ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

Sure Of Your Salvation

How can we be sure of our salvation?

Join Our Christian Penpals and Take The Salvation Bible Quiz
 ---mima on 12/2/10
     Helpful Blog Vote (1)

Post a New Blog



Here's a little History:

Puritans, came to America for economic reasons. Not because of Persecution.

Many migrants to New England who had looked for greater religious freedom found the Puritan theocracy to be repressive.

Puritans came with the idea of setting up a Theocratic Governing body.

Many Puritans were also Freemasons.

The mixture of a Theocratic Government along with the philosophy of Freemasonry,( Building AKA Babylon, really Mystery Babylon..((the Tower of Babbel)) is the driving force behind Dominionism.

This too is the driving force behind anti-christ.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/10


Eloy //A supernatural changed life is evidence of God's salvation.


Very true, but even the Christian still can bow to temptation.

Consider the testimonies of many godly pastors who have destroyed their ministry because they got involved in affairs.

We are warned to watch out for we also may fall under temptation.

1Co 10:12 Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.
---leej on 12/8/10


A supernatural changed life is evidence of God's salvation.
---Eloy on 12/8/10


//The only people who are "sure" of their salvation are the Fundi-MENTALS.

And those who really know the Bible and its Author can also be sure of their salvation.

Php. 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

John fails to understand that is it God who seeks in His love to make himself known to those who would believe on His Son Jesus who died at the Cross and arose again for our salvation.
---leej on 12/8/10


//The only people who are "sure" of their salvation are the Fundi-MENTALS//

Why would you hate a free gift that God is trying to give you?

Too much pride to accept it? Not willing to admit that you need it? What exactly is the problem, Pastor_Jim?
---JackB on 12/8/10




donna66, I'M not Calling Calvinists wicked, You guys are calling yourselves wicked.

I know you are an intelligent woman who can read and understand.

So please go back and read in teh context it was written.

I said YOU all are calling yourselves wicked. Why?

God never made a covenant with America or any other Gentile nation. And stealing what God spoke to Isreal alone is why you all insist YOU need to turn from your wicked ways.

My Personal relationship with Christ has no bearing whatsoever on America. And america's wicked ways have no bearing on me. I may get killed spreading the Gospel to whosoever will. Let's hope it's not the Calvinists who do the murdering!
---kathr4453 on 12/8/10


Kath4453--I've never heard a "prosperity message" in a Reformed Church...NEVER.
And why you call Calvinists "wicked", I don't understand. It just makes you sound angry and bitter.
---Donna66 on 12/7/10


The only people who are "sure" of their salvation are the Fundi-MENTALS.

First they Make a Decision for Jesus. Than after THEY APPROVE of Jesus, they do the 1 minute sinners prayer(get out of hell) ticket.

And then they are saved and life is just beautiful,rosy and bubbly.

Hmmm .."nice potluck, who needs to care about ....(what was his name?) oh yea Jesus. That was guy who fought those legalistic Jews for Old Glory and died in the Cavalry."
---John on 12/7/10


Prosperity theology (aka known as prosperity doctrine) is a religious belief....centered on the notion God provides material prosperity for those he favors.

Prosperity theology is most commonly found within the charismatic and pentecostal traditions of Christianity although not exclusive to these traditions. In some countries, adherence to prosperity gospel beliefs is more common amongst charismatics than the practice of speaking in tongues. The teaching is based on interpretations of certain Biblical verses such as: Malachi 3:10 - Deuteronomy 8:18 ,John 10: 10, 3 John 2-4 [source: Wikepedia]

Kathr4453, Donna is correct, I would back out of this one and admit you missed the bullseye totally - far from any Calvinist beliefs.
---leej on 12/7/10


Yes Donna66, ALL prosperity teachers take their prosperity teachings from Israel's earthly bblessings given only to Israel attached to the Land God gave them.God blessed the land as well as them.

Reformed believe America is God's New promise Land and We are God's new chosen people, believe OUR LAND and we are blessed via obedience.

And foolishly believe and pray:

If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and trun from THEIR wicked ways, I will heal their land.

That was spoken to Israel out of their disobedience.

OUR LAND obviously by your standards is defiled because YOU calvinists are wicked and disobedient. Well then, REPENT!
---kathr4453 on 12/7/10




Dear Protestants, the attempts to suppress the Gospel are strong. Let us go and protest (contend) for the true Christian faith. Amen.
---Kev on 12/7/10


KEV, teh term Protestant means PROTEST Catholicism.

Now those who are followers of Christ are called CHRISTIANS or disciples of Christ.

Those who contend for the faith are called THE FAITHFUL AND TRUE!!


And if anyone needed the Reformation to KNOW Sola is OBEDIENCE to God's word, man are they a day late and a dollar short!

---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


2 Peter chapter 1 tells us about Making our calling and election sure.
Here is just a piece of it.

Verses 5-7
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, and to virtue knowledge, And to knowledge temperance, and to temperance patience, and to patience godliness, And to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness charity.
---ginger on 12/7/10


//Calvin has nothing to do with Scripture. He didn't write it, he studied it and taught it.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/10
//

And supposedly had the same Spirit all Christians have... so why take HIS word for what scripture means?
Following a man to the point that people would name their denomination after him takes a sinful man and places him in the position of a god. A man whose life obviously wasnt changed by the salvation that he preached.

By their fruit ye shall know them. Why follow the teachings of someone that doesnt even bear the likeness of Jesus Christ?
---JackB on 12/7/10


kathr4453--Oddly, all the "prosperity teachers" I've encountered over the past 20 yrs. are Arminians, NOT Calvinists. They are not Presbyterians and Baptists...They are "full gospel" AOG and independent churches whose doctrine is far from Calvinism. Can you explain this?
---Donna66 on 12/7/10


I agree with---kathr4453 on 12/7/10
---mima on 12/7/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Mortgages


"Protestant" means to protest (contend) for the truth.

Apostle Paul protested (contended) for the Christian faith.

The Apostles and early Christians protested (contended) for the Christian faith, and were persecuted and martyred. Some were racked. Burned at the stake. Fed to lions.

William Tyndale (a true Christian man) translated the Bible out of the Hebrew and Greek originals, and was ultimately martyred. His excellent Bible translation stirred up anger in the RCC simply because William Tyndale translated the Greek word as ''Congregation.'' Instead of ''Church''.

Dear Protestants, the attempts to suppress the Gospel are strong. Let us go and protest (contend) for the true Christian faith. Amen.
---Kev on 12/7/10


OKOK leeJ, yes, it is important to KNOW these things to AVOID it completely!

Protestantism is also POLITICAL .
Calvinism was the First prosperity teacher. He in fact is the God-father of the Prosperity movement. Believing themselves to Be the New Israel with all of Israels earthly blessings. OUR blessings are not here but Heaven!
Calvinist concept and his perception of material success as a sign of divine election,
Materialism is the underlying Protestant emphasis on earthly prosperity,
And Egalitarian ideas all are traceable to Protestantism,
---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


Kathr4458 //I'm not a PROTESTANT."

It is truly a matter of definition. The one is my dictionary states:

A protestant is a" member of church rejecting papal authority: a member or adherent of any denomination of the Western Christian church that rejects papal authority and some fundamental Roman Catholic doctrines, and believes in justification by faith."

So if you are not a Roman Catholic but proclaim yourself to be a Christian you are a Protestant.

Frankly, I always tell others that I am simply a Christian with Biblical persuasions.

And many of us recognize that God can violate denominational walls as we find viable testimonies even among Roman Catholics.
---leej on 12/7/10


I do not need to even understand all you listed leej to OBEY Sola. I'm no more interested in the RCC stuff than the Mormon stuff or the JW stuff! Non of it is in scripture. I don't need a reformation to tell me that!

Scripture teaches scripture PERIOD! Yesterday today and tomorrow!

Sola Scriptura, or Scripture Alone: This affirms the Biblical doctrine that the Bible alone is the sole authority for all matters of faith and practice. Scripture and Scripture alone is the standard by which all teachings and doctrines of the church must be measured.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Personal Loans


Let me ask you leej, was Paul or John or James Protestant..NO!!!

Was Abraham protestant? NO!

Was Jesus protestant? NO!

leej, what you are saying is you have NO FAITH but in men of the reformation telling you what to believe.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


leej, your definition of Protestant also means Mormons, JW, SDA, Orthodox Jews, atheists etc are protestant.

They all Protest RCC theology don't they?

---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


I'm not protesting against the RCC either, they can do what they want. "Protestant" may describe some, but to class people is another way to divide people. People saying, "I am of this group, or that group," distracts from having a focus on Christ.
---Rod4HIm on 12/7/10


kathr4453 //The Only Doctrine I believe was established long before the reformation!

To name a few -

prayers for the dead 300 A.D.

Veneration fo angels & dead saints & use of images - 320 a.d.

The Mass as a daily celebration - 394 a.d

Exaltation of Mary and prayers to her as "mother of God" - 431 a.d., 600 a.d.

Canonization of dead saints - 965 a.d.

Sale of indulgences - 1190 a.d.

The Rosary, invented by Peter the Hermit - 1090 a.d.

Transubstaniation, proclaimed by the Holy Father in Rome - 1215 a.d.

Auricular Confession of sins to a priest - 1215 a.d.

Too bad we are limited to only 125 words.
---leej on 12/7/10


Shop For Church Fundraisers


kath4453-- The elect ARE ungodly until they are brought to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.
And even after they are justified, being human, they may sometimes act in ungodly ways for which the Lord must discipline them.
---Donna66 on 12/7/10


kath4453--//no where in scripture does any scripture say God justifies the elect.//

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
---Donna66 on 12/7/10


//I think there is something you really need to understand here. I'm not a PROTESTANT.

yes, some are much like designer jeans wishing not to identify themselves with any denominaiton.

They simply are such misfits that have no desire to benefit from what others have learned as they scorn the teachers the Lord has given to His church. Hebrews 10:24-25

However, as they grew to maturity, they will start to realize that it is not the will of the Lord for them to be lone ranger christians but to identify with others in the body of Christ.
---leej on 12/7/10


Perseverance of the Saints - The precise ones God has elected and drawn to Himself through the Holy Spirit will persevere in faith. None whom God has elected will be lost, they are eternally secure (John 10:27-29, Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:3-14).

yes kathr, one of Calvin's 5 points does deal with eternal security.

John 10:27f refers to the fact that Christ will not lose any of His sheep.

Romans 8:29f speaks of those whom He has predestined, he also called and those who He called he justified (declared to be righteous) and He will also glorify.

and finally Eph. 1:3f that He has chosen us before the foundation of the world and predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
---leej on 12/7/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Auto Insurance


# Ephesians 4:14
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive,
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,


Donna66, We are not to be tossed around by New and different doctrines that came out of the reformation.

These are doctrines of devils.

The Only Doctrine I believe was established long before the reformation!
---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


kathr4453//And it was leej who insisted on revivals for Christians. I was questioning such practices.

I merely commented that some churches strongly believe in revivals. Nowhere have I posted that I insisted on or even approved such a practice.

Historians and theologians identify three or four waves of religious revivals occurring from the early 18th century to the late 20th century, each characterized by widespread revivals led by evangelical Protestant ministers, a sharp increase of interest in religion, a profound sense of conviction and redemption on the part of those affected, a jump in evangelical church membership, and the formation of new religious movements and denominations.
---leej on 12/7/10


comment on the verses in revelations which i also posted.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 12/6/10

Rev 14:12 concludes with verse 13...The ones who actually KEEP the commandments are those who have DIED in the Lord that God's works follow.

Rev 22: Well, I've already been translated out of this present evil age into The Kingdom of His dear Son.

Jesus is MY tree of Life right now!
---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


Because God is the One who justifies the elect, no one can bring any condemnation on them.

Arminians are the ones that depend on works, continual effort and "revival" since they believe in "conditional" perserverance.
---Donna66 on 12/7/10

I agree to teh 2nd point donna66, however no where in scripture does any scripture say God justifies the elect.

God Justifies the UNGODLY, not the Elect.

But if men in the 1500's re-rwote scripture and you believe THEM, you are in trouble.

God Justifies UNGODLY MEN!!

And it was leej who insisted on revivals for Christians. I was questioning such practices.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Holidays


kathr4453 on 12/4/10

comment on the verses in revelations which i also posted.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 12/6/10


// Do you believe that Christ died for every soul in the world only for many to end up in hell because they never chose Him?//---Christan


Yep, cuz thats what the Bible teaches. Although Christ died for every man (Heb 2:9), many will harden their hearts (Heb 3:8,15 4:7) to the Holy Spirit and not receive the love of the truth (2 Thes 2:10).

They burn for rejecting the Son of God - not because He didnt love them enought to die for their sins (Heb 10:29).
---JackB on 12/7/10


kathr4453...I don't understand you.Perserverance of the saints is not a work of Christians, but of God.
This doctrine is also closely related to the doctrine of justification and adoption. Because God is the One who justifies the elect, no one can bring any condemnation on them. In the same way because those who truly believe in Christ are adopted as God's sons, they cannot be condemned to eternal punishment (although subject to God's loving discipline as a Father).

Arminians are the ones that depend on works, continual effort and "revival" since they believe in "conditional" perserverance.
---Donna66 on 12/7/10


leej, I think there is something you really need to understand here. I'm not a PROTESTANT. Protestant means to protest Catholicism. You see, my roots were never in the RCC to protest them to begin with.

What I am leej is a Born Again Christian. My roots go all the way back to Abraham, my spiritual forfather.

And the Church I belong to began 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The 12- 1500's didn't CHANGE/ALTER one word written in Scripture.

The Word of God didn't change in the 1500's correct? So I'm not stuck there like you are stuck in history in the 1500's...I'm way beyond the 1500's...you see, you're stuck down here in History, and I'm up here hidden with God in Christ sealed with the Holy Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Health Insurance


It is hard to teach Scripture to someone who didn't have any faith or repentance, or any kind of remorse for rebelling against God when they committed to Christ. Why commit if she didn't do anything wrong? Why did she even need a Savior? It is also hard to teach that same person when that person does not believe that God brings life to the lost, for she said,
"Here's the thing. MarkV, leej ets believe God waved his magic wand giving New life walla.
How can you teach someone who doesn't believe that it is God who brings life and the dead in Christ to life? It is impossible. If you put Scripture, she says it's from Calvin. Calvin has nothing to do with Scripture. He didn't write it, he studied it and taught it.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/10


So leej, the CALVIN doctrine of PERSEVERANCE is based on works correct.

Meaning you have to WORK hard to make sure you perseveres, and without revivals, reviving those who are falling asleep at the wheel, or close to DEATH need a cattle prod occasionally reminding them of their election.

So Calvinists DO disobey God??? And is this called God's foreknowledge of Your disobedience?
---kathr4453 on 12/6/10


"How can we be sure of your salvation?"

We are warned: Matthew 24:5 "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many." 6 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Only the elect will not be fooled.

Which Christ is preached before you? Which Christ do you believe? Do you believe that Christ died for every soul in the world only for many to end up in hell because they never chose Him? Or do you believe that He only died for those whom His Father gave to Him?

Only true faith from the Spirit of God will lead you to Jesus.
---christan on 12/6/10


kathr4453 //Yep, I've sat in those churches...guilt guilt guilt laid on the ELECT. But if you truly are the ELECT, God has promised to THOROUGHLY finish what He began!

Yes, I have observed that as when I was a single parent I attended the church where my babysitter went. The preacher would really focus on their sin and get them to cry all over the altar in their repentance.

However, the money kept flowing in!

I never doubted my salvation as my initial experience with Christ was somewhat dynamic.
---leej on 12/6/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Dating


kathr4453 //And you suggest I need Calvin? For what?

If you view the fact that Calvin's Institutes were the basis for most of the theology of most Protestant churches, his works are worth studying.

But, to put things in the proper perspective, one should recognize that theologians often differed in their interpretation of scripture so we need not agree with everything they wrote.

I find problems with the Westminister Confessions as they too much reflect the narrow and often unsubstantial Puritan beliefs. Puritans believed the Jewish Sabbath is applicable to Christians but changed by Christ to Sunday, the Lord's day. Calvin felt the Sabbath was abrogated. I believe Calvin's view is more cogent on that issue.
---leej on 12/6/10


If a person is truly saved they should have biblical evidence of that salvation.

There should be repentance
There should be saving faith..faith that includes works
There should be evidence of the Holy Spirit within a person's life
There lives should line up with scripture
There should be a witness from the Holy Spirit that tells that person they are indeed a child of God

But most importantly friends..We have to be sure of the integrity of our Savior Jesus/Yahushua!

He promised that if we truly believe in him..that we will not perish but have everlasting life...He prosmised that if we come to him, he will in no wise cast us out...

If we really repent and trust..there will be real evidence that we are saved.
---L_Will on 12/6/10


Sorry Kathr4456, but old Calvin was a strong believer in Scripture, especially when it came to the sovereignty of God and the doctrine of the Elect.

You would do well to study Calvinism.
---leej on 12/5/10


it's obvious leej that the Calvin's elect need revivals. The true Elect do not.

And you suggest I need Calvin? For what? To undermine my relationship with Christ, telling me at some alter call what a bad dog I am, and need to re-commit . Yep, I've sat in those churches...guilt guilt guilt laid on the ELECT. But if you truly are the ELECT, God has promised to THOROUGHLY finish what He began!
---kathr4453 on 12/6/10


//WE bear FRUIT. You all only produce fruit-cakes!
---kathr4453 on 12/6/10//

Thanks for the laugh :D
---JackB on 12/6/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Health Treatments


//And leej, haven't you read Hebrews 6, those who were once enlightened, YOU CALL the Born Again experience cannot be revived again to repentance, if they claim they were once revived or Born Again. Your re-revival only brings forth MORE WEEDS!

???????????????

Hebrews 6 speaks of those of Jewish Christians who were considering going back into the old Jewish or Mosaic system of sacrificial worship.

I do not do revivals but you will find that in many of the holiness churches. They feel that it is useful in bringing people back into focus on their spirituality.

As to repentence, that certainly is an element in our sanctification, is it not? As the Holy Spirit continues to correct us in order to perfect us.
---leej on 12/6/10


And leej, haven't you read Hebrews 6, those who were once enlightened, YOU CALL the Born Again experience cannot be revived again to repentance, if they claim they were once revived or Born Again. Your re-revival only brings forth MORE WEEDS!

Or are you suggesting one can be BORN AGAIN...((your term for revival)) more than once.

Again however you want to correctly use or mis- use Born Again, The Living do not need resuscitating.

See, the True elect only need to Be Born again ONCE, and God's Faithfulness takes it from there. WE bear FRUIT. You all only produce fruit-cakes!
---kathr4453 on 12/6/10


Many people never learn or hear about the seal placed on you by the Holy Spirit at the time of conversion. These people are subject to being whipped about, bad mouthed, by controlling people in many churches.
---mima on 12/6/10


Actually leej, what you are talking about is religion. SAVED people should never need revival if they are saved. Revivals are for the LOST!

Once a person has surrendered their life to Christ there will NEVER be a need for revival in that person's life or the need to RE COMMITT.

That's what happens in those churches who never preached the TRUE Gospel to begin with, never have any true faith in God and try to REVIVE themselves.

And, markv, if God created you rebellious, why then are you apologizing to God for creating you that way, is the clay now arguing with the potter?
---kathr4453 on 12/6/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Affiliate Program


//Often Churches will ask their congregation to re-commit their lives again.

And many churches sponsor what they call revivals - a time to re-assess or renew ones spirituality or standing with God.

As to our salvation, that is a free gift to all who would believe.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. Romans 8,30

Sorry Kathr4456, but old Calvin was a strong believer in Scripture, especially when it came to the sovereignty of God and the doctrine of the Elect.

You would do well to study Calvinism.
---leej on 12/5/10


---kathr4453 on 12/5/10

that was a good post.
---aka on 12/5/10


I've heard people say they have committed their lives to Christ, and 2 years later re-commit their lives. Often Churches will ask their congregation to re-committ their lives again.

Actually being aware of your sin and committing your life to Christ is not salvation and does not result in salvation. God does not Justify anyone who committs their life to Christ.

God justifies an ungodly man who KNOWS he is ungodly ( aware he is a sinner) who places his faith in Jesus Christ for the forgivness of sin. Then that pewson totally surrenders their life to Christ. Surrender and committ are two entirely didfferent things.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/10


Right michael e.
One likes because of what the other does or who they are.
One loves regardless of what they do or who they are.
Matt 5:38-48
---micha9344 on 12/5/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Abortion Facts


Rom.8:14"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."

1. Do you have a hunger for the Word of God? 2. Do you enjoy being with God's people? 3. Do you enjoy prayer time, taking your needs to the Lord? If not, you probably don't have a relationship.

It doesn't depend on how much we love Him, although we're certainly going to love Him. What's more important is, we know how much He loves us!

Col.1:4 "How can I know that Im really saved?" Do you love fellow believers that doesnt mean that every believer is perfect. Theres a difference between love and like. Love is that which seeks the other persons highest good.
I Cor.15:1-4 The Gospel for our salvation
---michael_e on 12/5/10


//How can we be sure of our salvation?//

1 John 5
---JackB on 12/5/10


In order for someone to make sure they are born of the Spirit children of God, and have Christ Atonement, they should ask themselves if they had faith and remorse before they committed their lives to Christ. If they had no conviction in their hearts that they had rebelled against God all of their lives, their commitment is false, If they had no faith either, their commitment was false and they are pretenders. They will be found out later when they leave, and you can witness some of them by their bad fruits. The Love of Christ is missing when they display their behavior. Many are Judiazers knowing the law on the outside but inside they are corrupt. Their hearts were never changed.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/10


Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,

SEE A THEME
---francis on 12/3/10
francis, the theme here in acts 5:32 are thosw who obeyed the Gospel call to salvation are given the Holy Spirit. If it was your way, no one would ever have the Holy Spirit, or would have Him one moment and lose Him the next.

Hebrews5:9 is after vs 8 is talking about the Sufferings of Christ.
He was made perfect through suffering...not keeping the law.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Acne Treatment


I put faith in God when I made a consecration & baptisim. He gave us a free gift through his son. I rest on him only, not myself.
---candice on 12/4/10


\\If the gospel is preached correctly and the individual heart is in the right place who are you to say?
---Pharisee on 12/3/10\\

But this does not change the fact that the modern altar call and invitation hymn are traditions and precepts of men. They are NOWHERE in the Bible.
---Cluny on 12/4/10


This is NOT what the modern form of that altar call is.---Cluny on 12/3/10

If the gospel is preached correctly and the individual heart is in the right place who are you to say?
---Pharisee on 12/3/10


Matthew 7:22 Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

These people believed they would be swaved.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,

SEE A THEME
---francis on 12/3/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Bad Credit Loans


One can be sure of their salvation only one way...biblically!

You must first and foremost, believe in the Son of God, trusting in Him and only Him to do what He has said He would do..He promised to save us and give us eternal life....So we by faith believe its done.

And then second their must come a confirmation, that is a witness from God's Holy Spirit that you are indeed His and saved. This confirmation cannot come from man..but the witness of the Spirit must come from God alone to a person's heart that will grant assurance to that person.

Without the confirmation given by God's Spirit one can never really be sure...
---L_Will on 12/3/10


I believe you can KNOW you have eternal life. 1st John states that you may KNOW you have eternal life.

There are things that happen to you, beyond your own control that PROVE you are saved.

One thing You KNOW, and it is when you have passed from death to life, here and now.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/10


Cluny just this morning I had occasion to pray with a waitress. After the prayer the young woman grasped my hand with both her hands and earnestly said I want to thank you so very very much.
Cluny if there not for many many singular cases(several hundred) for me to fall back on in my mind you might discourage me. However as it is I believe you are blinded to the need, to a method, and to the results of soulwinning
---mima on 12/3/10


\\Penitence at the preaching of the gospel, and people coming in desperation go back to the Baptist's ministry, when even the Pharisees and scribes came to be baptized. It's not called an "alter call" but clearly the same thing is happening.\\

This is NOT what the modern form of that altar call is. It makes the service MAN centered, not God centered.
---Cluny on 12/3/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Bankruptcy


"How can we be sure of our salvation?"
We can be completely confident of this, "He who has begun a good work in [us] will carry it on to completion until the day Christ Jesus [returns]."
"Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward."
---josef on 12/3/10


our only salvation is Jesus Christ. i am not sure of anything, but i am sure of Him.
---aka on 12/2/10


mima, where are altar calls (in the modern novel fundagelicostal sense) in the Bible?
---Cluny on 12/2/10

Penitence at the preaching of the gospel, and people coming in desperation go back to the Baptist's ministry, when even the Pharisees and scribes came to be baptized. It's not called an "alter call" but clearly the same thing is happening.
The word rapture doesn't exist anywhere in the Bible, but Jesus described one to come (the debate is over timing) and Elijah was clearly raptured. I'm all for literalism, but that apart from semantics. I don't see how this objection is valid.
---Pharisee on 12/2/10


We can be sure of our salvation in that we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God. Romans 8:15-17

The Christian is given the Holy Spirit as a down payment or guarantee of our salvation. 2 Cor. 1:22, 5:5, Eph. 1:14
---leej on 12/2/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Cash Advance


Cluny,
Shurely it cannot be considered wrong to invite one to accept Jesus' invitation:
Matthew 11:28-30, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

That is all an altar call, in its purest form, is. Just such an invitation.
---Bruce5656 on 12/2/10


The way we come to terms with our salvation obviously is through faith,but a quick way to check yourself is through self assessment.

Ask yourself if the things you use to do make you feel gratification when you do them now.

If you feel OK committing sin you must ask yourself how this can be.

Jesus said those He loves He rebukes and chastises.
So if you feel like your getting by in the same old man you may still be the same old man, one must ask. God Bless, PAUL
---paul on 12/2/10


\\He said, before I was saved my spirit was uneasy every time I heard an altar call. After I got saved I never again felt uneasy, or pressured, or guilty upon hearing an altar call.\\

mima, where are altar calls (in the modern novel fundagelicostal sense) in the Bible?
---Cluny on 12/2/10


(John 3:3)
Jesus replied, Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.


How can we tell if we have been born again?

(1John 3:9-10)
"Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil.

Believe it or not...., it's your choice.
---David on 12/2/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Credit Counseling


We can be sure of our salvation in the fact that it's a gift, and at no time was it accredited to us according to our meritorious behavior. The design is such that only those who declare moral bankruptcy can attain it, so if this is not the way you came to Christ you have cause for worry.

God has gone the extra mile in placing his spirit within us to testify to and comfort our Spirit so that we can boldly stand and face anything in his strength. Even in failure we can look and see a part of us that would have passed the test, it's the part of us that is part of him, the flesh will fail while the Spirit urges the fight onward. Your faith is tested so you can be sure of HIM and his love for you.
---Pharisee on 12/2/10


1 John 5:13, "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
---Bruce5656 on 12/2/10


"As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:2,3

"For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:8
---christan on 12/2/10


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.