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Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer

Should Christians sing Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer this time of the year or is that against Biblical teaching? The song has instruments and Santa themes.

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\\This elevates it from a matter of grammar errors to a matter of heresy - making mountains out of molehills,\\

Not heresy, but definitely delusion if he really believes it--either mental or spiritual delusion (prelest).
---Cluny on 12/8/10


Strongaxe -- Oh, I agree with you! Only I'm not sure it rises to the level of "heresy".
Eloy has probably used "Whom" and "Whomsoever" incorrectly for so long that it sounds correct to him. And now he feels he's being attacked, he's embarrassed and uses whatever justification he can think of at the moment...including God.

But I doubt God is so offended. He may even be amused at having poor English grammer attributed to Him. Eloy often writes excellent and educational points. Maybe he will just check a grammer book and try to break his bad habit.
---Donna66 on 12/8/10


Donna66:

We all make mistakes. The problem is when someone makes a mistake, keeps insisting he's right despite all evidence, makes a big issue of it, and says he's right because God told him so. This elevates it from a matter of grammar errors to a matter of heresy - making mountains out of molehills, and choking on gnats. Correcting someone's grammar should NOT be considered an attack on God.


Eloy:

You can write whatever you please. However, if you communicate with people speaking a language, you must conform to the rules of that language - NOT redefine them and insist everyone else adjust to your new definitions.

'to "whomsoever" I please.' was correct, but your other uses of "whom" were not.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/10


\\Pendant, A-men, Eloy knows exactly what he writes, which is not defined by the worldly.\\

And how does this differ from what Humpty Dumpty said in THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS: "When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to mean, neither more nor less. The question is which is to be the master, that's all"?
---Cluny on 12/8/10


\\Eloy is free to use incorrect grammer if he so desires.\\

But he's NOT free to attribute it to God.
---Cluny on 12/8/10




Eloy ... I understand what you mean when you say "whom" even if the rest of the English speaking world says it should be "who"
In return maybe you will use the name I have chosen for myself here, which is not Pendant.
Thanking you in anticipation ...
---Pedant on 12/8/10


Eloy is free to use incorrect grammer if he so desires. If it detracts from his message, as it sometimes does, I guess that's his problem!
---Donna66 on 12/8/10


strongax, you write your indefinite "who", and I will write the definite "whom" to "whomsoever" I please. No discussion.
---Eloy on 12/8/10


Pendant, A-men, Eloy knows exactly what he writes, which is not defined by the worldly.
---Eloy on 12/8/10


Eloy:

In English grammar, "who" is used as the subject of a sentence or phrase, while "whom" is used as an object.

"whom created" or "whom speaks" are grammatically incorrect. They should be "who created" or "who speaks".

If you insist that these terms are correct because God has given them to you personally, and that you are right and the entire English speaking world is wrong, then I have nothing further to say - it should be crystal clear to anyone reading just what is going on here.
---StrongAxe on 12/7/10




Only Eloy knows how to use the word 'whom' correctly. Websters, Chambers, Oxford, and Fowler all have it wrong
---Pedant on 12/8/10


cluny, I am not helpless in speaking truth, for I have The Most High God himself WHOM created words WHOM speaks to me his wisdom and gives me the precise and perfect words to convey to the clay. In vain the foolish clay endeavors to scrutinize and criticize and conform God, Christ, and his saints into their worldly and darkened minds. And as I have said before, I alone am 100% in charge of my words and their use and not the world, nor is the world's foolish diction in charge of my words which has zero to do with God and The Truth, and Right and Wrong. Cluny, are you also still toying with mythology, rather than the Holy Scriptures?
---Eloy on 12/7/10


Cluny, Only on occasion will I research nonBiblical language etymologies of a word in order to understand it's original use as compared to it's current usage. For example, Easter is an old word for Spring, and comes from the Lithuanian word "Aistra", meaning "Passion". But Easter is more correctly called Passover or the "Feast of Unleavened Bread", instituted on April 14, 1525 B.C. when Moses was 80 years old. The New Passover, called Communion, was instituted on Thursday April 14, 28 A.D. at 6:00 p.m. when Jesus was 32 years old. Early Sunday morning, three days after Jesus' last Passover supper, is Jesus' Resurrection Day, commonly called Easter.
---Eloy on 12/7/10


\\Cluny, none are so blind as those whom will not see, and none are so deaf as those whom will not hear.
---Eloy on 12/7/10\\

BTW, Eloy, in your helpless attempt to use elevated diction, you are again misusing "whom" where "who" is the correct pronoun.
---Cluny on 12/7/10


\\Cluny, none are so blind as those whom will not see, and none are so deaf as those whom will not hear.
---Eloy on 12/7/10\\

In other words, Eloy, you cannot prove that German or Dutch, as we know them today, were spoken in northern Europe, so you stoop to name calling.
---Cluny on 12/7/10


Cluny, none are so blind as those whom will not see, and none are so deaf as those whom will not hear.
---Eloy on 12/7/10


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Cluny: I would guess something like modern Scottish/Irish/Welsh or Breton - that group of languages that is very rapidly going out of existence (sorry, I missed Welsh) - when I did go to those areas, I could not, of course, understand anything if the people were speaking the local language, but of course they can speak Enlgish as well!
---peter on 12/7/10


BTW, Eloy, what language do you think the inhabitants of Brittania were speaking at the time of Christ, or about 100 AD?
---Cluny on 12/6/10


All Genesis 11 says is that different languages came at this time, NOT that German and Dutch were spoken in Northern Europe.

And apparently, you're not aware that languages develop and change over time. The Hebrew of the Bible differs from book to book, for example, depending on when it was written.

Or did you know that?
---Cluny on 12/6/10


Cluny, PROOF of the languages for the 3RD TIME:
   Genesis chapter 11.
---Eloy on 12/6/10


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\\Cluny, \As far as the deutsch or german languages, I believe that they were spoken in Europe at the time of Christ,\\

"I believe" is not proof, Eloy.

Are you unable to read? I already gave the proof,\\

You have given NO proof that the Dutch (which you misspelled) and German were spoken at the time of Christ.

"I believe" is no proof, even if you are the one believing it.
---Cluny on 12/5/10


Only because I looked it up Cluny.
I would have never guessed most of those words.
Quite interesting.
---micha9344 on 12/5/10


Cluny, \As far as the deutsch or german languages, I believe that they were spoken in Europe at the time of Christ,\\

"I believe" is not proof, Eloy.

Are you unable to read? I already gave the proof, ReRead what I posted again, else get someone able to read to read the following proof for you: "Recall after the flood, the tower of Babel in Genesis chapter 11, where the one language of all the earth was divided into diverse tongues?"
---Eloy on 12/5/10


\\ The language of Chaucer (1400) is virtually incomprehensible. And a thousand years earlier? Nobody today would recognize it.
---StrongAxe on 12/4/10\\

Here's a quote from Caedmon's Hymn, the oldest text in the English language.

nu sculon heiregan heafonrices weard
meatodes mechte and his modethanc

Who can translate it into modern English?

Eloy? Anybody?
---Cluny on 12/5/10


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Jane, Christians should sing and be happy always. I know for some it is hard to be happy because they have lost someone during the holidays, I know it is for me, but I rejoice in Christ that He has given us more time here on earth to do our mission in life, and one day we too will be gone and it will be left for others close to us to continue. Christ endured so much for our behalf, lets thank Him always not only with prayers but with songs of joy for what we have.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/10


\\As far as the deutsch or german languages, I believe that they were spoken in Europe at the time of Christ,\\

"I believe" is not proof, Eloy.

\\ as well as Romanian, Russian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, and the Britainians, etc. \\

I'd be curious to know what language you say was spoken in Britain in 100 AD.

I KNOW that the Romanian language didn't exist in the 100's, as it's a ROMANCE language based on Latin, though originally spelled with the Slavonic script.

Russian, Bulgarian, and Slovenian didn't exist in the 100's, either.
---Cluny on 12/4/10


Eloy:

Yes, there were languages in the "Germanic family" in northern Europe at that time, but they did not resemble the German or Dutch we have today (let alone English). People today have trouble with "modern English" (i.e. the language of the Bible and of Shakespeare, around 400 year old). The language of Chaucer (1400) is virtually incomprehensible. And a thousand years earlier? Nobody today would recognize it.
---StrongAxe on 12/4/10


Robyn -- my last post was misunderstood. I meant:
that the character summed up the general thinking of many on this blog. BUT not me!
A blessed and Merry Christmas to you!
---Donna66 on 12/4/10


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Donna666: And the same to you.
---Robyn on 12/3/10


Eloy: What in the world do you people do for fun?
minister, blog, watch television: and in the summer I have a garden.
Everything is a sin to you.
Not so: for some things are sin, and some things are right.
Is it ok for you to get up in the morning or is that a sin,too?
Sometimes I get up in the morning, and sometimes I get up in the afternoon, and neither are a sin.
But I do have to admit: I was like you once upon a time. Not now! No way! I am glad I have received better and wiser teaching, and shown the way to enjoy Christ.
All false. Partaking of sin is not fun, but is separation from Christ, and is pure bondage to sin.
---Eloy on 12/4/10


Did anyone see the Utube video of the Philadelphia Philharmonic and choir, that showed up unannounced at Macy's in a large shopping mall? Look for it!

The orchestra and choir launched into familiar parts of the "Messiah"...and in a few minutes, shoppers and mall employees, passersby,, stopped what they were doing and joined in. It wasn't long before almost everyone was singing!

What a change from saying the PC "Happy Holidays" to everyone you meet! We need a few things like this to lift our spirits in this commercialized Christmas season!
---Donna66 on 12/4/10


cluny and strongax, more falsehood. The first Christians went out and propagated the gospel even while Christ was with them, and even moreso after he poured out his Almighty Spirit on them at pentecost. When he commanded, Go you all into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, they did not reply, No, I think I will stay right here in Antioch and in Jerusalem. As far as the deutsch or german languages, I believe that they were spoken in Europe at the time of Christ, as well as Romanian, Russian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, and the Britainians, etc. Recall after the flood, the tower of Babel in Genesis chapter 11, where the one language of all the earth was divided into diverse tongues?
---Eloy on 12/4/10


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Robyn--
A well-known character from English literature expressed it best:
BAH HUMBUG!
---Donna66 on 12/3/10


Eloy: What in the world do you people do for fun? Everything is a sin to you. Is it ok for you to get up in the morning or is that a sin,too? Even preachers take vacations and pleasure trips. Fun and pleasure should be a part of everyone's life. Does not matter if you are saved or not. Good grief! Christians can be comical, care-free and have fun now.We don't have to wait to get to heaven. I do!
But I do have to admit: I was like you once upon a time. Not now! No way! I am glad I have received better and wiser teaching, and shown the way to enjoy Christ. I enjoy many things in life. I am a happy lusty, female christian,who love Jesus Christ. I refuse to feel guilty and live in chains!
---Robyn on 12/3/10


James, No, Christians should not sing songs of falsehood.
---Eloy on 12/3/10


Maureen: Seems as though you are learning what serving Christ is all about. There are some very uptight and self-righteous ones here at this blog. It took me a very long time to come to an understanding of spiritual things also. Its wonderful to be saved when we truly understand Christianity. Everything is not wrong for christians. It is about choices. I choose to follow Christ while enjoying my life---everyday! I could not have said this just 5 years ago. I am still learning to enjoy my freedom while serving Christ. Those who want to be in chains,God have mercy on their souls.
---Robyn on 12/2/10


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||orthobraphic shift||

Make that "orthoGraphic shift"
---Cluny on 12/2/10


Eloy:

Where do you get this stuff?

100 A.D. in the Netherlands? The Dutch language certainly did not exist at that time. (1600 A.D. would be more believable.) Do you have any evidence for this bizarre theory? I would love to hear it. But from some sources other than your own opinions, please. (You know, the whole Biblical standard about truth being established by 2 or 3 witnesses and all that).

(Note that unlike you, I don't accuse your of falsehood - I merely challenge you to substantiate your ideas, so that everyone can see for themselves whether they are believable or not).
---StrongAxe on 12/2/10


Yes Linda! That one is awesome as well!

I love it when I feel like Im about to float out of my seat lol
---JackB on 12/2/10


\\The term "Sinter Klaas" was first known in 100 A.D. in the Netherlands. And the Initial "S" in the German word "Sinter" was later changed to "C" under the influence of the French "cendre", meaning "ashes."\\

1. St. Nicholas of Myra didn't live unto the 4th century, when the Netherlands hadn't yet been evangelized. Nor did the Dutch language exist.

2. There is no phonetic or orthobraphic shift by which a Germanic S can become a Romance C.
---Cluny on 12/2/10


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\\Ah, yes, I love The Little Drummer Boy, not so much musically as because it talks about what you can offer the Lord--even if you're dirt poor.\\

Precisely, Mary.
---Cluny on 12/2/10


I am also very surprised to hear that a secular song like that is sung in church. I have never experienced that in all of my 51 years..lol. That might help me rethink things...and make other decisions.
---Maureen on 12/2/10


Jungle Bells doesn't bother me as much as Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, Cluny. I have always wondered if Rudolph's shiny red nose was demonic because normal reindeer have black non shiny noses. As a matter of fact, we don't have any reindeer here in Africa.
---Janes on 11/30/10

Actually Janes, normal reindeer don't fly! And your more concerned normal reindeer don't have blinking noses!
---kathr4453 on 12/2/10


O Holy Night is my favorite. I am not a Christmas song fanatic but that song moves my heart to worship.
---Linda on 12/2/10


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What Child Is This.

Best Christmas song ever!
---JackB on 12/2/10


Ah, yes, I love The Little Drummer Boy, not so much musically as because it talks about what you can offer the Lord--even if you're dirt poor. Right now my finances are in the sewer so I can really appreciate this song. :)
---Mary on 12/2/10


\\ How about The Little Drummer Boy, \\

Who knows that the real name of this modern song by Katherine K. Davis is "Carol of the Drum"?
---Cluny on 12/1/10


Cluny:

I didn't mean that his feast not recognized in religious circles anywhere in the U.S. or Canada. Merely that "in popular culture", if you go almost anywhere in Europe, people know about Christmas and they know about St. Nicholas Day, and know they are distinct. But if you ask almost any laymen in North America about it, they associate St. Nicholas with Christmas, and most have never heard of December 6th being St. Nicholas Day.

Go into any shopping mall this coming Monday, and see if their department store Santas behave any differently than any other day of the season. I think it will be extremely unlikely.
---StrongAxe on 12/2/10


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strongax, you continue to post falsehood. The term "Sinter Klaas" was first known in 100 A.D. in the Netherlands. And the Initial "S" in the German word "Sinter" was later changed to "C" under the influence of the French "cendre", meaning "ashes." And refers to Old Nick sliding down the chimney's of soot and ashes and coals.
---Eloy on 12/2/10


false religions and idolaters try to give creedance to false myths by misassociating nonrelated historical people to the myth. No catholic idolater had any relevance to the Sinter Klaas myth, for Sinter Klaas is proven to be 100% falsehood, along with the elves in the North Pole, and also the flying reindeer. Get back to the Bible people, and back to The Truth.
---Eloy on 12/2/10


Secular songs are not appropriate to be sung in church at Christmas or anytime. There are many festive traditional carols that can be taught easily. How about The Little Drummer Boy, for example (Instead of Rudolph the Red nosed Reindeer). The old standard carols are known and enjoyed even by non-church goers. If you want to make people feel comfortable, sing those!
---Donna66 on 12/1/10


\\His feast is celebrated on Dec. 6 everywehre except in the U.S. and Canada,\\

Where did you get that idea?

He is on the calendars of the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and most Anglican churches.

There is great devotion to St. Nicholas among Slavic and Greek Christians in the USA.

**Is it OK that some churches are singing Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer in church so that they are seeker friendly?**

I don't know any church that does this, Janes. Do you?
---Cluny on 12/1/10


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I am so surprised how many Christians responded on this blog that they should sing this type of song in church. I thought we are suppose to worship Christ this time of year. Is it different in the USA on how your worship Christ this time of the year?
---Janes on 12/1/10


I assume you question whether christians should sing these songs as a matter of corporate worship opposed to humming along with the radio in your car.
I doubt whether damage is done for adults humming such an American tradition, but in church how is God praised by a cheerful song dedicated to a beast?
---larry on 12/1/10


Is it OK that some churches are singing Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer in church so that they are seeker friendly?
---Janes on 12/1/10


I do love Christmas Carols. Rudolph is not one of my personal favorites but I feel its ok to sing it. But in church we sing , Joy to the World, Hosanna and other Christmas carols. We have a huge christmas tree in our church,decorations. We have special services, food and just enjoy ourselves.
---Robyn on 12/1/10


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Eloy:

The Dutch "Sinter Klaas" means "Saint Nicholas" and has nothing to do with "Cinders". Also, this term is not used in German.

While the term "Old Nick" is used for Satan, this has nothing to do with "Saint Nick", also known as Nicholas of Myra (2706 December 346AD), a bishop who had a reputation for secret gift-giving. His feast is celebrated on Dec. 6 everywehre except in the U.S. and Canada, where he has become subsumed into the whole modern "Santa Claus" mythology.
---StrongAxe on 12/1/10


We genuine Christians know the Biblical and historical origin of Christmas, the celebration of our Christ's birth in Bethlehem of Judea in the the 2nd hour of night, between 7 and 8 o'clock Mediterranean time, on December 25th, 5 B.C.
---Eloy on 12/1/10


"Rudolph" is derived from German, "Hruod" + "wulf", meaning "famous wolf". And scripture speaks of the impostures as "ravening wolves in sheep's clothing. And "Santa Claus" is derived from Dutch and German, "Sinter Klaas" < "Sinter Nikolaas", meaning "Cinder Nick" or "Old Nick", "Nacht demon", "the devil", "satan". The false Rudolph and Santy Claus cannot replace Jesus Christ.
---Eloy on 12/1/10


\\ NOT on Dec. 25 from the websites of Jim Staley, and Rico Cortes

Just the usual garbage that's been repeated and regurgitated for years, but with a bigger than usual amount of the typical imaginary Jewish stuff that leads to neo-Galatianism heresy.

You really should find better sources of information.
---Cluny on 12/1/10


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Janes, do you object to Jews playing with dreidles and singing about them during Channukah, too?

Not even Channukah is mentioned in the Bible.
---Cluny on 12/1/10


alan8566 of uk, cluny, and others - I get my info. on ALL of Christmas being of Pagan Idolitry and NOT of Christ, and Christ being born in Sep. NOT on Dec. 25 from the websites of Jim Staley, and Rico Cortes - look them up, you will be amazed at what you find out.
---Leslie on 12/1/10


\\NOT Christ (who was truly born during the Feast of Tabernacles in Sep.).\\

Actually, there is evidence, including Biblical, that the Nativity took place in December.

But, as I've said elsewhere, it's not a DAY being celebrated, but the FACT.
---Cluny on 11/30/10


I don't think it's against Biblical teaching. But why sing these cute little commercial songs when there are so MANY happy songs celebrating Christ's bith?
---Donna66 on 11/30/10


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Im convinced there are some here that believe anything you do that is fun is a sin.

...or they try to turn it into a sin.

What miserable lives you must lead being in such fear all day long.

Jesus Christ can set you free from that.. IF you let Him.
---JackB on 11/30/10


Rudolph..EVIL? So, what abt it a Wonderful Life? Should we rebuke George Baily too? I guess that a Christmas Carol is mocking the Holy Ghost too. Oh,c'mon..its a children's show. I guess kids should remain on their knees with hands folded in front of a manger all during the holidays!!!
I understand your point, but I don't agree with it. As long as children are raised to know we are celebrating the birth of Christ..which comes from their learing at home and at church.
There are SO many creative things to do with children to emphasize the true meaning of Christmas. Why bother demonizing children's shows?
---Maureen on 11/30/10


\\have always wondered if Rudolph's shiny red nose was demonic...\\

It's a silly children's song, Janes. As I have said, there is NOT a demon behind every coffee pot.

BTW--there are no musical instruments mentioned in Rudolph, but Jingle Bells is ABOUT musical instruments, so why doesn't this last song bother you?
---Cluny on 11/30/10


Jungle Bells doesn't bother me as much as Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, Cluny. I have always wondered if Rudolph's shiny red nose was demonic because normal reindeer have black non shiny noses. As a matter of fact, we don't have any reindeer here in Africa.
---Janes on 11/30/10


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Are you against singing "Jingle Bells," too, Janes?
---Cluny on 11/30/10


Nah, why sing any nonChristian songs on Christ's birthday, when instead you can sing songs to him giving glory to him and magnifying him? It is the day to celebrate HIM, and not celebrate holly nor trees nor white snow nor roasting chestnuts over fire, etc.
---Eloy on 11/30/10


Leslie ... "Even the birth of Christ on Dec. 25 is really to celebrate the son god.

Wow!! Leslie, maybe you beleive the sungod was born on that day.

Most Christians know he did not exist.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/30/10


Don't forget Olive, the other reindeer.

She really made his life miserable.
---Cluny on 11/30/10


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If the song included the other reindeer repenting and asking Jesus to forgive their sins I might like it, but this is more of the Christmas nonsense that is not needed to celebrate the birth of Christ.

I'm all for putting Christ in Christmas and excluding the junk that shadows the holiday in mythology.
---Pharisee on 11/30/10


ALL Christmas things are AGAINST the Bible and are rooted in Paganism and Idolitry. Even the birth of Christ on Dec. 25 is really to celebrate the son god (winter soltise), NOT Christ (who was truly born during the Feast of Tabernacles in Sep.).
---Leslie on 11/30/10


It's just a fun song and a cute story with a good message about accepting your uniqueness. Also, if you have any problem with instruments, check out Psalm 150--it'll blow your mind. :)
---Mary on 11/30/10


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