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Can You Disobey God

Through all the Choices you make, can you mess up what God Foreknows you will do?

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There is only one constant one universal, it is the only real Truth... 'Causality'!!! Action reaction cause & effect. Nothing begin with Choice. Choice is an illusion, created between those with power and those without.

There is no escape from Causality... We are forever slaves to it. Our only Hope our only Peace is the Way to Understanding it(Job 28:28), and to Understand takes Wisdom which is why it's the principal thing, separating us from them, you from me. Wisdom is the only real source of power, without it you are powerless.

Fear of the LORD is Wisdom, and to depart from evil is Understanding... therefore get Wisdom and with all thy getting get Understanding. Pro.4:7

To be continued...
---Shawn.M.T. on 12/6/10


Continuation...

Whatsoever happens happens for a REASON... So, What happened happened and couldn't have happened any other way than how God has foreseen it happening.

There's no escaping reason, no deny purpose b/c without its underlining causality, nothing would exist.

It's purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us that guides us that drives us, it is purpose that binds & defines us.
---Shawn.M.T. on 12/6/10


Micha, your arguments are legit but they should not be with me but with the Word of God. We didn't write Scripture. God inspired writers to do so.
What you are doing is not agreeing on what God has to say about Himself only because you don't want to. Not because it is not there in the first place. Brother, Instead of beginning with man and the world and working back to God, we must began with God and work down to man. "In the beginning God" and work that principle to the present situation. If you begin with the world as it is today and try to work back to God, everything will seem to show that God has no connection with the world at all. But if you begin with God-continue
---Mark_V. on 12/4/10


donna66, Could it be others listening to you say "OH my God"...(in reverence that is!)

DONNA66, WHAT EXACTLY do you stand for. I don't see any convictions. Is there any convictions you would lay down our life for.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/10


kath4453---The last quote in my post is from MarkV.
---Donna66 on 12/3/10




//Why do Calvinists always assume that when people disagree with them it is THOSE PEOPLE who havent studied their Bibles?//

good point...it is not only Calvinists. it is "rightly dividing"ers, self-proclaimed prophets, "Bereans", and others stuck in a thought pattern mislabeled "sound doctrine" like Calvinism.

even when they are shown their own folly, they will ignore you or attack you with a spirit of superiority or sarcasm.
---aka on 12/3/10


MarkV, I already previously elaborated this truth and gave the Biblical book, chapter and verse.
---Eloy on 12/4/10


Donna, A-men. Preaching to the hard-hearted is like turning a light on wherewith they would rather have the light turned dark so that hey could remain comfortable in their darkness. That is why they dis and castigate and blaspheme, for in doing so it lends them a false sense of security. Yet inside they know, while reluctant to admit it, that they have been found to be undone, and are in need of righteousness.
---Eloy on 12/4/10


Eloy, I agree. We are living in Real Time here. To say we are a rerun and are living in the buffering zone of a downloaded news-real of something that already happened, is Science Fiction.

To say that all is set in stone, and has been from the beginning, that God programmed every last detail, gives God no Sovereignty TODAY to intervene in your life. The fact is, God does and WILL intervene when it comes to His own. Just read Psalms 18.

God intervening in your personal life will NOT change the outcome of the end.
Satan is still going to be thrown in the lake of fire, The New heaven and earth are still on schedule, and those who reject Christ will still remain lost. Christ will be the Victor!
---kathr4453 on 12/4/10


donna66, NOT oh poor me...if you're not suffering, I say OH POOR YOU!!'why, because suffering is the EVIDENCE of your salvation. And those who suffer with him will be Glorified together with Him. Haven't you heard...no suffering, no Glory!

However I did notice, why not post anything markv stated?

Or did I miss something!
---kathr4453 on 12/3/10




Oh, my God (I say this with reverence) the self- righteousnes and condemnation is so thick here, it makes me choke.
Listen to yourselves!

they have studied more than you and thats why they DONT believe in Calvinism

it also may be some have suffered more... and KNOW out of personal fellowship what is true and not. (poor me)

That is the same response that close-minded and hard-hearted atheists give when you try to help them believe in God

please cease calling me your "brother", you are Not my brother, my Father is not your's, and you are not of my family.

I believe enough Truth has been given to you... and you will continue to trample as spoken of in Matthew 7:6
---Donna66 on 12/3/10


God knows all...past, present, future...
It is all present to Him for He is.
His plans have been set including our decisions in life from believing in Christ to what to eat for breakfast.
With all this knowledge, He is more than able to work His pleasure through those who have yielded to His will.
You cannot outsmart God by making a choice you would normally not make, He already foreknew it.
The problem arrises when we turn His omniscience into totalitarianism, thus making God a puppetmaster inflicting punishment on some as He chooses even though they are doing His will.
---micha9344 on 12/3/10


Why do Calvinists always assume that when people disagree with them it is THOSE PEOPLE who havent studied their Bibles?

Is it not possible they have studied more than you and thats why they DONT believe in Calvinism?

---JackB on 12/3/10

I believe it also may be some have suffered more than they and KNOW out of personal fellowship what is true and not true.

No one ever suffered sitting on their duff studying. It's when God takes what you have studied and makes that a reality in you that counts. It's called spiritual maturity!
---kathr4453 on 12/3/10


Eloy, you are contradicting "Foreknew" If God foreknew, how can you change it? Impossible for God to forget what He already knew. You might, but not God. Sorry, but you are wrong again. You need understanding. Even a person who is not saved can tell you what I just told you. Common sense.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/10


Here is the fundamental difference between a man of faith and the man of unbelief. The unbeliever is "of the world" judges everything by worldly standards, and he views life from the standpoint of a Paper Pope like the Westminster Confession of faith...AKA Calvinism.

"But the man of faith" brings everything TO God, obeying from the heart that which is revealed to Him called the individual priesthood of the believer. Doing this, his heart is calm in the midst of the storm. Doing this, he rejoices in Hope of the glory of God. because he KNOWS God and has a personal intimate relationship with God. kathr4453


Those who view God from Calvins Westminster Confession have a "paper pope" as their head!
---kathr4453 on 12/3/10


Yes, we know that the Father changes his plans pertaining to us according to our works. Because of freedom of choice, people are able to change what God foreknew: when God foretells a person that he will bless them, and thereupon the person then does evil, God will change his word and will no longer bless them: likewise when God fortells a person that he will condemn them, and thereupon the person then repents, God will change his word and will no longer condemn them.
---Eloy on 12/3/10


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Eloy, I already know you are not my brother. You do not have to remind me. I'm very excited that I'm not because I do not want to be your brother until you repent and change, then I will be glad to be your brother. At one time before I was saved I was your brother, Right now I love my company. Praise God He made you admit it. Thank you Jesus.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/10


//Nothing is ever answered about the passages that we give//---MarkV

That is the same response that close-minded and hard-hearted atheists give when you try to help them believe in God.

You simply dont like the answers that you are given.

"Man cannot resist God"

Then I give you a verse FROM the Holy Spirit saying that we can indeed do it.

STILL you believe your hogwash and ignore the SPirits own words.
---JackB on 12/3/10


Part 2:
Here is the fundamental difference between a man of faith and the man of unbelief. The unbeliever is "of the world" judges everything by worldly standards, and he views life from the standpoint of time and sense, and weighs everything in the balances of his own carnal making. "But the man of faith" brings in God, looks at everything from His standpoint, estimates values by spiritual standards, and whatever comes as from the hand of God. Doing this, his heart is calm in the midst of the storm. Doing this, he rejoices in Hope of the glory of God. (A. Pink)
"That is exactly what you are doing, viewing life matters from the standpoint of time and sense." God is outside of time.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/10


Why do Calvinists always assume that when people disagree with them it is THOSE PEOPLE who havent studied their Bibles?

Is it not possible they have studied more than you and thats why they DONT believe in Calvinism?

God had foreknowledge of our fall into sin as well but that does not mean he caused it. That would be accusing God of evil. (James 1:13)

God also has foreknowledge of the BoC and yes he does draw all men to Himself as He said in scripture. Some simply resist that calling.

You dont like it? Argue with God about it. He seems to know men can do it as well. (Hebrews 3:8)
---JackB on 12/3/10


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Shawn MT, a NonBrother still.
---Eloy on 12/3/10


MarkV, you are not my brother, because your tongue blasphemes, and the disser is no part of me nor of Christ nor of my family. Those of my family have the same mind and the same Spirit and the same heart as I myself have. So when you dis me you are dissing the sanctified and righteousness of God, and thereby you manifest that you are no part of me.
---Eloy on 12/3/10


MarkV, you need no reminding that you are not my brother, for you know full well that you oppose me. And all who hate the righteous are condemned.
---Eloy on 12/3/10


Mark ... I don't recall anyone here saying that we can change what God already knows.
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/3/10


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I have no power to condemn anyone to hell. Only God does. And all whom God does not have mercy on are heading to hell already by the curse put on Adam. You don't have to believe the tulip, the fact is I couldn't memorize the tulip if my life depended on it, but I do very well with God's Word. I don't reject it but believe it. You don't have to understand everything in it, but you have to believe the Word of God and not reject it. If you had studied about our Sovereign Lord you would know who He is. Scripture has been given to you, and you reject it completely. You know who I am speaking to with this answer.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/10


In answer to the question, again I say you cannot change what God already knows. I lot of things are given from Scripture and wrote down, explained, and so forth. Nothing is ever answered about the passages that we give. Not one has said the passages were wrong, so I take it that you know they are true and the very word of God, so why keep arguing just to argue?
---Mark_V. on 12/2/10


//Have Shelle your other part help you, and also Jack.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/10
//

Are you seriously still hung up on this deception, Mark? The Spirit of God hasnt told you yet that we are not the same person? This is just more proof to me that your heart is STILL hardened to the point that you can no longer hear the voice of the Lord telling you when you are in error. If you were listening he might even tell you that as Kathr said, you are in a cult and locked into it by your fears.

//A true brother does not condemn his own brother if he has the love of Christ in him.//

And yet you have condemned people because they dont believe all 5 points of TULIP... regardless of the love they carry in their hearts.
---JackB on 12/2/10


--- Eloy :

Brother, God Bless
---Shawn.M.T on 12/2/10


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This is the doctrines of Scripture and it is that theology that I follow. For it is written as I have given it to you right from Scripture, and all you have is opinions and arguments and suggestions, and how you feel about it. And you don't like it. So what? It is not about how you feel or whether you like what God is doing or not. The Bible is about God and what He is doing and why. He does not have to answer to man for He is not obligated to save anyone. The plan is present before Him and He already knows who will be against Him and who will be for Him. Nothing is news to God. He is Omniscient, knowing all.
---Mark_V. on 12/2/10


Mark ... Yes
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/2/10


The one's who pretend to be my brothers, and turn out to be impostors. A true brother does not condemn his own brother if he has the love of Christ in him. And since Eloy admitted he is not my brother he is an impostor pretending to be everyone's brother until they disagree with him. So in order to be a brother of his, you have to agree with him. Making salvation by works agreeing with Eloy not God. More works by the law. But this time not God's law, but Eloy's law. How about you? are you my brother? I know by faith I am a part of the body of Christ, are you my brother? simple yes or no is good enough. For I do not know your heart only what you say on line.
---Mark_V. on 12/2/10


Shawn MT, none brother, no comment.
---Eloy on 12/2/10


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Mark ... Who has stabbed you in the back?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/1/10


-- Eloy :

sinner, no comment.---Eloy

Brother, Sinner is a comment !!!

Good Day
---ShawnM.T. on 12/1/10


//Eloy, you are right this time, and very right, you do have a different father.//

Welcome to the club, Eloy.

It was only a matter of time before you were grouped in with the rest of us Christian heathen.
---JackB on 12/1/10


Mark ... Your "God" refuses to allow the lsot to be found and to repent.

And He is omnipotent, and so it was His plan from the start that there would be the Fall, and that therefore we would all be sinful.

Since He caused that, He also causes the continuing sinfullness of those whom He refuses to allow to be saved.

That is the effect of your theology.
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/1/10


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Eloy, you are right this time, and very right, you do have a different father. A long time ago I was reminded to be aware of who I called brother or sister. And since then I'm very careful. You Eloy are not my brother. How do I know? Because you reminded me that you were not. Brothers don't stab anyone in the back. Only imposters do. Two rebirths did not do the job, you will need a third. But don't worry, you are in great company, for there is others who have not changed at all.
---Mark_V. on 12/1/10


It is said,
"But this brand of predestination means that Punishment is for those who behave in the way that GOd insists they behave." No one has said that but you.
How many times do we have to say it. God does not insist they behave that way. They sin because they love to sin. No one makes them. That they are going to sin, has been known by God from the foundation of the world. Did God make Judas sin? No. All God did was to let him alone and allow him to go his own way without interference to do what he did. It was Juda's nature to be evil, and God simply has foreordained to leave his nature unchanged, and permit him to fulfill what was said by the prophet's.
---Mark_V. on 12/1/10


Shawn MT, sinner, no comment.
---Eloy on 12/1/10


-- Eloy :

Shawn M.T. you are Not my brother, my Father is not yours

Brother, Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.... and hence a Brother !!! 2 Cor.10:7

Eloy, Do as you please, but I will continue to trust in lovingly hailing all as Brethren, endeavoring not to judge another as not being part of Christ's Body... that judgment is for Him & Him alone which He will profess in the Last Days(Matt.7:23)

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T. on 11/30/10


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We do have free will. If we are saved and choose to do evil, God will punish us. he turns some over to the devil for the destruction of the flesh. Those of us who are saved must keep our thoughts and life clean.
---shira3877 on 11/30/10


JackB, MarkV manufactures faults from the Christian postings here by twisting our words we post in order to make them say a falsehood which we have not posted. And when someone addresses us personally and asks us a question, he will often incorrectly interject and answer for myself and others when he is not the one whom was being personally addressed. I have asked him before to stop answering in the place of others, especially when he does not share our view point.
---Eloy on 11/30/10


MarkV, my Father is Not Shawn's father, and it is impropriety for a nonrelative to address a nonkindred as their own family member. Every real born-again Christian whom has the mind of Christ and does my Father's will is my brother, and sister, and mother.
---Eloy on 11/30/10


I made a mistake in my last post. In commenting on predestination as persented by some here, I said: "Punishment is for those who disobey, not for those who obey the commands"

That is of course what punishment is normally for,

But this brand of predestination means that Punishment is for those who behave in the way that GOd insists they behave. If they still sin, as God compels them, and do not repent, for God will not lety them, they are punished!

Now God is entitled to destroy or torment eternally anyone He wishes. But I do wonder why that behaviour should be holy and just and righteous, when He has bequeathed to us such different meanings for the words disobey, just and punish?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/30/10


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MarkV, you have done the very same thing as Eloy. I have seen you do it to myself and at least 2 others who disagree with you. Saying they werent your brothers. It was on that very same day that you stopped responding to my posts. It seems Alan has also made your list of those to ignore. I wonder if Christ ever ignored people.

Its the same as placing your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and humming so you dont hear what someone has to say.

Utterly childish.
---JackB on 11/30/10


Shawn T. in answering, you did call Eloy your brother, and it bothered me because I felt that Eloy was going to say what he said to you, that you were not his brother because he doesn't want a brother who disagrees with him. You are kind in answering, but do not expect others to be kind when they answer. I'm sure you already know that.
The theological bias they defend, is not defendable, because it has too many holes and they cannot answer without stripping God of His attributes, nature or character, and when they cannot answer, they resort to opinions, and show their anger. I do not have the patience you have, and so will pray for you to increase in patience.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/10


shawn M.T., please cease calling me your "brother", for you are Not my brother, my Father is not your's, and you are not of my family.
---Eloy on 11/30/10


-- Kathr :

Jesus own words, I NEVER KNEW YOU, how then can God know everything--

Sister, "I never knew you" was clearly spoken in the context of never knowing them as part of the Body of Christ!!!

It's True that those in Christ have "intimate knowledge of God" and "the lost don't have intimate knowledge of God," but man's intimate knowledge of God or lack there of, has nothing to do with the Omniscience of God's Intimate Foreknowledge of all things.

Kathr, I believe you know God wasn't saying He has no intimate knowledge of the lost... So don't confuse yourself or worse yet possible someone else by continuing down your current line of thought. Thanks & God Bless
---Shawn.M.T on 11/29/10


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There is a bit of difference between God knowing what Ahab would do, and God deciding what Ahab would do.

Same as there is a difference between God knowing that Mr Evil would remain evil, and God deciding and ensuring that Mr Evil remained evil, so that He, God, would have good reason (!!) to "punish" Mr Evil for behaving exactly as God had decided. Punishment is for those who disobey, not for those who obey the commands.
---alan_of_uk on 11/29/10


ShawnMT, if we have Jesus own words, I NEVER KNEW YOU, how then can God know everything, to the point of actually planning what He knows.

KNOW here means intimate knowledge. Now we know teh lost don't have intimate knowledge of God, but for God to say in the end He has no intimate knowledge of them is most interesting.

If God cannot even look at sin, why would He plan it?
---kathr4453 on 11/29/10


-- Eloy :

Brother, There are those who tell lies out of deceit and those who tell lies out of ignorance of the Truth... and I forgive both.

Your desire Eloy to believe your free choices are a mystery to God makes you ignorant to the Wisdom of taking into account the Whole Glory of God's Omniscience.

The Truth is God doesn't lie and had He had Foreknowledge of destroying Ahab He would have, but God didn't b/c God had Foreknowledge of Ahab humbly turning from his evil path.

You would be Wise to learn & accept the Truth that God Foreknew that Ahab would make the free choice to humble himself and turn from the path he was traveling after being shown the errors of his evil ways & where they were leading him.
---Shawn.M.T on 11/29/10


Shawn T, you are correct. If God knows something already, how can that change? It's impossible. What bothers others is that if God knows already what choice they will make, it doesn't seem fair to them for God to know. They want to determine what the future is concerning them. But if God does not know, then He is not Omniscient, knowing all. If He does not know then He is learning through time and does not know somethings. In believe that He does not know, it strips God of His attributes. God has written it already. How can it possibly change? Not possible.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/10


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NO. The question is not messing up but can you do any thing without God's foreknowledge. NO.
---larry on 11/29/10


Kathr, I'm closing dialogue with you as of today. No more answering your questions or responding to your remarks towards me. I believe enough Truth has been given to you. Anymore, and you will continue to trample as spoken of in Matthew 7:6. I read it so much, that I decided to follow the principle in those passages. The Word of God is not deserving to those who only want to trample the Truth. I move on from answering directly to you and giving you what is holy, the Word of God. You do what is in your heart. I cannot stop you. The time has come to close speaking to you. Maybe one day when I see a change in you.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/10


shawn M.T., I already gave the Biblical proof that free choice changes God's foreknowledge. God prophesied that he would kill Ahab: "Naboth is stoned and is dead. Thus says Yhwh to Ahab, In the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth will dogs lick your blood, even yours." I Kings 21:14,19. Then after hearing this foreknown word from God Ahab with his free choice chose to repent, and God changed his mind: "Because Ahab humbles himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days." I Kings 21:29.
---Eloy on 11/29/10


Kathr good try with your answer,
"God did not proclaim before hand MarkV would get caught in a cult. MarkV made that decision himself."
Your slanderous remarks against me do not effect me, what it does is give evidence of your lack of good fruits and a great supply of bad fruits because of the false salvation you encountered. The more you talk the more evidence you give. Keep making my point. Have Shelle your other part help you, and also Jack.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/10


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-- Eloy :

yes, free choice changes foreknowledge--Eloy

Brother, NO !!! free choice doesn't change God's Foreknowledge.

Tell me one free choice you've made which God's didn't already know you were going to make?
---ShawnM.T. on 11/29/10


shawn M.T., no one whom lies is my brother. you posted, "God didn't plan to destroy Ahab." But the Holy Bible reads, "And the word of Yhwh came to Eliyah the Tishbite, saying, Go to meet Ahab, and you will speak to him, saying, Thus says Yhwh, In the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth will dogs lick your blood, even yours. Note, I will bring evil upon you, and make your house like the house of Jeroboam, and like the house of Baasha." I Kings 21:17-22.
---Eloy on 11/29/10


yes, free choice changes foreknowledge.
---Eloy on 11/29/10


Catherine, we all know by now that if your response contains Scripture, it is not your gifting but a lifting from Bible commentaries or the world wide web. Most anybody who has any computer skills at all can copy and paste or simply plagarize someone else's comments as his/her own.
---LG on 11/29/10


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\\I didn't get that saying from anywhre. It's part of my GIFT. HaaaaaaaaHeeeeee.
---catherine on 11/27/10\\

And in the words of Edward Albee, you have hideous gifts and ugly talents.

BTW--the Bible says, "The fools raise their voices in laughter."
---Cluny on 11/29/10


what about those people that died in jonestown & waco tx. they obeyed but they ended up dead.

what about obeying the verses in malachi & 10% but the only people who get rich are people like benny hinn, copeland, mayer, dollar, pat robertson. instead of acquiring skills you waste your time & money waiting for the 'blessings' promised from these people who quote malachi & 10%.
---mike on 11/29/10


-- Eloy :

Brother, You really need to learn how to properly share the story of King Ahab.

God didn't plan to destroy Ahab. Ahab's evil ways were leading him down a path that only could have ended with Ahab's blood being licked by the dogs in the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth. God's Mercy through Elijah informed Ahab of the path he was on b/c God knew Ahab would believe & choice to humble himself which changed his path... as God Foreknew he would since BTFOTW!!!

Come-on Eloy, If you're going to site scriptures please do it accurately. Thanks

BTW~We're able to change Thanks Be To God, but all of God's Foreknowledge since BTFOTW of every choice we will ever make shall not changes !!!
---Shawn.M.T on 11/28/10


Shawn M.T., No one is a robot, and because God and his children can see into the future does not mean that the future that was foreseen cannot be changed. And yes, God has feelings and has the capacity to be surprised, happy, and also sad and grieving. And the reason that we have the ability to change our future is because, God has given us the gift of free choice to choose without his forcing his own free will upon our free will. Recall how God planned to destroy King Ahab, ref: I Kings 21:19,21,22. But Ahab when he heard of God's foreknown word against him he repented, and thereby God changed his mind, ref: I Kings 21:27-29.
---Eloy on 11/28/10


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God is a God of change, he lifts up and he puts down, the weak become strong and the strong become weak, the rags become riches and the riches are turned to rags. So who can know him? and who can instruct him in knowledge? For whatsoever pleases him, that he does, he can turn the water into blood, and create things from absolutely no thing. Praise the Lord! for he is almighty, and none will find him out. What will dictate to the Most High God what he will or will not do? will the clay say to the potter, you will do this? All is in my hands, says the Lord, to do so whatsoever I please.
---Eloy on 11/28/10


-- Kathr :

ShawnMT are you asking, did God foreknow you would mess up?... personally we're not prophesied to be this or that--Kathr

Sister, That's not what I was asking. God Foreknows if we will be THIS or THAT... and it sounds like all you have is a very predictable DISOBEDIENT dog. All you know is that he MAY(not will) jump up on the sofa... and that's just you're ASSUMPTION, based solely on your dog's past disobedience, not on future knowledge of all things as God Foreknows.

--- Eloy :

Brother, Whatever you Choose to do, God Foreknew you would make that Choice and is never surprised, despite the road you were traveling, b/c you will never make a choice which God didn't Foreknow you would make!!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 11/28/10


You can't mess up nothing, believe me, God knows it all. You cannot out-smart Him either. He knows all your motives better than even you do. And He laughs a lot.
---catherine on 11/28/10


I believe everything God prophesied in scripture will come to pass. We see Christ was, and see that nothing satan tried to do could stop it.

No amount of man's effort to clean up the world can change that.

However you and I personally were not prophesied to be this or that. God did not proclaim before hand MarkV would get caught in a cult. MarkV made that decision himself.

However God has made a way of escape for MarkV, GODs WORD. God said anyone who worships anyone other than HIM will go to Hell. markV and anyone else following a false doctrine CAN TODAY change their destiny. How? BY REPENTING!!!





---kathr4453 on 11/28/10


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Shawn T, the answer is no. What is known is sure to happen or else it is not known. All choices we make God already knows what they are. Some here want a God that is ignorant. This way they can do what they want and God will have to keep changing His plans to fit everything man does. They want their freedom from God.
God knowledge is perfect. He never errs, never changes, never overlooks anything.
"For I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them " Ez. 11:5.
"Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue but, lo, O Lord, Thou knowest it all together" Psa. 139:2-4.
---Mark_V. on 11/28/10


I didn't get that saying from anywhre. It's part of my GIFT. HaaaaaaaaHeeeeee.
---catherine on 11/27/10


This sight must be the one catherine gets all her hate mongering information, with all teh teeeheeeheee's about those goint to hell.

Beware of christianity in Politics...and beware of those who don't know the difference.
---kathr4453 on 11/28/10


ROLAND catherine took that saying from a website called Christ's Ambassadors.

Can you see the OXI-MORONIC conflict here?

ATTENTION
GOD-FEARING PATRIOTS

Christs Ambassadors do not profess to be expert in prophetic matters.


SO because of our ignorance we say:

Given the events of recent days, we can see our God given liberties being eroded day by day here in America....

So We the People said
in a loud voice:
not here, not this time


So now who's in control, God or man catherine??
---kathr4453 on 11/27/10


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God can still fix a broken life if you give Him all the pieces.
---Cluny on 11/27/10

I believe that you said it best. Congratulations!

I'll use Marriage, Divorce, & Remarriage as an example. However, the same recipe can be applied to other real-life situations.

When you stumble in life, you need to follow the recipe put forth by Cluny.

I find it difficult to understand WHY so many people are so unwilling to do that. My guess is that people have become "so sure" that THEIR way of doing things, like a marriage, is going to work, but it doesn't.

God will work through any "bumps", and/or "detours", in your life to bring about HIS purpose for you!
---Sag on 11/27/10


Quote - "God dos not know future events and human actions because He foresees them...He knows them because He wills them to happen."
This would necessarily mean that God not only foresees evil acts, but "wills" evil to happen. Can this be so?
---Roland on 11/27/10


Foreknowledge, or seeing events that happen in the future, is just that. As far as messing them up or changing them, any event that is prescribed will happen unless a person takes the necessary steps to change their prescribed event. For example, if I am on the road to destrruction, and I repent, then I will not be destroyed as foreknown: likewise if I am on the road to everlasting life, and I turn from it, then I will not enter into life as foreknown.
---Eloy on 11/27/10


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