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Ruben //Do you believe that Mary had no other Children? It sure sounds like it!

You certainly read into my post things that are not there.

Off the subject tread, yes, it is true that scripture clearly states Mary & Joseph had other children after the virgin birth of Jesus.

I believe you will find even the most knowledgeable Greek Lexicons will agree with that truth.

Does not this subject go back to the asceticism of early Christianity that sexual intercourse was sinful?

I hardly care if you believe one way or the other, I only believe what the Scripture tells us.
---leej on 12/17/10


And Calvin was definitely one of those whom God called into the ministry of teachings. His works will remain as long as the church is still on earth simply because everything he believed in has the full backing of scripture. Some however, will not take the time to study to determine that.

---leej on 12/17/10

If Calvin was call by God to the ministry of teaching, then how is it that you do believe Jesus had brothers. Calvin taught using scripture alone he did not!
---Ruben on 12/17/10


\\James ... So you are joining those who misquote others here? Was it deliberate?
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---alan8566_of_uk on 12/17/10


Alan, I did not MISquote Kathr. I copied and pasted her post, which is EXACTLY quoting her. Had she said "If Jesus were HERE today..." I would not have any problem with her words. Had she said "If Jesus were preaching today..." I would not have any issue at all.

But she didn't. Also, when I quoted her, I trailed off the quote with dot dot dot, so that anyone else who might have seen it would know that i did not include the entire quote, and could go see her words for themselves. I have also noticed that she has not offered any clarification, so on that basis, my inquiry seems valid
---James_L on 12/17/10


markv you all say you all were the good clay from before the foundation of the world..that God was only working in YOU to will and do bringing Him Glory..

How then do you explain Calvin and all his murders. Did God REALLY purpose in Calvin to murder people, to abuse those in Geneva who disagreed with him?

God REALLY purposed in Calvin to murder anabaptists over the doctrine of baptism? THAT you say brought God glory?

Be careful what YOU say brings God Glory.
---kathr4453 on 12/17/10


By standing on the Word of God. What standing means is BELIEVING the scriptures, you are the righteousness of God through Chris Jesus. You are more than a conqueror through Him who loves you. He always causes us to triumph through Christ Jesus. BELIEVE BELIEVE BELIEVE the word of God, repeat them over your life, say them out loud and they will eventually become Spirit and Life to you and you will come out victoriously in Christ Jesus.
---Donna5535 on 12/17/10




His works will remain as long as the church is still on earth simply because everything he believed in has the full backing of scripture. Some however, will not take the time to study to determine that.

---leej on 12/17/10

Do you believe that Mary had no other Children? It sure sounds like it!
---Ruben on 12/17/10


Kathr now says,

"Now you say God's for-ordained predestined people might not have been saved at all without our leaned men who carried the Gospel to the LOST world."

The reason God ordained these people was in order that His purposes from the foundation of the world would be met."
What He ordain will come to pass for it is written already. If your name is not found in the book of life written from the foundation of the world, you will not be added as you supposed in the future. And every time you speak against the Sovereign right of God to be Ruler of all things, just remember,

"For I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them" Ezek. 11:5.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/10


//leej, why end a good comment with an insult?

There are many on this forum that truly think they know all the right doctrines and scorn the teachers the Lord has given His church.

While we can agree there are many teachers who are self- appointed, there are many that do have the proper credentials. And Calvin was definitely one of those whom God called into the ministry of teachings. His works will remain as long as the church is still on earth simply because everything he believed in has the full backing of scripture. Some however, will not take the time to study to determine that.

But I do wish you peace and that you may grow more so in Christ and His word.
---leej on 12/17/10


James ... So you are joining those who misquote others here? Was it deliberate?

Kathr did not say "If Jesus were alive today ... "

She said "If Jesus were alive today preaching, ..."

There is a big difference.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/17/10


\\If Jesus were alive today...\\
---kathr4453 on 12/16/10


Hmmm. You told me once that you thought you knew where we disagree, but now I know for sure where we disagree.

Nicole C Mullen sings a song in which one line of the chorus declares "I know my Redeemer lives"

I also know my Redeemer lives, but you seem uncertain
---James_L on 12/17/10




The very reason why there are tribulations surrounding the Christian is to test the very faith that God has given to him. Make no mistake, all Christians will be tested by God because He glories in the very faith He gives to His people that they will never curse Him when tribulations comes.

But when a Christian sin against God, He will chastise him because He loves him and to show him how vile sins are before Him. Scripture tells us -

"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?" Hebrews 12:6,7
---christan on 12/16/10


Kathr said,

"
Learn what Markv, that we are not the elect."


If you are saved already you should know by now you were one of the elect. For the Spirit reveals to us how we were saved and it was not through our free will as you suggest but because "God who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He love us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ"
But since you don't know this truths God has not seen to reveal it to you.
God used man all through history not only to bring us the Cannon of Scripture, but God through the Holy Spirit moved man to not only translate the Word but preserve it, even through the dark ages.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/10


Paul said the ONLY credentials he had: I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. Let no man trouble me!

Those marks are the marks of the Cross. Visable or invisable.

If Jesus were alive today preaching, he would sell NO BOOKS, and He couldn't even get elected as Dog Catcher.

Popularity is a warning!
---kathr4453 on 12/16/10


We live in the time-frame of storms. Follow the path-His Word-stand on the Rock.The process of receiving-can be stormy-the enemy will make sure of it. Seek the Counsel of God-your Father. He provided His Word-His Son-Jesus Christ-to follow.Father teaches by His Spirit (Holy Spirit) what to stand on. We Follow His Will-not ours.
By faith-In faith-we praise Him for His mercy and Grace-(we miss the mark at times)In the mean time...
Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report, if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


---char on 12/16/10


Paul even said although you have 10,000 teachers, be ye followers of me the way I am of Christ.

Even in Paul's day there were self appointed teachers.

Paul clearly said we TEACH by the way we live, act and endure suffering. We are examples of disciples, those who are truly saved and FOLLOW Christ.

We work our our salvation daily on the battlefield of LIFE!

We are not rewarded by what we know, but being obedient to what we know is true, regardless of how little one's knowledge may be.

As we OBEY we are tested again and through testing alone the knowledge of Christ is revealed to us.



The widow's mite is teaching more than just a monetary sacrifice! I bet you never read that in any commentary!
---kathr4453 on 12/16/10


Perhaps you are one that is unteachable? Lazy?
---leej on 12/15/10

leej, why end a good comment with an insult?

Lazy people READ and sit on their duff all day, believing head knowledge is bearing FRUIT.

Jesus said ABIDE IN ME and I in you and you will bear FRUIT, the Fruit of the Spirit. Spiritual fruit is teh evidence we are NOT LAZY but have in fact been crucified with Christ as we WORK OUT our own salvation with fear and trembling.

I've never trembled reading a commentary.

However I do tremble when I step out on faith OBEYING GOD'S WORD, not Calvins!

Love is a sign you are IN CHRIST. Love is described in 1st Cor 13!
---kathr4453 on 12/16/10


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Do not look at the storm as Peter did and did sink, but keep your eyes focused on Jesus who is The Almighty and is greater than all storms.
---Eloy on 12/15/10


//Any tom dick or Harry can write a commentary, have it published for peanuts on Amazon.

yes, anyone can produce a commentary on health foods, diets, on the Bible or on any subject, but will they be recognized as authoritative?

It is much the same with Bible commentaries, those who have no recognizable credentials will not be recognized as authoritative.

Not everyone who would teach or write commentaries has been called of God. We can easily see that in those who promote false doctrines.

Sorry to inform you but scripture is very clear that the Lord has given to His church teachers so that we can learn what God has to teach us as not everything is plain.

Perhaps you are one that is unteachable? Lazy?
---leej on 12/15/10


"THEY did not add anyone's [else] writings....to scripture." (Kathr)

They did at first. The canonization of Scriptures was a long and debatable issue. Writings such as The Didache, The Shepherd of Hermas, 1 Clement, Epistle of Barnabas, etc, were indeed consider Scriptures by many in the Early Church, and was not officially denied the status as Scriptures (although highly praised they were) until well over the fourth century.

On the other hand, those men who compiled Scriptures RECOGNIZED that the written Scriptures were simply part of Holy Tradition and not a totality of it, as most Protestants believes. They firmly accepted the Oral Apostolic Traditions kept in the Church as the word of God.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 12/15/10


Without those man the gospel Truth would have vanished. As I can see here on line, so many don't even know what they are talking about. If they just listen, open their hearts for the Truth, they might learn something.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/10

Learn what Markv, that we are not the elect.

Now you say God's for-ordained predestined people might not have been saved at all without our leaned men who carried the Gospel to the LOST world.

There ya go...Faith comes by hearing, not by election.

Election need no Gospel for God to Save remember...you guys are already saved from before the foundation of the world!
---kathr4453 on 12/15/10


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//God did not write the Bible, He inspired writers to do so//
Absolutely agree,
God gives us a perfect complete book and Paul says when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ.
Paul was very inspired,some of the people today, doubtful
// If they just listen, open their hearts for the Truth, they might learn something.//
Who should we listen to, God's writers(as Lydia did in Acts 16) or a wanna be commontator?
---michael_e on 12/15/10


michael_e, I'm with you. That's why the Bible is called THE WORD OF GOD!!!


Also the Word of God is complete from Genesis to Revelation. There are no NEW Additions from first century writers that were added to the Holy Scriptures.

And men after the first century compiled scripture even THEY did not add anyone's writings from the first century on to scripture.

The Holy Spirit is given to US to teach us God's word, and to bring us into all truth.
---kathr4453 on 12/15/10


"The early church had no commentaries. " (Kathr)

Who do you think told the the 1st century Jews and Christians how Christ's birth, life, death, resurrection, and ascension fulfilled the Messianic Passages in the Old Testament (which have to be highly spiritized) except the Holy Apostles, and the Presbyters/Bishops? All the NT texts are commentaries.

And what about the commentaries and homilies of numerous Early Christians Writers, such as Saint Polycarp and Saint John Chrysostom?

The Early Church had commentaries in numerous forms (the Divine Liturgy, written works of the Fathers, the preaching of the Presbyters/Bishops/Deacons, Icons, etc).

And what are you but a walking commentary?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 12/14/10


Michael, you said,

"Amazing, God writes a whole book, then He has to call teachers to teach you what He wrote."
God did not write the Bible, He inspired writers to do so. Just like He inspires great man through history to teach the gospel of Christ correctly. He taught the remnant through history what to write down so that we could have the gospel today. God made sure we would have it now. Without those man the gospel Truth would have vanished. As I can see here on line, so many don't even know what they are talking about. If they just listen, open their hearts for the Truth, they might learn something.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/10


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Any tom dick or harry can write a commentary, have it published for peanuts on Amazon. Check it out yourself.

What is a commentary anyway. Someone commenting on their opinion of what they think a verse means. The early church had no commentaries. And they got along just fine without them. Better than we are today.

leej, you have a strange understanding of spiritual gifts. you think who ever makes the most money selling books is a big shot in the Body. WRONG!!So very wrong!

You measure someone by the number or popularity of a book sale?

I wonder how many Book of Mormon has sold?
---kathr4453 on 12/14/10


michael_e//Amazing, God writes a whole book, then He has to call teachers to teach you what He wrote.

While I can agree with Luther that "all things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear to all, yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation, are so clearly propounded, and opened in some place of scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them." Westminster Confessions I,7.

However for those things not alike plain in themselves is one good reason the Lord gave teachers to His church. 1 Cor. 12:28,29, Eph. 4:11, Hebr, 5:12, James 3,1
---leej on 12/14/10


//francis, never forgat all Leej throws at you concerning teh sabbath came out of chafer chapter.

My earliest upbringing was from an SDA family. Most of what I learned about Adventism came from Advenists themselves. As for as the critiques, I have at least a dozen books on Adventism written mostly by former Adventists including Proclamation Magazine.

Chafer focuses on ONLY one trait concerning Adventism and that is basically their legalism in rejecting God's free grace preferring obedience to selected OT laws instead.
---leej on 12/14/10


The Prosperity of America came out of CAlvinism/Puritan theology that America is BLESSED with Prosperity if they obey the commands given only to Israel.

There are many different kind of prosperity teaching. One thing they all have in common, "Name it Claim it". Even if it wasn't meant for you,

2 Chronicles 7:14 was not meant for America. But for Israel's prosperity of THEY obeyed.
---kathr4453 on 12/14/10


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//Those who wrote the commentaries are the teachers God has called for that purpose//

Amazing, God writes a whole book, then He has to call teachers to teach you what He wrote.
---michael_e on 12/14/10


I guess I need to apologize as I have been treating you as being still in diapers when it comes to these kinds of matters. I suppose I got that opinion when you tried to identify Calvin with prosperity teachings.leej"

leej, it's obvious you've gone from diapers to bog boy pants now to DEPENDS!

Depends means it depends on who your reading now.


francis, never forgat all Leej throws at you concerning teh sabbath came out of chafer chapter.

Many not SDA are sabbath saturday keepers. I believe many calvinist, baptist calvinists are/ were .
---kathr4453 on 12/14/10


Faith is when everything around you is going bad real bad, but you believe that God will make a way. Faith is believing what you can't see.
Call things that are not as though they were. Romans:4-17. Faith is trusting in God to bring you through no matter what it looks or feels like.Hewbrews:11:6-11. Faith is trusting God with all your heart.
---Bee on 12/14/10


//As for commentaries, I wonder who writes them, maybe anybody that wants to?

Surprised that you are unable to see the answer.

1Co 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.

Those who wrote the commentaries are the teachers God has called for that purpose.
---leej on 12/14/10


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The only "theologians" are mentioned in the Bible, Paul, Peter, John etc. As for commentaries, I wonder who writes them, maybe anybody that wants to? I see J. Swaggart has one out now.
Maybe we should study the Bible rightly divided, like the Word says.
---michael_e on 12/14/10


Adetunji, very wise words you gave concerning faith. Faith and dependence upon Christ for our lives. Here is what I understand about those who don't have that faith and are depending upon their own works, The ultimate form of idolatry is humanism, which regards man as the measure of all things. Man is the primary concern, the central focus, the dominant motif of all forms of humanism. Its influence is so strong and pervasive that it seeks to infiltrate Christian theology at every point. Only by a rigorous attention and devotion to the Biblical doctrine of God will we be able to keep from tasting and even swallowing that ultimate form of idolatry.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/10


//the Bible is where I believe this or that. Is that a problem?

Not at all, it simply is one of interpretation and there are several different schools of thoughts on these issue with their proponents and critics.

//I've been saved for over 30.

I guess I need to apologize as I have been treating you as being still in diapers when it comes to these kinds of matters. I suppose I got that opinion when you tried to identify Calvin with prosperity teachings.

Glad you agree with me on Chafer's book. Like many other authors, he has written some good ones and some that are not so good. That is clear from the sales of each.
---leej on 12/13/10


michael_e //plus the apostle paul

Ridiculous and unfounded comment!

All you need to do to convince anyone of what you say, is simply to tell us the name of at least one theologian that believed in dispensationalism prior to the 19th century.

Any commentary, secular or otherwise will state that dispensationalism is a very recent theological thought.

And fortunately, it has less and less adherents today.
---leej on 12/13/10


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Remind yourself that (1) God is still on the throne of mercy, grace & comfort (2) God is not the cause of your problems, it's either you or others (3) If you trust & depend on God, HE is faithful to us (though we are very small cf HIM) & will not allow the challenges to crush you. (4) Follow Jesus still(hold unto HIS words), you will emerge a better person out of those storms.
---Adetunji on 12/13/10


Leej, thank you for your insight on dispensationalism. You are so right. At this moment in time, many here only know very little of what it means. The same with Calvinism. Or any other theology. People here just talk bad without knowing the subject they are talking about.
---Mark_V. on 12/13/10


It sure is hard to answer the questions actually posed by a blog, when every discussion turns into a "free-will" vs "predestination" debate. When someone asks the question that starts a blog, the responses should at least pertain to that question.

I don't believe blogs should be hijacked by those obsessed with certain doctrines. ---?
---Donna66 on 12/11/10

I agree here, even faith was predestines with-out free will according to the Calvinists. EVERYTHING we discuss is hijacked by the no free willers, no matter what subject is discussed here at CN. If one doesn't get Clay balls (Romans 9) hurled at them at every turn, then you get John 6 as the all in all answer to everything.

---kathr4453 on 12/13/10


Yes storms may rise but they come to test your strength and faith in God. In the very center of a storm there is an eye which is very calm and there is no activity going on. Find your eye of the storm and find your peace. Jesus is in the middle of the storm. Reach for him like never before. He said if you keep your mind on him he will keep you in perfect peace. You have to know that you know that everything is going to be alright and it is working out for your good whether you lose somethings or not. We must learn to be content in all things.
---brianna on 12/13/10


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//You should recognize that fact that dispensationism is really a late theological thought created by Darby, Scofield and a few others early in the 20th century//

plus the apostle paul
---michael_e on 12/12/10


leej, would you stop using terms like 'YOUR PROBLEM IS'

I have stated before leej, the Bible is where I believe this or that. Is that a problem?

I've been saved for over 30
years leej, grounded and settled in my faith. Only this past week did I look on line and pull up your recomendation. So how then in two weeks can I have a problem with anything.

I agree with the man. He has written more than GRACE.

premillennien, means he believes in the rapture, and the 1000 year kingdom reign. SO DO I.

I don't care leej if you have a problem with that. I have not been tossed here and there by everything I read.

You have.

Please don't address me again!
---kathr4453 on 12/12/10


//Your problem is that you are hooked on a particular theology that while it may have some backing in scripture, also has it critics who have pointed out the weakness of...//

i am definitely no proponent of dispensationalism, but that is the most ironic statement that I have read on Cnet.
---aka on 12/12/10


leej-- That true, dispensationalism is a much less popular belief than formerly.
But we have gone way off topic for this blog. Why don't we let those who want to discuss Calvinism start their own blogs?
---Donna66 on 12/12/10


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Kathr4453- Chafer's book Grace, the Glorious Theme is not not not a promotion of dispensationism.

Your problem is that you are hooked on a particular theology that while it may have some backing in scripture, also has it critics who have pointed out the weakness of dispensationism.

You should recognize that fact that dispensationism is really a late theological thought created by Darby, Scofield and a few others early in the 20th century. Most of their theories have no roots in any previous theological thought.

If you were up to date, you would recognize that dispensationism is falling by the way side - not even taught in most seminaries today, as there are far too many criticisms of its foundational beliefs.
---leej on 12/12/10


ONE thing that helps me, is to remember that ALL STORMS PASS... and so shall those that you face. Continue to hold fast to the faith you have.

keep your eyes on Jesus and
remember what He said he CAME TO DO.
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised
---Donna66 on 12/12/10


How do I move out on faith when there are storms all around me?

I suggest you find a Godly person you respect, and ask him/her to keep you accountable to what you feel God wants you do you. That person should ask questions, such as, "Where is God in your life, and what can you do to make it different if it needs to be different? What area of your life do you feel God needs to work in? What do you think God wants you to do this next week and will you do it?" These are sample questions to help find areas to trust God in.
Finally, the person should be able to hold you accountable for what you said you wanted to do.
---Rod4Him on 12/12/10


//Lewis Sperry Chafer is widely recognized as one of the founders of modern Dispensationalism and was vehemently opposed to covenant theology, or Calvinism.

I study all major theologies and in contrast to you, recognize the strengths and weaknesses of any author's views.

And that is where our main differences lies. While you got hooked on a particular theology and have chosen to bash others, I can easily see that both Calvinism and Dispensationism can be defended by Scripture, howbeit the latter is inadequate.

Howbeit, dispensationism is a theology that has fallen on bad times being replaced by Reform theology.

Lewis Chafer is long dead and was the president once of Dallas Theology Seminary.
---leej on 12/11/10


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It sure is hard to answer the questions actually posed by a blog, when every discussion turns into a "free-will" vs "predestination" debate. When someone asks the question that starts a blog, the responses should at least pertain to that question.

I don't believe blogs should be hijacked by those obsessed with certain doctrines. It actually seems somewhat rude to do so. If there is something YOU wish to discuss, why not start a new blog?
---Donna66 on 12/11/10


leej, Chafer properly places Romans 9 with Israel, concluding Romans 11 God's fulfilling of Israel.

You see, after Paul teaches Rom 1-8 he goes back to answer a question. What about Israel, What about all those promises to Israel. Those everlasting eternal promises to Israel the NATION. If God can renig on those, how can we be sure of our promises?

You see Chafer states God never reniged at all, but WILL fulfill His promises to them, That the Church is altogether something new, and not a fulfillment given to Israel which they lost. They didn't lose the promises to the NATION, concerning the Land and His coming again as KING...Zechariah 12-14
---kathr4453 on 12/11/10


leej, I looked this up and I agree with scripture the clay is the house of Israel. And verse 7 says it is the Nation. This was spoken to Israel.

Jeremiah 18:5-7
5Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,

6O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.

7At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it,

leej you need to do more studying.
---Laura on 12/11/10


So LeeJ, You recommended to me I read Grace by Lewis Chafer a couple months ago. I believe at that time as well as now you were berating me on my lack of knowledge over Grace. I LOVE Chafer LeeJ, THANK you so much for recommending him. I find NOTHING I can disagree with, but what about you? He's not Reformed Calvin.
He opposes everything you believe.

Lewis Sperry Chafer is widely recognized as one of the founders of modern Dispensationalism and was vehemently opposed to covenant theology, or Calvinism.

Strictly speaking, he was a premillennial, pretribulational dispensationalist.

So Francis, before you take any more beatings from LeeJ, just know, he's confused himself.
---kathr4453 on 12/11/10


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Kathryn //And before my salvation, I was not molded into anything, I was one who inherited original sin. All molding of disobedience was my own making.

I appears to me that you are really not a serious student of the Bible as you have deliberately chosen to ignore what is plainly stated in Romans 9:2 that God is a sovereign God and can do with His creation whatever He has chosen to do.

You apparently believe that you are in command of your own salvation and sanctification but such is the case with those who are not well rounded in their education.

It is doubtful if you can really make any meaningful contributions to the subjects presented in this forum. Most of what you post is pure foolishness.
---leej on 12/11/10


Romans 9: 19-24 after explaining that Pharaoh was raised for God's purpose,
"That I may show My power in you, and that My name maybe be declared in all the earth"
Paul knew many like Kathr would disprove of what he was saying so he added,
"You will say to me then, "why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" and he answers, "But indeed, O Man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to Him who formed it, "why have you made me like this?" He knew people like Kathr would not agree with why God raised Pharaoh. She wants Pharaoh to have free will, so she can be free of God. But God is the Potter and she is but clay just like we all are.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/10


leej, I get the impression you were never part of original sin? Otherwise aren't YOU also defiled clay?

But you say in your gospel, that you were never bad clay to begin with, in otherwords a whole human race of good clay that was never defiled, or you're a nation( so do you qualify for a group plan of insurance all by yourself) molded out of clay to bring Glory to God on this earth. You see, even Israel inherited original sin, and out of sinners God CREATED/Formed a Nation to bring Him Glory. That still did not ensure any of their individual salvation, as we see it did not!
---kathr4453 on 12/11/10


Romans 9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this?

Sorry but NONE of the commentaries will agree with you.
---leej on 12/10/10


Sorry leej, but I'm not clay being molded. I am being transformed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord.

And before my salvation, I was not molded into anything, I was one who inherited original sin. All molding of disobedience was my own making.

All TRANSFORMING is now of God's making.

But if I was molded to disobedience, I have been REMOLDED in Christ!!!
---kathr4453 on 12/10/10


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I thought Jesus was the answer, not a cause for more questions or doubtful disputation. If the above question confused you, then the author is not God.
---Linda on 12/8/10

Linda, the ONLY question one should be asking if their faith is genuine is this.

DOES YOUR FAITH HAVE WORKS?

James asked this question? Peter asked, check to make sure you are in the faith, but has nothing to do with Questioning where your faith came from!
---kathr4453 on 12/10/10


kathryn//Also since you love to read, You may want to read GRACE by Louis Sperry Chafer.

I have that book. In fact, I had 2 of them so sent one to my SDA sister-in-law. Exactly what in it do you want me to read?

As to the Potter & the clay, the clay is clearly NOT Israel in these verses but man. Read the previous verse.

Romans 9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this?

Sorry but NONE of the commentaries will agree with you.
---leej on 12/10/10


Psalm 121

I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.

He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.

Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.

The LORD is thy keeper: the LORD is thy shade upon thy right hand.

The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.

The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.

The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore
---JackB on 12/10/10


Mike, I believe you lost the words of Cluny for your response was not a good one and had some ill effect to it. He did say,
"Do what you can do, don't worry about what you can't, and leave the outcome in God's hands.
---Cluny on 12/4/10"

So he answered the question you put to him. "Do what you can do". He is already stating that in the case you are without work, "do what you can do" that means he is not going to seat back and do nothing as you suggest. What He was referring to is that we can only do so much, and what we cannot do, place your trust in God for only He can do what we cannot do.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/10


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Christian, you are correct. The saving faith that God talk's about comes from God as a gift through regeneration. Just like repentance does. They are granted by the Father and given to those who will believe by faith. Any other faith is a false faith. The Christians in Achaia had "Believed through grace" Acts 18:27. A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, He believe in Christ because he is saved. Even the beginning of faith, the desposition to seek salvation, is itself a work of grace and the gift of God.

The Arminian view takes election out of the hands of God and puts it in the hands of man. This make the purposes of Almighty God to be conditioned by the precarious wills of sinful apostate men.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/10


Yes a storm is coming..the Wrath of God.

Luke 3:6-8
7Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Repentance is turning to Christ. We are to warn even today of Gods wrath to come, calling all to repentance, so they too can flee Gods wrath to come.
---kathr4453 on 12/9/10


//First and foremost, you must ask yourself -is the faith you claim to have is manufactured from within yourself or is it from without, ie. 100% from God Almighty?//

I thought Jesus was the answer, not a cause for more questions or doubtful disputation. If the above question confused you, then the author is not God.
---Linda on 12/8/10


Do what you can do, don't worry about what you can't, and leave the outcome in God's hands.
---Cluny on 12/4/10


so does that mean you just sit down & wait? so what do those 100s of thousands who lost their jobs, sit down & wait? give their 10%? humble & repent? that's one way of missing opportunities
---mike on 12/8/10


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First and foremost, you must ask yourself - is the faith you claim to have is manufactured from within yourself or is it from without, ie. 100% from God Almighty?

True faith is a property of God and He chooses as He please to reward a sinner before the foundations of the world, ie. from eternity. It is unconditional, simply for God to only say that He loves the sinner.

True faith comes with repentance to God, knowledge, conviction and trust in Jesus Christ.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9

Amen.
---christan on 12/6/10


A good sailor avoids as many storms as possible...he doesn't try to cover the entire sea at once.
Choose what storms you MUST navigate and ignore the rest. Always keep one eye on the compass (or GPS)---that's God's Word, Keep going, even if you must slow down or speed up. Faith is knowing that land is just out of sight.

If you are a Christian, you know WHO controls every wind and sea.There may not be another ship in sight, but you are not out there alone. Do your best and let God take care of the rest.
---Donna66 on 12/5/10


It is through our times of trouble, that causes one's faith in God to grow.
The One who comes to know the Grace of God today, will not have the same faith, as one who has walked in the Lord's Grace for many years.
Why?

It is through God dealing with the Storms of our Past, that we learn to Trust him in the Storms we may face in the future.
That Trust is called Faith,and it is by Grace through Faith, that we will be saved.

(James 1:2-3)
Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.
---David on 12/5/10


Whenever storms come in your life, just remember that you know the Master of the wind and the Maker of the waves.God never promised us smooth sailing through the seas of life, just a safe landing on the other side.
---tommy3007 on 12/4/10


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BTW--it depends on what you're trying to do and where you must go.

Sometimes if the storm is bad, the sensible thing is to stay put and dry.
---Cluny on 12/4/10


Remembering what faith is about helps to exercise faith when the storms of life rage around us. Hebrews 11:1 Faith is the substance of the things hoped for, (my comment)faith when we pray forms the reality picture of what we are praying to receive,it takes form within our hearts,is given life,from our prayers. Faith is the evidence of things not seen,(my comments) by praying we produce the evidence of what is not seen for it takes shape within us and our prayers are the symbol of its existance. Faith is belief without doubt,hope without wavering,knowing without searching,standing firm when all areas say no and believing God for a yes.
---Darlene_1 on 12/4/10


Think of an ancient fisherman who in a terrible storm saw what God's power could do as his master tread upon the water...No one told him he should expect to do that but he initiated the request. he was told to come.

Apart from the power of God there is no reasonable way of thinking this is possible, but it is as Jesus said "with God all things are possible." Walking by faith at times requires stubbornly setting out to do that which you see no way to finish. Don't let fear overtake you, but if it does cry out to the Lord to save you. He will.
---Pharisee on 12/4/10


Real Disciples' version of the Serenity Prayer
by Reinhold Niebuhr (1892-1971)

God, give us grace to accept with serenity
the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things
which should be changed,
and the Wisdom to distinguish
the one from the other.

Living one day at a time,
Enjoying one moment at a time,
Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace,
Taking, as Jesus did,
This sinful world as it is,
Not as I would have it,
Trusting that You will make all things right,
If I surrender to Your will,
So that I may be reasonably happy in this life,
And supremely happy with You forever in the next.

Amen.
---aka on 12/4/10


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-- MD7675 :

Brethren, "The wise man in the storm prays to God, not for safety from danger, but deliverance from fear !!!" ~ R.W.Emerson
---Shawn.M.T on 12/3/10


One step at a time with your focus on Christ who will meet all your needs and even pick you up when you fall.
---leej on 12/4/10


Do what you can do, don't worry about what you can't, and leave the outcome in God's hands.
---Cluny on 12/4/10


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