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Can a Christian belief system support a liberal world view. Can you politically act contrary to the Word of God?

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I thank Jehovah above I'm not
part of the right wing modern
day Pharisees. You will be shocked when you are the first to be destroyed at the end!
---Michael_Koda on 12/5/10


I was un-employed for 7 months and realize the woes involved, but it's no time to throw in the towel and count on uncle sam.
---paul on 12/5/10

I too, 7 years ago was unemployed with an unemployed pregnant wife. No insurance, low income.

We lived in Government subsides housing, used medicaid for hospital and dental services, used WIC.

Today I have a masters degree, my wife a batchelors and we make low 6 figue income, and are proud tax payers to the system that helped us.

As a christian, I would never seek to deny another christian the help which I got to help me get back on my feet.

Used properly, liberal programs help many christians become contributing members of our society and i am a witness to that.
---FRANCIS on 12/5/10


\\What percentage of people you think fit that criteria who use a EBT card.\\

I know that I myself have used someone else's EBT card on his behalf when I've gone to the store and the rightful owner could not

if I have, others have, too.

As I said, paul, things are seldom as simple, or even WHAT, they seem to you.
---Cluny on 12/5/10


You truly are reaching my friend.

What percentage of people you think fit that criteria who use a EBT card.

---paul on 12/5/10

Are you not aware that a lot of states are now issuing EBT cards for benefits? Its cheaper and easier for the state to do this.
---NurseRobert on 12/5/10


Obewan
Sometimes un-employed people are that way through no fault of there own, and sometimes its because of their work ethic.
I was un-employed for 7 months and realize the woes involved, but it's no time to throw in the towel and count on uncle sam.
One must innovate to be innovative, and one must display excellence to excel.
My wife is a CPA with an MBA and a Masters in health care management and recruiters and knocking down her door.
So one may have to retrain in an area where there is a demand. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/5/10




Cluny

You truly are reaching my friend.

What percentage of people you think fit that criteria who use a EBT card.

And I'm only stateing facts of life, I never said it was simple, just doable.
God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/5/10


one person would be sustaining thirty.
---paul

You can dismiss it however you want since it came from the "liberal media".

I heard it on more than one evening national news broadcast that at the worst of this recession there were 30 applicants for every single minimum wage job opening.

From my own experience, I went 4 years with no job once. I applied at over 2000 openings. With two BS degrees and 1/2 a MS degree no one would touch me with a ten foot pole - even to scrub toilets for $6 an hour. I depleted my retirement savings before I finally found someone to employ me in an excellent engineering position.

And I have seen many jobs posted that say "currently unemployed need not apply."
---obewan on 12/5/10


\\You can tell because when they get to check out they pull out a EBT card to purchase there items.\\

And how do you know he's buying for himself and not for someone else who is home-bound.

\\And anyone who can function daily and perform tasks in day to day life should be able to find gainful employment in some field.\\

Trust me, paul, things are NOT as simple as they seem to you.
---Cluny on 12/5/10


never crestans belive in evel and who says to eat aman flesh and drink his blood how can he be a god you cristans are fooling around with wrong religion you guys are brainwashed and filled your mind with agod whoa sks his deciples to eat his flesh and drink his blood i think you god is devil yea iam sure if you have any suggestions or would like to debate your faith in god email me
---rajesh on 12/5/10


Obewan

The statistic you sited would mean across the board that one person would be sustaining thirty.

Heres what I know, I have an acquaintance who has, in three months, held three different positions.

My wife has an acquaintance who has held two in three months.

My daughter works at McDs, in the last year over 100 people have came and went.

Im personally going Monday to an interview for a PM position for a local company.

My wife works in the administrative health care industry and receives posts often to pass on about new positions.

These are experiential statistics.

So one may have to retrain or take an undesirable position, receiving assistance until then is great. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/5/10




An average family of four is eligible for around 930 a month in cash and food stamps, and this varies state to state.

Now minimum wage, which I'm not against raising, will allow an individual to earn around 1000 a month after taxes and still qualify for government assistance.
---paul on 12/5/10

I never said I am against work. You sound more liberal than I thought if you are for public assistance for the working poor.

My point is that public assistance is still necessary even for some who work.
---obewan on 12/5/10


Obewan

Here is some more math to calculate.

An average family of four is eligible for around 930 a month in cash and food stamps, and this varies state to state.

Now minimum wage, which I'm not against raising, will allow an individual to earn around 1000 a month after taxes and still qualify for government assistance.

The big difference is that the person who is working feels a since of accomplishment in the fact that they earned there wage.

You can say what you like but I will work and provide for my home, and I have been the working poor and worked 2 fast food jobs to support my family. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/5/10


Nurse Robert

How exactly am I projecting the persona that Im wanting to control others lives? Are you talking about abortion, If so I feel all life is valuable especially the unborn.

And choice starts at contraception not after conception, and yes MOST liberals are for abortion, simply google your favorite liberal politician on the issues and you will soon discover that they are pro-choice .

Our local McDs is often hiring, I see people win jobs quite frequently here.

Im not saying jobs are in abundance, largely because employers are uncertain about tax cuts and a unstable market place, but one must persist even if it means re-training or taking an undesirable position temporarily.
God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/5/10


Francis: All true Christians are biblical liberals, in that they are charitable to others. But political liberals are not so, as statistics verify. And, you can't be a political liberal and be against abortion and sexual perversion - it is foundational to the political liberal mindset.

You are absolutely wrong that we conservatives "want to pass laws to run other peoples lives." We want less government - not more! We want government to be strictly limited to the lawful functions delineated in our Constitution - not this social engineering, Communism Lite garbage we are now experiencing.
---jerry6593 on 12/5/10


There are plenty of "able bodied" people - yes, even those on "government programs" - who can work, but the jobs don't exist and yes, even at McDonald's.
---NurseRobert on 12/4/10

The statistic I heard for this current recession is that for every single fast food job there are 30 applicants.

It is a not so nice condescending platitude to just tell unemployed people to just go get their fast food job.
---obewan on 12/5/10


Paul, I read an article the other day. Employers dont want to hire people that are unemployed, they want to hire people that are ALREADY employed.

Just where are all these jobs you claim are out there? I read the want ads every week, just to keep up with what's available (yes, I'm employed, two jobs as a matter of fact). Last Sunday (big day for job ads here). One page, maybe 30 jobs, all of which were technical or required professional skills. When there is a job fair for a dozen jobs, hundreds and hundreds show up for it.

There are plenty of "able bodied" people - yes, even those on "government programs" - who can work, but the jobs don't exist and yes, even at McDonald's.
---NurseRobert on 12/4/10


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Paul, i do respect your views. I do believe that we share the same desire. To lower abortion rates down to zero, an see all families stable as God would have it, man with woman, and not man with man.

The difference between we liberals and the conservertives is that conservatives do not want government running their lives, hhmm but they want to pass laws to run other peoples lives.

We liberals want t5o change lives with love.
---francis on 12/4/10


I realize we are in a bad economy, but McDonalds and other ,not so desirable, positions are available pretty often.

To put this issue to rest I will say that people would do better at a undesirable posistion then to live on welfare.
---paul on 12/4/10
You obviously know next to nothing about the working poor.

Just do the math. Do you really think one person can support one person let alone a family of 4 on minimum wage? I have seen homeless shelters in San Diego FULL of homeless people working at fast food jobs who could not afford their own housing.

And it is cruel conservatives who fight to the death raises to minimum wage for decades running.
---obewan on 12/4/10


Paul, I'm assuming you are a "conservative" and believe the government should not control your life. Aren't you doing the same thing?

You assume that all liberals are "for killing innocent babies and gays marrying." So wrong.

Do you believe that people have a right to choose what to do with their lives? You appear to have the idea that those who believe like you should control what others do.
---NurseRobert on 12/4/10


You will never stop abortions, but you can decrease it by giving more people HOPE.

This is why on the abortion debate i remain a liberal. I believe that if people had more resorces at hand, that they would keep their babies. More health insurance, affordable houseing, In general more of the programs championed by political liberals would give people HOPE.

If you have HOPE you may just keep that baby!!

Programs such as: programs like food stamps, WIC, social security, Medicaid, medicare, low income government subsidized housing, unemployment insurance are dreated for one reason:
Job 5:16 So the poor hath hope, and iniquity stoppeth her mouth.
---francis on 12/4/10


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Francis

I feel you know what I am saying when I say able bodied people.

People who are able bodied in that they are capable of working to provide for there families.

As i have said I do not have an issue helping those who have fallen on hard times.

But a lot of people on government programs could work if they so chose to do so.

I realize we are in a bad economy, but McDonalds and other ,not so desirable, positions are available pretty often.

To put this issue to rest I will say that people would do better at a undesirable posistion then to live on welfare.

But utilizing welfare till they can provide is a valid solution. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/4/10


Cluny

You can tell because when they get to check out they pull out a EBT card to purchase there items.

And anyone who can function daily and perform tasks in day to day life should be able to find gainful employment in some field.

My wife teaches for UOP online and many people who cant labor could do something like this.

And AGAIN I will say I am all for helping those who cant help themselves.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/4/10


\\Im talking about a liberal WORLD VIEW\\

"Liberal world view" sounds like "traditional family values"--just another buzz phrase that nimbly escapes the garden of meaning. Great rhetoric, but doesn't signify anything definite.

What do YOU mean by "liberal world view," paul?
---Cluny on 12/4/10


But it's estimated that by 2020: Welfare, WIC,SS, Medicare and Medicaid will comprise the entire US budget... ---Donna66 on 12/3/10

Tell us Donna..just who is it that "estimated" this? The same republicans that gave us voodoo economics?
---NurseRobert on 12/4/10


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But I challenge you to go to a discount food store on the first and set in the parking lot.

You will see able bodied people one after another taking full advantage.

And that's just one example.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/3/10
Are you suggesting that able bodied people cannot go through hard times?
---francis on 12/3/10


Francis

I'm afraid your missing the point.

I'm not talking about liberal giving, I am for helping people out.

I Pastor a church that feeds many homeless every weekend who are down on their luck and need a hand.

Im talking about a liberal WORLD VIEW, that says its ok to do contrary to Gods Word.

You cant be for killing innocent babies and gays marrying and say you stand on the side of Christ.

I apologize if I'm some how not articulating my point.

Hope this helps and I pray your not a proud liberal in that since.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/3/10


I'm so used to fraud and waste in government programs I would not discontinue them just because of that.

But it's estimated that by 2020: Welfare, WIC,SS, Medicare and Medicaid will comprise the entire US budget... Nothing for education, transportation, highways, defense, scientific research, the space program etc etc.
Apparently that would also eliminate pay for elected officials (A lot of things would change if these politicians had to "volunteer"!)

I have trouble imagining this, however, because in only a few years,at the rate we are going, we will be in the same shape as Greece (with debt reaching 90% of GNP) or Ireland and GB. When will governments learn they can't promise people whatever they want forever?
---Donna66 on 12/3/10


"But I challenge you to go to a discount food store on the first and set in the parking lot. You will see able bodied people one after another taking full advantage. ...I'm not for causing children to suffer at the hand of entitlement minded parents either." ~Paul

Just a suggestion, Paul, be careful when judging another person's mindset or their personal situation when standing on the outside looking in.
---AlwaysOn on 12/3/10


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\\I have seen both sides of this issue first hand numerous times and have found abuse case after case. \\

How many cases have you see, paul? Be as specific as you can.

\\You will see able bodied people one after another taking full advantage.\\

How can you tell that many of these people you think are able-bodied are actually on some kind of welfare or disability? Do you give them physical exams?

One man I know (not the first I referred to) looks as healthy as a pig, but is in dreadful pain from fibro, has a dx of SMI, and is unable to work at all.
---Cluny on 12/4/10


I AM PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL.

We liberals do acknoledge that:Deuteronomy 15:11 the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand (LIBERALLY) wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.

We know that some fraud takes place, we pray those those who use us.
James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled, notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body, what doth it profit?
---francis on 12/3/10


Cluny

There is an insurmountable amount of fraud in our systems.

I have seen both sides of this issue first hand numerous times and have found abuse case after case.

I think God for the ones who need it such as your friend.

But I challenge you to go to a discount food store on the first and set in the parking lot.

You will see able bodied people one after another taking full advantage.

And that's just one example.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/3/10


Francis

I am for helping the helpless as I before stated.

And I'm not for causing children to suffer at the hand of entitlement minded parents either.

I desire a change to take place starting in our schools to re-educate pupils into being producers of goods and not just a consumers of goods.

Why is it that foreigners come here and excel so well?

Our country is the greatest opportunistic country in the world,

I just wish more people would take advantage of the opportunities. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/3/10


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\\But i would never stop helping one poor person, becaue of the ten who use these programs wrongly.\\

Contrary to what some people think, there is VERY LITTLE welfare or disability fraud.

Of course, there is no system devised by man that cannot be gotten around if someone is determined to get around it.

I know someone on disability who spent most of his life serving Christ on a pittance (or less) until his health broke down. He didn't even build up Social Security.

He now gets $674 in SSI and $40 in food stamps. I dare anyone here to live on that little.
---Cluny on 12/3/10


Paul
I do agree that some people do become dependant on this programs: Healthy people who could find work, that is not good.

But as a christians, am obligated to
Luke 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

But i would never stop helping one poor person, becaue of the ten who use these programs wrongly.

I would not stop programs like food stamps, WIC, social security, Medicaid, medicare, low income government subsidized housing, unemployment insurance because of some evil people,s fraud. Would you?.
---francis on 12/3/10


Francis

I think your makeing my point better then I ever could.

You realize all those programs you mentioned have caused many scores of people to become dependent upon government to meet there needs.

We need to prepare and secure our own future and work with our own hands. 1 Cor 4:12 and Eph 4:28

Im not opposed to helping the helpless,
I m opposed to government teaching people they don't have to help themselves unless it is things they have not earned for themselves.

And modern liberality is not only about giving it is more about taking and increasing there power in government with programs that for the most part are contrary to God

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/3/10


I think in our era we have forgotten how one party got the name Liberal, while the other got the ame conservitive.

The Democrats got the name LIBERAL, because they were willing to spend government funds LIBERALLY on the poorest people. They came up with very LIBERAL programs like food stamps, WIC, social security, Medicaid, medicare, low income government subsidized housing, unemployment insurance and several more.

Now as an individual no christian in america could support that many people, neither are the combined efforts of all our churches caring for that many people with that many programs.

so YES I AM PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL if it means my TAX DOLLARS go to help the poorest of my fellow christians!!!
---francis on 12/3/10


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\\So a true chrisitan has NOTHING to do with politics no matter if you believe in demecrats,republican or libral or all the others.\\

Are you saying that the Puritans and Pilgrims were not true Christians?

How about the Founding Fathers?

If they were not "true Christians", doesn't this mean that the USA is NOT a Christian country (or founded on Christianity) after all?
---Cluny on 12/3/10


2 Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your LIBERAL distribution unto them, and unto all men,

Is this not why Democrats are called LIBERALS in the first place, because they give to poor christians and ALL PEOPLE LIBERALLY?
---francis on 12/3/10


Sag--
What "churches" bash the Democrats? Some Christians may, but most "churches" do not lest they lose their tax exempt status. (radio and TV ministries don't have to worry about this).
Actually, we did prosper under Reagan... but that doesn't mean Republicans have all the answers (however it's obvious the Democrats don't!)

The genius of a two party system is that tends to minimize the influence of extreme "left" or "right".
---Donna66 on 12/2/10


Candice

You seem like a nice Lady, but you will need to back the statement that "true Christians" don't participate in politics up with more than an opinion.

Please give us some scriptural references to substantiate this point of view.

Thanx, Paul
---paul on 12/2/10


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Candace-- How do you figure "politics is against God"?
Politics embodies the one process by which ordinary people can affect changing or correcting our government. We have been given the right to vote.
Is there something ungodly about this?
---.Donna66 on 12/2/10


true chrisitans belong to God, though we are told to obey the laws of the land we are also told NOT to go against God. politics is against God. So a true chrisitan has NOTHING to do with politics no matter if you believe in demecrats,republican or libral or all the others.
---candice on 12/2/10


\\Cluny your incredible stretch of scripture (and I assume you must have been up ALL night trying to find a verse to cover yourself) \\

Wrong.

All I did was to go to an internet Bible site and type in the word "liberal."

Don't you just HATE it when the Word of God disagrees with you?
---Cluny on 12/1/10


Cluny-- I believe "liberal" in the verses you quote actually means something eqivalent to "generous". There is nothing political in this. And "political liberals" are no more generous than "conservatives".

In fact, ABC news recently reported a
study that showed Republicans being more generous in all areas than Democrats (even though the mean income of Rupublicans was slightly less than that of Democrats.)

WOW. Two stereotypes debunked at one time!
---Donna66 on 12/1/10


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Why do people mix politics with the gospel and call their faith by a secular term that is attributed to political parties?
We are supposed to be part of a kingdom without any other terms and views other than the word of God.
If any man speak let him speak as the oracles of God.
This is one area where Christians have brought secular terms into the gospel and the result I have witnessed are non-believers using those terms to speak about Christians.
Our faith should be the word of God.
Nothing added.
Nothing taken away.
---Frank on 12/1/10


I believe that the results of the recent elections will answer this blog question.

Many churches bash Democrats as being "too Liberal" and the CAUSE of all the USAs problems. For example, President Barack Obama.

Well, now that Republicans are in charge of things, I can't wait to see how they'll SOLVE all the USAs problems.

My guess is that the Conservative Republicans will be "no better" than the Liberal Democrats. Maybe even WORSE.

Look at what 30 years of Reaganomics has accomplished. Brilliant results or dismal ones. It depends on who you talk to.
---Sag on 12/2/10


Cluny

Jesus did say His kingdom is not of this world but it is of the world to come.

Then He went on to teach many ways to prepare for and build the kingdom to come.
I dont know why we would take issue with partaking in government affairs Prov 29:2. We are blessed to have a voice in government in this country.
We also find Mary and Joseph partaking in governmental affairs, that's when Jesus was born was during the process. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/1/10


obewan

I appreciate your view and disagree, but I will not interact with hostility. God Bless,Paul
---paul on 12/1/10


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Larry

Though I sympathies with the persecuted from our past, I would say we have came a long way since then. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/1/10


The Bible is strictly non-partisan. I don't believe anyone can really make a case biblically for either liberal or conservative views. There are scriptures that can be used to support aspects of both.

I never act politically contrary to to the Word of God as I understand it. Other peoeple apply or interpret the Word somewhat differently. Their politics, I assume, reflects that.
---Donna66 on 12/1/10


Cluny your incredible stretch of scripture (and I assume you must have been up ALL night trying to find a verse to cover yourself) is by all means laughable. A real attempt to find something, ANYTHING in scripture to justify your liberal sin.

I think its called Prooftexting.

The only time I laughed more is when Obewan does his posts. His stretch is at the level of pure insanity.

And so.... as the Real Obewan said...

"Who is more foolish? The fool? Or the fool that follows"?

LOL!!!
---John on 12/1/10


God uses politics to bring about his will.
Christ came to Earth at the appointed time when the Roman and Jewish politics were set for His crucifixion.
Moreover the timeframe and politics in place made Paul the perfect choice to bring the gospel to the Gentiles. A Pharisee that was also a Roman citizen? Amazing power and timing of our Lord and Creator!!
---micha9344 on 12/1/10


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Deuteronomy 15:14
Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.

Proverbs 11:25
The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.

Isaiah 32:5
The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

Isaiah 32:8
But the liberal deviseth liberal things, and by liberal things shall he stand.
---Cluny on 12/1/10


Why even ask the question if you are already so biased as to insist that a "liberal" view is "contrary" to the Word of God.

I bet if Jesus were here today there are many who would consider him a "liberal".

There are many examples of Christians who could be called "liberals". Jimmy Carter, Tony Compolo, even Billy Graham.

The question is ignorant in my opinion.
---obewan on 12/1/10


Donna

I appreciate your candor and say you speak the realistic truth.
---paul on 12/1/10


Amen Cluny...
All I know is back in the 50's when my mother was not allowed to stay on campus at Moody Bible Institute it was liberal chrstians that ran to her rescue.
Though my mother is conservative in doctrine, it was the conservatives who upheld the no black/white roommates allowed, spoken in their conservative religious smugness.
She decided back then "why vote with people who don't want to worship with you." That is the most stunning indictment on the hypocrisy of mixing politics and faith I have ever heard, and I never forget her words on election day.
She commuted and attended anyway, got her second masters at another seminary and her best friends are white.
Case closed.
---larry on 12/1/10


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A liberal? He is one who thinks a person who pays 50% of his income in taxes and supports charitable causes is "selfish", if he doesn't volunteer to give more. And whatever that person makes, someone else is "entitled" to it.

He fatalistically believes that people have have no influence on whether they are rich or poor...it's just good or bad luck. Has nothing to do with effort or time.

He believes that resources are so limited that if one person prospers, someone must suffer loss.

He believes that most people (i.e. conservatives) are too stupid to know what's good for them without the government telling them. The government is always smarter, more efficient and capable than anyone.
---Donna66 on 12/1/10


it is not based on your political view its about your character & how you treat others.
some christians think that the more holier they are, the more blessings they receive or the more blessings they have they think they are holier. with that attitude they bec. arrogant. when you have a change of heart even if you are rich & famous you give out an attitude of humility.
---mike on 12/1/10


For those of y ou who try to identify Christianity with a political stance, remember that Jesus said, "My Kingdom is NOT of this world."
---Cluny on 12/1/10
AMEN
---francis on 12/1/10


I don't think we can afford to be liberal christians. Either we are for Christ, or we are against him. No fence splitting. Either/or. We should hate the things God hates and love the things God loves. We can't be for God today and against Him tomorrow. Again---either/or. No in between. Christianity and politics does not mix. It can, but it makes for a very messy belief system. I simply vote(my civic duty) but my trust is in God,ultimately.
---Robyn on 12/1/10


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If you're referring to the major political parties in the USA, Democrats and Republicans, I would have to say NO.

Jesus Christ was neither of those. ALL folks are human beings that are prone to fall into sinful behaviors. That has happened to both Democrats, and Republicans, surprisingly.

Why is that? Because all Liberals, and Conservatives, whatever their political party labels, are still sinful people.

A Christian belief system surpasses any WORLDLY, or man made, system.

I constantly pray that the USA government will come to SEE just that.
---Augie on 12/1/10


Politics is not Christian and so the Americentric definition of liberal and conservative must be thrown back in Satan's lair before the question can be answered intelligently.
Biblically we are to be liberal in our giving, our time, our prayers, our patience, our forgiveness, etc.
Scripture commands social modesty never political conservatism. Saul before Paul was a religious conservative. Yuck!
Our Father can't be defined in terms of politics or ideology and neither should "his" children be defined by such nonsense.
---larry on 12/1/10


Great posts guys thanks for weighing in on it.
I don't feel a true Christ follower can identify himself with a liberal social world view for as it was so elegantly put it is a contradiction in terms or a oxymoron to say liberal Christian.
Political stance is not the point but merely a byproduct of a world view. Though I feel one will and should vote according to there view.
Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments and His spirit will dwell in you. He also said without His spirit your none of His. So accurately put you can do what you want but I feel you cant be a liberally motivated Christ follower and not cheat one of you belief systems. A house divided my friends. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/1/10


You can do anything you like, justifying it is another matter.
---Pharisee on 12/1/10


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For those of y ou who try to identify Christianity with a political stance, remember that Jesus said, "My Kingdom is NOT of this world."
---Cluny on 12/1/10


the pharisees believed that they are they descendants of moses & they are holy, rich & when you are outside of their clique you are labeled with so many names.

didn't christ hate the arrogant, powerful bec. of their status, pride.

didn't christ eat with sinners, heal the sick on a sabbath, proclaimed the good news to the poor?

while the rich & powerful distanced themselves from the 'dirty sinners', then tested christ so they can trap him then kill him.

the 'religious traditions' of the pharisees were in opposition with what christ practiced.
sounds familiar
---mike on 12/1/10


Leslie, I agree also. There are some liberal issues that are good for everyone that do not go against the Word of God that could be helpful, but many of the issues don't. The conservatives are not all that great either, but their main theme is righteous. So long as there is sin, a lot of stuff goes on in both sides. But we need more issues concerning the faith to go through for everything of God is good.
---Mark_V. on 12/1/10


I love it, Leslie! Have a great day as unto the Lord. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 12/1/10


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You can ONLY if you rename yourself a FALSE Christian, FALSE teacher, FALSE prophet, or one that has a spirit of Anti-Christ. Like the word "jumbo-shrimp", the word "liberal-Christian" is an oxymoron - in other words there is NO such thing, unless you are a FALSE convert (not a true Christian). This is because the liberal philosophy goes AGAINST the Bible in EVERY way. Since Christ is the Bible made flesh, you cannot go against the Bible and call yourself one that belongs to Christ (Christian).
---Leslie on 12/1/10


Deep subjects: Not a liberal world view. However, God is fair. For example: GODD will give the Right to go to hell, if that is what you want, my friends. There will be no excuse, in- which God will be willing to except on the "Great Judgment day". Don't you find it interesting that God calls it, "The Great Judgment Day"! On with the question: For a Christian there is only one way to leave this world. Obedience: To God, and to God's word. Two obediences: God directly and the word of God. [Not everything about God was recorded]. Obey Him, even if you are in disagreement with Him. Which from time to time you may be. Takes great faith. God does not give us the right to vote. Hallelujah. Hallelujah, Thank You, Jesus+
---catherine on 12/1/10


Can a Christian belief system support a liberal world view.
Yes.
Can you politically act contrary to the Word of God?
I do not, but many people do, both conservatives and liberals.
---Eloy on 12/1/10


As I've said whenever this dead horse is brought out to be re-flogged, all of us are liberal in some ways and conservative in others.

What or who is liberal, conservative, and moderate depends on your perspective.

And as one history teacher said, "Today's liberal is tomorrow's conservative."

There was a time when getting involved in WW2 was considered a LIBERAL idea. True conservatives were isolationists.
---Cluny on 12/1/10


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Paul, you must be talking about liberals as far as on political issues here in the USA. If that is the case the answer as far as I am concern is a big 'No." The more you give in your believes the less you are conforming to what Christ wants us to be. Our rights should go out the door when we committed to Christ, and we should be expressing the laws of God in our heart. In every issue, we should be of one mind. But that is not the case because many are thinking of what is best for them. While we still have to live in the world, we don't have to act like the world.
---Mark_V. on 12/1/10


NO!!!!

Liberalism is a Religious Satanic Cult. That is diametrically oppossed to Christianity.

It will embrace all religions except Christianity

It endorses all perversions and Murdering of the Unborn and babies up to six months.

Its god is government.

Its Messiah is Obama

Its High Priest is the Daly Lama

Its angels reside in San Francisco.

It continues to rearrange Gender roles and destroy Marriage.

Its Heaven is a Jungle(ooops Rain Forest) in South America.

Its scripture is Political Correctness

It wishes to preserve Satans Throne, the earth, but G-d will burn it.
---JOHN on 11/30/10


Define liberal world view.
What do you contrast liberal world view with?

Give a few examples of both so that we can al be talking about the same thing.
---francis on 11/30/10


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