our 7 Christmas services last year. \\

And how many are persevering a year later?
---Cluny on 11/29/10


David ... "Yet ignorant Christians celebrate these Pagan Holy days! Blindly thinking they are Christian Holy Days"

Oh dear John, how you are deluded. Christians do not celebrate these Pagan Holy Days. It is you who give them their capital P H & D!
---alan_of_UK on 11/29/10


Donna_Smith

On what day did Christ's disciples celebrate his birth as recorded in God's inspired word? Chapter and verse?
---scott on 11/29/10


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Besides 400 decisions were made for Christ.
---larry on 11/29/10
Alway good to hear the people decide on Christ. Kinda like Laundry Detergent. He must be sooo thankful YOU approve of Him!!

Was it the 1 minute "Sinners Prayer Get out of hell Ticket" and lets eat potluck.


Was is embarassing or disgusting for you to sell Him and so you hid Him within the Praise/Rock music sugar and then sneak in the Jesus Medicine?

Do you even care when he was born anyway. Do you even care to know him or Grace is all you want to know. Not interested in the Bible. Except ofcourse when it can be a manual for YOUR Personal needs only.
---JOHN on 11/29/10


Mark 7:6 "He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me."

7 "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

8 "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do."

9 "And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."
---christan on 11/29/10


Thank you Eloy, exactly my point. Besides 400 decisions were made for Christ at our 7 Christmas services last year.
Now "there" is a real reason for the season.
---larry on 11/29/10


TheSeg,
Lovely poem.

However you have avoided answering the question(s).
---scott on 11/29/10


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How does the fact that there were two pagan kings in scripture who celebrated their birthdays, translate into "Christ's birthday should not be celebrated"... or that "it should not be celebrated on any day that may have once been a pagan holiday?" And how do you dertermine which days were not special to some pagans somewhere.?

Are we not free to celebrate Christ's coming any day we choose? The customs of Christmas are just that. Customs. Any origins they may have had in pagansim should be left in the dust of history, no longer able dampen the the joyous celebrations of Christians.
---Donna_Smith on 11/29/10


HALLOWEEN IS LESS EVIL THAN CHRISTMAS OR EASTER!!!

Yet ignorant Christians celebrate these Pagan Holy days! Blindly thinking they are Christian Holy Days.

So they celebrate the gods of lights and burn Yule logs effigies and have Evergreen trees to appease these gods to return in spring. Constantine added Jesus to the list since he heard he was a god of light as well. Jesus was born on Sukkot in Sept.

Easter worships Ister. The goddess of the rising sun. The pagans would climb a mountain and have a "Sunrise Service" as she rosed from the sea.

IN CHRISTIANITY... IGNORANCE IS DEFINITELY NOT BLISS!!!

SO DO YOU WORSHIP G-Ds HOLY DAYS OR DO YOU WORSHIP PAGAN KING CONSTANTINE HOLY DAYS???
---JOHN on 11/29/10


"You appear to beleive that the pagan "gods" are more powerful than our God. Shame on you." (sic) alan8566_of_uk

Let me see if I follow your argument here.

Christians should engage in false religious practices, including those that originated with the worship of pagan Gods because the Almighty God is more powerful?

I am well aware that God is infinitely more powerful that his adversary the Devil. Could I then use that as an excuse to get involved with witchcraft?

This logic flies in the face of reason and, more importantly, scripture.

"What fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness?" 2 Corinthians 6:14-17.
---scott on 11/29/10


Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

5 "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me"
---christan on 11/29/10


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Eloy, I agree with you. We give gifts the the church & the needy as gifts to Christ on Christmas. We don't leave Him out. God knows the heart & He knows why each person is celebrating Christmas. We are allowed the freedom to worship God & remember His birth, His resurrection & the promise of His return. We give parties, decorate & make a big ta-do over or friend's & loved ones birth days so why not remember the special days Christ had on earth. A day has been set aside by America & all the Christians choose to celebrate His birth & His resurrection on those days. I love those Holidays for what they mean to me.
---Reba on 11/29/10


Jeremiah 10:1,2 "Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them."

3,4 "For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."

So, we now know that people who participate in such a tradition, God simply call them heathen (definition - "an unconverted individual of a people that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible").
---christan on 11/29/10


\\But pagans will celebrate their santy clauses and elves and whatnot.\\

There's nothing pagan about Santa Claus.

Santa Claus is a contraction, through the Dutch, of St. Nicholas, who was a Christian wonderworker known for his charities of the 4th century.

His feast day is 6 December. It was the northern European custom to give gifts to children on this day.

Only in the United States did he become assimilated with the English Father Christmas.
---Cluny on 11/29/10


Okay Christan.
Then please explain why the 3 wise men brought gifts to the new baby Christ on HIS birthday?
And not just any gifts either but gifts fit for the king he is.

Some forget that it is not sin to esteem a certain day. The sin comes from WHY you are esteeming that specific day.
My problem with the world has always been that they take Jesus out of Christmas and Easter. I refuse to do that. My children know there is no santa clause or easter bunny. They know WHY we celebrate those days in heart as well as action.
Christ is always at the heart of our celebrations.
---ginger on 11/29/10


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The Bible makes mention of hundreds of birthdays, and many are special births. And celebrating a birth-day, as the the sages who brought gifts for the baby Christ Jesus is not pagan, no, not at all. For we are instructed to give honor where honor is due. Merry Christmas is the celebration of Christ's birth, which has zero to do with paganism. But pagans will celebrate their santy clauses and elves and whatnot.
---Eloy on 11/29/10


Scripture made two mentions of birthday celebrations. And they came in the form of two godless kings - Pharaoh (Genesis 40:20) and King Herod (Matthew 14:6 & Mark 6:21). And based on Scripture revelation, one can conclude that birthday celebrations are pagan.

Scott's gave a wonderful and truthful example in Aaron's making of the golden calf in the wilderness.

He's right in saying that just because one thinks he's a Christian and celebrates christmas, does not make it right in the eyes of God.
---christan on 11/29/10


scott
Where does a Christian draw the line?
I tell you, men have draw lines already.
I was told and I am being told I can draw no lines!
Is this so hard to believe or understand?

If I am to draw a line, tell me and speak from your heart!
Where am I to start?

Shouldnt the line start at the feet of Christ?
And where should the line end?
Shouldnt the line end at the feet of Christ?
Is this so hard to believe or understand?

If I draw a line, being a sinner!
How do I know where I am, on the line?
I will not shut the door on anyone.

This I have received of my father!
The door is open!
---TheSeg on 11/29/10


Scott ... You appear to beleive that the pagan "gods" are more powerful than our God. Shame on you
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/29/10


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"Let us not therefore judge one another any more..." TheSeg

Are you suggesting (with your reference to Col 2:16) that all 'holy days' (Greek 'heorte'- feast , festival) would be appropriate for Christians to celebrate? Wiccan Festivals? The Hindu festival Makar Sankranti? And if a Christian decides to celebrate 'Holi' (a Hindu festival that commemorates the slaying of the demoness Holika) that this is appropriate and shouldn't be 'judged' as wrong?

Where does a Christian draw the line? The customs associated with Christmas and Easter are without question connected to non-Christian, ancient, Pagan rites. How does a Christian choose between one pagan custom and another?
---scott on 11/29/10


"No matter where they say that Christmas & Easter started, Christians now use those Holidays to celebrate Christ's birth & resurrection." Reba

Consider:

When Aaron made the Golden Calf, a blatant act of idolatry and false worship, he attempted to play down the abhorrent nature of this wrongdoing by saying "Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD (YHWH-Jehovah)." Gen 32:5 NIV

Did God overlook this act of false worship because they tried to dress it up with the appearance of true worship? Going so far as to attach the name of God to it? No.

So too, if the origins of Christmas and Easter are pagan (and they are), calling these celebrations 'Christian' doesn't make it so.
---scott on 11/29/10


Bruce5656
Very well put!

As I was reading it, what came to mind was:
John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

And then:
The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

God speed!
---TheSeg on 11/28/10


//...Xmas, and Easter are pure paganism, we must abstain from all forms of evil....//

every true disciple of Jesus Christ celebrates the birth, death , and resurrection everyday. but, do you want to know the worst evil deed committed on that day?

It those who deny the birth, death , and resurrection of the true Christ, Jesus and take the time off and/or spend the holiday bonuses that an employer may give for those holidays.

If you deny the true Christ, Jesus, then deny the benefits that you get for pagan tradition.
---aka on 11/28/10


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\\Christmas is a bit more iffy, as we have no idea of WHEN Christ was born.\\

What is being celebrated is not a day, but a theological and spiritual truth: the Nativity According to the Flesh of Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 11/28/10


Cluny: certainly true. The Pascha (Passover, which we now celebrate as Ressurection Sunday, the day after passover) is certainly a day to be celebrated.

Christmas is a bit more iffy, as we have no idea of WHEN Christ was born.

I take it to be fine to use a day (whatever day we want, why not the 25th of DEcember) as a dey to remember His birth, provided we also remember it is not the right day
---peter3594 on 11/28/10


Tommy: I do not see a reason WHY the day is the devils holiday, as you put it.

That the day has been changed from the original (a day USED, while people know it was the wrong day, to celebrate the birth of Christ, as a simple day of celebration) to a modern time to just spend money and buy useless things while forgetting abot Christ, I accept.

But that does not make it the devils day any more than any other actions that are not of God make that day be the devils day
---James on 11/28/10


Rhonda (and David)
"The Father Heaven HATES pagan days it is HE who takes OFFENSE at those who celebrate pagan days"

Do you have a calendar in your possession? I trust you have removed the months of January, February, March, May and June as they are specifically named after false gods. Oh and while you are at it, you better remove every day named after a false god - that would be ALL of them by the way.

Oh, what is that you say? You don't pay any attention as it means nothing to you? Sounds like a familiar argument put forth here by those of us who pay no attention to the worlds use of particular days. It means nothing to us either.

You might want to re-read Romans 14
---Bruce5656 on 11/28/10


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Doctor of Theology, Stanley Hudson writes that up until Constantine's time, it was common for Roman coins to depict the popular Roman deities. But Hudson reported that after Constantine's conversion, coins depicting Sol, the sun god ('Sol Invictus')- formerly Constantine's favorite- were minted profusely. Why?

Dr.Hudson suggests Constantine may actually have confused Sol with Jesus. Syncretism (combination of different forms of belief) is not unusual even today. Constantine may have worshiped Sol under the name of Jesus.
Such syncretism would explain why December 25th, 'the birthday of the unconquered sun,' was chosen by Emperor Constantine as the day to commemorate the birth of Jesus. - 'Bible Review', by Dr Stanley Hudson.
---David8318 on 11/28/10


The Encyclopaedia Britannica says of Constantine: 'Paganism must still have been an operative belief with the man who, down almost to the close of his life, retained so many pagan superstitions... Constantine was entitled to be called Great in virtue rather of what he did than what he was. Tested by character, indeed, he stands among the lowest of all those to whom the epithet ('Great') has in ancient or modern times been applied. This is demonstrated in that he stooped even to the murder of several of his own family members. His pagan title, 'Pontifex Maximus,' was later transferred to the popes of the Roman Catholic Church.'

Constantine not the founder of Christendom or the RCC? History says otherwise.
---David8318 on 11/28/10


Rhonda ... Can you not read?

We have said it often enough

WE DO NOT CELEBRATE PAGAN DAYS
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/28/10


Pagans and Christians celebrate Christmas albeit the secularists around this time of year are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
They should be fighting to go to work and attend school.

For Christians, many who might not otherwise attend a service do so for us the holiday is for two purposes.
1. evangelism
2. thankfulness to God for the birth of his son.


Christmas is pagan for pagans not believers.
---larry on 11/28/10


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Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross, And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
(So!)
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

(Im Persuaded! )
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
---TheSeg on 11/28/10


Do not throw the baby out with the bath water. Halloween is a fabricated pagan celebration: but Christmas is the celebration of Christ's birth, and Easter is the celebration of Christ's resurrection from the dead.
---Eloy on 11/28/10


\\The Father Heaven HATES pagan days it is HE who takes OFFENSE at those who celebrate pagan days

...you can cover up pagan days with pretty bows and sweet nothings of a christ on your lips however - it is still a pagan day\\

Rhonda, God told me to tell you He has no objection to His children celebrating the Holy Nativity and Pascha.
---Cluny on 11/28/10


"Cluny, Although Thanksgiving is not specifically mentioned in scripture,didn't they observe the "feast of in-gathering?"
Like harvest (isn't that what thanksgiving is all about?)
---1st_cliff "

But they didn't feast in a Thanks-Giving meal with all of today's trappings. Did you celebrate the true meaning of Thanksgiving without all the trappings (Turkey, pumpkin pie, cranberry sauce, turkey hangings, etc)?

On the other hand, we are called in Scriptures to give thanks daily.

We honor many holidays that aren't mention in Scriptures (Memorial Day, etc), and honor/celebrate dead people (Martin Luther King JR). Why are people attacking Holy Feasts and not these secular holidays?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/28/10


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Roman Emperor Diocletian was a vicious persecutor of early Christians during his rule, 284-305CE.

Diocletian was a pagan, born December 22, 245CE. The Pagan Roman Empire, particularly under Diocletian wanted the brutal extermination of Christianity. This blood lust led to Diocletian murdering 1000's of Christian men, women and children.

Diocletian and his pagan co-horts threw a 'party' to commemorate the murder of Christians- holding that party on the pagan sacred holy-day, December 25, 3 days after Diocletian's birthday.

His successor, Emperor Constantine sought to destroy true Christianity more subtly- fusing paganism with Christianity, hence Christendom's acceptance of December 25.
---David8318 on 11/28/10


I have looked over the Scripture. Here is what you are getting from God through me, today. "In whatever, you do at this time of year, take Me with you". Oh, my Lord and my God.
---catherine on 11/28/10


Rhonda & David.
At Christmas time, those Christians who celebrate the coming to earth of our Saviour DO NOT celebrate any pagan festival.

Why do you go to such trouble to try to label us as liars?

WWE DO NOT WORSHIP ANYONE BUT CHRIST
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/28/10


\\This enabled Emperor Constantine (founder of the RCC) to merge the cult of Mithra with that of his newly emerging religious cult- Christendom, whose priests and vicars continue to this day promoting & encouraging the pagan festival on December 25.
---David8318 on 11/28/10\\

Those who say this know nothing about Christianity, its history, Constantine, or the Roman Catholic Church.

David, saying this over and over again will NOT make it so.
---Cluny on 11/28/10


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December 25 is the most sacred of all pagan holy-days.

Mithra (the 'Divinity of the Sun') was (is) a principle deity of the Zoroastrian religion, whose birth was celebrated on December 25th.

During the 1st Century before Christ, Roman Emperors embraced Mithraism. The worship of Mithra was first recognized by Emperor Aurelian and he instituted the cult of "Sol Invictus" or the Invincible Sun- the Roman Saturnalia, celebrating the rebirth of the Sun on December 25th.

This enabled Emperor Constantine (founder of the RCC) to merge the cult of Mithra with that of his newly emerging religious cult- Christendom, whose priests and vicars continue to this day promoting & encouraging the pagan festival on December 25.
---David8318 on 11/28/10


Cluny, Although Thanksgiving is not specifically mentioned in scripture,didn't they observe the "feast of in-gathering?"
Like harvest (isn't that what thanksgiving is all about?)
---1st_cliff on 11/27/10


\\"how does a Christian celebrate Christmas without all the trappings?
" (1st Cliff)\\

In my case I simply ignore them.

I was not raised with the typical American celebration of greed and excess that has gotten associated with the Nativity of Christ.

Try FASTING in some way during all of Advent and Lent, and avoid celebrating these feasts before the day itself--THEN attend the special services in an Orthodox church held before, and you'll see what Ignatius and I are talking about.

BTW--Nobody here seems to be saying anything against Thanksgiving. Why? It's not mentioned in the Bible, either.
---Cluny on 11/27/10


"how does a Christian celebrate Christmas without all the trappings?
" (1st Cliff)

Christians did it in the early centuries of the Church. The Nativity of the Christ and Pascha was not celebrated with the modern secular trappings (those were later secular additions). Why should it be hard now? Look at the Orthodox Liturgical services for the Nativity and Pascha.

However, I don't see anything wrong with the secular additions, as long as Christians recognize the real purpose of the Holy Feasts, which is celebrated in Orthodoxy with beautiful prayers, hymns, fasting, etc. The Orthodox Liturgical services during these times are just heavenly, and I can't wait for Great and Holy Week. Praise the Lord!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/27/10


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Christmas is not a pagan holiday this is when we celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus. And i take offense when someone spells it Xmas.
***

that's interesting YOU take offense?

The Father Heaven HATES pagan days it is HE who takes OFFENSE at those who celebrate pagan days

...you can cover up pagan days with pretty bows and sweet nothings of a christ on your lips however - it is still a pagan day

if the gentile christians are SO OFFENDED then have your celebration on another day rather than following your MOTHER rcc and the suns day she chose

True Christians follow Christ and Apostles who never celebrated the birth of Christ
---Rhonda on 11/27/10


Celebrate Christmas with a nativity scene, it's more appropriate.

Leave the pagan ideas of the christmas tree, halloween garb junk & the easter bunny - eggs etc alone.
---Lawrence on 11/27/10


""""XMAS"""""????????
---KarenD on 11/27/10


Just how does a Christian celebrate Christmas without all the trappings?
---1stcliff on 11/27/10


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this question comes up every holiday one form or another. YES IT IS WRONG. You can not cover up a pagan holiday with a better holiday, the original meaning still exists.
---candice on 11/27/10


\\Saturnalia and the winter Solstice ,celebrated late december with Yule logs, carols, mistletoe, holly, the fir tree,feasting etc. of course bears no resemblance to Christmas does it???
Maybe Santa?\\

Of course, you find these things in the Middle East or Southern Hemisphere in December, right?

You are perfectly free to decorate your house with dead branches if you like.
---Cluny on 11/27/10


Saturnalia and the winter Solstice ,celebrated late december with Yule logs, carols, mistletoe, holly, the fir tree,feasting etc. of course bears no resemblance to Christmas does it???
Maybe Santa?
---1st_cliff on 11/27/10


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